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On August 23 2025 06:48 Magic Powers wrote:What's wild is that now he can be deported again without trial. Constitutionally. What a joke country.
He's still in the country illegally. That hasn't changed and was always the basis of his deportation. Expecting an entire jury trial for a removal would be the joke.
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Canada is removing most retaliatory tariffs against the USA. It'll be a big win once the LCBO opens back up their shelves to American products.
The anti-USA hate is waning. The Toronto BLue Jays are a 100% American product and the entire country is just gobbling up their pennant run. Every city the Blue Jays visit has thousands of Canadian fans at the games. The WNBA managed to sell out a full sized NBA arena in a regular season game in Canada.
Canadians loves "America's Past Time". They just can't help themselves. The Blue Jays were a much cooler team when they were distinctly un-American. Oh well. LOL.
Big Win for the USA today.
On August 23 2025 06:48 Magic Powers wrote:What's wild is that now he can be deported again without trial. Constitutionally. What a joke country.
meh, like most people who've lived around Toronto, Canada I have a few options in which country I can live. For me, and many hard working Canadians the USA is the best option. All these millions and millions of Albertans and Quebecers whining forever about separating from Canada and it'll prolly never happen. They can just leave for the USA.
Big Red Sox//Yankees game tonight!
USA! USA!.
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On August 23 2025 07:06 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2025 06:48 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 04:14 LightSpectra wrote:Kilmar Abrego Garcia is free. Turns out MS Painting the words "MS-13" on a picture of someone isn't enough evidence to detain them indefinitely. What's wild is that now he can be deported again without trial. Constitutionally. What a joke country. He's still in the country illegally. That hasn't changed and was always the basis of his deportation. Expecting an entire jury trial for a removal would be the joke.
These illegal immigrants literally get jury trials to receive visa extensions or citizenship to prevent being deported. That's the top spot where ICE generally abducts them nowadays.
Joke country.
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On August 23 2025 07:40 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2025 07:06 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 06:48 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 04:14 LightSpectra wrote:Kilmar Abrego Garcia is free. Turns out MS Painting the words "MS-13" on a picture of someone isn't enough evidence to detain them indefinitely. What's wild is that now he can be deported again without trial. Constitutionally. What a joke country. He's still in the country illegally. That hasn't changed and was always the basis of his deportation. Expecting an entire jury trial for a removal would be the joke. These illegal immigrants literally get jury trials to receive visa extensions or citizenship to prevent being deported. That's the top spot where ICE generally abducts them nowadays. Joke country.
No? Immigration trials are before immigration judges which are article 2 judges (executive branch) not article 3 (judicial branch). At no point in American history had it been required to have a criminal jury trial to deport someone in the country illegally unless there was some other factor.
A joke is thinking that sneaking across the border entitles you to the delays, due process, and legal protections of the criminal system. It'd be overwhelmed instantly. Just imagine if eveyone who Biden, being derelict at the border, let in, had to have a full jury trial to be deported. It's rediculous and easy to see why.
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On August 23 2025 07:06 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2025 06:48 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 04:14 LightSpectra wrote:Kilmar Abrego Garcia is free. Turns out MS Painting the words "MS-13" on a picture of someone isn't enough evidence to detain them indefinitely. What's wild is that now he can be deported again without trial. Constitutionally. What a joke country. He's still in the country illegally. That hasn't changed and was always the basis of his deportation. Expecting an entire jury trial for a removal would be the joke.
What do you think the final price tag on this giant fuck up is going to be? And do not forget to add all the new legal costs from the civil suit he will most certainly win.
On August 23 2025 07:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Canada is removing most retaliatory tariffs against the USA. It'll be a big win once the LCBO opens back up their shelves to American products. The anti-USA hate is waning. The Toronto BLue Jays are a 100% American product and the entire country is just gobbling up their pennant run. Every city the Blue Jays visit has thousands of Canadian fans at the games. The WNBA managed to sell out a full sized NBA arena in a regular season game in Canada. Canadians loves "America's Past Time". They just can't help themselves. The Blue Jays were a much cooler team when they were distinctly un-American. Oh well. LOL. Big Win for the USA today. Show nested quote +On August 23 2025 06:48 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 04:14 LightSpectra wrote:Kilmar Abrego Garcia is free. Turns out MS Painting the words "MS-13" on a picture of someone isn't enough evidence to detain them indefinitely. What's wild is that now he can be deported again without trial. Constitutionally. What a joke country. meh, like most people who've lived around Toronto, Canada I have a few options in which country I can live. For me, and many hard working Canadians the USA is the best option. All these millions and millions of Albertans and Quebecers whining forever about separating from Canada and it'll prolly never happen. They can just leave for the USA. Big Red Sox//Yankees game tonight! USA! USA!.
