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On June 12 2022 01:31 Nick_54 wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/02/opinion/inflation-biden-congress.htmlGood article from Dem congressman Ro Khana on what Biden could do to help better fight inflation. Really needs to do something on this instead of blaming Putin and just sitting on his hands if they don't want to be destroyed in November midterms. Then again, maybe thats all he's capable of at this point? To the guy saying they have a chance in the senate I don't think they have a chance in hell, but hoping to be wrong.
Paywall... could you summarize the main points perhaps.
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On June 12 2022 02:02 Nick_54 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2022 12:33 KwarK wrote:
Just as an addendum, they had the whole coup mapped out weeks in advance. Christopher Miller, acting Sec Def (unapproved by the Senate but who cares about the constitution), testified that he was ordered by Trump to ensure that the national guard did not interfere with the coup. He issued new orders on Jan 5 prohibiting the DC national guard from deploying without his authorization which, on Jan 6, he refused to give until after Trump already told the protestors to go home.
After Pence refused to overturn the election they replaced him. Chuck Grassley, the replacement president of the Senate when Pence wasn’t there, announced on Jan 5th that Pence wouldn’t be present for the tabulation of the votes and that he would step in for Pence. Grassley knew ahead of time that there would be some kind of event that would directly prevent Pence from doing his constitutional duty and that Grassley would be next in line. Grassley stated that he wouldn’t approve the electors Trump opposed.
It was a genuine conspiracy to overthrow democracy. These people knew the plan. When Mark Esper (prior Sec Def) refused to help Trump stay in power he was replaced. When the Senate wouldn’t approve the new appointee he just took the job anyway without constitutional authority and literally ordered the military to stand down. When Pence wouldn’t go along with it they set a mob on him but only after conspiring with his replacement.
If Pence hadn’t shown then the electoral votes wouldn’t have been tabulated and Biden wouldn’t have been elected. Pence only showed up (against the instructions of his secret service) because Dan Quayle told him that he had to. That’s why we still have democracy in America. Every Jan 6 we should get together and write Dan Quayle a “thank you” card or something.
Jan 6 wasn’t a riot or a demonstration or an out of control mob, it was a carefully planned conspiracy against American democracy that came within an inch of installing a fascist dictatorship and people are far too casual about that. It seems like you have researched this more than me, but when I look into it I see a lot of the same things you and others in this thread do. With all of this being true why in the hell is Trump not behind bars right now? Is it just impossible for an American politician goes to jail even he appears clearly guilty? This is part of the reason I've just become disenchanted with politics over the last few years. Seems like there are no consequences for anyone as long as the keep the breaks coming for the other 1%ers as the 99% continue to get screwed.
Trump could literally shoot someone in the head in the middle of the street and not go to jail because for Democrats and Republicans the only thing that truly matters is that they, and their rich and powerful sponsors and friends, be allowed to do whatever they want and maintain a life of excessive luxury and power.
Once one of the bastards goes down suddenly they all feel a little vulnerable and thats not something the corrupt shits of either party have much of a tolerance for.
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On June 12 2022 02:12 Starlightsun wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2022 01:31 Nick_54 wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/02/opinion/inflation-biden-congress.htmlGood article from Dem congressman Ro Khana on what Biden could do to help better fight inflation. Really needs to do something on this instead of blaming Putin and just sitting on his hands if they don't want to be destroyed in November midterms. Then again, maybe thats all he's capable of at this point? To the guy saying they have a chance in the senate I don't think they have a chance in hell, but hoping to be wrong. Paywall... could you summarize the main points perhaps.
"The most urgent goal of this task force would be to lower and stabilize short-term prices of volatile goods like food and fuel. We can do this through pre-emptive buying, a tool we’ve used since World War II. The Department of Agriculture should purchase essential food products on the global market during significant price dips, which often occur multiple times a month or even every week, and resell them cheaply to Americans. The department should contract with private wholesalers for distribution, as it has done for decades to avoid storage or logistical challenges. Because the government would be buying and selling large quantities of food when they are cheapest, this would lower and stabilize prices for key grocery store products within weeks."
