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On June 12 2022 05:23 micronesia wrote:
There's a difference between thinking nothing substantial will come of the House investigation into Jan 6th and thinking the the House definitely shouldn't be doing the investigation/hearings. The former I'm okay with, whether or not I personally agree. The latter is silly. Major crimes against the United States were committed; let the facts get identified and compiled to the House's content.
And if nothing else, enough dirt and testimony gets released, Trump will inevitably lash out at those close to him and he will alienate many. Barr already out of his group, but now Ivanka etc. Let the great division of the GOP begin. Trump and his cronies and the grifters will splinter off.
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On June 12 2022 06:05 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2022 05:32 Husyelt wrote:On June 12 2022 05:23 micronesia wrote:
There's a difference between thinking nothing substantial will come of the House investigation into Jan 6th and thinking the the House definitely shouldn't be doing the investigation/hearings. The former I'm okay with, whether or not I personally agree. The latter is silly. Major crimes against the United States were committed; let the facts get identified and compiled to the House's content. And if nothing else, enough dirt and testimony gets released, Trump will inevitably lash out at those close to him and he will alienate many. Barr already out of his group, but now Ivanka etc. Let the great division of the GOP begin. Trump and his cronies and the grifters will splinter off. Wait until him and DeSantis go at in the primary.
Oops, All RINO's
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It is interesting to think about, since apparently the core platform required to be a Republican is whether people call you a Republican. As soon as folks decide you're not a Republican you're just not a Republican anymore. In the event that Trump's ego demands he run for president again, it could be interesting. Or horrifying. I think it's just as likely that he takes a backseat and endorses his favorite candidate, a la Dr. Oz.
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On June 12 2022 06:56 NewSunshine wrote:
It is interesting to think about, since apparently the core platform required to be a Republican is whether people call you a Republican. As soon as folks decide you're not a Republican you're just not a Republican anymore. In the event that Trump's ego demands he run for president again, it could be interesting. Or horrifying. I think it's just as likely that he takes a backseat and endorses his favorite candidate, a la Dr. Oz.
Noway, if there's one thing we know about Trump, is that his ego matters more than anything else
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On June 12 2022 05:08 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2022 04:54 Zambrah wrote:On June 12 2022 04:42 JimmiC wrote:On June 12 2022 04:38 Zambrah wrote:On June 12 2022 04:00 Sermokala wrote:They still think its funny or was ever funny. I'm hoping they keep using it so we can identify those types in the wild without having to waste time seeing if they can be reasoned with. On June 12 2022 03:59 Zambrah wrote:On June 12 2022 03:39 LegalLord wrote:
In a pinch, I suppose we can accept investigations into Jan 6th and a load of excuses for inaction on inflation in place of Brandon actually doing his job and solving the hard problems. It's an important quality of life aspect to make sure that some Congressional committee or other is busy with making sure a perception still remains that Trump and his associates are going to be behind bars right after this latest round of hearings and such. It’s definitely the top priority for America’s well being to make sure Trump looks worse than he already does, many minds will be changed and much action will be taken. Assuming by action you mean making Trump look worse to people who already don’t like him. That kind of true accountability is hard to come by and we should be grateful for this investigation and all of the consequences it will absolutely bring. Its a pretty easy identifier between the radials and the moderates when you have clear and available information and an explanation on what happened. If anyone supports trump after this you don't have to hem or haw if they're a fascist or not. No, the point where it became clear they were fascists is immediately after Trump did this and they voted not to remove him from office, every last ounce of this stupid useless waste of time after they failed to actually pursue consequences has served no practical purpose. If anyone was on the fucking fence after Jan 6th they’re a brain dead moron. There is no other explanation. The point is to get it all out on public record so 15-20 years from now people can't claim they did not know. Who gives a shit if people know, we all saw the video of the footage basically as it was happening, at this point “knowing” means fuck all. What’s the point of knowing the identity and location and victims of a serial killer if you don’t actually stop them from serial killing? Because right now is not the only time that matters? At some point in the not too distant future Trump will be dead and then people will have another opportunity to decide if they want to live in the real world or whoever takes over his cult of stupidity. You act like complaining about things out of your control is some sort of strategy, wtf does it accomplish?
What does this Jan 6th committee hearing have to do with the future where Trump is dead? The question of whether or not people want to live in Fascy Trumpland has been asked and answered, everyone who is okay with Jan 6th is okay with living in Fascy Trumpland, that question is not coming down the line it came and went and got answered.
