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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13958 Posts
On June 13 2022 11:51 Starlightsun wrote: Part of me feels like fuck it, AOC... but I feel like next president if they are Democrat is going to be completely hamstrung by Republican control of the government. They seem to have lost the fight over election, police, gun reform etc. Hard to feel much hope for the country at this point. AOC is currently 32 years old... BUT her birthday is October 13th which is before the election and would make her eligible. AOC is the nuclear option, I don't think the dems have the balls to go to war like that. If trump runs again and the GOP looks like it will solidify under him I think the nation tears itself apart in an AOC-trump election. I mean Amy Klobuchar is the correct answer but the coasties won't take an easy win like that. On June 13 2022 12:36 StasisField wrote: Maybe Elizabeth Warren is the Dems' best chance? As much as I hate to say it, Bernie is actually just too old at this point and him losing the primary twice now does not bode well for the future. Lolno she has no base. She betrayed progressives by staying in at the critical moment and taking votes from bernie. She will be lucky to keep her eat from now on. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On June 13 2022 12:37 Sermokala wrote: Lolno she has no base. She betrayed progressives by staying in at the critical moment and taking votes from bernie. She will be lucky to keep her eat from now on. Yeah I'm still pissed about her not dropping and eating Bernie's votes when she clearly couldn't win. But if she's the only progressive candidate, she might have a shot. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On June 13 2022 12:37 Sermokala wrote: AOC is currently 32 years old... BUT her birthday is October 13th which is before the election and would make her eligible. AOC is the nuclear option, I don't think the dems have the balls to go to war like that. If trump runs again and the GOP looks like it will solidify under him I think the nation tears itself apart in an AOC-trump election. I mean Amy Klobuchar is the correct answer but the coasties won't take an easy win like that. Lolno she has no base. She betrayed progressives by staying in at the critical moment and taking votes from bernie. She will be lucky to keep her eat from now on. Klob has the charisma of a bar of soap. Whether it is Trump or Desantis, you can't have someone with poor charisma. Presidential elections have become a lot more personality based. Biden won because the election was a referendum on Trump. After some more thought I think AOC is the best shot. I think anyone except AOC will lose to the high charisma of either Republican candidate. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44390 Posts
On June 13 2022 12:37 Sermokala wrote: AOC is currently 32 years old... BUT her birthday is October 13th which is before the election and would make her eligible. AOC is the nuclear option, I don't think the dems have the balls to go to war like that. If trump runs again and the GOP looks like it will solidify under him I think the nation tears itself apart in an AOC-trump election. I mean Amy Klobuchar is the correct answer but the coasties won't take an easy win like that. Lolno she has no base. She betrayed progressives by staying in at the critical moment and taking votes from bernie. She will be lucky to keep her eat from now on. I think there are two (related) parts with this statement that I'm curious about: 1. Why do you think Amy Klobuchar is the best option that Democrats have to win the next presidential election? 2. Why do you think AK would be an "easy win" for the Dems? | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On June 13 2022 12:33 Husyelt wrote: This is very likely. He's alienated or betrayed like 95% of his close advisors and colleagues. That's not something that usually ends well in politics. The tide is turning towards Desantis, or my hope, Haley. Trump's strict loyalty only really works for him on his rise in power / presidency. He lost the election, and many of the moderate support. It's all radicals now and true believers. I've predicted this for a while, he's got absolutely no shot at being the nominee. His only shot was to accept the election, fade away for a year, and then come out swinging at Biden for ruining the economy and inflation. Instead we are going to see more and more current people in power go against him due to the original sin of falsely claiming their was a "stolen election". I'm hopeful for the future honestly, the mainstream cable networks are all losing sway and power amongst the youth. I also think social media hit its apex in influence and hype in politics. AOC is too young to run this year, but if she plays her cards right she will be a helluva candidate in 2028. I've really come around to liking her. I want to be hopeful as well, and while it's more and more encouraging all the time to see how young people are getting involved and what they're doing to change the game, I also feel like there's a chance it'll just be too late for them to make a difference. Republicans have been more radical than ever, and they're going nuclear or scorched earth in so many ways, probably because they know that they don't have popular support anymore, it's not going to change as people only get more informed and more socially conscious, and all their "policies" get exposed for how outmoded or dishonest they really are. All they're really clinging onto anymore is corporate donor politics, while money still buys power. Democrats too, to an extent. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On June 14 2022 01:18 LegalLord wrote: Perhaps we should just make peace with the prospect of President Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris couldn't win even if the R candidate dropped dead. She's terrible on so many levels | ||
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Sermokala
United States13958 Posts
