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On January 29 2025 22:35 Uldridge wrote: Remind me again how much of that border he secured in his first term? And give me a good faith, COVID excluded, answer, if you can manage that.
A lot? Even Biden did a lot to help secure the border after letting it fester out of control for 2 years. Anyone outside of partisan hacks acknowledge that Biden could have and eventually did do a lot more to secure the border. Here's Jon Stewart saying it with Bernie Sanders agreeing with him:
relevant portion from 22:25 to 23:43 in the video
I'm pretty sure Uldridge was talking about Trump, not Biden. Trump put up a negligible amount of border wall/fence. The video clip you posted was about Biden's administration waffling back and forth about their own border security scenarios, not about Trump or Project 2025.
He calculated exactly right. He secured just enough of the border for us to call him racist, but not enough for us to admit he helped the problem. He put just enough so we can say see walls don't work, but not enough that we can't still criticize him for not fulfilling his promise to build a wall. Which was racist. Absolute 5d political genius to expose the fact that Democrats believe nothing.
On January 30 2025 03:28 BlackJack wrote: How is "a lot" not a straight answer lol. Trump did far more than Biden, such as his remain in Mexico policy which Biden scrapped as soon as he got to the White House. I offered the Biden example because I thought it would be an easier pill to swallow for anyone under the illusion that Biden's handling of the border in 2021-2023 is basically a wash with Trump's handling of the border simply because some people got in during both periods. If you have 5x more illegal crossings it's fairly reasonable to say that the border is "a lot less secure."
"A lot" is certainly an answer, but you gave zero examples or elaboration, and then you changed the topic to Biden. There wasn't anything to examine with just a two-word response like "A lot" and nothing else. This new post of yours, where you mention the Remain In Mexico policy, is certainly something that could be discussed, for those who wish to do so. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remain_in_Mexico )
The first piece of legislation Trump is signing is a bipartisan anti-immigrant bill helping to lay fascist foundations by taking away people's rights to due process.
In response to President Trump signing the Laken Riley Act, Amy Fischer, Director of the Refugee and Migrant Rights Program at Amnesty International USA, made the following statement:
“The Laken Riley Act capitalizes on a horrible tragedy in order to advance President Trump’s anti-immigrant agenda by scapegoating people seeking safety and stripping away their right to due process.
“This legislation mandates the arrest and detention of our undocumented neighbors for being convicted or charged of any theft, shoplifting, burglary, or larceny offense. Mandatory detention solely for being accused of theft strips people of their right to due process and constitutes arbitrary detention under international human rights law.
“The Laken Riley Act is based upon false, xenophobic narratives that dehumanize and criminalize an entire group of people due to the actions of one person. It will separate families and make our communities less safe. It is simply unconscionable for Congress to create a new mechanism that gives people the power to falsely accuse immigrants of theft knowing their detention is mandatory...."
On January 29 2025 22:35 Uldridge wrote: Remind me again how much of that border he secured in his first term? And give me a good faith, COVID excluded, answer, if you can manage that.
A lot? Even Biden did a lot to help secure the border after letting it fester out of control for 2 years. Anyone outside of partisan hacks acknowledge that Biden could have and eventually did do a lot more to secure the border. Here's Jon Stewart saying it with Bernie Sanders agreeing with him:
I'm pretty sure Uldridge was talking about Trump, not Biden. Trump put up a negligible amount of border wall/fence. The video clip you posted was about Biden's administration waffling back and forth about their own border security scenarios, not about Trump or Project 2025.
He calculated exactly right. He secured just enough of the border for us to call him racist, but not enough for us to admit he helped the problem. He put just enough so we can say see walls don't work, but not enough that we can't still criticize him for not fulfilling his promise to build a wall. Which was racist. Absolute 5d political genius to expose the fact that Democrats believe nothing.
You think his broken promise to build a border wall is the only reason why Trump is racist? Here is an enormous running tally of his history of racism - both before and during his presidency - with nearly five hundred references: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump
On January 29 2025 22:35 Uldridge wrote: Remind me again how much of that border he secured in his first term? And give me a good faith, COVID excluded, answer, if you can manage that.
