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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44300 Posts
On April 25 2023 19:34 maybenexttime wrote: Oh, I know. I think they'd have a very good shot against Biden, who I think should not even be running. He is clearly not as sharp as he used to be. Yeah Biden is just too old and he's clearly slowing down mentally. I wish he would have declared that he wasn't running, to reset the Democratic primary stage (and then he can just campaign for whoever wins the primary), although the incumbent advantage could be pretty significant if we're talking about winning the general election again. His first term has been reasonably successful, although optics and partisan voting seem to matter way more than substance. I'll surely be voting for whoever wins the Democratic primary (especially given that the Republican primary winner will be Trump or DeSantis or someone like them, and I'd absolutely prefer a deteriorating Biden over any of them), but I probably won't vote for Biden in the primary. Depending on his cognition, Biden may actually lose the Democratic primary or feel the need to withdraw early. We'll see who else announces in the coming months. | ||
KwarK
United States42653 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23221 Posts
On April 25 2023 21:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Yeah Biden is just too old and he's clearly slowing down mentally. I wish he would have declared that he wasn't running, to reset the Democratic primary stage (and then he can just campaign for whoever wins the primary), although the incumbent advantage could be pretty significant if we're talking about winning the general election again. His first term has been reasonably successful, although optics and partisan voting seem to matter way more than substance. I'll surely be voting for whoever wins the Democratic primary (especially given that the Republican primary winner will be Trump or DeSantis or someone like them, and I'd absolutely prefer a deteriorating Biden over any of them), but I probably won't vote for Biden in the primary. Depending on his cognition, Biden may actually lose the Democratic primary or feel the need to withdraw early. We'll see who else announces in the coming months. Maybe if Democrats were at least going to run a real primary with debates, but they aren't. He's also advocating for Feinstein to finish her term (despite it undermining his ability to appoint "liberal" judges), so I wouldn't hold out hope for him taking himself out of the race for health reasons. | ||
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Razyda
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9646 Posts
On April 26 2023 05:24 Razyda wrote: Out of curiosity if not Biden then who else would run in Dem primaries (I dont think Kennedy is taken seriously)? Orb lady is running again I think. She would destroy anyone in a 1 on 1 debate if people would take her seriously but she would be very bad at running a country probably. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14893 Posts
On April 26 2023 05:24 Razyda wrote: Out of curiosity if not Biden then who else would run in Dem primaries (I dont think Kennedy is taken seriously)? gavin newsom very clearly wants to be president I would love if the governor of michigan ran I am unsure about most senators or representatives, too many to evaluate | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2603 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13925 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35143 Posts
On April 26 2023 09:24 gobbledydook wrote: If it's Biden vs Trump I think a lot of people are just going to turn off and not vote. People don't like having to select between crap and shit. I don't like it either, but one is shit and the other is radio active waste. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23221 Posts
On April 26 2023 11:59 Gahlo wrote: I don't like it either, but one is shit and the other is radio active waste. Doesn't bode well for a society when the plan for the "reasonable" part of the electorate is to knowingly/desperately advocate/vote for someone they openly recognize as shit. Particularly when they are losing in polls to radioactive waste. | ||
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Kyadytim
United States886 Posts
On April 26 2023 13:45 GreenHorizons wrote: While I think I generally agree with the point you're trying to make, I also think you're abusing statistics here. Biden's job approval is around 42%. Trump's job approval, iirc, hovered around 40% as well.Doesn't bode well for a society when the plan for the "reasonable" part of the electorate is to knowingly/desperately advocate/vote for someone they openly recognize as shit. Particularly when they are losing in polls to radioactive waste. So around 2/3 of the sane part of the electorate that did not like what Trump was doing presumably do not consider Biden to be a particularly shit choice for president. Put another way, 2/3 of the people who think Biden is shit are Trump supporters. People who don't like Biden but plan to hold their nose and vote for him are a minority no matter how you look at it. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10154 Posts
On April 25 2023 21:02 JimmiC wrote: Two people who should not be running, running against each other. Sad. Who else do you suggest that Democrats run right now? If there's one thing Dems are pretty notoriously bad at, it's being able to have good national candidates in their pipeline. On April 26 2023 06:22 KOFgokuon wrote: gavin newsom very clearly wants to be president I would love if the governor of michigan ran I am unsure about most senators or representatives, too many to evaluate Newsom coming from California and the rest of the nation looking at Cali more and more like "Commiefornia" does not bode well for driving moderate swing voters in swing states to vote for him. I think he would do worse than Biden in a general. Hakeem Jeffries is a name that I would want Dems to work on to lead the party eventually. His A-Z speech was fantastic and he's got a lot of similarities to Obama in his public speaking. But naturally, he's not ready for the big stage yet but maybe down the line. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44300 Posts
On April 26 2023 23:41 FlaShFTW wrote: Who else do you suggest that Democrats run right now? If there's one thing Dems are pretty notoriously bad at, it's being able to have good national candidates in their pipeline. Newsom coming from California and the rest of the nation looking at Cali more and more like "Commiefornia" does not bode well for driving moderate swing voters in swing states to vote for him. I think he would do worse than Biden in a general. Hakeem Jeffries is a name that I would want Dems to work on to lead the party eventually. His A-Z speech was fantastic and he's got a lot of similarities to Obama in his public speaking. But naturally, he's not ready for the big stage yet but maybe down the line. Would that mean Newsom would be more likely to drive progressives to vote in swing states, who otherwise might not be motivated to vote for a more moderate Biden? | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35143 Posts
On April 27 2023 00:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Would that mean Newsom would be more likely to drive progressives to vote in swing states, who otherwise might not be motivated to vote for a more moderate Biden? As somebody from a swing state(PA), it really doesn't matter. By the time our primary happens the elections are all but mathematically over. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44300 Posts
On April 27 2023 08:15 Gahlo wrote: As somebody from a swing state(PA), it really doesn't matter. By the time our primary happens the elections are all but mathematically over. Oh, I was thinking about the general election. | ||
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