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On June 17 2022 08:43 plasmidghost wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2022 08:34 StasisField wrote:
I hope Beto can keep gaining ground and win the race. Living in this conservative hellhole is feeling less and less like an option for me and my girlfriend as time passes. We've been on the verge of flipping for a while now and every election cycle we inch that much closer despite Republicans enacting stricter, more oppressive voting laws that hurt left-leaning demographics. I think the nail in the coffin for Texas politics to me was the recent US House special election in TX-34 where despite Biden winning it by 13 in 2020, it just elected a Republican by almost eight points
If we fail to vote Abbott out after his appalling response to children dying in Uvalde, then the state is officially too far gone for me and I'll start looking at where we can move to.
EDIT: The state has gad plenty of horrific steps toward bigotry and oppression as of late. If we don't reverse now then I don't want to stick around and see where things go.
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On June 17 2022 09:19 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2022 08:43 plasmidghost wrote:On June 17 2022 08:34 StasisField wrote:
I hope Beto can keep gaining ground and win the race. Living in this conservative hellhole is feeling less and less like an option for me and my girlfriend as time passes. We've been on the verge of flipping for a while now and every election cycle we inch that much closer despite Republicans enacting stricter, more oppressive voting laws that hurt left-leaning demographics. I think the nail in the coffin for Texas politics to me was the recent US House special election in TX-34 where despite Biden winning it by 13 in 2020, it just elected a Republican by almost eight points If we fail to vote Abbott out after his appalling response to children dying in Uvalde, then the state is officially too far gone for me and I'll start looking at where we can move to.
I'm surprised they don't arrest people for trying to leave. They want to do it when folks inevitably go out of state to get abortions, once they throw women's healthcare back to the 20th century.
Good luck! Shit.
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On June 17 2022 09:29 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2022 09:19 StasisField wrote:On June 17 2022 08:43 plasmidghost wrote:On June 17 2022 08:34 StasisField wrote:
I hope Beto can keep gaining ground and win the race. Living in this conservative hellhole is feeling less and less like an option for me and my girlfriend as time passes. We've been on the verge of flipping for a while now and every election cycle we inch that much closer despite Republicans enacting stricter, more oppressive voting laws that hurt left-leaning demographics. I think the nail in the coffin for Texas politics to me was the recent US House special election in TX-34 where despite Biden winning it by 13 in 2020, it just elected a Republican by almost eight points If we fail to vote Abbott out after his appalling response to children dying in Uvalde, then the state is officially too far gone for me and I'll start looking at where we can move to. I'm surprised they don't arrest people for trying to leave. They want to do it when folks inevitably go out of state to get abortions, once they throw women's healthcare back to the 20th century. Good luck! Shit.
Well yeah. It's great if they take their radical liberal values and get out of the state, but they want to have those values, exercise their beliefs that harm no one while outside the state, and come back to Texas? Lock 'em up and throw away the key! /s
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On June 17 2022 08:43 plasmidghost wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2022 08:34 StasisField wrote:
I hope Beto can keep gaining ground and win the race. Living in this conservative hellhole is feeling less and less like an option for me and my girlfriend as time passes. We've been on the verge of flipping for a while now and every election cycle we inch that much closer despite Republicans enacting stricter, more oppressive voting laws that hurt left-leaning demographics. I think the nail in the coffin for Texas politics to me was the recent US House special election in TX-34 where despite Biden winning it by 13 in 2020, it just elected a Republican by almost eight points
and don't forget the fun parts, this district voted for Clinton (and I think Obama) by 20%. And the Republican is (will be) the first member of congress born in Mexico too, for an extra bit of amusement. Beto is more likely to lose by double digits than by 5%.
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There are few things that showcase how incompetent democrats are more than how they handle/understand Latinos. Latinos will be the force that brings republicans into a majority.
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On June 17 2022 12:37 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2022 08:43 plasmidghost wrote:On June 17 2022 08:34 StasisField wrote:
I hope Beto can keep gaining ground and win the race. Living in this conservative hellhole is feeling less and less like an option for me and my girlfriend as time passes. We've been on the verge of flipping for a while now and every election cycle we inch that much closer despite Republicans enacting stricter, more oppressive voting laws that hurt left-leaning demographics. I think the nail in the coffin for Texas politics to me was the recent US House special election in TX-34 where despite Biden winning it by 13 in 2020, it just elected a Republican by almost eight points and don't forget the fun parts, this district voted for Clinton (and I think Obama) by 20%. And the Republican is (will be) the first member of congress born in Mexico too, for an extra bit of amusement. Beto is more likely to lose by double digits than by 5%.
One thing that baffled me was that I went to the Dem candidate's website and there was literally not a single policy position on there. I had to go to the Texas Tribune to find out that as I thought, he was some conservative Dem that so many in the country rightfully hate. I 100% believe that if a progressive Dem ran, they would've won
I don't think Beto loses by double-digits. Most people I speak to here are tired of Abbott, and many of them are straight-ticket Republican voters. And on that note, a potential outcome of this election cycle is that since the Texas GOP got rid of straight-ticket voting in any election, that could come back to bite Abbott in the ass. One other thing about Beto that I've heard from conservatives like my family and old classmates and teachers is that they don't really see him as a DC Democrat, even though he's pretty much ideologically in line with them.
