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On July 07 2022 10:24 Husyelt wrote:
How likely is it that Rudy or Lindsey Graham will be able to fight and not show up for the subpoena? basically 0?
The subject is their work for the Trump campaign so they can't hide behind executive privilege and its calls between them and the governor (I think?) so attorney privilege doesn't apply either.
The goal, as it is so often, is simply to stall and frustrate. Maybe in the hope they can drag it out long enough for the right people to win elections and get into places where they can kill the investigations.
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On July 07 2022 14:52 plasmidghost wrote:I've followed along with different polls and their aggregate from 538 from the Friday that Roe v Wade got overturned to now and the overall approval for Biden only dipped .4%. I was expecting a dip of at least 1%, so maybe things aren't quite as hopeless as I thought. I've been seeing more and more accounts of cis women, trans men, and AFAB nonbinary people losing access to lifesaving drugs, with few if any medical professionals trying to help. I'm going to try to gather a few newer ones than what I posted a few pages back, but it terrifies me that they are going to die of lupus or cancer or similar, in addition to ectopic pregnancies, miscarriages, and the like. I am trying so hard to believe that something will be done to help them survive, but things look abysmal at the moment. Relevant experiences: + Show Spoiler +Personal quibble: I've always found it weird how right-wingers will say stuff like Let's Go Brandon when every leftist I know and myself proudly say that Joe Biden should go fuck himself
Maybe the support is very close to rock bottom,the point where it can not drop any further.
Brandon was funny i have to admit. Its about the first time the republicans have a succesfull meme. I do think this meme has played a not insignificant role in Bidens low popularity. Beeing salty about this meme only makes it more entertaining and worse for the democrats,so i have to agree that this ban maybe is not the best way to deal with it. There is no good way to fight a popular meme other then a counter meme.
Succesfull memes can be a very powerfull pr tool in todays society. They are sort of the political cartoons of today.
Its a very interesting and complicated phenomenon. It is quiet difficult to launch a succesful meme on purpose and they are still under-utilized.
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The only people i see use and/or like it are right wing anyway.
This "meme" is nothing outside of these circles.
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As far as providing a reliable signal that the speaker is a numbskull, the Brandon meme is indeed effective.
As for the Georgia grand jury subpoenas, Graham has already started fighting against his, but these aren't Congressional subpoenas that are easily quashed/ignored, so I expect he'll end up having to submit in one way or another.
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Northern Ireland26044 Posts
On July 07 2022 17:12 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2022 15:48 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On July 07 2022 15:21 justanothertownie wrote:On July 07 2022 06:10 WombaT wrote:On July 07 2022 05:34 justanothertownie wrote:On July 07 2022 05:20 Mohdoo wrote:
I doubt a majority do but that’s not really how elections work. Elections and especially midterms are about doing everything you can to get your maybe voters to become definitely voters. The number of democrats who will stay home if loans are forgiven are likely extremely small. Even if they don’t support it, they’re very unlikely to go vote republicans instead. On the other hand, asking students to resume payments suddenly takes a huge bite out of young voter turnout. It’s inconceivable I would show up to vote if Biden resumes loan repayments while billions are spent elsewhere. Both parties have shown “but the budget” isn’t a real concern and they will spend enormous money on things they deem worthwhile. If they decide young voters aren’t worth it, they’ve made their decision and they will absolutely lose What a disturbing display of egoism. Where’s the egoism? It’s just politics. Either find some genuine cultural and political ground with farsighted policy where people come together for the good of society, or just splinter off demographics to vote in a purely self-interested manner. Those are the options. There is no third option. Is loan forgiveness necessarily a good policy without further reform? I mean, imo no, but it sure would help my bottom line if I was over the States. Are ever-increasing house prices for an older generation with little or no student debt who tend to be already be property owners a good idea? Also no They vote and defend that ground and status quo tooth and claw. Every single election cycle. Without fail. Housing prices dropping are presented as a negative in political discussions in my country at the same time people are struggling to even get on the ladder. If you’re not going to do anything about that, not even try because it annoys boomers and ‘loses votes’, inflation is driving up prices. If Roe and other social issues have gone by the wayside, and you’re not doing the thing that could benefit me personally, why would I vote for you? In a crude order of preference I’d prefer a more equal, less cutthroat society and I’d be happy to pay more taxes for that. A distant second is don’t do that, but at least give me something. Defending your interests is one thing. The student loan system in the US is also terrible. Still, saying "this president did not make it so I do not have to repay the money I owe for loans I consciously took so I will not vote for his party" is something else. Especially since we see where this leads - I mean you mentioned some of the problems. "Party that could do one thing for me instead does nothing" seems like a perfectly valid reason to not vote for said party. Were it not for the fascist hostage situation going on with voting in the US it'd be strange to do otherwise. It's not that not forgiving student loans is the single reason Wombat is saying they'd not vote dem - it's the lack of positive reasons to vote dem. They certainly aren't doing anything major in the near future, so if they're not even going to bother throwing you a bone, why show up? Of course, that question has an answer when you consider how batshit insane the Republican party is - but I can forgive someone getting tired of voting for things to get worse slower rather than faster. Sure, but unfortunately the Republicans are reality. So I really don't think this is a valid argument.
