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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
July 08 2022 16:13 GMT
#74401
My biggest issue with Newsom is his interference in the Activision case in favor of Activision.

He’s a corporate scumbag at the end of the day.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24507 Posts
July 08 2022 16:16 GMT
#74402
On July 09 2022 01:06 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2022 00:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
Short of Biden being incapacitated, Democrats won't run a primary imo. If they did, I'd certainly not celebrate Newsome winning it.

He's got some slick packaging but if people think they got suckered by Biden...

Elaborate? Seems like a huge upgrade over biden

That's what had you so hyped about Biden earlier in his term. He's still an upgrade on his predecessor, but now you recognize how wholly ineffective of a standard that is.

Newsome will take you for the same ride.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
July 08 2022 16:21 GMT
#74403
On July 09 2022 01:16 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2022 01:06 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 09 2022 00:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
Short of Biden being incapacitated, Democrats won't run a primary imo. If they did, I'd certainly not celebrate Newsome winning it.

He's got some slick packaging but if people think they got suckered by Biden...

Elaborate? Seems like a huge upgrade over biden

That's what had you so hyped about Biden earlier in his term. He's still an upgrade on his predecessor, but now you recognize how wholly ineffective of a standard that is.

Newsome will take you for the same ride.

Biden was a huge upgrade. He still sucks, but I’m not gonna pretend he wasn’t an upgrade
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24507 Posts
July 08 2022 16:25 GMT
#74404
On July 09 2022 01:21 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2022 01:16 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 09 2022 01:06 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 09 2022 00:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
Short of Biden being incapacitated, Democrats won't run a primary imo. If they did, I'd certainly not celebrate Newsome winning it.

He's got some slick packaging but if people think they got suckered by Biden...

Elaborate? Seems like a huge upgrade over biden

That's what had you so hyped about Biden earlier in his term. He's still an upgrade on his predecessor, but now you recognize how wholly ineffective of a standard that is.

Newsome will take you for the same ride.

Biden was a huge upgrade. He still sucks, but I’m not gonna pretend he wasn’t an upgrade

I wasn't suggesting he wasn't. I literally said he was in the post.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
July 08 2022 16:43 GMT
#74405
On July 09 2022 01:25 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2022 01:21 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 09 2022 01:16 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 09 2022 01:06 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 09 2022 00:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
Short of Biden being incapacitated, Democrats won't run a primary imo. If they did, I'd certainly not celebrate Newsome winning it.

He's got some slick packaging but if people think they got suckered by Biden...

Elaborate? Seems like a huge upgrade over biden

That's what had you so hyped about Biden earlier in his term. He's still an upgrade on his predecessor, but now you recognize how wholly ineffective of a standard that is.

Newsome will take you for the same ride.

Biden was a huge upgrade. He still sucks, but I’m not gonna pretend he wasn’t an upgrade

I wasn't suggesting he wasn't. I literally said he was in the post.

I’m not saying you didn’t, I’m just explaining why Newsom can still be fundamentally capitalist while also being someone I am satisfied with as an upgrade to Biden. Biden sucks and we could do better. I’ll keep upgrading until we reach utopia. If nothing else, Newsom recognizes the current political climate. He’ll fight more than Biden. Sign me up.

Where do you think I’d end up disappointed?
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
July 08 2022 16:57 GMT
#74406
In how much Newsom actually fought/accomplished, I don’t think he’d hold his supposed values in the face of corporate donors in the White House
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24507 Posts
July 08 2022 17:14 GMT
#74407
On July 09 2022 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2022 01:25 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 09 2022 01:21 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 09 2022 01:16 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 09 2022 01:06 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 09 2022 00:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
Short of Biden being incapacitated, Democrats won't run a primary imo. If they did, I'd certainly not celebrate Newsome winning it.

He's got some slick packaging but if people think they got suckered by Biden...

Elaborate? Seems like a huge upgrade over biden

That's what had you so hyped about Biden earlier in his term. He's still an upgrade on his predecessor, but now you recognize how wholly ineffective of a standard that is.

