US Politics Mega-thread - Page 2560

On August 14 2020 23:03 Wombat_NI wrote:
@Danglars so if I understand correctly Israel is ceasing settlement expansion as per the terms of this brokered deal? In work at the moment and haven’t had much browsing time outside of my beloved TL.

I mean aside from the rather cringey titling of the ‘President’s Vision for Peace’ (Jesus really?) that does seem a promising development of affairs.

Yeah well fair play. Some of us like myself will never be satisfied of course, given the UAE has a pretty chequered approach to all things human rights and sorting that out has never been any kind of impediment to Western money flowing in.

Still yes, I’ll count this in the ‘win’ column if it actually has bound Israel into halting settlement expansion.

PATERSON – Three dead people seemingly tried to vote in Paterson’s recent elections, and for what it’s worth, none of them listed the two cemeteries located in the city as an address.

The ballots from the deceased were listed on an election report released on Friday detailing the reasons why 3,274 votes – or 20 percent of those submitted – were rejected in Paterson all-vote-by-mail elections.

The report showed one person may have attempted to vote twice, so her ballots were disqualified. Another 21 ballots were submitted for voters who had moved out of the city, so those also were not counted.

As multiple law enforcement agencies probe possible irregularities in use of mail-in votes in Paterson, candidates and activists repeatedly have asserted that election fraud took place, allegations fueled by the discovery of what officials say were hundreds of improperly bundled ballots at mailboxes in the city and neighboring Haledon.

The report released on Friday by the Passaic County Board of Elections makes no mention of any ballots being rejected because of the bundling or possible fraud.

The most common reason for the votes’ disqualification was that election officials decided the signatures on the ballots didn’t match those on file in voter registration records. The report listed 1,214 rejections because of ballot signatures, which accounted for 37 percent of all those that were disqualified.

Most of the other disqualifications stemmed from a variety of flaws involving the ballots not being filled out the right way. About 1,000 of those rejections covered problems with the section of the ballot that must be filled out by the “bearer,” the official title for anyone who delivers the ballot on behalf of the voter.

On August 15 2020 00:29 Danglars wrote:
New York's election delays showed that November's election may not have a result for many weeks. It was only a primary, but did not have a result in close races a month and a half later. New Jersey is showing the first signs of the fraud, rejected ballots, and lawsuits that accompanies mail-in voting. Paterson is the third largest city in the state. A full 20% of the ballots were thrown out. Four people are under prosecution for fraud. The dead voted and residents who were marked as voting claimed they never received ballots.


North Jersey

Imagine Trump winning a narrowly in a swing state where something higher than 1 in 10 ballots were decided to not count. Imagine not hearing that conclusion until 3 weeks after the date of the election. Put that together with all these allegations regarding the postal service, stoked by Trump's own comments on the issue.

On August 15 2020 01:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
What if Trump wins a blatantly unfair (like a bunch of Dem votes are thrown out due to USPS problems) election?

On August 15 2020 00:41 Nevuk wrote:
Yes. Voting by mail WILL be a mess. I definitely agree on that.

I do think it preferable to killing possibly hundreds of thousands of people, though (depending on how much it stokes the exponential spread, this is probably a VERY high estimate).

My area would probably be safe to vote - I live in a high income, white area with a fairly average median age in Ohio that has always had decent mask wearing. It wouldn't be as safe for poorer or older areas, though (the poorer ones have much more crowded voting areas than the rich).

On August 15 2020 00:41 Nevuk wrote:
Yes. Voting by mail WILL be a mess. I definitely agree on that.

I do think it preferable to killing possibly hundreds of thousands of people, though (depending on how much it stokes the exponential spread, this is probably a VERY high estimate).

My area would probably be safe to vote - I live in a high income, white area with a fairly average median age in Ohio that has always had decent mask wearing. It wouldn't be as safe for poorer or older areas, though (the poorer ones have much more crowded voting areas than the rich).

On August 15 2020 01:32 Simberto wrote:


What i don't understand is why it has to be like that.

Voting by mail works very, very well here in Germany. Why can it not work in the US?

On August 15 2020 01:36 farvacola wrote:
I dunno what “major freak out” means, but the Trump campaign and many state election bodies are being sued by all kinds of plaintiffs. And that’s on top of the fact that Trump fucking with the mail isn’t the boon to his campaign he seems to think it is.

On August 15 2020 01:33 Danglars wrote:

Yeah, I wouldn't go "killing possibly hundreds of thousands of people." Wisconsin had an election in April and everybody was losing their minds over the death toll. Like, even allowing people to vote in person was equivalent to killing so many of their citizens.

Andddddd no spike. So like, yeah, some areas it would be better to ask for an absentee ballot, but don't go crazy on the kill count. A lot of people ended up with egg on their face on Wisconsin.

On August 15 2020 01:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
What if Trump wins a blatantly unfair (like a bunch of Dem votes are thrown out due to USPS problems) election?

On August 15 2020 01:48 Gorsameth wrote:
You hope the courts fix it, if they don't?

civil war or immigration. your pick.

According to the New York Times, 38-year-old Clinesmith reached a deal with U.S. Attorney for the District of Connecticut John Durham over the altered Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) email which was used by FBI investigators to obtain permission from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Court to maintain a wiretap on Page in 2017.
Per that report, Clinesmith’s attorneys insist he was simply trying “to clarify facts for a colleague” but made a mistake–apparently resulting in the falsified email used to keep the spying operation afloat.

The lawyer, Kevin Clinesmith, 38, who was assigned to the Russia investigation, plans to admit that he altered an email from the C.I.A. that investigators relied on to seek renewed court permission in 2017 for a secret wiretap on the former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, who had at times provided information to the spy agency. Mr. Clinesmith’s lawyer said he made a mistake while trying to clarify facts for a colleague.

On August 15 2020 01:45 GreenHorizons wrote:

I imagine something more drastic than typical French protests would be a minimum. Filing briefs is the opposite of freaking out though imo.