I'm really mad at the less taxes I'm going to have pay. I sure wish I was down there with you so I could pay more so the ultra rich could pay less!
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On August 23 2025 07:52 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2025 07:40 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 07:06 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 06:48 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 04:14 LightSpectra wrote:Kilmar Abrego Garcia is free. Turns out MS Painting the words "MS-13" on a picture of someone isn't enough evidence to detain them indefinitely. What's wild is that now he can be deported again without trial. Constitutionally. What a joke country. He's still in the country illegally. That hasn't changed and was always the basis of his deportation. Expecting an entire jury trial for a removal would be the joke. These illegal immigrants literally get jury trials to receive visa extensions or citizenship to prevent being deported. That's the top spot where ICE generally abducts them nowadays. Joke country. No? Immigration trials are before immigration judges which are article 2 judges (executive branch) not article 3 (judicial branch). At no point in American history had it been required to have a criminal jury trial to deport someone in the country illegally unless there was some other factor. A joke is thinking that sneaking across the border entitles you to the delays, due process, and legal protections of the criminal system. It'd be overwhelmed instantly. Just imagine if eveyone who Biden, being derelict at the border, let in, had to have a full jury trial to be deported. It's rediculous and easy to see why.
Bruh. You brought up jury trials, not me. I thought you were talking about whatever regular trials they get summoned to. That's where ICE picks them up and abducts them. You know this.
Imagine being an illegal person in a country that you take nothing from. You respect the law, you work, you even pay taxes, you're better than the typical citizen. And yet you get treated like trash.
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On August 23 2025 08:09 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2025 07:52 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 07:40 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 07:06 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 06:48 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 04:14 LightSpectra wrote:Kilmar Abrego Garcia is free. Turns out MS Painting the words "MS-13" on a picture of someone isn't enough evidence to detain them indefinitely. What's wild is that now he can be deported again without trial. Constitutionally. What a joke country. He's still in the country illegally. That hasn't changed and was always the basis of his deportation. Expecting an entire jury trial for a removal would be the joke. These illegal immigrants literally get jury trials to receive visa extensions or citizenship to prevent being deported. That's the top spot where ICE generally abducts them nowadays. Joke country. No? Immigration trials are before immigration judges which are article 2 judges (executive branch) not article 3 (judicial branch). At no point in American history had it been required to have a criminal jury trial to deport someone in the country illegally unless there was some other factor. A joke is thinking that sneaking across the border entitles you to the delays, due process, and legal protections of the criminal system. It'd be overwhelmed instantly. Just imagine if eveyone who Biden, being derelict at the border, let in, had to have a full jury trial to be deported. It's rediculous and easy to see why. Bruh. You brought up jury trials, not me. I thought you were talking about whatever regular trials they get summoned to. That's where ICE picks them up and abducts them. You know this. Imagine being an illegal person in a country that you take nothing from. You respect the law, you work, you even pay taxes, you're better than the typical citizen. And yet you get treated like trash.
Well you said it was a joke he could be deported without a trial, but when we talked about this before I pointed out that he already had his normal immigration adjudication process and it was determined he could be deported. So I assumed you were talking about something else because otherwise what you said was just wrong.
Imagine being someone who broke American law, lives in the country illegally and thinks that you shouldn't be concerned about being deported at any moment. How many countries, that presumably are not jokes, even puts up with illegal immigration as much as the US does. I've asked before, but you claim to not be for open borders yet it's hard to find a policy you support that isn't effectively open borders.
