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Nick_54
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Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
On March 03 2022 22:04 JimmiC wrote: Have you personally not brought up Hilary a bunch? What was she convicted of? Stope pretending there is some sort of underlying logic. If they are a dem they are guilty of whatever is real or gets made up and if they are a Rep its a leftist plot. A rep can do anything at all, call it a leftist plot and the base will defend and donate no matter the facts, because any ones they do not like are part of the leftist plot!... I did not say a conviction is needed, I left open the possibility of it mattering "when we get something beyond "he is being investigated for this." It depends on what we know to be true. In Hillary's case we know everything, and we know that the only reason the FBI didn't charge her is because the FBI drew a distinction between "gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness." In Gaetz's case we don't know much of anything other than that he is being investigated. I know it's tempting to nail him to a wall because he's a republican being investigated for a crime, but it's really too early. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27358 Posts
On March 04 2022 02:39 NewSunshine wrote: It's tempting to nail him to the wall because he openly Venmo'd his bro to have a minor shipped to him for sex. It ain't complicated. You think that’s bad? I have this story everyone’s been sleeping on about Hillary Clinton’s emails | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27358 Posts
If we take the minor aspect, and potential trafficking aspect out of it I don’t even care. Like whatever, there’s a lot of harmful externalities attached to sex work, at a base level, I’ve no inherent problem with it. That said I am a socially permissive Marxist so there is also that. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
On March 03 2022 14:10 StasisField wrote: Interesting news out of the january 6th select committee. The committee claim it has evidence that Trump and some of his allies are guilty of various crimes related to the 2020 election and january 6th. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/02/jan6-trump-obstruction-justice-00013440 I suspect that many will end up disappointed on this. All that the committee can do is recommend to the DOJ that charges be pursued, but the DOJ has not yet shown any signs of interest in any central plot related to January 6th, even though the DOJ is thoroughly investigating everything. Most likely, the DOJ is already fully aware of the facts on which the committee people are basing their argument. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On March 04 2022 02:39 NewSunshine wrote: It's tempting to nail him to the wall because he openly Venmo'd his bro to have a minor shipped to him for sex. It ain't complicated. A friend who pled guilty to shipping minors for sex, mind you; then again guilty pleas don't mean much of anything to the GOP either if Flynn is anything to go by. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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JimmiC
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Zambrah
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27358 Posts
If I’m x billionaire it’s not particularly in my interest to have a precedent set that populist uprisings can interrupt business as usual | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
I also think the idea that "it could be worse so stop wanting anything better" is dumb, the US could be located in a time bubble where slavery is still around and everyone gets syphilis and dies at 25, so we shouldn't expect or want anything more than we have now because we don't live in that horrible time bubble? We should be grateful for our miseries because we could live in some alternative hypothetical worse-hellscape? Even as jaded and cynical as I am I cant subscribe to that sort of mentality. We should dare to dream of a better world and pursue it, wallowing in "well it could be worse!" is a terrible mindset, with that mindset we'd still be ruled by 17th century monarchies. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27358 Posts
Unlike the rather obvious and egregious example of ‘totally not insider trading’, there’s no real downside to an average politician to clamping down on such behaviour. While I’m not exactly a fan of the ruling class, I mean they don’t exist in a vacuum either. So there is that problem too. It certainly doesn’t help when there’s significant support for folks despite the crossing of what absolutely should be lines in the sand. Perhaps too many of us have it too good to actually care sufficiently to move the needle on all sorts of things. I’ve seen plenty of evidence these last few years that people will do the right thing, in certain circumstances, so I’m not entirely lacking in optimism myself . In the worst of scenarios the people of Ukraine, bottom to the top have certainly stepped up and been counted. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
If the US is going to change hoping the people at the top who benefit from all of America's worst dysfunction is absurdly optimistic, in my opinion. Why would someone who benefits from a systems worst elements be incentivized to fix them? If America does become fascist its not like Musk, Bezos, or either party's politicians are going to be that poor off, realistically the worst that happens if they take their oodles of money and leave to a different more stable country and leverage their connections for extremely cushy jobs. The people who will change the US are people with a real stake in the US, and thats definitely not the people at the top. | ||
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Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
On March 05 2022 00:15 JimmiC wrote: I'm kind of disappointed, but by this point I'm pretty used to rich and powerful people not being held accountable in the courts in the US. What really is disappointing is when it is clear that he was doing his damndest to overturn a free and fair election (end actual democracy) that so many Republican voters do not care. They seem to have no concept that the institution of democracy is more important than the party and certainly Trump. It is like they have no clue that the next person, who could be from either party now knows there is no risk to openly and blatantly try to hold power even if they lose. They even have a better idea of how to do it. I sure hope the US government works to close any loop holes because the justice system and the voters appear to not be able too. I do like that some Republican groups are happy to remind at least Fox Veiwers how until last week Trump was Putin's biggest fan! https://ca.yahoo.com/news/republican-group-reminds-fox-viewers-095435686.html I'm not worried about any "coups" by a president myself. The institutions in the US are too strong for it to succeed. Look how far Trump got - he filed lawsuits and then a crowd of crazies broke into the capitol. There was never actually a viable "coup" attempt made. And the military would never go along with it so as to make it viable. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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On March 05 2022 11:29 Doc.Rivers wrote: I'm not worried about any "coups" by a president myself. The institutions in the US are too strong for it to succeed. Look how far Trump got - he filed lawsuits and then a crowd of crazies broke into the capitol. There was never actually a viable "coup" attempt made. And the military would never go along with it so as to make it viable. Almost no one is ever worried about something happening until it does. And then you're SOL, | ||
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