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Also I wanna say very clearly that this attempt to blame Democrats for being "too woke" or moving "too far left" or whatever is an attempt at destroying the Democrat party. It's a lie. The Democrat party of the 21st century is built on DEI and has succeeded in very large part because of it. If they now start to alienate their voter base because of nonsensical criticism, they'll be making a HUGE mistake. They need to work on sticking the landing, they do NOT need to divert course.
There's only one thing they can improve in terms of direction: they need to learn to appeal to men better, in particular white men. They need to make sure not to alienate them for the sake of inclusion. Men, including white men, must be part of that inclusive process.
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its really funny that Democrats are both to 'woke' and went to far right in the same election depending on who you talk to, and sometimes even when talking to the same person...
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On November 17 2024 01:19 Gorsameth wrote:
its really funny that Democrats are both to 'woke' and went to far right in the same election depending on who you talk to, and sometimes even when talking to the same person...
When I mentioned this a few days ago I was told they tried to do both and did both badly.
It's just getting to the point where I don't trust anyone's criticism of the democrats as a party anymore unless it's backed by clear data. It's just open season right now and is a great distraction from how more than a few thousand people are actually willing to vote for Donald Trump for a public office.
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On November 17 2024 00:42 Magic Powers wrote:
Also I wanna say very clearly that this attempt to blame Democrats for being "too woke" or moving "too far left" or whatever is an attempt at destroying the Democrat party. It's a lie. The Democrat party of the 21st century is built on DEI and has succeeded in very large part because of it. If they now start to alienate their voter base because of nonsensical criticism, they'll be making a HUGE mistake. They need to work on sticking the landing, they do NOT need to divert course.
There's only one thing they can improve in terms of direction: they need to learn to appeal to men better, in particular white men. They need to make sure not to alienate them for the sake of inclusion. Men, including white men, must be part of that inclusive process.
Bolded - if they'll succeed just a little bit more California will go red...
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On November 17 2024 00:31 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2024 00:25 oBlade wrote:On November 16 2024 22:14 Magic Powers wrote:
I can see the argument that racism and sexism won Trump the vote - but that's because his voters support racism and sexism, not because Harris' voters support it. The argument should go the other way around. Biden being replaced by a white man wouldn't have won them the elections because Democrats don't vote based on race and gender. Republicans do. On November 17 2024 00:16 Magic Powers wrote:On November 17 2024 00:13 oBlade wrote:On November 16 2024 23:58 Magic Powers wrote:On November 16 2024 23:54 oBlade wrote:2020-2016 = 16 million. The objectively worst performing demographic on Democrat tickets is not women of color, it's white women. Wonder why women would vote for such a sexist like Blumpf. It's truly appalling how they can somehow value something like the life of an unborn child over the fact that a rich guy had sex with people. Those stupid handmaids should learn what's good for them and vote Democrat like they're supposed to! On November 16 2024 23:43 Magic Powers wrote:On November 16 2024 23:37 oBlade wrote:On November 16 2024 23:22 Magic Powers wrote:On November 16 2024 23:13 oBlade wrote:
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The Republican party had the first black man in Congress, the first woman in Congress, the first woman on the Supreme Court, the first woman White House Chief of Staff will be a woman. Blumpf has in his history considered Oprah, Tim Scott, and Ben Carson for VP. Two of the frontrunners for the ticket in 2016 were Hispanic. As BlackJack noted, Nikki Haley was the Plan B if Blumpf suddenly dematerialized. You didn't mention Hispanics, just black people, but I'll assume that's not because you think racism towards them is excusable.