A lot? Even Biden did a lot to help secure the border after letting it fester out of control for 2 years. Anyone outside of partisan hacks acknowledge that Biden could have and eventually did do a lot more to secure the border. Here's Jon Stewart saying it with Bernie Sanders agreeing with him:
I'm pretty sure Uldridge was talking about Trump, not Biden. Trump put up a negligible amount of border wall/fence. The video clip you posted was about Biden's administration waffling back and forth about their own border security scenarios, not about Trump or Project 2025.
He calculated exactly right. He secured just enough of the border for us to call him racist, but not enough for us to admit he helped the problem. He put just enough so we can say see walls don't work, but not enough that we can't still criticize him for not fulfilling his promise to build a wall. Which was racist. Absolute 5d political genius to expose the fact that Democrats believe nothing.
You think his broken promise to build a border wall is the only reason why Trump is racist? Here is an enormous running tally of his history of racism - both before and during his presidency - with nearly five hundred references: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump
Sure, but if you set those to one side you’ve got nothing but TDS.
On January 25 2025 01:18 GreenHorizons wrote: About that sig quote...
Look guys, it is going to be at least a year before you are even thinking about falling in line behind Democrats (besides spending the next year or so making excuses for their impotence/incompetence). What harm would there be in redirecting a fraction of the time you'll spend arguing the most inane things you can with BJ, oBlade, posters like that, to sincerely exploring whether revolutionary socialism might offer something better than lib/Dem politics? At least while you wait to find out who you'll be voting for almost 2 years from now.
I don't expect everyone that gives revolutionary socialism a try to become one, but I'm confident that anyone here that refuses to try while perpetually engaging in bad faith distractions with the BJs and oBlades simply isn't serious about wanting to stop the rise of fascism in the US.
You all tried the Democrat strategy. They have nothing for you to do until it's voting time again. Just TRY revolutionary socialism (I'd settle for socialism generally at this point) on for a bit. You have nothing to lose but your chains.
I know this was a little while ago but I'm still thinking about this post.
What I don't really understand is what "try socialism" means. When you append "revolutionary" it makes more sense, you know, overthrowing the bad people in politics and all that. Been discussed in the thread already.
How does an average person "try socialism" though? Moving to a country with more socialist policies in place? Otherwise I don't see how a rando has any power to decide what system they're under, at least not without the "revolutionary" part.
And if it's just about proselytising, I don't know what precludes trying to make the most of the current system while doing so. Like all the accelerationist stuff is surely the "revolutionary" part, a way of helping that happen.
This is an excellent question (post) btw. I would have actually liked to see how USA tried that with Harris. Get paid 4-5k/month, pay over 50% taxes (and payments comparable to taxes).
"You have nothing to lose but your chains." from GreenHorizons is not really accurate, there is way more to lose lol... For instance how would you like to pay electricity tax (at best as much per kWh as you pay for the electricity), and THEN you pay VAT from that too... ^_^
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On January 30 2025 04:38 GreenHorizons wrote: The first piece of legislation Trump is signing is a bipartisan anti-immigrant bill helping to lay fascist foundations by taking away people's rights to due process.
In response to President Trump signing the Laken Riley Act, Amy Fischer, Director of the Refugee and Migrant Rights Program at Amnesty International USA, made the following statement:
“The Laken Riley Act capitalizes on a horrible tragedy in order to advance President Trump’s anti-immigrant agenda by scapegoating people seeking safety and stripping away their right to due process.
“This legislation mandates the arrest and detention of our undocumented neighbors for being convicted or charged of any theft, shoplifting, burglary, or larceny offense. Mandatory detention solely for being accused of theft strips people of their right to due process and constitutes arbitrary detention under international human rights law.
“The Laken Riley Act is based upon false, xenophobic narratives that dehumanize and criminalize an entire group of people due to the actions of one person. It will separate families and make our communities less safe. It is simply unconscionable for Congress to create a new mechanism that gives people the power to falsely accuse immigrants of theft knowing their detention is mandatory...."
