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Now that we have a new thread, in order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a complete and thorough read before posting!

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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35154 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-14 19:19:08
June 14 2022 19:18 GMT
#73441
Delete the ? and everything after it.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
June 14 2022 19:19 GMT
#73442
On June 15 2022 04:16 WombaT wrote:
AOC’s rationale here seems ‘slightly’ different from that previous source’s take

*PS how do some of you wizards directly embed stuff from Twitter




testing - I removed the stuff after the question mark '?' in the URL, and just dumped the link into the post

https://twitter.com/RepAOC/status/1519687572905152512
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4730 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-15 08:47:33
June 15 2022 08:43 GMT
#73443
Like lol? You guys are dodging the question. She voted against the bill. It was wildely reported, thet fact that You do not trust this particualr site (which I googled BTW, because I needed a source) has nothing to do with fact, that she sided with Putin and his war, against bipartisan bill.

@Lmui
Yeah. Thats the sort of murky explanation I am not buying.
Eat the Rich, just not the Russian oligarchs...
Pathetic Greta hater.
EnDeR_
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Spain2700 Posts
June 15 2022 08:55 GMT
#73444
On June 15 2022 17:43 Silvanel wrote:
Like lol? You guys are dodging the question. She voted against the bill. It was wildely reported, thet fact that You do not trust this particualr site (which I googled BTW, because I needed a source) has nothing to do with fact, that she sided with Putin and his war, against bipartisan bill.

@Lmui
Yeah. Thats the sort of murky explanation I am not buying.
Eat the Rich, just not the Russian oligarchs...


It is certainly a weird bill to take a stand on, agree on that. I mean, any time you are voting with Magic The Gathering you really should check if you're doing the right thing.

I think on the whole AOC is quite charismatic and the sort of representative we should have a lot more of, I mean, at least she's familiar with what regular people have to deal with. Wasn't there a rep that thought that flats in NY cost $100k?
estás más desubicao q un croissant en un plato de nécoras
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-15 12:30:13
June 15 2022 12:27 GMT
#73445
I don't think being against the seizing of property belonging to Russian oligarchs is necessarily in favor of Putin and his war. I think that explanation makes sense, trying to maintain some integrity to the 4th amendment, when we were literally just talking about a SCOTUS ruling that put it in jeopardy, I think it's definitely an issue, just one that isn't a headliner like the attacks on Ukraine. It's possible to still believe that Russia's leadership needs to get hammered financially, without thinking we should resort to taking their property. If we're trying to maintain some semblance of order and due process, there are both optics and precedent that are a little dangerous there.

Do I think MTG and the other Republicans are thinking on those lines? Probably not. But just because they find it useful to stoke pro-Putin sentiment doesn't mean that AOC and her peers do, too.

FWIW, I don't even necessarily disagree with the seizing of Russian assets, as an attempt to do whatever possible to dissuade them from invading Ukraine. I just don't think it's such a clear cut issue that now AOC is a Putin shill. I don't think that's a solid take.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
June 15 2022 14:54 GMT
#73446
Not to distract from other conversations, but I wanted to share something we did in Houston. Our current and previous mayors have spun up a housing-first strategy to reduce the number of people homeless by as much as we can by giving them housing with no stipulations (from what I can gather) and it's worked wonders so far, not just from a moral perspective (which I absolutely think is far more important), but from an economic perspective as well.

During the last decade, Houston, the nation’s fourth most populous city, has moved more than 25,000 homeless people directly into apartments and houses. The overwhelming majority of them have remained housed after two years. The number of people deemed homeless in the Houston region has been cut by 63 percent since 2011, according to the latest numbers from local officials. Even judging by the more modest metrics registered in a 2020 federal report, Houston did more than twice as well as the rest of the country at reducing homelessness over the previous decade. Ten years ago, homeless veterans, one of the categories that the federal government tracks, waited 720 days and had to navigate 76 bureaucratic steps to get from the street into permanent housing with support from social service counselors. Today, a streamlined process means the wait for housing is 32 days.

Houston has gotten this far by teaming with county agencies and persuading scores of local service providers, corporations and charitable nonprofits — organizations that often bicker and compete with one another — to row in unison. Together, they’ve gone all in on “housing first,” a practice, supported by decades of research, that moves the most vulnerable people straight from the streets into apartments, not into shelters, and without first requiring them to wean themselves off drugs or complete a 12-step program or find God or a job.

...

A decade ago, Houston had one of the highest per capita homeless counts in the country. Its homeless response system was in shambles. The city was squandering millions of public dollars and police officers’ time by jailing homeless Houstonians for intoxication. Residents living on the streets, under bridges and along the bayous were using ambulances to get basic medical care because they had no other way to do so.

...

Economists disagree about how to measure the costs of housing first to taxpayers. Estimates point to significant savings — from $4,800 to more than $60,000 per year per person in supportive housing. But advocates contend that programs to reduce homelessness should not be measured by whether they save taxpayers money, particularly given that government subsidies are heavily tilted toward homeowners.


The New York Times article in the tweet isn't paywalled and is very lengthy.

Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25506 Posts
June 15 2022 18:52 GMT
#73447
On June 15 2022 17:43 Silvanel wrote:
Like lol? You guys are dodging the question. She voted against the bill. It was wildely reported, thet fact that You do not trust this particualr site (which I googled BTW, because I needed a source) has nothing to do with fact, that she sided with Putin and his war, against bipartisan bill.