A small snippet, he outlines a similar strategy for food and fuel as well as addresses the baby formula issue. Also talks about how just sitting back is not going to work.
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On June 12 2022 02:18 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2022 02:02 Nick_54 wrote:On June 11 2022 12:33 KwarK wrote:
Just as an addendum, they had the whole coup mapped out weeks in advance. Christopher Miller, acting Sec Def (unapproved by the Senate but who cares about the constitution), testified that he was ordered by Trump to ensure that the national guard did not interfere with the coup. He issued new orders on Jan 5 prohibiting the DC national guard from deploying without his authorization which, on Jan 6, he refused to give until after Trump already told the protestors to go home.
After Pence refused to overturn the election they replaced him. Chuck Grassley, the replacement president of the Senate when Pence wasn’t there, announced on Jan 5th that Pence wouldn’t be present for the tabulation of the votes and that he would step in for Pence. Grassley knew ahead of time that there would be some kind of event that would directly prevent Pence from doing his constitutional duty and that Grassley would be next in line. Grassley stated that he wouldn’t approve the electors Trump opposed.
It was a genuine conspiracy to overthrow democracy. These people knew the plan. When Mark Esper (prior Sec Def) refused to help Trump stay in power he was replaced. When the Senate wouldn’t approve the new appointee he just took the job anyway without constitutional authority and literally ordered the military to stand down. When Pence wouldn’t go along with it they set a mob on him but only after conspiring with his replacement.
If Pence hadn’t shown then the electoral votes wouldn’t have been tabulated and Biden wouldn’t have been elected. Pence only showed up (against the instructions of his secret service) because Dan Quayle told him that he had to. That’s why we still have democracy in America. Every Jan 6 we should get together and write Dan Quayle a “thank you” card or something.
Jan 6 wasn’t a riot or a demonstration or an out of control mob, it was a carefully planned conspiracy against American democracy that came within an inch of installing a fascist dictatorship and people are far too casual about that. It seems like you have researched this more than me, but when I look into it I see a lot of the same things you and others in this thread do. With all of this being true why in the hell is Trump not behind bars right now? Is it just impossible for an American politician goes to jail even he appears clearly guilty? This is part of the reason I've just become disenchanted with politics over the last few years. Seems like there are no consequences for anyone as long as the keep the breaks coming for the other 1%ers as the 99% continue to get screwed. Trump could literally shoot someone in the head in the middle of the street and not go to jail because for Democrats and Republicans the only thing that truly matters is that they, and their rich and powerful sponsors and friends, be allowed to do whatever they want and maintain a life of excessive luxury and power. Once one of the bastards goes down suddenly they all feel a little vulnerable and thats not something the corrupt shits of either party have much of a tolerance for.
Yeah the more I follow politics this is more what it seems like to me. Pretty fucking sickening.
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On June 12 2022 02:25 Nick_54 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2022 02:12 Starlightsun wrote:On June 12 2022 01:31 Nick_54 wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/02/opinion/inflation-biden-congress.htmlGood article from Dem congressman Ro Khana on what Biden could do to help better fight inflation. Really needs to do something on this instead of blaming Putin and just sitting on his hands if they don't want to be destroyed in November midterms. Then again, maybe thats all he's capable of at this point? To the guy saying they have a chance in the senate I don't think they have a chance in hell, but hoping to be wrong. Paywall... could you summarize the main points perhaps. "The most urgent goal of this task force would be to lower and stabilize short-term prices of volatile goods like food and fuel. We can do this through pre-emptive buying, a tool we’ve used since World War II. The Department of Agriculture should purchase essential food products on the global market during significant price dips, which often occur multiple times a month or even every week, and resell them cheaply to Americans. The department should contract with private wholesalers for distribution, as it has done for decades to avoid storage or logistical challenges. Because the government would be buying and selling large quantities of food when they are cheapest, this would lower and stabilize prices for key grocery store products within weeks." A small snippet, he outlines a similar strategy for food and fuel as well as addresses the baby formula issue. Also talks about how just sitting back is not going to work.
Affects corporate profits, aka not going to happen under Biden, lol. Can't put a damper on those record profits, Americans are just going to have to tighten their belts-wait not like that youre causing a recession!