I look at past trends in election cycles, including when Beto ran against Ted Cruz in 2018, and at this point in the election cycle, the polls were about the same. I think ultimately that he will put up a great fight and get within 4 points
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On June 17 2022 14:01 Mohdoo wrote:
There are few things that showcase how incompetent democrats are more than how they handle/understand Latinos. Latinos will be the force that brings republicans into a majority.
Yep. I remember during 2020 when Democrats didn't even start putting national attention on South Texas until like a week before the election, and it's really reinforced that the national Dems by and large do not understand Texas Latinos, or Latinos anywhere, for that matter. A lot of my Latino friends here have said that they do not feel represented or even cared about by the Dems in Congress, with their two main reasons being that the Dems do not bother reaching out to them and that the Dems are nowhere near as progressive as them.
I don't get super irrationally angry about politics much anymore but I forever get furious at DC Dems for how they treat Texans as a whole, looking down on us with such scorn and contempt and rarely ever trying to actually listen to us and support us. And should we go red this cycle like we most likely will, they'll have no one but themselves to blame
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United States42817 Posts
Voters who vote Republican are 100% to blame for voting Republican. They’re the party of naked unashamed fascism. The Democrats suck but no amount of Democratic shittiness makes voting Republican ever a morally defensible choice. They’re two separate issues.
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Jesus fuck, even Dan Crenshaw, a guy that voted with Trump and the GOP like 95% of the time, isn't far-right enough. Fun times in Texas politics...
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Funny they mention McCain, who was a pretty archetypical example of what a Republican was. Trump dragged the party off the deep end, to the point where they wasted no time spitting on his grave. He didn't constantly act out of fear of being rejected from the GOP groupthink, so he was therefore a RINO who they ridicule, even in death. But then it's gauche if anyone else expresses any kind of negativity when a Republican dies. Only they can shit on their dead.
It really goes to show what the Overton window is all about, and exactly how the Republican party has changed. Or, I guess it's more appropriate to say how far their mask has slipped.
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Those damn face eating leopards are at it again!
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I disagree with that assessment of McCain, he was always a part of the moderate wing, even before 2000 when he ran against Bush for the GOP nomination. He liked to style himself as a "maverick" (as people may recall from the 2008 campaign) who was known for constantly bucking his party and willingness to compromise. McCain was a good example of a certain type of Republican, he was not a personified version of Republicanism. But Democrats always like the previous Republican who they hated at the time (like they did with McCain) only when he's no longer a threat and can be used bash whoever they need to at the moment. McCain was called all sorts of things back when he had influence. The retcon is so strong I sometimes think the people engaged in it don't even know they are doing it.
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So this attack was because the guy supports trying to stop Putin?
How long is going to take for people to realize Trump (and his fans) and Putin are working together, on the same team?
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On June 19 2022 14:14 Introvert wrote:
I disagree with that assessment of McCain, he was always a part of the moderate wing, even before 2000 when he ran against Bush for the GOP nomination. He liked to style himself as a "maverick" (as people may recall from the 2008 campaign) who was known for constantly bucking his party and willingness to compromise. McCain was a good example of a certain type of Republican, he was not a personified version of Republicanism. But Democrats always like the previous Republican who they hated at the time (like they did with McCain) only when he's no longer a threat and can be used bash whoever they need to at the moment. McCain was called all sorts of things back when he had influence. The retcon is so strong I sometimes think the people engaged in it don't even know they are doing it. McCain earned a lot of good will from Democrats for saving the ACA (or atleast getting the credit for saving it, there were other Republicans who voted against the repeal)
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On June 19 2022 14:14 Introvert wrote:
I disagree with that assessment of McCain, he was always a part of the moderate wing, even before 2000 when he ran against Bush for the GOP nomination. He liked to style himself as a "maverick" (as people may recall from the 2008 campaign) who was known for constantly bucking his party and willingness to compromise. McCain was a good example of a certain type of Republican, he was not a personified version of Republicanism. But Democrats always like the previous Republican who they hated at the time (like they did with McCain) only when he's no longer a threat and can be used bash whoever they need to at the moment. McCain was called all sorts of things back when he had influence. The retcon is so strong I sometimes think the people engaged in it don't even know they are doing it.
Democrats prefer the previous republican because republicans somehow manage to get worse and worse.
That is it. In the context of a Trump, McCain is pretty good. On his own, he is still not someone you want in power.
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Northern Ireland25506 Posts
On June 19 2022 14:14 Introvert wrote:
I disagree with that assessment of McCain, he was always a part of the moderate wing, even before 2000 when he ran against Bush for the GOP nomination. He liked to style himself as a "maverick" (as people may recall from the 2008 campaign) who was known for constantly bucking his party and willingness to compromise. McCain was a good example of a certain type of Republican, he was not a personified version of Republicanism. But Democrats always like the previous Republican who they hated at the time (like they did with McCain) only when he's no longer a threat and can be used bash whoever they need to at the moment. McCain was called all sorts of things back when he had influence. The retcon is so strong I sometimes think the people engaged in it don't even know they are doing it.