On August 23 2025 08:09 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2025 07:06 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 06:48 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 04:14 LightSpectra wrote:Kilmar Abrego Garcia is free. Turns out MS Painting the words "MS-13" on a picture of someone isn't enough evidence to detain them indefinitely. What's wild is that now he can be deported again without trial. Constitutionally. What a joke country. He's still in the country illegally. That hasn't changed and was always the basis of his deportation. Expecting an entire jury trial for a removal would be the joke. What do you think the final price tag on this giant fuck up is going to be? And do not forget to add all the new legal costs from the civil suit he will most certainly win. Show nested quote +On August 23 2025 07:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Canada is removing most retaliatory tariffs against the USA. It'll be a big win once the LCBO opens back up their shelves to American products. The anti-USA hate is waning. The Toronto BLue Jays are a 100% American product and the entire country is just gobbling up their pennant run. Every city the Blue Jays visit has thousands of Canadian fans at the games. The WNBA managed to sell out a full sized NBA arena in a regular season game in Canada. Canadians loves "America's Past Time". They just can't help themselves. The Blue Jays were a much cooler team when they were distinctly un-American. Oh well. LOL. Big Win for the USA today. On August 23 2025 06:48 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 04:14 LightSpectra wrote:Kilmar Abrego Garcia is free. Turns out MS Painting the words "MS-13" on a picture of someone isn't enough evidence to detain them indefinitely. What's wild is that now he can be deported again without trial. Constitutionally. What a joke country. meh, like most people who've lived around Toronto, Canada I have a few options in which country I can live. For me, and many hard working Canadians the USA is the best option. All these millions and millions of Albertans and Quebecers whining forever about separating from Canada and it'll prolly never happen. They can just leave for the USA. Big Red Sox//Yankees game tonight! USA! USA!. I'm really mad at the less taxes I'm going to have pay. I sure wish I was down there with you so I could pay more so the ultra rich could pay less!
Im not as sure about his chances in the legal system as you are, but he should have been deported to somewhere he could legally be sent and that should have been the end of it.
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On August 23 2025 07:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Canada is removing most retaliatory tariffs against the USA. It'll be a big win once the LCBO opens back up their shelves to American products.
It's on CUSMA complaint goods only after Trump surrendered on that.
The anti-USA hate is waning.
Not according to any metric I've seen.
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On August 23 2025 00:51 KwarK wrote:
This is also a really funny example of conservative maths. It's basically a meme.
There is also ongoing meme for liberals math, as in: who is going to pay for all that
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On August 23 2025 09:12 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2025 00:51 KwarK wrote:
This is also a really funny example of conservative maths. It's basically a meme. There is also ongoing meme for liberals math, as in: who is going to pay for all that
No one cares about paying for tax cuts. Why should liberals give a shit about paying for any of their stuff that would help actual people?
If we fixed healthcare pricing by negotiating as an entire block (country) and reduce prices we could pay for tons of shit.
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On August 23 2025 09:21 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2025 09:12 Razyda wrote:On August 23 2025 00:51 KwarK wrote:
This is also a really funny example of conservative maths. It's basically a meme. There is also ongoing meme for liberals math, as in: who is going to pay for all that No one cares about paying for tax cuts. Why should liberals give a shit about paying for any of their stuff that would help actual people? If we fixed healthcare pricing by negotiating as an entire block (country) and reduce prices we could pay for tons of shit.
Because they also pay taxes? And they cant afford Kwark to make sure they dont overpaid? Dude there is ultimate truth for you: being poor is expensive.
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On August 23 2025 08:55 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2025 07:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Canada is removing most retaliatory tariffs against the USA. It'll be a big win once the LCBO opens back up their shelves to American products. It's on CUSMA complaint goods only after Trump surrendered on that. Not according to any metric I've seen.
You have to remember Jimmy just goes off pure vibes and his recollections of the 1980s
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On August 23 2025 09:12 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2025 00:51 KwarK wrote:
This is also a really funny example of conservative maths. It's basically a meme. There is also ongoing meme for liberals math, as in: who is going to pay for all that
Liberals run much more balanced budgets than conservatives. Everyone knows that.