@Lmui
Yeah. Thats the sort of murky explanation I am not buying.
Eat the Rich, just not the Russian oligarchs...

It’s almost exclusively the 1st and 2nd amendments most prevalent in invocation political discourse, there are other amendments.

If AOC and the squad have made violations of the 4th amendment a pretty decent chunk of their platform, it would be incongruous to just drop that when it’s expedient to do so.

That’s how inalienable rights stop becoming inalienable. We’ve already seen how this goes in the post 9/11 era where ‘emergency’ legislation to deal with terrorism were, by a huge margin used to prosecute good old regular criminals.

These were oligarchs the West was perfectly happy to do business with in the three decades post the collapse of the Soviet Union, London isn’t disparagingly called ‘Little Moscow’ for no reason.

I don’t think it was necessarily the wisest position to take given current political winds, I wouldn’t personally slam AOC for it given the aforementioned. I’m sure many will but hey.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-15 21:02:18
June 15 2022 19:34 GMT
#73448
May the BeSt man win.
Kyadytim
Profile Joined March 2009
United States886 Posts
June 15 2022 19:51 GMT
#73449
I'm not surprised that someone arguing against the left wing thinks that standing up for principles and following the law even when it's inconvenient and gets in the way of a politician's objectives is something that should turn voters away from that politician
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10568 Posts
June 15 2022 19:56 GMT
#73450
Her rationale for her vote seems pretty solid. It's not a flaw to take more into consideration when voting on a bill than just whether it is pro or anti putin
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 16 2022 02:22 GMT
#73451
--- Nuked ---
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
June 16 2022 02:35 GMT
#73452
Well, "family values TM" has been contorted to mean basically anything that isn't a Baby Murdering Democrat. Much like Critical Race Theory now means anything that even obliquely mentions or relates to race, as opposed to a specialized field of graduate social studies. Who needs the Olympics?
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 16 2022 21:58 GMT
#73453
--- Nuked ---
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25506 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-16 22:32:28
June 16 2022 22:32 GMT
#73454
On June 17 2022 06:58 JimmiC wrote:
This is an all time dumb tweet. GOP congressman thought that CNN actually removed a statue to build a deks for Jan 6th coverage. I wonder if he thinks the dinosaurs in jurassic park are real?

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/gop-congressman-deletes-unbelievably-dumb-192325245.html

They’re not sending their best…
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-16 22:52:18
June 16 2022 22:50 GMT
#73455
Update on the Texas gubernatorial race polls. TL;DR is that a new Quinnipiac University poll has Greg Abbott at 48% and Beto O'Rourke at 43%, a pretty big tightening of the race from Quinnipiac's last poll in December, when Abbott led 53-38. Do I think Beto will win? At the moment, no, but that may very well change.

A new Quinnipiac University poll released Wednesday shows the Texas gubernatorial race has tightened between Gov. Greg Abbott and Democratic nominee Beto O’Rourke in the wake of the mass shooting in a Uvalde elementary school where 19 children and two adults were killed.

The poll, the first to come out since the May 24 shooting, found that 48% of registered Texas voters polled prefer Abbott while 43% prefer O’Rourke. That has narrowed slightly from a December Quinnipiac poll in which 52% of the registered voters who responded said they would vote for Abbott, versus 37% who chose O’Rourke.

“The race tightens,” Quinnipiac University polling analyst Tim Malloy said in a press release Wednesday. “Abbott, considered strong on leadership, slips. O’Rourke, considered long on empathy, rides the momentum of support from women and young Texans in the horse race to Austin.”


https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/15/poll-abbott-beto-orourke-uvalde/
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 16 2022 22:54 GMT
#73456
--- Nuked ---
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
June 16 2022 23:07 GMT
#73457
On June 17 2022 07:50 plasmidghost wrote:
Do I think Beto will win? At the moment, no, but that may very well change.

The best way to sound like a senator speaking to the press is to ask yourself a question that nobody knows the answer to and then answer yourself ;-)
May the BeSt man win.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
June 16 2022 23:15 GMT
#73458
On June 17 2022 08:07 Djabanete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2022 07:50 plasmidghost wrote:
Do I think Beto will win? At the moment, no, but that may very well change.

The best way to sound like a senator speaking to the press is to ask yourself a question that nobody knows the answer to and then answer yourself ;-)

I have learned well from American politics lmao
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
June 16 2022 23:34 GMT
#73459
I hope Beto can keep gaining ground and win the race. Living in this conservative hellhole is feeling less and less like an option for me and my girlfriend as time passes. We've been on the verge of flipping for a while now and every election cycle we inch that much closer despite Republicans enacting stricter, more oppressive voting laws that hurt left-leaning demographics.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
June 16 2022 23:43 GMT
#73460
On June 17 2022 08:34 StasisField wrote:
I hope Beto can keep gaining ground and win the race. Living in this conservative hellhole is feeling less and less like an option for me and my girlfriend as time passes. We've been on the verge of flipping for a while now and every election cycle we inch that much closer despite Republicans enacting stricter, more oppressive voting laws that hurt left-leaning demographics.

I think the nail in the coffin for Texas politics to me was the recent US House special election in TX-34 where despite Biden winning it by 13 in 2020, it just elected a Republican by almost eight points
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
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