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On August 23 2025 17:23 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2025 17:12 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 16:55 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 16:43 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 16:27 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 15:37 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 08:44 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 08:09 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 07:52 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 07:40 Magic Powers wrote:
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These illegal immigrants literally get jury trials to receive visa extensions or citizenship to prevent being deported. That's the top spot where ICE generally abducts them nowadays.
Joke country. No? Immigration trials are before immigration judges which are article 2 judges (executive branch) not article 3 (judicial branch). At no point in American history had it been required to have a criminal jury trial to deport someone in the country illegally unless there was some other factor. A joke is thinking that sneaking across the border entitles you to the delays, due process, and legal protections of the criminal system. It'd be overwhelmed instantly. Just imagine if eveyone who Biden, being derelict at the border, let in, had to have a full jury trial to be deported. It's rediculous and easy to see why. Bruh. You brought up jury trials, not me. I thought you were talking about whatever regular trials they get summoned to. That's where ICE picks them up and abducts them. You know this. Imagine being an illegal person in a country that you take nothing from. You respect the law, you work, you even pay taxes, you're better than the typical citizen. And yet you get treated like trash. Well you said it was a joke he could be deported without a trial, but when we talked about this before I pointed out that he already had his normal immigration adjudication process and it was determined he could be deported. So I assumed you were talking about something else because otherwise what you said was just wrong. Imagine being someone who broke American law, lives in the country illegally and thinks that you shouldn't be concerned about being deported at any moment. How many countries, that presumably are not jokes, even puts up with illegal immigration as much as the US does. I've asked before, but you claim to not be for open borders yet it's hard to find a policy you support that isn't effectively open borders. 1) Abrego Garcia had well-founded fears of gang persecution in El Salvador, hence his initial deportation was wrongful. 2) Was instead abducted and held in notorious El Salvador prison. Alledges he was beaten brutally. 3) Then rightfully freed and returned. 4) Possibly facing immediate deportation again despite having a strong case against the state. Joke country. He was rightfully returned so now he can be rightfully deported. He has no legal case for his continued presence in the US. He is still here entirely at the sufferance of the federal government and that has been true almost every day since he crossed the border illegally. The initial deportation was wrongful to begin with. Not just the abduction. Now he has a strong case because he shouldn't have been deported and he shouldn't have been abducted and he was allegedly abused. Why do you make excuses for this? Read more carefully. He should not have been deported to El Salvador because an immigration judge, based on their best judgement, said not to (a thing they are allowed to do). What the judge did not do is say he can't be deported. In fact, he had an active deportation order already. It would have been perfectly lawful to have sent him anywhere else that would have taken him. That is what they should have done. Calling it "abduction" again makes me wonder who you think *should* ever be deported. He has no legal case to stay in the US. Being deported to the wrong country isn't a get-out-of-deportation-free card. This also isn't a criminal proceeding with double jeopardy concerns. He should not have been deported at all. Not just not abducted. Not deported. At all. Here, let me help you gain some actual, real, truthful understanding of the case. Not the nonsense that you've read at a cursory glance somewhere. https://copilot.microsoft.com/chats/SqLkxq542vYVJEGdLF5Cy I don't get anything when I click on that. Maybe it's because I'm on mobile. But he had a withholding order that only prevented him from being deported to *El Salvador.* We already talked about this. It doesn't prevent him from being deported anywhere else. His continued presence in the country could lawfully end the moment the federal government decides it should end. We went over this last time. I seem to recall you were not the only one confused but I really thought we had cleared that up. Perhaps this is all useless then.
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You can't lawfully deport a Salvadoran to a different country other than El Salvador. If he can't be deported to El Salvador because of gang persecution, then that means he can't be deported at all. He was in the right, the state was in the wrong. He couldn't be deported. It was wrongful.
Then he was abducted, which is an even more unlawful act.
He was then allegedly physically abused. This further strengthens his case.
You're wrong.
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On August 23 2025 17:28 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2025 17:23 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 17:12 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 16:55 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 16:43 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 16:27 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 15:37 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 08:44 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 08:09 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 07:52 Introvert wrote:
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No? Immigration trials are before immigration judges which are article 2 judges (executive branch) not article 3 (judicial branch). At no point in American history had it been required to have a criminal jury trial to deport someone in the country illegally unless there was some other factor.