The Republican party isn't racist, you're just sublimely ignorant and are downing too much BS media or something that you can come here and constantly insult a country you've never lived in like it's just water cooler talk. Tell me you don't know anything about American politics without telling me you don't know anything about American politics. The Republican party today is not the Republican party then. It was Republicans who advanced the black people's agenda and social justice. Joseph Rainey was 1870. Jeannette Rankin was 1917. Sandra Day O'Connor in 1930. At around that time the Republican party and the Democrat party effectively switched their agendas. https://www.livescience.com/34241-democratic-republican-parties-switch-platforms.html Sandra Day O'Connor was BORN in 1930 but thanks for the civics lesson Mr. Smith. "First" does not mean "only." The Republicans have black people and women and Hispanics at every level of government. And have had a longer history of that than their opposition. Despite that the Democrat party is older. Every level of government. Except the vice president and president. Do you know why? Because there's only been about 40 of each since the Democrats started and about 30 of each since the Republicans. And the Democrats have achieved a total of one VP. Wow what an incredible proof that Republicans must be racist and sexist. The Dems managed one single VP. That 99% of their party voted against. And who couldn't win a general election because she lost 7 million votes compared to the white guy in her party. If you want to make a claim of racism and sexism here, which I do not because it's frivolous, however the data only goes in one direction and it's the opposite of the claim you want to make. Best not to poke the sleeping giant of latent Democrat racism because the awakening might be too rude for you. The Democrat party is far more diverse than the Republican party. I posted the infographics of that a while back. Want me to repost it? "Diverse" and "racist" are not antonyms. There is no point to whatever you think you are talking about here. Diverse and racist are antonyms when black people overwhelmingly avoid and hate the Republican party. Well we've gotten somewhere, thanks for at least agreeing they're not sexist since there's no overwhelming avoidance and hate by women. What the fuck? You didn't say anything about sexism, so I didn't respond to that. Women are ALSO avoiding the Republican party as proven by their representation. They're a TINY minority in the party. We just don't know whether that's because women hate Republicans or because Republicans hate women. Fucking outstanding gaslighting failure buddy. Either figure out what you believe, or make an effort to remember what you believe, or at least remember what you pretend to believe. This is getting childish. I can get more insight from an LLM. The sex divide in voting is like 55% Democrat / 45% Republican. Women and people of color can vote for any representation they want. You may be projecting your own racism and sexism that your natural instinct is to vote for someone who looks exactly like you at all costs - Americans don't think that way. It's not a good assumption to make. You're probably the outlier in that case. You didn't talk about sexism in the comment I responded to, you fool. Learn to follow your own argument. Here's a breakdown of Republican/Democrat support by gender. It's very obvious that women do NOT like Republicans. Only old or married women are more in support. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/partisanship-by-gender-sexual-orientation-marital-and-parental-status/
My mistake, 51/44, it's even closer than I thought.
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On November 17 2024 02:05 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2024 00:31 Magic Powers wrote:On November 17 2024 00:25 oBlade wrote:On November 16 2024 22:14 Magic Powers wrote:
I can see the argument that racism and sexism won Trump the vote - but that's because his voters support racism and sexism, not because Harris' voters support it. The argument should go the other way around. Biden being replaced by a white man wouldn't have won them the elections because Democrats don't vote based on race and gender. Republicans do. On November 17 2024 00:16 Magic Powers wrote:On November 17 2024 00:13 oBlade wrote:On November 16 2024 23:58 Magic Powers wrote:On November 16 2024 23:54 oBlade wrote:2020-2016 = 16 million. The objectively worst performing demographic on Democrat tickets is not women of color, it's white women. Wonder why women would vote for such a sexist like Blumpf. It's truly appalling how they can somehow value something like the life of an unborn child over the fact that a rich guy had sex with people. Those stupid handmaids should learn what's good for them and vote Democrat like they're supposed to! On November 16 2024 23:43 Magic Powers wrote:On November 16 2024 23:37 oBlade wrote:On November 16 2024 23:22 Magic Powers wrote:[quote] Tell me you don't know anything about American politics without telling me you don't know anything about American politics. The Republican party today is not the Republican party then. It was Republicans who advanced the black people's agenda and social justice. Joseph Rainey was 1870. Jeannette Rankin was 1917. Sandra Day O'Connor in 1930. At around that time the Republican party and the Democrat party effectively switched