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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On July 06 2020 06:29 GreenHorizons wrote: Think there's an argument for Kanye to be the lesser of 3 evils. He's certainly been responsible for less harm than either Trump or Biden. Most of what could make Kanye not the lesser evil is based on the idea he's inexperienced. He's probably the least likely to die in office, and the only Black candidate during a national uprising about race and policing. That said, it's most definitely a publicity stunt. Worth remembering Trump did this a few times before he finally actually ran. 2024 might be his run. Sure, lets replace one inexperienced idiot with another one. What could go wrong ? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23714 Posts
On July 06 2020 14:23 Erasme wrote: Sure, lets replace one inexperienced idiot with another one. What could go wrong ? Experience isn't all it's cracked up to be imo but I won't be voting for Kanye now or in 2024 (I hope he isn't the best choice then anyway) | ||
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
On July 06 2020 07:03 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Third party candidates can't afford to campaign for two years. What is Aleppo happened in September so give it a couple more months. Jo Jorgenson is an infinitely better candidate than Gary Johnson and that asswipe Weld. That said, even getting on the ballot is tremendously difficult. The Democrats and Republicans do everything they can to make sure its just them at the dinner table. | ||
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farvacola
United States18855 Posts
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Sapaio
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On July 06 2020 06:29 GreenHorizons wrote: Think there's an argument for Kanye to be the lesser of 3 evils. He's certainly been responsible for less harm than either Trump or Biden. Most of what could make Kanye not the lesser evil is based on the idea he's inexperienced. He's probably the least likely to die in office, and the only Black candidate during a national uprising about race and policing. That said, it's most definitely a publicity stunt. Worth remembering Trump did this a few times before he finally actually ran. 2024 might be his run. He's also said that 'slavery was a choice'. If you think a black man with that mentality is going to do good work for African Americans I think you'd be in for a very rude awakening. Kanye's also nearly as problematic as Trump when it comes to dodgy behaviour. Genuinely surprised to see you post something like this, GH. At absolute best Kanye would be a political puppet. The guy's demonstrated that he's a first rate idiot multiple times. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On July 06 2020 21:25 iamthedave wrote: He's also said that 'slavery was a choice'. If you think a black man with that mentality is going to do good work for African Americans I think you'd be in for a very rude awakening. Kanye's also nearly as problematic as Trump when it comes to dodgy behaviour. Genuinely surprised to see you post something like this, GH. At absolute best Kanye would be a political puppet. The guy's demonstrated that he's a first rate idiot multiple times. You are really surprised GH doesn't leave out an opportunity to spin something to tell everyone how the democrats suck? | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7992 Posts
On July 06 2020 20:44 Sapaio wrote: US politics from an outside view seem like a comedy tv show. I almost expect Lena Headye to run for president saying she has more experience governing a country then West. Yeah, it's like saying: "I don't like where this pilot is taking us so I'd rather have someone who has never flown a plane to take the commands. At least we won't go to that awful place". | ||
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farvacola
United States18855 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15742 Posts
On July 06 2020 22:12 farvacola wrote: Kanye is one of the few people whose belligerence could pose a greater threat than Trump’s lol I think some people have a cult-like perception of Kanye West. They aren't capable of thinking of him without considering his music at all. Their brain just autofills "HE'S A CRAZY GENIUS!!!" and ignores the fact that he's an incredibly terrible guy. For the weirdo activism part of Twitter, they are foaming at the mouth just waiting for someone that lets them say "heh, and probably still better than BIDDDDEEENNNNN" while sticking their tongues out. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
The US has lagged behind by a bit in life expectancy of other developed nations, but in the last decades this gap has increased quite a bit. In fact, in the last 10 years, while the rest of the world was steadily increasing its life expectancy, the US has completely stalled: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.IN?end=2018&locations=US-CA-SE-GB The reasoning behind is mostly seen in the low education white working class in the age group of 45-54. E.g. in Kentucky the number of yearly deaths in this population group due to alcohol, drugs and suicide has more than tripled over the last 20 years. Or in a global comparison: Annual deaths per 100k of white non hispanics aged 45-54. Country 1998 -> 2017 +-% France 409 -> 280 -32% Sweden 282 ->187 -34% UK 344 -> 270 -22% (The UK lagging behind the other is mostly a development since ~2013) US 382 -> 405 +6% This alone accumulates to about 600k additional deaths over those years compared to assuming a similar decline as the other nations had. The very same development is also shown in numbers of pain injuries, general happiness etc. As the main reasoning the authors (of the above mentioned book) see the wage development, where especially in this lower/middle class the real wages have not risen and in some parts even shrunk for decades. Unlike in other parts of the developed world, the US do not have the social systems to compensate for those losses leading to way more drastic effects. And then they are also singling out the US health care system, which takes >17% of the GDP for abysmal effects. Compare this for example to the 11% GDP the German health care system costs for way more public good. | ||
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HelpMeGetBetter
