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WombaT
Northern Ireland27346 Posts
On June 20 2022 06:37 KwarK wrote: I took a look at his post history and he’s serious. Also he dropped out of high school to play Starcraft so they’re really not sending the best people. Jesus imagine dropping out of high school only to deal with Dragoon pathing | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
They prey on the desire most people have to feel smart, by telling people who don't know better that they're clever if they just believe this One Weird Trick that your doctor will hate you for. It would be funny if it wasn't so fucking sad. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On June 20 2022 07:06 WombaT wrote: Jesus imagine dropping out of high school only to deal with Dragoon pathing It's like method acting. He needed to be one with the dragoon pathing in life. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27346 Posts
On June 20 2022 12:08 Gahlo wrote: It's like method acting. He needed to be one with the dragoon pathing in life. The only person in the world for whom accessibility ramps are actually an impediment. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
On June 20 2022 17:49 WombaT wrote: The only person in the world for whom accessibility ramps are actually an impediment. I imagine a dragoon would fall over if it tried to go down a flight of stairs | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
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Kyadytim
United States886 Posts
On June 20 2022 20:14 gobbledydook wrote: Dragoons are capable of navigating stairs. Some tilesets have stairs between certain elevations instead of ramps.I imagine a dragoon would fall over if it tried to go down a flight of stairs | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37110 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27346 Posts
On June 22 2022 07:55 Seeker wrote: Oy! This is the USPMT. Leave the StarCraft talk in the correct forums. Fair but it’s considerably less depressing | ||
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Sermokala
United States14208 Posts
Apparently as well according to stones there are people in trumps campaign that had no idea about this. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27346 Posts
How’s about, if fraud is such a concern, voter IDs come in, free for all eligible voters. No? Oh you don’t want to secure elections while making it as easy as possible to vote? Hm wonder why that is… From a personal perspective it’s a damn shame that it’s the current incarnation of the GOP that’s had success in delegitimising faith in various institution and not some comparable leftist movement, god they have a really entrenched captive audience. Of all the people to harbour thoughts of Revolution it’s THAT lot? | ||
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Introvert
United States5028 Posts
On June 22 2022 11:45 WombaT wrote: It’s total, total nonsense at best, irresponsible and dangerous at worst to perpetuate this nonsense, as we’ve already seen. How’s about, if fraud is such a concern, voter IDs come in, free for all eligible voters. No? Oh you don’t want to secure elections while making it as easy as possible to vote? Hm wonder why that is… From a personal perspective it’s a damn shame that it’s the current incarnation of the GOP that’s had success in delegitimising faith in various institution and not some comparable leftist movement, god they have a really entrenched captive audience. Of all the people to harbour thoughts of Revolution it’s THAT lot? Think I've said this before but every state that requires voter ID also provides it for free. Obviously you have to provide a few things on your end or it would be pointless. But it is free. At least that was the case last time I checked. And more and more the analysis is showing that voter ID laws don't reduce turnout, which we kinda already had an inkling of anyways. "Jim Crow 2.0" in Georgia turned out to be nothing of the kind. As for your last comment the institutions have discredited themselves. People are just finally paying attention. + Show Spoiler + Note: not an endorsement of stolen election rhetoric. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27346 Posts
On June 22 2022 11:54 Introvert wrote: Think I've said this before but every state that requires voter ID also provides it for free. Obviously you have to provide a few things on your end or it would be pointless. But it is free. At least that was the case last time I checked. And more and more the analysis is showing that voter ID laws don't reduce turnout, which we kinda already had an inkling of anyways. "Jim Crow 2.0" in Georgia turned out to be nothing of the kind. As for your last comment the institutions have discredited themselves. People are just finally paying attention. + Show Spoiler + Note: not an endorsement of stolen election rhetoric. Paying attention how? Believing in errant nonsense in lieu of trusting flawed institutions isn’t exactly an upgrade. It’s a complex, flawed world we live in but throwing the baby out with the bath water and going with a ‘Play your own reality’ book isn’t a great solution. Nonetheless yes you are correct, I don’t actually have any particular issue with voter ID laws provided they’re easy to obtain. Plenty of places do this with no disenfranchisement, indeed generally higher turnouts. Maybe I’ve missed it, if ‘the Steal’ was a legitimately held belief and I was a legislator, I’d be pushing my party, and indeed across the aisle to institute changes that prevent such an eventuality. Instead they seem to be rather doubling down on the rhetoric with sweet fanny Adam’s on the former front. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
I'm also totally 100% convinced by the Republicans' telling of events that when they sent their false electors in an attempt to destabilize the election results, it was purely out of good faith, just in case their respective states just happened to change their results. Not an attempt to influence anything at all, nosireeeeeee. Like, Y'all on the Right would be losing your fucking minds if it came out that Democrats tried to ship false electors to muddy the waters of an open and secure election, and then attack the capitol in order to overturn the results when everyone knows they lost. We'd never hear the end of that shit, and you know it. But the shoe's on the other foot, so now we really need to be open-minded about the integrity of elections and charitable towards the people who attacked Congress. And we need more election fraud investigations and protocol, even though there has been Zero (0) evidence of any kind to support the notion of fraud. Fuck off. Y'all are getting off easy, Democrats haven't been pissed enough about this, At. All. | ||