We're going to hit a point where shit is too costly for too many core job's low ass wages at some point in the eventual future, lol. Not going to be able to squeeze any more drops of blood from the stone of the working class.
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On June 12 2022 01:31 Nick_54 wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/02/opinion/inflation-biden-congress.htmlGood article from Dem congressman Ro Khana on what Biden could do to help better fight inflation. Really needs to do something on this instead of blaming Putin and just sitting on his hands if they don't want to be destroyed in November midterms. Then again, maybe thats all he's capable of at this point? To the guy saying they have a chance in the senate I don't think they have a chance in hell, but hoping to be wrong.
The title is correct but the methods remain wishy-washy. At this point I see only two realistic options:
1. Hike interest rates enough that we slam the brakes on the economy, and on inflation, and work through a painful period of necessary deleveraging. Made doubly painful by that this is coming ten years too late to avoid the worst of the fallout from doing so.
2. If the administration is too cowardly to do (1), at least have some severe export quotas on the big inflation drivers - refined oil products, crude, natural gas, food, and coal. There is no excuse for sending record quantities of natural gas and diesel abroad to the benefit of only foreigners and corporations when the local population is suffering from a deep deficit of this stuff.
Instead of any serious action, it seems like all the Brandon administration is willing to do is find someone, anyone to blame for its own unwillingness to deal with the problem. Evidently even Democratic congresspersons in California see that this isn't good enough, but they can only break rank with the president by a smidge.
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On June 12 2022 01:44 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2022 01:21 Sermokala wrote:
But the court knows how much of a shit show congress is and that they will never make legislation on any sort of immigration reform. Them "punting it back to the legislative branch" is them saying in the meantime people don't get their 4th amendment rights. Agencies have no reason to fire someone if they know they won't get sued for something. The supreme court is a part of the government and they have the responsibility to understand that basic fact. They can't hide behind the fact of "its not our job to protect the constitution" when its literally their job to.
They know what they're doing and they're doing it anyway. Taking away women's rights over their bodies over an abdication of their responsibilities isn't a mistake for them. Taking away peoples rights near the border isn't a mistake for them just because no one can now be punished for violating those rights isn't a mistake for them. But this court ruling says nothing about sueing agencies (aka the government, aka the institution that the 4th amendment applies to). It is all about bringing a civil case against an individual border agent. Insofar as I understand it, Boule could sue the Border Police. As for your point about the SC knowing the Congress is a fucking mess and won't do shit... that's true, but that doesn't mean they can do anything about it. The division of power is quite clear and exists for a number of very good reasons. Turning the SC into the supreme legislative body instead of/in addition to the supreme judicial body is just an exceptionally bad idea. Sure, this is the SC telling Congress to get their shit together, but it's also telling the American people to get their shit together. Are your rights being eroded by Congress's inaction? Maybe do something about it rather than voting repeatedly for the same incompetent fuckheads that have been doing jack shit for the last 30(ish) years. And yes, because you have common law, the precedents serve as a form of weak(ish) rules that later courts use to guide their judgements. If you used civil law (as here) the courtcase would have been thrown about before it even started. There are absolutely no grounds here on which to sue a government employee for breaking your constitutional rights that protect you from government overreach. Sue the government (or rather, use one of the many other forms of getting this rectified by the government, because sueing should really be your last option, not your first).
I don't understand your reasoning. The division of power is not clear at all and has been violated clearly many times with no problem for the violators, that's how democracy works. Our rights are not being eroded by Congress they're literally being eroded by the court. No one is asking for the court to give out new rights they're asking them to recognize the rights that the constitution says we have.
And again I don't know why you think anyone would be justified in abandoning your responsibility to a body that you know what they'll do with the responsibilities you are giving them. You give a child a gun you are responsible for what that kid does with the gun. If the court wants to make itself irrelevant and powerless with no one giving a shit what they say they can do that. They can't at the same time act like people should respect them for their cowardess and betrayal of the oaths they swore.