United States764 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15742 Posts
On July 06 2020 23:37 mahrgell wrote: An interesting longer term development in the US I found a wonderful article (in German, referencing the book [Case, Anne, Deaton, Angus] Deaths of Despair and the Future of Capitalism) about: The US has lagged behind by a bit in life expectancy of other developed nations, but in the last decades this gap has increased quite a bit. In fact, in the last 10 years, while the rest of the world was steadily increasing its life expectancy, the US has completely stalled: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.IN?end=2018&locations=US-CA-SE-GB The reasoning behind is mostly seen in the low education white working class in the age group of 45-54. E.g. in Kentucky the number of yearly deaths in this population group due to alcohol, drugs and suicide has more than tripled over the last 20 years. Or in a global comparison: Annual deaths per 100k of white non hispanics aged 45-54. Country 1998 -> 2017 +-% France 409 -> 280 -32% Sweden 282 ->187 -34% UK 344 -> 270 -22% (The UK lagging behind the other is mostly a development since ~2013) US 382 -> 405 +6% This alone accumulates to about 600k additional deaths over those years compared to assuming a similar decline as the other nations had. The very same development is also shown in numbers of pain injuries, general happiness etc. As the main reasoning the authors (of the above mentioned book) see the wage development, where especially in this lower/middle class the real wages have not risen and in some parts even shrunk for decades. Unlike in other parts of the developed world, the US do not have the social systems to compensate for those losses leading to way more drastic effects. And then they are also singling out the US health care system, which takes >17% of the GDP for abysmal effects. Compare this for example to the 11% GDP the German health care system costs for way more public good. In many ways, the writing is on the wall. My wife and I, with our education and whatnot, have very little incentive to stay in the US. We get a lot of "points" on immigration scoring sheets for lots of countries and we'd have a relatively easy time finding employment in Europe. I don't think the US is hopeless. I think we can still surge back up, but it will require some pretty drastic changes. But it can be done. If Trump wins a second term, I can't see the US recovering the way it needs to. Since my wife and I intend to have kids soon, there is a pretty clear reality that our children would live better lives in Europe. It feels like it would be negligent to let us raise kids in the US when we could give them a better life elsewhere. That being said, there are huge regional differences for what you are describing. Kentucky is a clearly terrible place to live, but there are areas of the US that are really nice and have robust social support systems. There are places in the US that look more like Europe than Kentucky. It is difficult to answer the question of "where ought I raise kids?" | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7992 Posts
On July 06 2020 23:49 Mohdoo wrote: In many ways, the writing is on the wall. My wife and I, with our education and whatnot, have very little incentive to stay in the US. We get a lot of "points" on immigration scoring sheets for lots of countries and we'd have a relatively easy time finding employment in Europe. I don't think the US is hopeless. I think we can still surge back up, but it will require some pretty drastic changes. But it can be done. If Trump wins a second term, I can't see the US recovering the way it needs to. Since my wife and I intend to have kids soon, there is a pretty clear reality that our children would live better lives in Europe. It feels like it would be negligent to let us raise kids in the US when we could give them a better life elsewhere. That being said, there are huge regional differences for what you are describing. Kentucky is a clearly terrible place to live, but there are areas of the US that are really nice and have robust social support systems. There are places in the US that look more like Europe than Kentucky. It is difficult to answer the question of "where ought I raise kids?" We've established earlier in the thread that you should all come to Norway. Typing is tiring, we will all continue this discussion around a (ten dollars) beer 😁 | ||
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farvacola
United States18855 Posts
We are also literally indebted to DoE and have bar licensures that are mostly useless abroad, so there’s that too :D | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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ZerOCoolSC2
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The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday upheld state laws that remove or fine Electoral College delegates who refuse to cast their votes for the presidential candidate they were pledged to support. The vote was unanimous. "The Constitution's text and the nation's history both support allowing a state to enforce an elector's pledge to support his party's nominee — and the state voters' choice — for President," Justice Elena Kagan wrote for the court. Laws that remove or penalize delegates reflect "a longstanding tradition in which electors are not free agents; they are to vote for the candidate whom the State's voters have chosen." Although many Americans think that they elect the president and vice president, in fact, it is the Electoral College, an arcane intermediary mechanism dreamed up by the Founders, that formally determines who wins the election. The system has been considered a formality because usually the winner of the popular vote also wins the Electoral College vote. But twice in the past two decades, the unexpected took place: the winner of the popular vote did not become president; instead, the winner in the Electoral College prevailed. Thus, Donald Trump, who got nearly 3 million fewer votes overall than Hillary Clinton, won the state-by-state allotment of Electoral College votes in 2016 and became president. And in 2000, George W. Bush became president, winning five more Electoral College votes than Al Gore, though Gore won roughly half a million more popular votes. Source | ||
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JimmiC
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