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KwarK
United States43598 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14104 Posts
Anyone around during the 2016 election will tell you about r/the_donald that did a lot I think for trumps election prospects. Aoc would have that and a lot more. Youtube tictoks Instagram everything would have a dedicated base to make things go viral on demand. I mean heck I would hope she knows about soccer and the ability to leverage supporters groups as grassroots organizers. That's a basic thing done in every nation that has that. | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2645 Posts
On June 14 2022 07:10 plasmidghost wrote: AOC has the name recognition but my concerns are just how much the GOP will throw at her, even if it's complete bullshit, to get people to not vote for her, especially if they just repeatedly call her a communist or something This is kind of how I see it, yeah. Ideally I expect intelligence and knowledge to be assets, but realistically I don't have any faith that those things are valued. There doesn't have to be truth to claims of communism or whatever for them to be damaging, and any female on a podium is gonna be suffering an uphill battle already. Even if AOC were to offer perfect logical rebuttals to the claims, it wouldn't matter because it's more a stage performance than a proper debate, and the judges are literally your average citizen. | ||
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Azuzu
United States340 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On June 14 2022 08:46 Fleetfeet wrote: This is kind of how I see it, yeah. Ideally I expect intelligence and knowledge to be assets, but realistically I don't have any faith that those things are valued. There doesn't have to be truth to claims of communism or whatever for them to be damaging, and any female on a podium is gonna be suffering an uphill battle already. Even if AOC were to offer perfect logical rebuttals to the claims, it wouldn't matter because it's more a stage performance than a proper debate, and the judges are literally your average citizen. Just feel like it's this kind of mentality that got us Joe Biden who nobody seems to be happy with. Being afraid of the ridiculous lies that Republicans are sure to tell seems like the wrong strategy at this point. Yes the vitriol would be turned up to the nth degree with her being a hispanic woman and genuine progressive, but that merely matches what is happening across the country to minorities, LBGTQ, women, etc. But again I feel the battle is already lost with Republicans being allowed to take partisan control of state elections, control the judicial system, and successfully block nearly all progressive legislation while they were minority party. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26265 Posts
Ok the countries and individuals are different, albeit broadly comparable, but there’s a universe where this happens. Internal party politicking will derail whatever momentum that push could have had, such sabotage will be seen as evidence that a progressive can’t win, so the next candidate is a milquetoast centrist who also can’t win. Or if they can win they can’t govern, a la a Biden | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2645 Posts
On June 14 2022 12:02 Starlightsun wrote: Just feel like it's this kind of mentality that got us Joe Biden who nobody seems to be happy with. Being afraid of the ridiculous lies that Republicans are sure to tell seems like the wrong strategy at this point. Yes the vitriol would be turned up to the nth degree with her being a hispanic woman and genuine progressive, but that merely matches what is happening across the country to minorities, LBGTQ, women, etc. But again I feel the battle is already lost with Republicans being allowed to take partisan control of state elections, control the judicial system, and successfully block nearly all progressive legislation while they were minority party. I don't think the vitriol would be turned up at all, I just think it's more likely to stick to a female hispanic candidate and sway people away from voting for her because sexism and racism are real problems in the US. From my outside perspective the US is fucked and the fact that the battles currently being fought are over women's bodily autonomy, police reform so as to not have an inherently racist police institution, and whether or not the former president staging a coup is bad... those are all telling signs that major reform needs to happen, and I don't trust the population to vote in someone to fix these problems, because that same population can't seem to agree that they're problems. Honestly in the last 5 years I've just been pretty glad to not be a US citizen. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14104 Posts
On June 14 2022 11:09 gobbledydook wrote: AOC would not be able to win a national election, she is too far to the left. Probably win California and New York and lose the rest in a landslide. Tell me the right is afraid of AOC without telling me the right is afraid of AOC. People said much worse about trumps chances in the republican party before the primary. The problem is that the dems have to nominate someone whos interested in fighting for the causes everyone in their base is interested in. Even if its a vice presidential nod AOC at least can interest a lot of the infrastructure that they need to get a turnout that would change the math of 4 years of biden. Yet another kneecapping of the progressive wing for someone that thinks republicans can be reasoned with still will just result in another 2016. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10138 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11752 Posts
On June 14 2022 12:02 Starlightsun wrote: Just feel like it's this kind of mentality that got us Joe Biden who nobody seems to be happy with. Being afraid of the ridiculous lies that Republicans are sure to tell seems like the wrong strategy at this point. Yes the vitriol would be turned up to the nth degree with her being a hispanic woman and genuine progressive, but that merely matches what is happening across the country to minorities, LBGTQ, women, etc. But again I feel the battle is already lost with Republicans being allowed to take partisan control of state elections, control the judicial system, and successfully block nearly all progressive legislation while they were minority party. Also, it is not as if the gop wouldn't throw all of those ridiculous lies at whoever is the democrat candidate. See Clinton, Biden. Two of the most milquetoast centrist candidates possible, and still the republican lie machine painted them as basically socialist devils. And yeah, i kind of sadly agree. I don't see any way to safe the US. It is really sad to see a country spiral downward so hard, but there simply does not seem to be any interest in fixing anything among the people with the tower to do. There is one party who runs on barely maintaining the status quo, and one that run on implementing fascism. And fascism seems to be mostly winning. Decades of propaganda, brainwashing and making education worse are finally paying of. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35170 Posts
On June 14 2022 12:17 WombaT wrote: Would moderates vote for AOC? I think you only have to look at the last Corbyn run in the U.K. so see how that would go. Ok the countries and individuals are different, albeit broadly comparable, but there’s a universe where this happens. Internal party politicking will derail whatever momentum that push could have had, such sabotage will be seen as evidence that a progressive can’t win, so the next candidate is a milquetoast centrist who also can’t win. Or if they can win they can’t govern, a la a Biden Conveniently, we can tell them "vote blue no matter who." | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35170 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11752 Posts
They will spew exactly the same amount of vitriol at any democrat candidate. Which is all of it. They will call any candidate any name, will make up any problem and lie about anything to make up a "scandal". | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On June 14 2022 22:26 JimmiC wrote: I'm not worried about them calling her one, I'm concerned about her calling herself one as well as a communist. Despite what you read online, when it comes to voting in the US even "progressive" does not poll well in most places. In large part because youngish people go online and ton and barely vote. A lot of progressive candidates did win their primaries this cycle, so that could be representative of change | ||
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