To expand briefly, I’m speaking broad brushes, but you tend to have very boomer friendly policies, both historically that lead to their current conditions, and subsequently in maintaining that status quo.
Some are outright good for that demographic, some are zero sum good in that they directly impact the conditions of subsequent younger generations negatively.
Altering this is never on the table because it’s a vote loser. Why is it a vote loser? Because it will push more people to vote Republican, or not at all.
It’s the combination of ‘We’ll do what the boomers want or they’ll vote Republican, we won’t do what you want but you’re a monster if you vote Republican’ that is the problem, a perpetual one and why I didn’t find Mohdoo’s position all that mental.
It’s really only the young, or the young/left bracket that are going full Oliver Twist and being told nah you can’t have seconds, but expected to come out and vote.
Conservatives of various stripes are getting their wins in the social policy realm, older folks are keeping hold of their (relatively) sweet thing.
Some of these aren’t new problems, occasional market crash aside housing has been rising above inflation and real wages for considerable, considerable periods of time. With little political capital in trying to stymie that, landlords and people looking to sell, or pass on to children always tend to see to that.
Likewise the student loan bloat has grown and grown, with a labour market where the value of a degree in many areas has seen a commensurate decline, but is also a prerequisite for many basic jobs.
Now we’re in a time where, hopefully relatively temporarily inflation on goods is spiralling through the roof.
It’s a complete triple whammy to be contending with, and Biden only really has power to target one specific area, even if it’s just a temporary kicking down the line until inflation settles a little.
Throw a dog a bone and all that. It’s a culmination of bad policy making over a long period of time, bringing in a bad policy fudge to temporarily help people on the breadline seems reasonable enough to me.
I’m sure if rent was less insane in certain locales, for example that many people could easily stomach servicing their loans. And would be quite happy to do so, so much as anyone is ever happy seeing money going out the door.
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It's also important to remember that Biden didn't just join politics for a presidential run. He's been part of the problem our entire lives.
When the guy who befriended segregationists, helped facilitate the smear job on Anita Hill, bragged about passing the the mass incarceration crime bill, and so on tells you his solution to decades of abuse by police is to give them even more money (NYPD's budget is bigger than Romania's entire military budget) it isn't done in isolation as a one-off. It's part of an established pattern of scumbag behavior.
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Student loan forgiveness isn't popular with the entire electorate but it is very popular with the people who will either vote for him or stay home and not vote for him.
When you make decisions in 2022 America you need to ignore the people who just want things to get worse. They have no values they have no ideas all they have is hate imagined grievance and even more hate for America.
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On July 08 2022 02:07 GreenHorizons wrote:
It's also important to remember that Biden didn't just join politics for a presidential run. He's been part of the problem our entire lives.
When the guy who befriended segregationists, helped facilitate the smear job on Anita Hill, bragged about passing the the mass incarceration crime bill, and so on tells you his solution to decades of abuse by police is to give them even more money (NYPD's budget is bigger than Romania's entire military budget) it isn't done in isolation as a one-off. It's part of an established pattern of scumbag behavior.