Newsome will take you for the same ride.

Biden was a huge upgrade. He still sucks, but I’m not gonna pretend he wasn’t an upgrade

I wasn't suggesting he wasn't. I literally said he was in the post.

I’m not saying you didn’t, I’m just explaining why Newsom can still be fundamentally capitalist while also being someone I am satisfied with as an upgrade to Biden. Biden sucks and we could do better. I’ll keep upgrading until we reach utopia. If nothing else, Newsom recognizes the current political climate. He’ll fight more than Biden. Sign me up.

Where do you think I’d end up disappointed?

Probably the premise of a 2024 primary to start.

As to Newsome, I suppose it depends on how or if Biden is disappointing you.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
July 08 2022 17:37 GMT
#74408
On July 08 2022 23:55 Silvanel wrote:
I would also add, that most eastern Europeans think that he is doing, at least, an adequate job with regard to Ukraine. He did do and say some questionable things before war, but since it started he is doing ok.


Yeah I feel like foreign policy is where he's been strongest, but that's not something that wins a lot of points with voters. Of the course there was Afghanistan and deporting Haitian refugees but I feel those were inherited problems that don't really have good solutions.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
July 08 2022 20:39 GMT
#74409
Ukraine is definitely the easiest political win a president has ever had lol. It’s like the most popular war of all time. Russia directly invading someone. Yeah he’s gonna make the right call there
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 08 2022 20:59 GMT
#74410
--- Nuked ---
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
July 08 2022 22:17 GMT
#74411
On July 09 2022 01:57 Zambrah wrote:
In how much Newsom actually fought/accomplished, I don’t think he’d hold his supposed values in the face of corporate donors in the White House


Emphasis on "supposed" values. He banned state-funded travel to states with anti-LGBT laws because he didn't want to support them. Except right now he is vacationing in Montana. He banned indoor dining during COVID then threw himself a lavish indoor and maskless birthday party at The French Laundry. Not to mention he was fucking his campaign manager's wife. He's just another career politician that will say or do anything to get ahead. Of course that's par for the course among politicians.

It's a great time to get ahead by throwing Biden and the Democratic party under the bus.

"Where is the Democratic Party?" Newsom said later. "Where's the party? Why aren't we standing up more firmly, more resolutely? Why aren't we calling this out? This is a coordinated, concerted effort. And yes, they're winning. They are. They have been. Let's acknowledge that. We need to stand up, where's the counteroffensive?"


These weak ass Democrats are trash at preventing the Republicans from doing whatever they want. We need someone who is going to stand up to them! *wink wink*

He's clearly positioning himself for a Presidential run. He has said that he won't run if Biden seeks reelection. Honestly don't see how Biden is on the ticket 2 years from now. I can't imagine him being the President 6 years from now. He is barely able to read a teleprompter at this point.

Husyelt
Profile Blog Joined May 2020
United States839 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-09 01:10:43
July 09 2022 01:10 GMT
#74412
On July 09 2022 07:17 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2022 01:57 Zambrah wrote:
In how much Newsom actually fought/accomplished, I don’t think he’d hold his supposed values in the face of corporate donors in the White House


Emphasis on "supposed" values. He banned state-funded travel to states with anti-LGBT laws because he didn't want to support them. Except right now he is vacationing in Montana. He banned indoor dining during COVID then threw himself a lavish indoor and maskless birthday party at The French Laundry. Not to mention he was fucking his campaign manager's wife. He's just another career politician that will say or do anything to get ahead. Of course that's par for the course among politicians.

It's a great time to get ahead by throwing Biden and the Democratic party under the bus.

Show nested quote +
"Where is the Democratic Party?" Newsom said later. "Where's the party? Why aren't we standing up more firmly, more resolutely? Why aren't we calling this out? This is a coordinated, concerted effort. And yes, they're winning. They are. They have been. Let's acknowledge that. We need to stand up, where's the counteroffensive?"


