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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On November 04 2022 17:18 Laurens wrote: The 'cordon sanitaire' is an unofficial agreement that was made years ago, by the previous generation of party leaders. No party is obliged to uphold it, and they will gladly form a government with Vlaams Belang when it suits their agenda sufficiently. Until then, we will be forced to watch Vlaams Belang keep growing and growing. Second biggest party in 2019 with 18,5% of the votes, up from 5,9% in 2014. We're looking at easily 20+% in 2024. Because of the cordon, the other parties then have to enter these massive coalition governments that don't get anything done. Which in turn pisses more voters off, which gives more votes to Vlaams Belang. It's a cycle that is completely destroying politics. If you think you want that in the US, you are mistaken. Good lord I have a lot more to learn about our government and political environment | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On November 04 2022 22:58 Gahlo wrote: The PA senate debate has me legit concerned about my state. What all happened during it? I had only seen a bit about it being a disaster | ||
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
On November 04 2022 23:10 plasmidghost wrote: What all happened during it? I had only seen a bit about it being a disaster Fetterman had a stroke back in May and a big hurdle he has right now is that he has trouble processing people speaking to him, so he'll need to hear something and take a few minutes to understand it, along with having difficulty taking unprepared thought and expressing it. It makes a lot of his speech stuttered, some words get skipped or rammed together. He still seems like he's there behind it all, but communicating is difficult. Sadly, many people have trouble seeing past this. Of course, Oz is a slick snake oils salesman so he knows how to perfectly take advantage of those that could be turned off towards Fetterman because of this. Recent polls have leaned towards Oz for the first time ever after the debate. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On November 04 2022 23:17 Gahlo wrote: Fetterman had a stroke back in May and a big hurdle he has right now is that he has trouble processing people speaking to him, so he'll need to hear something and take a few minutes to understand it, along with having difficulty taking unprepared thought and expressing it. It makes a lot of his speech stuttered, some words get skipped or rammed together. He still seems like he's there behind it all, but communicating is difficult. Sadly, many people have trouble seeing past this. Of course, Oz is a slick snake oils salesman so he knows how to perfectly take advantage of those that could be turned off towards Fetterman because of this. Recent polls have leaned towards Oz for the first time ever after the debate. Jesus fuck. What a goddamn travesty | ||
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Simberto
Germany11601 Posts
Ok, but am i mistaken here that maybe someone who had a stroke maybe should not be one of the two people available to be elected for an important position like senator? Especially if he has difficulties like you describe. US politics is kind of weird honestly. | ||
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pmh
1363 Posts
Trump might have been generous but the overall image of the party remains different. Maybe the socialist stigma of the democratic party will be a benefit for once. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21922 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14037 Posts
On November 04 2022 23:35 Simberto wrote: Ok, but am i mistaken here that maybe someone who had a stroke maybe should not be one of the two people available to be elected for an important position like senator? Especially if he has difficulties like you describe. US politics is kind of weird honestly. Down in Georgia you've got Hershall walker who's clearly suffering from CTE that he got in the NFL. Fetterman can at least put sentences together while Walker has had his dirty laundry from his longstanding absent fatherism being a good thing compared to how violent he acts when he does spend time with his family. Walker will probably win even though he's paid for abortions even. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On November 04 2022 23:35 Simberto wrote: Ok, but am i mistaken here that maybe someone who had a stroke maybe should not be one of the two people available to be elected for an important position like senator? Especially if he has difficulties like you describe. US politics is kind of weird honestly. His recovery is actually going very well. I'd understand this concern if he wasn't making good progress but he is and what he's having trouble with (auditory processing function) is something that many stroke victims see a lot of improvement in. We shouldn't see someone with a disability and immediately discount them simply because they struggle with something that people without that disability can do with ease. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On November 04 2022 23:52 Gorsameth wrote: yeah sorry but running for Congress when you recently had a stroke might not be the best idea. You step out and let someone else run for that seat. He had the stroke right before he won the democrat primary. It's not like he had a stroke and then decided to run for the senate seat. On November 04 2022 23:58 StasisField wrote: His recovery is actually going very well. I'd understand this concern if he wasn't making good progress but he is and what he's having trouble with (auditory processing function) is something that many stroke victims see a lot of improvement in. We shouldn't see someone with a disability and immediately discount them simply because they struggle with something that people without that disability can do with ease. and this is the key. As long as he is expected to recover it seems reasonable for him to stay in. The other question to answer is if you believe there is an optics problem and Fetterman should drop out, who replaces him? "Fetterman won the Democratic primary by a landslide, winning all 67 counties in Pennsylvania" Is the second place finisher a better alternative? | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