their agendas. https://www.livescience.com/34241-democratic-republican-parties-switch-platforms.html Sandra Day O'Connor was BORN in 1930 but thanks for the civics lesson Mr. Smith. "First" does not mean "only." The Republicans have black people and women and Hispanics at every level of government. And have had a longer history of that than their opposition. Despite that the Democrat party is older. Every level of government. Except the vice president and president. Do you know why? Because there's only been about 40 of each since the Democrats started and about 30 of each since the Republicans. And the Democrats have achieved a total of one VP. Wow what an incredible proof that Republicans must be racist and sexist. The Dems managed one single VP. That 99% of their party voted against. And who couldn't win a general election because she lost 7 million votes compared to the white guy in her party. If you want to make a claim of racism and sexism here, which I do not because it's frivolous, however the data only goes in one direction and it's the opposite of the claim you want to make. Best not to poke the sleeping giant of latent Democrat racism because the awakening might be too rude for you. The Democrat party is far more diverse than the Republican party. I posted the infographics of that a while back. Want me to repost it? "Diverse" and "racist" are not antonyms. There is no point to whatever you think you are talking about here. Diverse and racist are antonyms when black people overwhelmingly avoid and hate the Republican party. Well we've gotten somewhere, thanks for at least agreeing they're not sexist since there's no overwhelming avoidance and hate by women. What the fuck? You didn't say anything about sexism, so I didn't respond to that. Women are ALSO avoiding the Republican party as proven by their representation. They're a TINY minority in the party. We just don't know whether that's because women hate Republicans or because Republicans hate women. Fucking outstanding gaslighting failure buddy. Either figure out what you believe, or make an effort to remember what you believe, or at least remember what you pretend to believe. This is getting childish. I can get more insight from an LLM. The sex divide in voting is like 55% Democrat / 45% Republican. Women and people of color can vote for any representation they want. You may be projecting your own racism and sexism that your natural instinct is to vote for someone who looks exactly like you at all costs - Americans don't think that way. It's not a good assumption to make. You're probably the outlier in that case. You didn't talk about sexism in the comment I responded to, you fool. Learn to follow your own argument. Here's a breakdown of Republican/Democrat support by gender. It's very obvious that women do NOT like Republicans. Only old or married women are more in support. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/partisanship-by-gender-sexual-orientation-marital-and-parental-status/ My mistake, 51/44, it's even closer than I thought.
Yeah, across all women. If you narrow down by age, suddenly everything changes. Shocker: old women don't care about young women. They're selfish.
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On November 17 2024 01:56 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2024 00:42 Magic Powers wrote:
Also I wanna say very clearly that this attempt to blame Democrats for being "too woke" or moving "too far left" or whatever is an attempt at destroying the Democrat party. It's a lie. The Democrat party of the 21st century is built on DEI and has succeeded in very large part because of it. If they now start to alienate their voter base because of nonsensical criticism, they'll be making a HUGE mistake. They need to work on sticking the landing, they do NOT need to divert course.
There's only one thing they can improve in terms of direction: they need to learn to appeal to men better, in particular white men. They need to make sure not to alienate them for the sake of inclusion. Men, including white men, must be part of that inclusive process. Bolded - if they'll succeed just a little bit more California will go red...
One or two presidential elections prove nothing. Democrats had Obama twice and Biden once. If they don't repeat the same obvious mistakes and just keep pushing for what's right, they'll be back on track to scoring win after win.
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On November 17 2024 01:37 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2024 01:19 Gorsameth wrote:
its really funny that Democrats are both to 'woke' and went to far right in the same election depending on who you talk to, and sometimes even when talking to the same person...
When I mentioned this a few days ago I was told they tried to do both and did both badly. It's just getting to the point where I don't trust anyone's criticism of the democrats as a party anymore unless it's backed by clear data. It's just open season right now and is a great distraction from how more than a few thousand people are actually willing to vote for Donald Trump for a public office. I legit don't think it mattered at all what the Democrats did. They could have run the perfect campaign (they obv didn't) and the result would have been the same. As Kwark so eloquently put it, the Democrats lost because Biden pulled the secret White House Inflation lever. Everything else is just fluff.