These weak ass Democrats are trash at preventing the Republicans from doing whatever they want. We need someone who is going to stand up to them! *wink wink*

He's clearly positioning himself for a Presidential run. He has said that he won't run if Biden seeks reelection. Honestly don't see how Biden is on the ticket 2 years from now. I can't imagine him being the President 6 years from now. He is barely able to read a teleprompter at this point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD7e6n6xl9U

is he going there on state dollars or privately? I think you are correct in that he is a traditional lying politician, but he would be better that Biden for Dems. Buttigieg is my clear fav*
You're getting cynical and that won't do I'd throw the rose tint back on the exploded view
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
July 09 2022 02:09 GMT
#74413
Bernard Sandals third Presidential run anyone?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
TL+ Member
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-09 02:38:59
July 09 2022 02:38 GMT
#74414
--- Nuked ---
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-09 02:40:41
July 09 2022 02:39 GMT
#74415
On July 09 2022 10:10 Husyelt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2022 07:17 BlackJack wrote:
On July 09 2022 01:57 Zambrah wrote:
In how much Newsom actually fought/accomplished, I don’t think he’d hold his supposed values in the face of corporate donors in the White House


Emphasis on "supposed" values. He banned state-funded travel to states with anti-LGBT laws because he didn't want to support them. Except right now he is vacationing in Montana. He banned indoor dining during COVID then threw himself a lavish indoor and maskless birthday party at The French Laundry. Not to mention he was fucking his campaign manager's wife. He's just another career politician that will say or do anything to get ahead. Of course that's par for the course among politicians.

It's a great time to get ahead by throwing Biden and the Democratic party under the bus.

"Where is the Democratic Party?" Newsom said later. "Where's the party? Why aren't we standing up more firmly, more resolutely? Why aren't we calling this out? This is a coordinated, concerted effort. And yes, they're winning. They are. They have been. Let's acknowledge that. We need to stand up, where's the counteroffensive?"


These weak ass Democrats are trash at preventing the Republicans from doing whatever they want. We need someone who is going to stand up to them! *wink wink*

He's clearly positioning himself for a Presidential run. He has said that he won't run if Biden seeks reelection. Honestly don't see how Biden is on the ticket 2 years from now. I can't imagine him being the President 6 years from now. He is barely able to read a teleprompter at this point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD7e6n6xl9U

is he going there on state dollars or privately? I think you are correct in that he is a traditional lying politician, but he would be better that Biden for Dems. Buttigieg is my clear fav*

I can't stand Buttigieg. Genuinely asking: What do you like about him?

On July 09 2022 11:09 WombaT wrote:
Bernard Sandals third Presidential run anyone?

Bernie's too old, even for me at this point and I'm a diehard Bernie supporter. Even then, he still cracks my top 5 list of preferred candidates.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
July 09 2022 03:05 GMT
#74416
On July 09 2022 11:39 StasisField wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2022 10:10 Husyelt wrote:
On July 09 2022 07:17 BlackJack wrote:
On July 09 2022 01:57 Zambrah wrote:
In how much Newsom actually fought/accomplished, I don’t think he’d hold his supposed values in the face of corporate donors in the White House


Emphasis on "supposed" values. He banned state-funded travel to states with anti-LGBT laws because he didn't want to support them. Except right now he is vacationing in Montana. He banned indoor dining during COVID then threw himself a lavish indoor and maskless birthday party at The French Laundry. Not to mention he was fucking his campaign manager's wife. He's just another career politician that will say or do anything to get ahead. Of course that's par for the course among politicians.

It's a great time to get ahead by throwing Biden and the Democratic party under the bus.

"Where is the Democratic Party?" Newsom said later. "Where's the party? Why aren't we standing up more firmly, more resolutely? Why aren't we calling this out? This is a coordinated, concerted effort. And yes, they're winning. They are. They have been. Let's acknowledge that. We need to stand up, where's the counteroffensive?"