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On June 12 2022 02:25 Nick_54 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2022 02:12 Starlightsun wrote:On June 12 2022 01:31 Nick_54 wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/02/opinion/inflation-biden-congress.htmlGood article from Dem congressman Ro Khana on what Biden could do to help better fight inflation. Really needs to do something on this instead of blaming Putin and just sitting on his hands if they don't want to be destroyed in November midterms. Then again, maybe thats all he's capable of at this point? To the guy saying they have a chance in the senate I don't think they have a chance in hell, but hoping to be wrong. Paywall... could you summarize the main points perhaps. "The most urgent goal of this task force would be to lower and stabilize short-term prices of volatile goods like food and fuel. We can do this through pre-emptive buying, a tool we’ve used since World War II. The Department of Agriculture should purchase essential food products on the global market during significant price dips, which often occur multiple times a month or even every week, and resell them cheaply to Americans. The department should contract with private wholesalers for distribution, as it has done for decades to avoid storage or logistical challenges. Because the government would be buying and selling large quantities of food when they are cheapest, this would lower and stabilize prices for key grocery store products within weeks." A small snippet, he outlines a similar strategy for food and fuel as well as addresses the baby formula issue. Also talks about how just sitting back is not going to work.
Thanks, that is interesting.
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On June 12 2022 02:39 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2022 01:31 Nick_54 wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/02/opinion/inflation-biden-congress.htmlGood article from Dem congressman Ro Khana on what Biden could do to help better fight inflation. Really needs to do something on this instead of blaming Putin and just sitting on his hands if they don't want to be destroyed in November midterms. Then again, maybe thats all he's capable of at this point? To the guy saying they have a chance in the senate I don't think they have a chance in hell, but hoping to be wrong. The title is correct but the methods remain wishy-washy. At this point I see only two realistic options: 1. Hike interest rates enough that we slam the brakes on the economy, and on inflation, and work through a painful period of necessary deleveraging. Made doubly painful by that this is coming ten years too late to avoid the worst of the fallout from doing so. 2. If the administration is too cowardly to do (1), at least have some severe export quotas on the big inflation drivers - refined oil products, crude, natural gas, food, and coal. There is no excuse for sending record quantities of natural gas and diesel abroad to the benefit of only foreigners and corporations when the local population is suffering from a deep deficit of this stuff. Instead of any serious action, it seems like all the Brandon administration is willing to do is find someone, anyone to blame for its own unwillingness to deal with the problem. Evidently even Democratic congresspersons in California see that this isn't good enough, but they can only break rank with the president by a smidge.
Its pretty hard to do anything serious when you have a congress that refuses to do anything to fix the problems and is more than happy to keep them as problems to blame you for them. The record profits of these companies isn't justifiable except to republicans.
Inflation is mostly driven by companies that keep raising their prices to get more and more profit despite the damage it does on the citizens of the nation. You can't blame brandon for capitalism and free markets and wonder why he won't embrace socialism and market controls.
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In a pinch, I suppose we can accept investigations into Jan 6th and a load of excuses for inaction on inflation in place of Brandon actually doing his job and solving the hard problems. It's an important quality of life aspect to make sure that some Congressional committee or other is busy with making sure a perception still remains that Trump and his associates are going to be behind bars right after this latest round of hearings and such.
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Why are you referring to him as Brandon on TL?
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On June 12 2022 03:39 LegalLord wrote:
In a pinch, I suppose we can accept investigations into Jan 6th and a load of excuses for inaction on inflation in place of Brandon actually doing his job and solving the hard problems. It's an important quality of life aspect to make sure that some Congressional committee or other is busy with making sure a perception still remains that Trump and his associates are going to be behind bars right after this latest round of hearings and such.
It’s definitely the top priority for America’s well being to make sure Trump looks worse than he already does, many minds will be changed and much action will be taken. Assuming by action you mean making Trump look worse to people who already don’t like him. That kind of true accountability is hard to come by and we should be grateful for this investigation and all of the consequences it will absolutely bring.
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They still think its funny or was ever funny. I'm hoping they keep using it so we can identify those types in the wild without having to waste time seeing if they can be reasoned with.