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On November 17 2024 02:09 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2024 02:05 oBlade wrote:On November 17 2024 00:31 Magic Powers wrote:On November 17 2024 00:25 oBlade wrote:On November 16 2024 22:14 Magic Powers wrote:
I can see the argument that racism and sexism won Trump the vote - but that's because his voters support racism and sexism, not because Harris' voters support it. The argument should go the other way around. Biden being replaced by a white man wouldn't have won them the elections because Democrats don't vote based on race and gender. Republicans do. On November 17 2024 00:16 Magic Powers wrote:On November 17 2024 00:13 oBlade wrote:On November 16 2024 23:58 Magic Powers wrote:On November 16 2024 23:54 oBlade wrote:2020-2016 = 16 million. The objectively worst performing demographic on Democrat tickets is not women of color, it's white women. Wonder why women would vote for such a sexist like Blumpf. It's truly appalling how they can somehow value something like the life of an unborn child over the fact that a rich guy had sex with people. Those stupid handmaids should learn what's good for them and vote Democrat like they're supposed to! On November 16 2024 23:43 Magic Powers wrote:On November 16 2024 23:37 oBlade wrote:
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Sandra Day O'Connor was BORN in 1930 but thanks for the civics lesson Mr. Smith.
"First" does not mean "only." The Republicans have black people and women and Hispanics at every level of government. And have had a longer history of that than their opposition. Despite that the Democrat party is older. Every level of government. Except the vice president and president. Do you know why? Because there's only been about 40 of each since the Democrats started and about 30 of each since the Republicans. And the Democrats have achieved a total of one VP. Wow what an incredible proof that Republicans must be racist and sexist. The Dems managed one single VP. That 99% of their party voted against. And who couldn't win a general election because she lost 7 million votes compared to the white guy in her party. If you want to make a claim of racism and sexism here, which I do not because it's frivolous, however the data only goes in one direction and it's the opposite of the claim you want to make. Best not to poke the sleeping giant of latent Democrat racism because the awakening might be too rude for you. The Democrat party is far more diverse than the Republican party. I posted the infographics of that a while back. Want me to repost it? "Diverse" and "racist" are not antonyms. There is no point to whatever you think you are talking about here. Diverse and racist are antonyms when black people overwhelmingly avoid and hate the Republican party. Well we've gotten somewhere, thanks for at least agreeing they're not sexist since there's no overwhelming avoidance and hate by women. What the fuck? You didn't say anything about sexism, so I didn't respond to that. Women are ALSO avoiding the Republican party as proven by their representation. They're a TINY minority in the party. We just don't know whether that's because women hate Republicans or because Republicans hate women. Fucking outstanding gaslighting failure buddy. Either figure out what you believe, or make an effort to remember what you believe, or at least remember what you pretend to believe. This is getting childish. I can get more insight from an LLM. The sex divide in voting is like 55% Democrat / 45% Republican. Women and people of color can vote for any representation they want. You may be projecting your own racism and sexism that your natural instinct is to vote for someone who looks exactly like you at all costs - Americans don't think that way. It's not a good assumption to make. You're probably the outlier in that case. You didn't talk about sexism in the comment I responded to, you fool. Learn to follow your own argument. Here's a breakdown of Republican/Democrat support by gender. It's very obvious that women do NOT like Republicans. Only old or married women are more in support. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/partisanship-by-gender-sexual-orientation-marital-and-parental-status/ My mistake, 51/44, it's even closer than I thought. Yeah, across all women. If you narrow down by age, suddenly everything changes. Shocker: old women don't care about young women. They're selfish.
Good let's keep going and get that mask all the way off. Can you give us some more detail about how bad old women are in order to save us from sexism? The old women are selfish because they don't copy young women's voting trend right - shouldn't the 18-29-year-olds vote the same way as old people if they were selfless though? How can we account for that? Looks like the 18-29-year-old trend is selfishness too unless I missed something.
Here's another interesting group. Your data says here parents go basically 10 points further towards Republicans than not. What could be a more selfish segment of society than parents?
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