It's too bad, he might have redeemed himself having landed the presidency near the end of his life. The promises he made sure sounded good but seems like very little of it has come to pass. I suspect we will be looking back wistfully at these times though when the conservative hellscape comes in earnest soon.
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On July 08 2022 02:46 Starlightsun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2022 02:07 GreenHorizons wrote:
It's also important to remember that Biden didn't just join politics for a presidential run. He's been part of the problem our entire lives.
When the guy who befriended segregationists, helped facilitate the smear job on Anita Hill, bragged about passing the the mass incarceration crime bill, and so on tells you his solution to decades of abuse by police is to give them even more money (NYPD's budget is bigger than Romania's entire military budget) it isn't done in isolation as a one-off. It's part of an established pattern of scumbag behavior. It's too bad, he might have redeemed himself having landed the presidency near the end of his life. The promises he made sure sounded good but seems like very little of it has come to pass. I suspect we will be looking back wistfully at these times though when the conservative hellscape comes in earnest soon.
His promises always came off as hollow rhetoric meant to fool the gullible and desperate (standard US politician) to me. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if social liberals wistfully look back to their role in facilitating the fascist takeover of the US as better days gone by though.
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I think people need to remember that Mohdoo lives in a solidly blue state (Oregon if I remember correctly) and that they have the privilege to not vote, since there is very little to no chance that their vote would change the outcome of an election in their area. Mohdoo would probably feel differently about not voting if they lived in a purple state where their vote carries more weight.
And yeah, Biden sucks. Sure, some of the things Biden promised can't be done without Congress, but there are things Biden promised that he could do via executive order, like reclassifying marijuana and cancelling some amount of student debt, that he refuses to do anything on. Instead, he throws those issues back at Congress in hopes they'll do his job for him. He could also do more to pressure members of Congress to pass popular legislation too but he doesn't. Biden is lazy and it's infuriating to see. If he wasn't going to bring passion and urgency to the office why the hell did he run?
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On July 08 2022 03:20 StasisField wrote:
I think people need to remember that Mohdoo lives in a solidly blue state (Oregon if I remember correctly) and that they have the privilege to not vote, since there is very little to no chance that their vote would change the outcome of an election in their area. Mohdoo would probably feel differently about not voting if they lived in a purple state where their vote carries more weight.
And yeah, Biden sucks. Sure, some of the things Biden promised can't be done without Congress, but there are things Biden promised that he could do via executive order, like reclassifying marijuana and cancelling some amount of student debt, that he refuses to do anything on. Instead, he throws those issues back at Congress in hopes they'll do his job for him. He could also do more to pressure members of Congress to pass popular legislation too but he doesn't. Biden is lazy and it's infuriating to see. If he wasn't going to bring passion and urgency to the office why the hell did he run?
I get that first part. I think Texas had a 98% chance of going for Trump in 2016, but I still voted anyway despite knowing it really wouldn't make much of a difference in my district. If I lived in Michigan or Florida or whichever swing state, and I didn't vote, I'd probably feel like shit right about now, even if it wouldn't have made a difference
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Northern Ireland26044 Posts
On July 08 2022 03:20 StasisField wrote:
I think people need to remember that Mohdoo lives in a solidly blue state (Oregon if I remember correctly) and that they have the privilege to not vote, since there is very little to no chance that their vote would change the outcome of an election in their area. Mohdoo would probably feel differently about not voting if they lived in a purple state where their vote carries more weight.
And yeah, Biden sucks. Sure, some of the things Biden promised can't be done without Congress, but there are things Biden promised that he could do via executive order, like reclassifying marijuana and cancelling some amount of student debt, that he refuses to do anything on. Instead, he throws those issues back at Congress in hopes they'll do his job for him. He could also do more to pressure members of Congress to pass popular legislation too but he doesn't. Biden is lazy and it's infuriating to see. If he wasn't going to bring passion and urgency to the office why the hell did he run?
I thought Mohdoo lived on Mohdoo IslandTM?
Granted I’m unsure where that particular island is situated.
