EPTThink I'll have to wait to see what the international observers say about the reliability of the results before making any final conclusions beyond Biden getting trounced.
Sure looks like Bernie won to me though.
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GreenHorizons
United States23683 Posts
Think I'll have to wait to see what the international observers say about the reliability of the results before making any final conclusions beyond Biden getting trounced. Sure looks like Bernie won to me though. | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10854 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23683 Posts
On February 04 2020 16:50 Velr wrote: One wonders how hard "counting" can be. The story is going to be that the transparency requirements are going to show that a lot of precincts did 'bad math' and awarded delegates to candidates that they shouldn't have gotten. The problem is that it's exposing something that was prevalent before they had to show the numbers and no one knows how to spin that. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45340 Posts
On February 04 2020 16:50 Velr wrote: One wonders how hard "counting" can be. As a math teacher, I could vent for days about just how hard the most basic of maths can be for people lol. That being said, the delay is probably due to a combination of miscommunication and overcomplicating an otherwise simple process with technology that's not understood or not working right. Kind of like some of the many issues we face in American education. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4390 Posts
Looks damn odd to me. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11768 Posts
On February 04 2020 19:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: As a math teacher, I could vent for days about just how hard the most basic of maths can be for people lol. That being said, the delay is probably due to a combination of miscommunication and overcomplicating an otherwise simple process with technology that's not understood or not working right. Kind of like some of the many issues we face in American education. I think everyone should take part in counting the votes of an election at least once in their lives. (Here in Germany, they are basically always looking for people to help doing that). This helps both with understanding the process and the saveguards against manipulation, and figuring out the difficulty of something that sounds easy on the surface. It is surprising how hard it is to count about 200 very large sheets of paper correctly by hand. | ||
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farvacola
United States18855 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45340 Posts
On February 04 2020 19:50 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: I guess Buttigieg could have won Iowa, but the fact he was 7 points on average behind Sanders on the Iowa state RCP poll aggregate and the shady stuff with the counting app and the delay in getting the results out.... The fact Buttigiegs campaign was financially linked to the app company (lol)? Looks damn odd to me. Agreed. Based on devouring tons of news sources over the past 12 hours, I think there seems to be at least two major issues with why the results haven't been announced yet... 1. The technology being used to count all the votes is having some issues with accuracy and consistency; 2. The firm who developed this technology was literally paid by Buttigieg's campaign, so there could be a conflict of interest. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23683 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11768 Posts
On February 04 2020 22:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Agreed. Based on devouring tons of news sources over the past 12 hours, I think there seems to be at least two major issues with why the results haven't been announced yet... 1. The technology being used to count all the votes is having some issues with accuracy and consistency; 2. The firm who developed this technology was literally paid by Buttigieg's campaign, so there could be a conflict of interest. Is there a specific reason that you don't do pen and paper voting in the US? Why is there always some new technology being used for voting, which inevitably always leads to some controversy? Also, how can point 2 happen? That has to be one of the worst possible decisions you can make with regards to a voting system, and that should be obvious to anyone involved. | ||
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farvacola
United States18855 Posts
On February 04 2020 22:27 Simberto wrote: Is there a specific reason that you don't do pen and paper voting in the US? Why is there always some new technology being used for voting, which inevitably always leads to some controversy? Also, how can point 2 happen? That has to be one of the worst possible decisions you can make with regards to a voting system, and that should be obvious to anyone involved. Remember, the handling of elections, even federal elections, is largely a state process, so there are literally dozens of different approaches. Some do indeed use paper ballots. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45340 Posts
On February 04 2020 22:27 Simberto wrote: Is there a specific reason that you don't do pen and paper voting in the US? Why is there always some new technology being used for voting, which inevitably always leads to some controversy? Also, how can point 2 happen? That has to be one of the worst possible decisions you can make with regards to a voting system, and that should be obvious to anyone involved. Those are great questions, especially since we know it's possible to rig voting machines and other tech-alternatives to paper ballots. I don't know. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On February 04 2020 22:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Those are great questions, especially since we know it's possible to rig voting machines and other tech-alternatives to paper ballots. I don't know. As far as I know, "it's possible to rig" has been the usual answer. But I'm also feeling cynical today. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23683 Posts
Paper ballots help, but we have to come to grips with the state of disrepair US democracy is in at-large. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On February 04 2020 22:55 GreenHorizons wrote: *stares in Florida* Paper ballots help, but we have to come to grips with the state of disrepair US democracy is in at-large. Indeed, voting machines are just part of a longer list. Add to that the insane shapes congressional districts take on from gerrymandering, the electoral college, the influence of money in politics and indeed everything, because capitalism, and an entrenched two party system, voter suppression, and I'm sure there's more. But that's a good many things already that distort the influence that each of the common folk ought to have, if we really want to call this a democracy. There's lots of work to do. | ||
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Introvert
United States4908 Posts
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KwarK
United States43664 Posts
On February 04 2020 23:22 Introvert wrote: actually if memory serves electronic voting was a big push, particularly by Democrats, after Florida 2000. funny that. Because the Supreme Court decided that marking your preference on a paper ballot didn’t count as a vote for Gore if the perforations weren’t sufficiently perforated. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12406 Posts
On February 04 2020 23:22 Introvert wrote: actually if memory serves electronic voting was a big push, particularly by Democrats, after Florida 2000. funny that. This thing in Iowa sucked, it also sucked in 2000 when they blatantly stole an election and got away with it though, I think I can find issue with both. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15742 Posts
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