On June 13 2022 19:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I think there are two (related) parts with this statement that I'm curious about: 1. Why do you think Amy Klobuchar is the best option that Democrats have to win the next presidential election? 2. Why do you think AK would be an "easy win" for the Dems? I mean they both go into the same reasoning so I'll just do both. Amy Klobuchar is extremely popular with Minnesota. Minnesota, despite voteing blue more consistently than any other state in the union, is the most moderate state the union. It is the only state that has a split in between who controls the state house and state senate. The midwest is the battleground region for just about every election. Go watch the confirmation hearing with Kavanaugh, you'll see her not only whip back at him during the questions but make him apologize for what he said with the aired grace of a white midwestern mom. The most competitive demographic In modern elections is white women, educated and non educated. AK is the embodiment of the "suburban mom" in Washington. Minnesota has diverse groups of immigrants and has the highest per capita population of refugees in America. Shes 62, not young per say but old enough to attract the boomer vote. Minnesota is literally one of the top 10 most economically developed regions in the world. Trump can't attack the woman that looks like a mom in a debate and neither can any of his ilk. Also I can't understate this but AK-47 is a level of meme magic that you can't argue with. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
Right now I feel like we have 2 options for a national dem candidate moving forward: 1) AOC'ish 2) Fetterman'ish I think we are simply past the point of Biden/Harris/AK types of candidates. We need someone with a ton of charisma who is unapologetic and loud. Here's another question for you: Do you agree with my basic premise that presidential campaigns have become a lot more emphasized on personality/hype-capability? I understand Klob has done well but I really think she doesn't have what it takes to become a national political movement leader. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11528 Posts
On June 14 2022 03:20 Mohdoo wrote: Semokala what did you think of AK's performance in the dem debates in 2020? I felt really good about AK as a potential pres candidate until that. She really fell apart and it is the big reason I have kinda turned away from her. I really like the idea of a Midwest candidate or something kinda like a Midwest candidate. Right now I feel like we have 2 options for a national dem candidate moving forward: 1) AOC'ish 2) Fetterman'ish I think we are simply past the point of Biden/Harris/AK types of candidates. We need someone with a ton of charisma who is unapologetic and loud. Here's another question for you: Do you agree with my basic premise that presidential campaigns have become a lot more emphasized on personality/hype-capability? I understand Klob has done well but I really think she doesn't have what it takes to become a national political movement leader. You may feel that way, but i am almost certain that the next candidate will be another uninspiring mainstream conservative democrat. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13958 Posts
On June 14 2022 03:20 Mohdoo wrote: Semokala what did you think of AK's performance in the dem debates in 2020? I felt really good about AK as a potential pres candidate until that. She really fell apart and it is the big reason I have kinda turned away from her. I really like the idea of a Midwest candidate or something kinda like a Midwest candidate. Right now I feel like we have 2 options for a national dem candidate moving forward: 1) AOC'ish 2) Fetterman'ish I think we are simply past the point of Biden/Harris/AK types of candidates. We need someone with a ton of charisma who is unapologetic and loud. Here's another question for you: Do you agree with my basic premise that presidential campaigns have become a lot more emphasized on personality/hype-capability? I understand Klob has done well but I really think she doesn't have what it takes to become a national political movement leader. I don't think everyone is great on their first time at the national debate stage. That being said I think she did the principles pretty well in her reactions and responses to people. With 4 more years to prepare everything I think she'll preform well if the coasts give someone in the midwest a chance. I think campaigns have always been based on the image of a candidate. Biden won and was never someone that inspired people or spoke well. Obama and George bush were able to cultivate an image that was demographically extremely strong, Bush with his ability to wrangle in hispanic votes with his Spanish and obama with his youth. For everyone that is a firebrand it is very easy to find things you can use against them for what they say. The whole idea of a Biden/Harris/AK presidency is that they're a reasonable person that is hard to attack. I do think that we're more likely to see Harris-de santis in two years. Coasties are going to be coasties and try to lose the hardest they can. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
Oof. You know, it's not just because Trump was easy and satisfying to make fun of. He got put on blast for reasons. They played themselves. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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KwarK
United States42817 Posts
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Fleetfeet
Canada2562 Posts
I can see AOC continuing to further her political position this next election, but her being a presidential candidate does truly strike me as 'the nuclear option' as someone else mentioned. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
Basic vector addition is your guide here. Republicans are pulling farther to the right, Democrats need to get their heads out of their ass and go farther left if we're going to go forward. Period. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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