This does lead to something that's been pissing me off though. It's definitely true that Oz, a person who still likes to be called "doctor", is attacking someone for having a stroke, and is trying to step over him to be yet another obstructionist Republican in the Senate. That's awful in a way that speaks for itself. However, the media at large has been giving coverage of Fetterman, his debate, and his recovery that just reeks of ableist bullshit. Constantly casting doubt on his faculties and describing basically his only remaining struggle as a "cognitive issue", when it's obvious if you listen to him for a minute, or listen to anyone who has done so themselves, it's not a cognitive anything. He's all there. They talk about the fact that he needed closed captioning like it was the plague itself, and they kept a debate format that left basically no room for Fetterman to take any extra time to process what people were saying, or else he wouldn't have the time to answer. There was no real accommodation for the temporary difficulties he was having, and the media has been only too happy to jump on it and paint him as a doomed candidate who can't perform the duties of the job. This has been not only conservative outlets, but liberal ones too. It reminded me of the ways so many liberals who supposedly cared about LGBTQ issues just fuck right off as soon as people started attacking trans folks. Someone has a minor disability, akin to requiring a fucking hearing aid, and suddenly we're just not sure if we care enough. Madison Cawthorne got his Nazi ass primary'ed out, and you know what not a single person mentioned? The wheelchair that he needs to get around. It's bullshit. If Oz wins, it'll be 1000% because the media was complicit in jumping on a disabled person and stigmatizing them for it. It's disgusting. | ||
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brian
United States9629 Posts
that said, we have laws for ‘reasonable accommodations’ for a reason. If a candidate had alzheimer’s for instance, that would be disqualifying and not ableist. there is no reasonable accommodation that would result in that candidate still being able to do the job. that’s clearly not the case here, he can still do the job and do it well, and certainly better than a man trying to escape Dr Phil’s shadow. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On November 05 2022 00:34 brian wrote: I will go out on a ledge to say a physical disability like cawthornes isn’t the best comparison to a potential mental disability when it comes to the job. that said, we have laws for ‘reasonable accommodations’ for a reason. If a candidate had alzheimer’s for instance, that would be disqualifying and not ableist. there is no reasonable accommodation that would result in that candidate still being able to do the job. that’s clearly not the case here, he can still do the job and do it well, and certainly better than a man trying to escape Dr Phil’s shadow. For sure, not all disabilities are the same. What I take issue with is how nobody could be bothered to take the time to make the distinction between someone who's making a solid recovery from a stroke, and someone who literally has Alzheimer's. The ableism lies in assuming that he's got any form of disability, therefore it must be completely debilitating and we need to cast aspersions on him publicly through every fucking media outlet we have. If a journalist had arranged for an interview with him, get a direct impression and conversation on the record to work with, they could better understand what it's like themselves, and help other people understand too. Instead it's all been this viral wave of word-of-mouth, repetitive "but can a man with cognitive issues still be a senator?" yellow journalism crap. Anyway, I've said my piece, finished my rant. It's just something that's been upsetting me. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7371 Posts
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micronesia
United States24720 Posts
I will write a book about how Trump goes back to 2020 to warn the GOP about how they need to accept Fauci’s recommendations and lockdowns or they will lose badly in the 2022 midterms due to lots of them dying. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On November 05 2022 08:16 plasmidghost wrote: Four days out, my rough guess is that Dems hold the Senate and the GOP takes the House. Governorships go to GOP This is what I'm expecting as well. I think the Dems might even get 52 seats in the senate. Unfortunately the Republicans have already made it clear they're going to be obstructionists in the House if they take it so nothing will get done outside of EOs. | ||
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