On June 12 2022 03:59 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2022 03:39 LegalLord wrote:
In a pinch, I suppose we can accept investigations into Jan 6th and a load of excuses for inaction on inflation in place of Brandon actually doing his job and solving the hard problems. It's an important quality of life aspect to make sure that some Congressional committee or other is busy with making sure a perception still remains that Trump and his associates are going to be behind bars right after this latest round of hearings and such. It’s definitely the top priority for America’s well being to make sure Trump looks worse than he already does, many minds will be changed and much action will be taken. Assuming by action you mean making Trump look worse to people who already don’t like him. That kind of true accountability is hard to come by and we should be grateful for this investigation and all of the consequences it will absolutely bring.
Its a pretty easy identifier between the radials and the moderates when you have clear and available information and an explanation on what happened. If anyone supports trump after this you don't have to hem or haw if they're a fascist or not.
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On June 12 2022 04:00 Sermokala wrote:They still think its funny or was ever funny. I'm hoping they keep using it so we can identify those types in the wild without having to waste time seeing if they can be reasoned with. Show nested quote +On June 12 2022 03:59 Zambrah wrote:On June 12 2022 03:39 LegalLord wrote:
In a pinch, I suppose we can accept investigations into Jan 6th and a load of excuses for inaction on inflation in place of Brandon actually doing his job and solving the hard problems. It's an important quality of life aspect to make sure that some Congressional committee or other is busy with making sure a perception still remains that Trump and his associates are going to be behind bars right after this latest round of hearings and such. It’s definitely the top priority for America’s well being to make sure Trump looks worse than he already does, many minds will be changed and much action will be taken. Assuming by action you mean making Trump look worse to people who already don’t like him. That kind of true accountability is hard to come by and we should be grateful for this investigation and all of the consequences it will absolutely bring. Its a pretty easy identifier between the radials and the moderates when you have clear and available information and an explanation on what happened. If anyone supports trump after this you don't have to hem or haw if they're a fascist or not.
No, the point where it became clear they were fascists is immediately after Trump did this and they voted not to remove him from office, every last ounce of this stupid useless waste of time after they failed to actually pursue consequences has served no practical purpose.
If anyone was on the fucking fence after Jan 6th they’re a brain dead moron. There is no other explanation.
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On June 12 2022 04:42 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2022 04:38 Zambrah wrote:On June 12 2022 04:00 Sermokala wrote:They still think its funny or was ever funny. I'm hoping they keep using it so we can identify those types in the wild without having to waste time seeing if they can be reasoned with. On June 12 2022 03:59 Zambrah wrote:On June 12 2022 03:39 LegalLord wrote:
In a pinch, I suppose we can accept investigations into Jan 6th and a load of excuses for inaction on inflation in place of Brandon actually doing his job and solving the hard problems. It's an important quality of life aspect to make sure that some Congressional committee or other is busy with making sure a perception still remains that Trump and his associates are going to be behind bars right after this latest round of hearings and such. It’s definitely the top priority for America’s well being to make sure Trump looks worse than he already does, many minds will be changed and much action will be taken. Assuming by action you mean making Trump look worse to people who already don’t like him. That kind of true accountability is hard to come by and we should be grateful for this investigation and all of the consequences it will absolutely bring. Its a pretty easy identifier between the radials and the moderates when you have clear and available information and an explanation on what happened. If anyone supports trump after this you don't have to hem or haw if they're a fascist or not. No, the point where it became clear they were fascists is immediately after Trump did this and they voted not to remove him from office, every last ounce of this stupid useless waste of time after they failed to actually pursue consequences has served no practical purpose. If anyone was on the fucking fence after Jan 6th they’re a brain dead moron. There is no other explanation. The point is to get it all out on public record so 15-20 years from now people can't claim they did not know.
Who gives a shit if people know, we all saw the video of the footage basically as it was happening, at this point “knowing” means fuck all. What’s the point of knowing the identity and location and victims of a serial killer if you don’t actually stop them from serial killing?
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There's a difference between thinking nothing substantial will come of the House investigation into Jan 6th and thinking the the House definitely shouldn't be doing the investigation/hearings. The former I'm okay with, whether or not I personally agree. The latter is silly. Major crimes against the United States were committed; let the facts get identified and compiled to the House's content.
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