The smirk says it all. He knows what he's doing and he did it because he knew it would be well received. The cheers from the crowd, all clearly knowing the context, indicate we are already at the point where this will spread like wildfire. I expect we'll see some of the more fringe politicians and influencers doing the same. At the very least we will start seeing people ending their tweets with "my heart goes out to you" as a "safe" way to convey a Nazi salute.
These people don't care if leftists think they are nazis. They can use that.
What they don't want people talking about is how deeply unserious they are considering their positions of serious responsibility and power over people's lives.
On January 30 2025 09:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think it is more like people nowadays don't think what they are saying.
I mean, sure you can say for instance Trump or Musk is a piece of garbage, but comparing them to Hitler, come on?
Was hitler, hitler, before he was hitler?
Yeah.
Do you (or anyone) genuinely think, that Trump and/or Musk would go for what Hitler did? Are they arguing such things? Sure i know all that shit about Greenland, but for real...
Do you actually believe that or do you want to have a punching weapon towards those people who support them (as you do not)?
On January 30 2025 09:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think it is more like people nowadays don't think what they are saying.
I mean, sure you can say for instance Trump or Musk is a piece of garbage, but comparing them to Hitler, come on?
Was hitler, hitler, before he was hitler?
Yeah.
Do you (or anyone) genuinely think, that Trump and/or Musk would go for what Hitler did? Are they arguing such things? Sure i know all that shit about Greenland, but for real...
Do you actually believe that or do you want to have a punching weapon towards those people who support them (as you do not)?
Yes. This is how it starts. Seems like people have learned nothing from history.
edit: Also being like "man why are we comparing Musk to Hitler" when the man is literally throwing nazi salutes at the inauguration is so incredibly stupid.
On January 30 2025 09:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think it is more like people nowadays don't think what they are saying.
I mean, sure you can say for instance Trump or Musk is a piece of garbage, but comparing them to Hitler, come on?
Was hitler, hitler, before he was hitler?
Yeah.
Do you (or anyone) genuinely think, that Trump and/or Musk would go for what Hitler did? Are they arguing such things? Sure i know all that shit about Greenland, but for real...
Do you actually believe that or do you want to have a punching weapon towards those people who support them (as you do not)?
Yes. This is how it starts. Seems like people have learned nothing from history.
edit: Also being like "man why are we comparing Musk to Hitler" when the man is literally throwing nazi salutes at the inauguration is so incredibly stupid.
May i ask you how old are you?
"This is how it starts" is pretty low bar imo. What Russia did since 2008 should have been "this is how it starts", but noone understood shit or had balls to do anything about it, all Europe at least stood dick in their hand when Putin did whatever he wanted to.
I believe Musk did what he did and definitely did know what would happen. But not for a "salute". Take that as you want. I mean is there a single person on earth that doesn't know Musk did a nazi salute?
On January 30 2025 09:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think it is more like people nowadays don't think what they are saying.
I mean, sure you can say for instance Trump or Musk is a piece of garbage, but comparing them to Hitler, come on?
Trump's own vice president, JD Vance, called Trump "America's Hitler". It's not like comparing Trump to Hitler is just some left-wing hyperbole; his own party calls him Hitler and fascist and authoritarian because of his words and actions.
On January 30 2025 09:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think it is more like people nowadays don't think what they are saying.
I mean, sure you can say for instance Trump or Musk is a piece of garbage, but comparing them to Hitler, come on?
Was hitler, hitler, before he was hitler?
Yeah.
Do you (or anyone) genuinely think, that Trump and/or Musk would go for what Hitler did? Are they arguing such things? Sure i know all that shit about Greenland, but for real...
Do you actually believe that or do you want to have a punching weapon towards those people who support them (as you do not)?
Yes. This is how it starts. Seems like people have learned nothing from history.
edit: Also being like "man why are we comparing Musk to Hitler" when the man is literally throwing nazi salutes at the inauguration is so incredibly stupid.
May i ask you how old are you?
"This is how it starts" is pretty low bar imo. What Russia did since 2008 should have been "this is how it starts", but noone understood shit or had balls to do anything about it, all Europe at least stood dick in their hand when Putin did whatever he wanted to.