I’m sure he was, I still recall a certain amount of respect for the man going way back. Didn’t extend to wanting him to win the Presidency sure, things got a bit more heated. Things like the McCain-Feingold Act were considered generally good ideas crossing the aisle if memory serves.
There is a general degree of retconning, but it’s not purely retconning, it is a gauge of how the GOP has shifted hence.
Margaret Thatcher didn’t get a similar soft gloved, changed appraisal from the left in this country when she passed because we haven’t had years of Tories that are worse versions of her.
Whereas past GOP adversaries, which they usually were are positively cuddly compared to what’s in front of us today. At least there was the sense of vaguely shared values with considerable divergence on the political means to achieve them. Politicians in short.
I’m unsure what common ground I could find with people who attacked someone like Crenshaw for not being republican enough.
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United States7316 Posts
Supreme Court coming after some Miranda rights. They’re going to chop away and away as time goes and no one has the balls to expand the Supreme Court or use power to aggressively stop it. Voting will definitely solve this though.
https://thehill.com/opinion/congress-blog/3517724-expected-reversal-of-miranda-requires-states-to-step-up-on-policing/amp/
This case, Vega v. Tekoh, asks whether a person’s federal constitutional rights are violated if a police officer fails to inform them of their rights to remain silent, to be represented by an attorney, and to be protected against self-incrimination whenever the person is subjected to a custodial interrogation by the police. These warnings, known as Miranda warnings after the 1966 Supreme Court case that first prescribed them, have become critical protections against coercive police interrogations and are routinely recited by officers whenever they make arrests or question suspects in custody.
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On June 19 2022 17:47 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2022 14:14 Introvert wrote:
I disagree with that assessment of McCain, he was always a part of the moderate wing, even before 2000 when he ran against Bush for the GOP nomination. He liked to style himself as a "maverick" (as people may recall from the 2008 campaign) who was known for constantly bucking his party and willingness to compromise. McCain was a good example of a certain type of Republican, he was not a personified version of Republicanism. But Democrats always like the previous Republican who they hated at the time (like they did with McCain) only when he's no longer a threat and can be used bash whoever they need to at the moment. McCain was called all sorts of things back when he had influence. The retcon is so strong I sometimes think the people engaged in it don't even know they are doing it. McCain earned a lot of good will from Democrats for saving the ACA (or atleast getting the credit for saving it, there were other Republicans who voted against the repeal)
This is kind of my point. Is McCain an "archetypal" Republican if he regularly did stuff like that?
But at least the people on the right who didn't like him always didn't, they didn't go from calling him a bloodthirsty warmonger to now pining for the days of the "regular" Republican. That's another one of things Democrats/the media do that drives Republicans crazy. It's never just "someone we we disagree with" it's unrepentant character assassination one year (say, the two men who dared to run against Obama!) to pretending they were ok the next. See also: Liz Cheney. In fact, to use a tired phrase that's how you got Trump. Or at least a big part if it.
So no, people here are still doing it.
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On June 19 2022 22:52 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2022 17:47 Gorsameth wrote:On June 19 2022 14:14 Introvert wrote:
I disagree with that assessment of McCain, he was always a part of the moderate wing, even before 2000 when he ran against Bush for the GOP nomination. He liked to style himself as a "maverick" (as people may recall from the 2008 campaign) who was known for constantly bucking his party and willingness to compromise. McCain was a good example of a certain type of Republican, he was not a personified version of Republicanism. But Democrats always like the previous Republican who they hated at the time (like they did with McCain) only when he's no longer a threat and can be used bash whoever they need to at the moment. McCain was called all sorts of things back when he had influence. The retcon is so strong I sometimes think the people engaged in it don't even know they are doing it. McCain earned a lot of good will from Democrats for saving the ACA (or atleast getting the credit for saving it, there were other Republicans who voted against the repeal) This is kind of my point. Is McCain an "archetypal" Republican if he regularly did stuff like that? But at least the people on the right who didn't like him always didn't, they didn't go from calling him a bloodthirsty warmonger to now pining for the days of the "regular" Republican. That's another one of things Democrats/the media do that drives Republicans crazy. It's never just "someone we we disagree with" it's unrepentant character assassination one year (say, the two men who dared to run against Obama!) to pretending they were ok the next. See also: Liz Cheney. In fact, to use a tired phrase that's how you got Trump. Or at least a big part if it. So no, people here are still doing it.
My dear friend, this is massive projection again. The GOP is king of mudslinging. They somehow turned Joe Biden, who is basically a boring conservative, into a socialist somehow. Also, see fucking "Her Emails", "Remember Ben Ghazi!".
Yes, we (or at least I) didn't like McCain back then. But I still prefer McCain to the current republicans. The point of the matter is that you simply manage to get worse and worse every year, and in contrast to what is going on now, the bad from 15 years ago still sounds okay.
This is the shift of perspective that you notice. In comparison to the regressive clowns and fascists that you send out now, the basic evil corporate conservatives sound good.
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