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On August 23 2025 08:44 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2025 08:09 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 07:52 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 07:40 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 07:06 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 06:48 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 04:14 LightSpectra wrote:Kilmar Abrego Garcia is free. Turns out MS Painting the words "MS-13" on a picture of someone isn't enough evidence to detain them indefinitely. What's wild is that now he can be deported again without trial. Constitutionally. What a joke country. He's still in the country illegally. That hasn't changed and was always the basis of his deportation. Expecting an entire jury trial for a removal would be the joke. These illegal immigrants literally get jury trials to receive visa extensions or citizenship to prevent being deported. That's the top spot where ICE generally abducts them nowadays. Joke country. No? Immigration trials are before immigration judges which are article 2 judges (executive branch) not article 3 (judicial branch). At no point in American history had it been required to have a criminal jury trial to deport someone in the country illegally unless there was some other factor. A joke is thinking that sneaking across the border entitles you to the delays, due process, and legal protections of the criminal system. It'd be overwhelmed instantly. Just imagine if eveyone who Biden, being derelict at the border, let in, had to have a full jury trial to be deported. It's rediculous and easy to see why. Bruh. You brought up jury trials, not me. I thought you were talking about whatever regular trials they get summoned to. That's where ICE picks them up and abducts them. You know this. Imagine being an illegal person in a country that you take nothing from. You respect the law, you work, you even pay taxes, you're better than the typical citizen. And yet you get treated like trash. Well you said it was a joke he could be deported without a trial, but when we talked about this before I pointed out that he already had his normal immigration adjudication process and it was determined he could be deported. So I assumed you were talking about something else because otherwise what you said was just wrong. Imagine being someone who broke American law, lives in the country illegally and thinks that you shouldn't be concerned about being deported at any moment. How many countries, that presumably are not jokes, even puts up with illegal immigration as much as the US does. I've asked before, but you claim to not be for open borders yet it's hard to find a policy you support that isn't effectively open borders.
1) Abrego Garcia had well-founded fears of gang persecution in El Salvador, hence his initial deportation was wrongful.
2) Was instead abducted and held in notorious El Salvador prison. Alledges he was beaten brutally.
3) Then rightfully freed and returned.
4) Possibly facing immediate deportation again despite having a strong case against the state.
Joke country.
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On August 23 2025 09:26 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2025 09:21 Sadist wrote:On August 23 2025 09:12 Razyda wrote:On August 23 2025 00:51 KwarK wrote:
This is also a really funny example of conservative maths. It's basically a meme. There is also ongoing meme for liberals math, as in: who is going to pay for all that No one cares about paying for tax cuts. Why should liberals give a shit about paying for any of their stuff that would help actual people? If we fixed healthcare pricing by negotiating as an entire block (country) and reduce prices we could pay for tons of shit. Because they also pay taxes? And they cant afford Kwark to make sure they dont overpaid? Dude there is ultimate truth for you: being poor is expensive.
Correction: the rich not paying their fair share is expensive.
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On August 23 2025 15:37 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2025 08:44 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 08:09 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 07:52 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 07:40 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 07:06 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 06:48 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 04:14 LightSpectra wrote:Kilmar Abrego Garcia is free. Turns out MS Painting the words "MS-13" on a picture of someone isn't enough evidence to detain them indefinitely. What's wild is that now he can be deported again without trial. Constitutionally. What a joke country. He's still in the country illegally. That hasn't changed and was always the basis of his deportation. Expecting an entire jury trial for a removal would be the joke. These illegal immigrants literally get jury trials to receive visa extensions or citizenship to prevent being deported. That's the top spot where ICE generally abducts them nowadays. Joke country. No? Immigration trials are before immigration judges which are article 2 judges (executive branch) not article 3 (judicial branch). At no point in American history had it been required to have a criminal jury trial to deport someone in the country illegally unless there was some other factor. A joke is thinking that sneaking across the border entitles you to the delays, due process, and legal protections of the criminal system. It'd be overwhelmed instantly. Just imagine if eveyone who Biden, being derelict at the border, let in, had to have a full jury trial to be deported. It's rediculous and easy to see why. Bruh. You brought up jury trials, not me. I thought you were talking about whatever regular trials they get summoned to. That's where ICE picks them up and abducts them. You know this. Imagine being an illegal person in a country that you take nothing from. You respect the law, you work, you even pay taxes, you're better than the typical citizen. And yet you get treated like trash. Well you said it was a joke he could be deported without a trial, but when we talked about this before I pointed out that he already had his normal immigration adjudication process and it was determined he could be deported. So I assumed you were talking about something else because otherwise what you said was just wrong. Imagine being someone who broke American law, lives in the country illegally and thinks that you shouldn't be concerned about being deported at any moment. How many countries, that presumably are not jokes, even puts up with illegal immigration as much as the US does. I've asked before, but you claim to not be for open borders yet it's hard to find a policy you support that isn't effectively open borders. 1) Abrego Garcia had well-founded fears of gang persecution in El Salvador, hence his initial deportation was wrongful. 2) Was instead abducted and held in notorious El Salvador prison. Alledges he was beaten brutally. 3) Then rightfully freed and returned. 4) Possibly facing immediate deportation again despite having a strong case against the state. Joke country.