I believe Musk did what he did and definitely did know what would happen. But not for a "salute". Take that as you want. I mean is there a single person on earth that doesn't know Musk did a nazi salute?
Not really relevant, but 27.
You wont see me defending Putin here. I know just as well that he should've been stopped a long time ago by western countries and Europe specifically. Alas, the world can have room for more than one Hitler.
It doesn't matter whether or not Musk truly believes in it or not. He did the salute nonetheless, and dumbfucks are obfuscating that and some followers are already doing it "ironically". This is how they normalize this stuff to be more socially acceptable.
On January 30 2025 09:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think it is more like people nowadays don't think what they are saying.
I mean, sure you can say for instance Trump or Musk is a piece of garbage, but comparing them to Hitler, come on?
Was hitler, hitler, before he was hitler?
Yeah.
Do you (or anyone) genuinely think, that Trump and/or Musk would go for what Hitler did? Are they arguing such things? Sure i know all that shit about Greenland, but for real...
Do you actually believe that or do you want to have a punching weapon towards those people who support them (as you do not)?
Yes. This is how it starts. Seems like people have learned nothing from history.
edit: Also being like "man why are we comparing Musk to Hitler" when the man is literally throwing nazi salutes at the inauguration is so incredibly stupid.
May i ask you how old are you?
"This is how it starts" is pretty low bar imo. What Russia did since 2008 should have been "this is how it starts", but noone understood shit or had balls to do anything about it, all Europe at least stood dick in their hand when Putin did whatever he wanted to.
I believe Musk did what he did and definitely did know what would happen. But not for a "salute". Take that as you want. I mean is there a single person on earth that doesn't know Musk did a nazi salute?
Not really relevant, but 27.
You wont see me defending Putin here. I know just as well that he should've been stopped a long time ago by western countries and Europe specifically. Alas, the world can have room for more than one Hitler.
It doesn't matter whether or not Musk truly believes in it or not. He did the salute nonetheless, and dumbfucks are obfuscating that and some followers are already doing it "ironically". This is how they normalize this stuff to be more socially acceptable.
I basically don't give a fuck what Trump does to USA. I however know, that in Trump's last term it was the only 4 year period when Putin didn't attack anything.
I don't believe Trump is a good man, I don't believe Musk is a good man, I don't believe Trump stops Ukranian war in one day, that passed already. But if he can do that, Putin's lapdog or not, i will admire him for it.
Calling him Hitler won't probably do any good in any case.
On January 30 2025 09:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think it is more like people nowadays don't think what they are saying.
I mean, sure you can say for instance Trump or Musk is a piece of garbage, but comparing them to Hitler, come on?
Was hitler, hitler, before he was hitler?
Yeah.
Do you (or anyone) genuinely think, that Trump and/or Musk would go for what Hitler did? Are they arguing such things? Sure i know all that shit about Greenland, but for real...
Do you actually believe that or do you want to have a punching weapon towards those people who support them (as you do not)?
Yes. This is how it starts. Seems like people have learned nothing from history.
edit: Also being like "man why are we comparing Musk to Hitler" when the man is literally throwing nazi salutes at the inauguration is so incredibly stupid.
May i ask you how old are you?
"This is how it starts" is pretty low bar imo. What Russia did since 2008 should have been "this is how it starts", but noone understood shit or had balls to do anything about it, all Europe at least stood dick in their hand when Putin did whatever he wanted to.
I believe Musk did what he did and definitely did know what would happen. But not for a "salute". Take that as you want. I mean is there a single person on earth that doesn't know Musk did a nazi salute?
Not really relevant, but 27.
You wont see me defending Putin here. I know just as well that he should've been stopped a long time ago by western countries and Europe specifically. Alas, the world can have room for more than one Hitler.
It doesn't matter whether or not Musk truly believes in it or not. He did the salute nonetheless, and dumbfucks are obfuscating that and some followers are already doing it "ironically". This is how they normalize this stuff to be more socially acceptable.
I basically don't give a fuck what Trump does to USA.
Personally i have the ability to feel empathy. Good for you tho!
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