A joke is thinking that sneaking across the border entitles you to the delays, due process, and legal protections of the criminal system. It'd be overwhelmed instantly. Just imagine if eveyone who Biden, being derelict at the border, let in, had to have a full jury trial to be deported. It's rediculous and easy to see why. Bruh. You brought up jury trials, not me. I thought you were talking about whatever regular trials they get summoned to. That's where ICE picks them up and abducts them. You know this. Imagine being an illegal person in a country that you take nothing from. You respect the law, you work, you even pay taxes, you're better than the typical citizen. And yet you get treated like trash. Well you said it was a joke he could be deported without a trial, but when we talked about this before I pointed out that he already had his normal immigration adjudication process and it was determined he could be deported. So I assumed you were talking about something else because otherwise what you said was just wrong. Imagine being someone who broke American law, lives in the country illegally and thinks that you shouldn't be concerned about being deported at any moment. How many countries, that presumably are not jokes, even puts up with illegal immigration as much as the US does. I've asked before, but you claim to not be for open borders yet it's hard to find a policy you support that isn't effectively open borders. 1) Abrego Garcia had well-founded fears of gang persecution in El Salvador, hence his initial deportation was wrongful. 2) Was instead abducted and held in notorious El Salvador prison. Alledges he was beaten brutally. 3) Then rightfully freed and returned. 4) Possibly facing immediate deportation again despite having a strong case against the state. Joke country. He was rightfully returned so now he can be rightfully deported. He has no legal case for his continued presence in the US. He is still here entirely at the sufferance of the federal government and that has been true almost every day since he crossed the border illegally. The initial deportation was wrongful to begin with. Not just the abduction. Now he has a strong case because he shouldn't have been deported and he shouldn't have been abducted and he was allegedly abused. Why do you make excuses for this? Read more carefully. He should not have been deported to El Salvador because an immigration judge, based on their best judgement, said not to (a thing they are allowed to do). What the judge did not do is say he can't be deported. In fact, he had an active deportation order already. It would have been perfectly lawful to have sent him anywhere else that would have taken him. That is what they should have done. Calling it "abduction" again makes me wonder who you think *should* ever be deported. He has no legal case to stay in the US. Being deported to the wrong country isn't a get-out-of-deportation-free card. This also isn't a criminal proceeding with double jeopardy concerns. He should not have been deported at all. Not just not abducted. Not deported. At all. Here, let me help you gain some actual, real, truthful understanding of the case. Not the nonsense that you've read at a cursory glance somewhere. https://copilot.microsoft.com/chats/SqLkxq542vYVJEGdLF5Cy I don't get anything when I click on that. Maybe it's because I'm on mobile. But he had a withholding order that only prevented him from being deported to *El Salvador.* We already talked about this. It doesn't prevent him from being deported anywhere else. His continued presence in the country could lawfully end the moment the federal government decides it should end. We went over this last time. I seem to recall you were not the only one confused but I really thought we had cleared that up. Perhaps this is all useless then.
That doesn't disagree with what I said, I even agree that his lawyers will try whatever they can.
"He can't be deported anywhere else" is just not true.
Edit2: it may be that his attempted asylum claim makes it easier to deport him to a third country lol
Edit3: particularly thanks to some judges in recent weeks, he will of course challenge his potential deportation. But the law allows his deportation to other countries and his asylum claim was denied years ago. In some refresher reading just now (should be asleep) I haven't seen anything that changes that assessment. Though again I suppose the judges could decide to block the move to a particular country, and the government would challenge. So I suppose in this instance there is more legal play. But they are not attempting to do something illegal.
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On August 23 2025 17:33 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2025 17:28 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 17:23 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 17:12 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 16:55 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 16:43 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 16:27 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 15:37 Magic Powers wrote:On August 23 2025 08:44 Introvert wrote:On August 23 2025 08:09 Magic Powers wrote:
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Bruh. You brought up jury trials, not me. I thought you were talking about whatever regular trials they get summoned to. That's where ICE picks them up and abducts them. You know this.
Imagine being an illegal person in a country that you take nothing from. You respect the law, you work, you even pay taxes, you're better than the typical citizen. And yet you get treated like trash. Well you said it was a joke he could be deported without a trial, but when we talked about this before I pointed out that he already had his normal immigration adjudication process and it was determined he could be deported. So I assumed you were talking about something else because otherwise what you said was just wrong. Imagine being someone who broke American law, lives in the country illegally and thinks that you shouldn't be concerned about being deported at any moment. How many countries, that presumably are not jokes, even puts up with illegal immigration as much as the US does. I've asked before, but you claim to not be for open borders yet it's hard to find a policy you support that isn't effectively open borders. 1) Abrego Garcia had well-founded fears of gang persecution in El Salvador, hence his initial deportation was wrongful. 2) Was instead abducted and held in notorious El Salvador prison. Alledges he was beaten brutally. 3) Then rightfully freed and returned. 4) Possibly facing immediate deportation again despite having a strong case against the state. Joke country. He was rightfully returned so now he can be rightfully deported. He has no legal case for his continued presence in the US. He is still here entirely at the sufferance of the federal government and that has been true almost every day since he crossed the border illegally. The initial deportation was wrongful to begin with. Not just the abduction. Now he has a strong case because he shouldn't have been deported and he shouldn't have been abducted and he was allegedly abused. Why do you make excuses for this? Read more carefully. He should not have been deported to El Salvador because an immigration judge, based on their best judgement, said not to (a thing they are allowed to do). What the judge did not do is say he can't be deported. In fact, he had an active deportation order already. It would have been perfectly lawful to have sent him anywhere else that would have taken him. That is what they should have done. Calling it "abduction" again makes me wonder who you think *should* ever be deported. He has no legal case to stay in the US. Being deported to the wrong country isn't a get-out-of-deportation-free card. This also isn't a criminal proceeding with double jeopardy concerns. He should not have been deported at all. Not just not abducted. Not deported. At all. Here, let me help you gain some actual, real, truthful understanding of the case. Not the nonsense that you've read at a cursory glance somewhere. https://copilot.microsoft.com/chats/SqLkxq542vYVJEGdLF5Cy I don't get anything when I click on that. Maybe it's because I'm on mobile. But he had a withholding order that only prevented him from being deported to *El Salvador.* We already talked about this. It doesn't prevent him from being deported anywhere else. His continued presence in the country could lawfully end the moment the federal government decides it should end. We went over this last time. I seem to recall you were not the only one confused but I really thought we had cleared that up. Perhaps this is all useless then. That doesn't disagree with what I said, I even agree that his lawyers will try whatever they can. "He can't be deported anywhere else" is just not true. Edit2: it may be that his attempted asylum claim makes it easier to deport him to a third country lol
1) Are you saying a UK citizen being illegally in the US can be deported to Australia?
2) The deportation case was wrongful. He argued for gang persecution, which made deportation unlawful.
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