He was rightfully returned so now he can be rightfully deported. He has no legal case for his continued presence in the US. He is still here entirely at the sufferance of the federal government and that has been true almost every day since he crossed the border illegally.
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On August 23 2025 16:27 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2025 15:37 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 08:44 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 08:09 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 07:52 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 07:40 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 07:06 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 06:48 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 04:14 LightSpectra wrote:Kilmar Abrego Garcia is free. Turns out MS Painting the words "MS-13" on a picture of someone isn't enough evidence to detain them indefinitely. What's wild is that now he can be deported again without trial. Constitutionally. What a joke country. He's still in the country illegally. That hasn't changed and was always the basis of his deportation. Expecting an entire jury trial for a removal would be the joke. These illegal immigrants literally get jury trials to receive visa extensions or citizenship to prevent being deported. That's the top spot where ICE generally abducts them nowadays. Joke country. No? Immigration trials are before immigration judges which are article 2 judges (executive branch) not article 3 (judicial branch). At no point in American history had it been required to have a criminal jury trial to deport someone in the country illegally unless there was some other factor. A joke is thinking that sneaking across the border entitles you to the delays, due process, and legal protections of the criminal system. It'd be overwhelmed instantly. Just imagine if eveyone who Biden, being derelict at the border, let in, had to have a full jury trial to be deported. It's rediculous and easy to see why. Bruh. You brought up jury trials, not me. I thought you were talking about whatever regular trials they get summoned to. That's where ICE picks them up and abducts them. You know this. Imagine being an illegal person in a country that you take nothing from. You respect the law, you work, you even pay taxes, you're better than the typical citizen. And yet you get treated like trash. Well you said it was a joke he could be deported without a trial, but when we talked about this before I pointed out that he already had his normal immigration adjudication process and it was determined he could be deported. So I assumed you were talking about something else because otherwise what you said was just wrong. Imagine being someone who broke American law, lives in the country illegally and thinks that you shouldn't be concerned about being deported at any moment. How many countries, that presumably are not jokes, even puts up with illegal immigration as much as the US does. I've asked before, but you claim to not be for open borders yet it's hard to find a policy you support that isn't effectively open borders. 1) Abrego Garcia had well-founded fears of gang persecution in El Salvador, hence his initial deportation was wrongful. 2) Was instead abducted and held in notorious El Salvador prison. Alledges he was beaten brutally. 3) Then rightfully freed and returned. 4) Possibly facing immediate deportation again despite having a strong case against the state. Joke country. He was rightfully returned so now he can be rightfully deported. He has no legal case for his continued presence in the US. He is still here entirely at the sufferance of the federal government and that has been true almost every day since he crossed the border illegally.
The initial deportation was wrongful to begin with. Not just the abduction. Now he has a strong case because he shouldn't have been deported and he shouldn't have been abducted and he was allegedly abused.
Why do you make excuses for this?
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On August 23 2025 16:43 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2025 16:27 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 15:37 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 08:44 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 08:09 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 07:52 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 07:40 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 07:06 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 06:48 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 04:14 LightSpectra wrote:Kilmar Abrego Garcia is free. Turns out MS Painting the words "MS-13" on a picture of someone isn't enough evidence to detain them indefinitely. What's wild is that now he can be deported again without trial. Constitutionally. What a joke country. He's still in the country illegally. That hasn't changed and was always the basis of his deportation. Expecting an entire jury trial for a removal would be the joke. These illegal immigrants literally get jury trials to receive visa extensions or citizenship to prevent being deported. That's the top spot where ICE generally abducts them nowadays. Joke country. No? Immigration trials are before immigration judges which are article 2 judges (executive branch) not article 3 (judicial branch). At no point in American history had it been required to have a criminal jury trial to deport someone in the country illegally unless there was some other factor. A joke is thinking that sneaking across the border entitles you to the delays, due process, and legal protections of the criminal system. It'd be overwhelmed instantly. Just imagine if eveyone who Biden, being derelict at the border, let in, had to have a full jury trial to be deported. It's rediculous and easy to see why. Bruh. You brought up jury trials, not me. I thought you were talking about whatever regular trials they get summoned to. That's where ICE picks them up and abducts them. You know this. Imagine being an illegal person in a country that you take nothing from. You respect the law, you work, you even pay taxes, you're better than the typical citizen. And yet you get treated like trash. Well you said it was a joke he could be deported without a trial, but when we talked about this before I pointed out that he already had his normal immigration adjudication process and it was determined he could be deported. So I assumed you were talking about something else because otherwise what you said was just wrong. Imagine being someone who broke American law, lives in the country illegally and thinks that you shouldn't be concerned about being deported at any moment. How many countries, that presumably are not jokes, even puts up with illegal immigration as much as the US does. I've asked before, but you claim to not be for open borders yet it's hard to find a policy you support that isn't effectively open borders. 1) Abrego Garcia had well-founded fears of gang persecution in El Salvador, hence his initial deportation was wrongful. 2) Was instead abducted and held in notorious El Salvador prison. Alledges he was beaten brutally. 3) Then rightfully freed and returned. 4) Possibly facing immediate deportation again despite having a strong case against the state. Joke country. He was rightfully returned so now he can be rightfully deported. He has no legal case for his continued presence in the US. He is still here entirely at the sufferance of the federal government and that has been true almost every day since he crossed the border illegally. The initial deportation was wrongful to begin with. Not just the abduction. Now he has a strong case because he shouldn't have been deported and he shouldn't have been abducted and he was allegedly abused. Why do you make excuses for this?