Marijuana is a pretty obvious, pretty easily done thing that most people would be down with. It’s a simple, simple win with no real drawbacks whatsoever, plenty of people on all sides of the political spectrum smoke weed. It’s not some fractious, hugely divisive emotionally charged issue like say, abortion is.
Even stick another time limited moratorium on student debt repayment, kick it down the road a little! All you have to say is ‘we’re working on a more sensible long term solution, it’ll take time, but we recognise that inflation is kicking people’s arse currently and we need what spare income people do have to be recirculating in the economy right now’. It would also help if you were actually working on a more sensible long term solution.
Come on man!
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On July 08 2022 04:27 JimmiC wrote:
My understanding is that tye problem with the president just doing things is the next one can just as easily undo the change. With pot this seems like a reason to push it through congress as it is popular and would be more permanent. With loan forgivness I can not inagine it being reverted or how that would even happen but I guess it could. With that one I think it is is just political and timing. Outside of this crowd it is not very popular and for those who really want it you want maxiumum impact which woukd be right befire the election. There is no rush given it all paused right now anyhow.
My thought is that even if the next president undoes the executive orders, Biden doing them anyway is an immensely better solution than him doing nothing about it
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On July 08 2022 05:08 plasmidghost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2022 04:27 JimmiC wrote:
My understanding is that tye problem with the president just doing things is the next one can just as easily undo the change. With pot this seems like a reason to push it through congress as it is popular and would be more permanent. With loan forgivness I can not inagine it being reverted or how that would even happen but I guess it could. With that one I think it is is just political and timing. Outside of this crowd it is not very popular and for those who really want it you want maxiumum impact which woukd be right befire the election. There is no rush given it all paused right now anyhow. My thought is that even if the next president undoes the executive orders, Biden doing them anyway is an immensely better solution than him doing nothing about it
Even as just a blatantly political move, taking action via executive order on some of these issues a good idea. It pushes the GOP candidates into taking positions against it, and if one of them somehow wins, they are now the person who made pot illegal, or drove countless young people to bankruptcy, or whatever.
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On July 08 2022 04:27 JimmiC wrote:
My understanding is that tye problem with the president just doing things is the next one can just as easily undo the change. With pot this seems like a reason to push it through congress as it is popular and would be more permanent. With loan forgivness I can not inagine it being reverted or how that would even happen but I guess it could. With that one I think it is is just political and timing. Outside of this crowd it is not very popular and for those who really want it you want maxiumum impact which woukd be right befire the election. There is no rush given it all paused right now anyhow. At least make them work for it.
"this measure is popular, it we do it the voters will support us more and people's lives will improve, but the Republicans would remove it next time they get into power and take the public opinion hit for doing so, so lets not implement it"
That is such an ass backwards reasoning ><
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On July 08 2022 05:19 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2022 04:27 JimmiC wrote:
My understanding is that tye problem with the president just doing things is the next one can just as easily undo the change. With pot this seems like a reason to push it through congress as it is popular and would be more permanent. With loan forgivness I can not inagine it being reverted or how that would even happen but I guess it could. With that one I think it is is just political and timing. Outside of this crowd it is not very popular and for those who really want it you want maxiumum impact which woukd be right befire the election. There is no rush given it all paused right now anyhow. At least make them work for it. "this measure is popular, it we do it the voters will support us more and people's lives will improve, but the Republicans would remove it next time they get into power and take the public opinion hit for doing so, so lets not implement it" That is such an ass backwards reasoning ><
True, and if Biden and the Dems were to keep hammering the point home that the GOP would undo the positive changes he made with the executive orders, it would, I would assume, significantly increase his approval rating and get people to vote for him
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Yeah, Biden's problem right now is not that his options are limited, it's that it doesn't even look like he's trying to figure out what his options are. He's not testing the limits of what he can accomplish, and he's doing nothing to put the blame where it belongs when his initiatives do fail. For every Manchin and Sinema, there's literally 25 Republicans who shit on the government trying to do anything that has a (D) on it. It feels like he's still doing everything in his power to not upset the irrational violent fascists. Which accomplishes nothing.
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