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Introvert
United States5028 Posts
On June 22 2022 12:22 WombaT wrote: Paying attention how? Believing in errant nonsense in lieu of trusting flawed institutions isn’t exactly an upgrade. It’s a complex, flawed world we live in but throwing the baby out with the bath water and going with a ‘Play your own reality’ book isn’t a great solution. Nonetheless yes you are correct, I don’t actually have any particular issue with voter ID laws provided they’re easy to obtain. Plenty of places do this with no disenfranchisement, indeed generally higher turnouts. Maybe I’ve missed it, if ‘the Steal’ was a legitimately held belief and I was a legislator, I’d be pushing my party, and indeed across the aisle to institute changes that prevent such an eventuality. Instead they seem to be rather doubling down on the rhetoric with sweet fanny Adam’s on the former front. Pretty much everything from the presidency, to the Congress, the educational system, even the health profession, they are beclowning themselves. by the way, Joe's Biden absurd claims about the Georgia ID law and how it was going to suppress votes (and the subtext there that elections there will not be legitimate) is of the same variety as "stop the steal." So I'm not interested in high ground arguments. In the PA gov primary, the top Democrat candidate (now their nominee) ran ads for the "stop the steal" guy in the GOP primary because he wanted to run against him (and will get his wish!). So I know even Democrat politicians don't believe their own rhetoric. (they tried to do something similar in a congressional primary but that guy just lost today). So disagree or not, we can already see from primary results that stolen election rhetoric doesn't actually mean that much to GOP voters. "Stop the steal" types are losing way, way more than they are winning (but there are exceptions). As a poll question you may get GOP voter saying it's not legit for years, but that's not new for either party, it just varies in form. The January 6th protest is just a in-your-face-version. I'd have to check but I wonder how many people here were hoping the electoral college would invalidate Trump's 2016 win? Remember there was a big push and we had more faithless electors than just about any other election in history. Yet that campaign had the same chance of success as the riot. The Electoral Count act may actually be fixed to make sure there is no ambiguity about the VP's role, either (that legislation has been on thin ice because Democrats wanted to push their whole election agenda into it). So regardless of poll questions, or silly things some activists manage the get into party platforms, those are not the issues driving voters and Trump's influence is waning. I hope it's gone by the time he might try to run again, but it is weakening. So from my perspective the silliness of the the stolen election debate is not the most pressing issue facing Americans. It's just what Democrats want to focus on because Biden sucks and is unpopular and they don't have jack squat to run on in congress, so they might as well do this. tl:dr stop the steal is not a strong animating force in GOP politics (with exceptions) and unlike Democrats after 2016, pretty much no elected Republicans are basing their criticism of Joe Biden on him being illegitimate. Just that he's a terrible president. | ||
KwarK
United States44286 Posts
On June 22 2022 11:54 Introvert wrote: Think I've said this before but every state that requires voter ID also provides it for free. Obviously you have to provide a few things on your end or it would be pointless. But it is free. At least that was the case last time I checked. And more and more the analysis is showing that voter ID laws don't reduce turnout, which we kinda already had an inkling of anyways. "Jim Crow 2.0" in Georgia turned out to be nothing of the kind. As for your last comment the institutions have discredited themselves. People are just finally paying attention. + Show Spoiler + Note: not an endorsement of stolen election rhetoric. Cost isn’t the only factor, though it is a start. There are other barriers to getting an ID. As an immigrant the DMV wouldn’t issue me with a drivers license until I presented them with certified translations of my British drivers license. I ended up paying a private company (MVD Express) to give me a license after two trips to the DMV with the required forms per their printed online instructions didn’t work. What may seem trivial to you is not universally simple. Immigrants, people with first languages other than English, the homeless, people in rural or otherwise underserved areas, people lacking transportation or fixed mailing addresses, disabled or elderly people, etc. etc. Voter ID may serve to effectively disenfranchise all these people, even if it’s free, because free does not mean equally universally available. Given the specific US history of intentional disenfranchisement of certain groups and how that is still happening (explicitly racist felon disenfranchisement laws, explicitly racist gerrymandering, closing voting locations in specific areas) caution is merited when making it harder for people to vote. The key question is whether the problem being fixed (ineligible voters voting) is worse than the problem being created (eligible voters not voting). All the research into voter fraud has found that it’s basically not a thing beyond weird Trump fanatics. It’s not a problem that needs to be fixed. So, given the historical context of voter disenfranchisement in the US and given that those same people are still doing it today I think an awful lot of skepticism should be used whenever they suggest anything that might make it harder for certain groups to vote. In a perfect world, sure, it makes sense that people must have to demonstrate their eligibility for participation to participate. But we live in the world where the DMV told me to get certified translations of my British driver’s license. | ||
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