Read more carefully. He should not have been deported to El Salvador because an immigration judge, based on their best judgement, said not to (a thing they are allowed to do). What the judge did not do is say he can't be deported. In fact, he had an active deportation order already. It would have been perfectly lawful to have sent him anywhere else that would have taken him. That is what they should have done. Calling it "abduction" again makes me wonder who you think *should* ever be deported. He has no legal case to stay in the US. Being deported to the wrong country isn't a get-out-of-deportation-free card. This also isn't a criminal proceeding with double jeopardy concerns.
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On August 23 2025 16:55 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2025 16:43 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 16:27 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 15:37 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 08:44 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 08:09 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 07:52 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 07:40 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 07:06 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 06:48 Magic Powers wrote:
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What's wild is that now he can be deported again without trial. Constitutionally. What a joke country. He's still in the country illegally. That hasn't changed and was always the basis of his deportation. Expecting an entire jury trial for a removal would be the joke. These illegal immigrants literally get jury trials to receive visa extensions or citizenship to prevent being deported. That's the top spot where ICE generally abducts them nowadays. Joke country. No? Immigration trials are before immigration judges which are article 2 judges (executive branch) not article 3 (judicial branch). At no point in American history had it been required to have a criminal jury trial to deport someone in the country illegally unless there was some other factor. A joke is thinking that sneaking across the border entitles you to the delays, due process, and legal protections of the criminal system. It'd be overwhelmed instantly. Just imagine if eveyone who Biden, being derelict at the border, let in, had to have a full jury trial to be deported. It's rediculous and easy to see why. Bruh. You brought up jury trials, not me. I thought you were talking about whatever regular trials they get summoned to. That's where ICE picks them up and abducts them. You know this. Imagine being an illegal person in a country that you take nothing from. You respect the law, you work, you even pay taxes, you're better than the typical citizen. And yet you get treated like trash. Well you said it was a joke he could be deported without a trial, but when we talked about this before I pointed out that he already had his normal immigration adjudication process and it was determined he could be deported. So I assumed you were talking about something else because otherwise what you said was just wrong. Imagine being someone who broke American law, lives in the country illegally and thinks that you shouldn't be concerned about being deported at any moment. How many countries, that presumably are not jokes, even puts up with illegal immigration as much as the US does. I've asked before, but you claim to not be for open borders yet it's hard to find a policy you support that isn't effectively open borders. 1) Abrego Garcia had well-founded fears of gang persecution in El Salvador, hence his initial deportation was wrongful. 2) Was instead abducted and held in notorious El Salvador prison. Alledges he was beaten brutally. 3) Then rightfully freed and returned. 4) Possibly facing immediate deportation again despite having a strong case against the state. Joke country. He was rightfully returned so now he can be rightfully deported. He has no legal case for his continued presence in the US. He is still here entirely at the sufferance of the federal government and that has been true almost every day since he crossed the border illegally. The initial deportation was wrongful to begin with. Not just the abduction. Now he has a strong case because he shouldn't have been deported and he shouldn't have been abducted and he was allegedly abused. Why do you make excuses for this? Read more carefully. He should not have been deported to El Salvador because an immigration judge, based on their best judgement, said not to (a thing they are allowed to do). What the judge did not do is say he can't be deported. In fact, he had an active deportation order already. It would have been perfectly lawful to have sent him anywhere else that would have taken him. That is what they should have done. Calling it "abduction" again makes me wonder who you think *should* ever be deported. He has no legal case to stay in the US. Being deported to the wrong country isn't a get-out-of-deportation-free card. This also isn't a criminal proceeding with double jeopardy concerns.