These weak ass Democrats are trash at preventing the Republicans from doing whatever they want. We need someone who is going to stand up to them! *wink wink*

He's clearly positioning himself for a Presidential run. He has said that he won't run if Biden seeks reelection. Honestly don't see how Biden is on the ticket 2 years from now. I can't imagine him being the President 6 years from now. He is barely able to read a teleprompter at this point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD7e6n6xl9U

is he going there on state dollars or privately? I think you are correct in that he is a traditional lying politician, but he would be better that Biden for Dems. Buttigieg is my clear fav*

I can't stand Buttigieg. Genuinely asking: What do you like about him?

Show nested quote +
On July 09 2022 11:09 WombaT wrote:
Bernard Sandals third Presidential run anyone?

Bernie's too old, even for me at this point and I'm a diehard Bernie supporter. Even then, he still cracks my top 5 list of preferred candidates.


Yeah, Bernie is too old, and its said that in spite of his truly geriatric age the Democrats cant muster someone with a tenth of his charisma or one infinitesmal fraction of his genuine values.

Democrats are probably riding the Kamala/Buttigieg/Klobuchar train for the future and thats such a charismaless milquetoast bunch that its hard to imagine Democrats winning the kind of victories they need to win.

This is all presuming elections mean literally anything in the US anymore, after all the Supreme Court could just tell the electorate to get fucked.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
July 09 2022 05:26 GMT
#74417
Newsom cares about nothing but himself. He's like Boris Johnson just on the left. He has a fundamental issue with hypocrisy and truth.
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
July 09 2022 05:30 GMT
#74418
I don't mind hypocrisy. It doesn't mean they are a bad leader. Being selfish and entitled doesn't mean you have bad policy.
Husyelt
Profile Blog Joined May 2020
United States839 Posts
July 09 2022 06:15 GMT
#74419
On July 09 2022 11:39 StasisField wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2022 10:10 Husyelt wrote:
On July 09 2022 07:17 BlackJack wrote:
On July 09 2022 01:57 Zambrah wrote:
In how much Newsom actually fought/accomplished, I don’t think he’d hold his supposed values in the face of corporate donors in the White House


Emphasis on "supposed" values. He banned state-funded travel to states with anti-LGBT laws because he didn't want to support them. Except right now he is vacationing in Montana. He banned indoor dining during COVID then threw himself a lavish indoor and maskless birthday party at The French Laundry. Not to mention he was fucking his campaign manager's wife. He's just another career politician that will say or do anything to get ahead. Of course that's par for the course among politicians.

It's a great time to get ahead by throwing Biden and the Democratic party under the bus.

"Where is the Democratic Party?" Newsom said later. "Where's the party? Why aren't we standing up more firmly, more resolutely? Why aren't we calling this out? This is a coordinated, concerted effort. And yes, they're winning. They are. They have been. Let's acknowledge that. We need to stand up, where's the counteroffensive?"


These weak ass Democrats are trash at preventing the Republicans from doing whatever they want. We need someone who is going to stand up to them! *wink wink*

He's clearly positioning himself for a Presidential run. He has said that he won't run if Biden seeks reelection. Honestly don't see how Biden is on the ticket 2 years from now. I can't imagine him being the President 6 years from now. He is barely able to read a teleprompter at this point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD7e6n6xl9U

is he going there on state dollars or privately? I think you are correct in that he is a traditional lying politician, but he would be better that Biden for Dems. Buttigieg is my clear fav*

I can't stand Buttigieg. Genuinely asking: What do you like about him?

Show nested quote +
On July 09 2022 11:09 WombaT wrote:
Bernard Sandals third Presidential run anyone?

Bernie's too old, even for me at this point and I'm a diehard Bernie supporter. Even then, he still cracks my top 5 list of preferred candidates.

I like how eloquent he is, and anyone that can make a Fox News town hall audience embrace and cheer for abortion rights certainly is worth paying attention to. I do acknowledge that he’s probably a bit of a phony, but he crafts his words well. And I don’t think America needs 3 presidents in a row who cant speak complete sentences.
You're getting cynical and that won't do I'd throw the rose tint back on the exploded view
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
July 09 2022 09:55 GMT
#74420
I think the problem is Buttigieg doesn't inspire. He just feels like the stereotypical telegenic politician.
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
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