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Zambrah I think you're being a little short sighted here. Getting all the documentation together to show something took place, it was illegal, and that people ought to be punished for it, is worthwhile. Even an attempt at accountability is worthwhile. I don't think you can really say there is no value here.
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On June 12 2022 09:52 Mohdoo wrote:
Zambrah I think you're being a little short sighted here. Getting all the documentation together to show something took place, it was illegal, and that people ought to be punished for it, is worthwhile. Even an attempt at accountability is worthwhile. I don't think you can really say there is no value here.
Im missing what there is thats appreciably new that we couldnt have gathered over a year ago when the event actually took place and when there was an opportunity to firmly quash the idea that democracy in the US could be so directly threatened by insurrection.
The US went all Thoughts and Prayers on January 6th, giving it time to fade from public consciousness and for us to basically move on, the people who incited a fucking insurrection got to get away with it, Trump didnt even fucking face social consequences let alone any institutional consequences.
Unless this new thing ends with him and all of his little friends in jail for the rest of their miserable lives then it was meaningles and we're only going to be waiting for DeSantis, or whoever comes after to complete the task and we'll all ask, "where did we go wrong," and this is going to be one of the many, many instances that tell the tale of why the US shit itself down the toilet.
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I give a shit that Trump faces real responsibility, I dont give a shit if a newspaper runs an article that says hes an egomaniac.
If hes allowed to live the rest of his life outside of prison then the US has failed to safeguard its democracy, the core of the fucking legitimacy of US government is permanently cracked and waiting for the next douche with a hammer to shatter it.
I should mention that article indicates that people don't actually care, they "care" in the same way that Republicans "care" about gun violence, just enough to offer thoughts and prayers and then sweep it under the rug because boy howdy is it inconvenient to potentially try to hold anyone accountable! They care, they super promise, but we have to stop obsessing over January 6th and move on, Trump is an ego maniac and bad but we have to move on from him trying to fucking subvert democracy.
Thats not caring, its fucking trying to protect the fragile veneer that the US is okay via aggressive apathy. Its fucking pathetic.
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the jan 6 committee has potential to do plenty and it's that potential that already makes it worth it in my opinion. It has the potential to sway more voters from the GOP. It has the potential to remind voters why they came out in droves to kick him and his cronies out right before the midterms. It has the potential to reveal damning documents that lead to indictments. It even has the potential to lead to convictions. Even if none of that happens, it is worth trying. Doing something is far better than doing nothing at all when our fucking democracy is at stake.
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In an ideal world where democrats force Joe not to run for president in 2024, who do we hope for? Right now Newsom seems to be the closest we have to a good candidate. Democrats have zero options right now
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On June 13 2022 10:28 Mohdoo wrote:
In an ideal world where democrats force Joe not to run for president in 2024, who do we hope for? Right now Newsom seems to be the closest we have to a good candidate. Democrats have zero options right now
Pete Buttigieg is easily the best candidate.
Also, maybe big, maybe a nothing burger
https://twitter.com/hugolowell/status/1536150924397273090?s=21&t=nvdBEz26hQ5g21hvmSZJ0g
WASHINGTON (AP) — Members of the House committee investigating the Capitol attack said Sunday they uncovered enough evidence for the Justice Department to consider an unprecedented criminal indictment against Donald Trump for seeking to overturn the results of the 2020 election.
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Part of me feels like fuck it, AOC... but I feel like next president if they are Democrat is going to be completely hamstrung by Republican control of the government. They seem to have lost the fight over election, police, gun reform etc. Hard to feel much hope for the country at this point.
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On June 13 2022 12:23 JimmiC wrote:
Best hope is a Trump vs someone primary that gets so ugly that Trump calls them all Rinos and the Reps lose his wacky cult and have to try to actually govern, which raises the bar on what is acceptable from the Dems.
This is very likely. He's alienated or betrayed like 95% of his close advisors and colleagues. That's not something that usually ends well in politics. The tide is turning towards Desantis, or my hope, Haley. Trump's strict loyalty only really works for him on his rise in power / presidency. He lost the election, and many of the moderate support. It's all radicals now and true believers. I've predicted this for a while, he's got absolutely no shot at being the nominee. His only shot was to accept the election, fade away for a year, and then come out swinging at Biden for ruining the economy and inflation. Instead we are going to see more and more current people in power go against him due to the original sin of falsely claiming their was a "stolen election".
I'm hopeful for the future honestly, the mainstream cable networks are all losing sway and power amongst the youth. I also think social media hit its apex in influence and hype in politics. AOC is too young to run this year, but if she plays her cards right she will be a helluva candidate in 2028. I've really come around to liking her.
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