He should not have been deported at all. Not just not abducted. Not deported. At all.
Here, let me help you gain some actual, real, truthful understanding of the case. Not the nonsense that you've read at a cursory glance somewhere.
https://copilot.microsoft.com/chats/SqLkxq542vYVJEGdLF5Cy
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On August 23 2025 17:12 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2025 16:55 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 16:43 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 16:27 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 15:37 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 08:44 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 08:09 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 07:52 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 07:40 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 07:06 Introvert wrote:
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He's still in the country illegally. That hasn't changed and was always the basis of his deportation. Expecting an entire jury trial for a removal would be the joke. These illegal immigrants literally get jury trials to receive visa extensions or citizenship to prevent being deported. That's the top spot where ICE generally abducts them nowadays. Joke country. No? Immigration trials are before immigration judges which are article 2 judges (executive branch) not article 3 (judicial branch). At no point in American history had it been required to have a criminal jury trial to deport someone in the country illegally unless there was some other factor. A joke is thinking that sneaking across the border entitles you to the delays, due process, and legal protections of the criminal system. It'd be overwhelmed instantly. Just imagine if eveyone who Biden, being derelict at the border, let in, had to have a full jury trial to be deported. It's rediculous and easy to see why. Bruh. You brought up jury trials, not me. I thought you were talking about whatever regular trials they get summoned to. That's where ICE picks them up and abducts them. You know this. Imagine being an illegal person in a country that you take nothing from. You respect the law, you work, you even pay taxes, you're better than the typical citizen. And yet you get treated like trash. Well you said it was a joke he could be deported without a trial, but when we talked about this before I pointed out that he already had his normal immigration adjudication process and it was determined he could be deported. So I assumed you were talking about something else because otherwise what you said was just wrong. Imagine being someone who broke American law, lives in the country illegally and thinks that you shouldn't be concerned about being deported at any moment. How many countries, that presumably are not jokes, even puts up with illegal immigration as much as the US does. I've asked before, but you claim to not be for open borders yet it's hard to find a policy you support that isn't effectively open borders. 1) Abrego Garcia had well-founded fears of gang persecution in El Salvador, hence his initial deportation was wrongful. 2) Was instead abducted and held in notorious El Salvador prison. Alledges he was beaten brutally. 3) Then rightfully freed and returned. 4) Possibly facing immediate deportation again despite having a strong case against the state. Joke country. He was rightfully returned so now he can be rightfully deported. He has no legal case for his continued presence in the US. He is still here entirely at the sufferance of the federal government and that has been true almost every day since he crossed the border illegally. The initial deportation was wrongful to begin with. Not just the abduction. Now he has a strong case because he shouldn't have been deported and he shouldn't have been abducted and he was allegedly abused. Why do you make excuses for this? Read more carefully. He should not have been deported to El Salvador because an immigration judge, based on their best judgement, said not to (a thing they are allowed to do). What the judge did not do is say he can't be deported. In fact, he had an active deportation order already. It would have been perfectly lawful to have sent him anywhere else that would have taken him. That is what they should have done. Calling it "abduction" again makes me wonder who you think *should* ever be deported. He has no legal case to stay in the US. Being deported to the wrong country isn't a get-out-of-deportation-free card. This also isn't a criminal proceeding with double jeopardy concerns. He should not have been deported at all. Not just not abducted. Not deported. At all. Here, let me help you gain some actual, real, truthful understanding of the case. Not the nonsense that you've read at a cursory glance somewhere. https://copilot.microsoft.com/chats/SqLkxq542vYVJEGdLF5Cy
I don't get anything when I click on that. Maybe it's because I'm on mobile. But he had a withholding order that only prevented him from being deported to *El Salvador.* We already talked about this. It doesn't prevent him from being deported anywhere else. His continued presence in the country could lawfully end the moment the federal government decides it should end.
We went over this last time. I seem to recall you were not the only one confused but I really thought we had cleared that up. Perhaps this is all useless then.
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