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Nebuchad
Switzerland12262 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On May 11 2018 13:33 Slaughter wrote: What I meant is that his work was pretty focused purely on western (mostly the US) and lacks greater perspective of humanity. Focusing primarily just on the part of the quote "the death of the heart happening in my county" to me shows that he thinks the US is unique in its moral crisis. This isn't anything new. Its not really an appeal to human nature, more or less looking at a bigger historical picture of our species. And yes, the idea that white americans are monsters when most of them are ignorant of happenings outside their immediate social sphere, poor, divided by all kinds of ideologies, fed all kinda of garbage information, and overall as powerless as anyone else to really put into place effective change is garbage. They can't even wrangle significant change in favor of themselves. Most advantages Whites enjoy were built into the system long ago and are at a level so ingrained they don't even know about much less have any clue how to actually change. Its pretty much what a lot of your posts allude to, that some major revolution is likely needed. That is something you have slowly made me come around to. I just think of everyone I know hating the current political system more and more and all they seemingly want to do is "wait" until some "good" politician comes along when the parties just shove out more of the same elites who don't really give a shit. Your discussions surrounding the two major parties (particularly the DNC) have really been helpful in crystallizing just how much a iron grip they have and the toxicity that monopology has led to. what makes you think a "revolution" would make anything better? or result in parties that don't just do the same thing? and what kind of revolution would it be? i.e. in what way distinct from the non-revolutionary act of makin gstructural changes to the system that adjust the pressures so that other results happen? also what definition of monopology are you using? the only one I can find (esp seeing as it looks to be a neologism) doesn't seem like it fits here. | ||
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farvacola
United States18832 Posts
On May 11 2018 21:19 Nebuchad wrote: I'm not a big fan of Black Mirror (I think it's mostly trash, to be honest) but I've been looking at some reaction videos to This is America and it reminds me so much of where Kaluuya's character ends up at the end of that one episode. Glad I'm not the only one who thinks that show is garbage  | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 11 2018 21:35 farvacola wrote: Glad I'm not the only one who thinks that show is garbage It isn’t that great. Like all anthology shows, I’ll wait a decade and then watch the cream of the crop. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8111 Posts
In other news: https://www.axios.com/first-look-mueller-gains-credibility-among-swing-voters-1526032725-9eda4a00-373c-4b12-83d0-e000c4f18caa.html Independents are leaning 44.7% towards Mueller being trustworthy (As opposed to 25.7% finding Trump trustworthy), which has a strong likelihood of being translated to votes for democrats in the upcoming election, as having democrats in congress is pretty much the only way Trump is going to be held accountable. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
I've also seen this during the Obama administration, but this just seems way more real on how far people are willing to stick by Trump's side. Even the poll shows it, I feel like the % of democrats that trust Trump over Mueller are the same ones who voted Bernie, then Trump. It also depends on the areas they took the poll at in my opinion. FL is tricky because you have all types of political views down here. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
BERLIN/PARIS (Reuters) - Europe’s heavyweight economies took steps on Friday to safeguard their commercial and political interests in Iran, seeking to keep the nuclear deal with Tehran alive after Washington pulled out and said sanctions would follow. Germany, France have significant trade links with Iran and remain committed to the nuclear agreement, as does Britain, and all three countries’ foreign ministers plan to meet on Tuesday to discuss it. That is part of a flurry of diplomatic activity lined up following Tuesday’s unilateral withdrawal from what U.S. President Donald Trump called “a horrible, one-sided deal”, a move accompanied by the threat of penalties against any foreign firms doing business in Iran. German Chancellor Angela Merkel said possibilities to save the deal without Washington needed to be discussed with Tehran, while France’s Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire said EU states would propose sanctions-blocking measures to the European Commission. “There is a realization among all European states what we cannot keep going in the direction we are headed today whereby we submit to American decisions,” Le Maire told reporters in Paris. In Berlin, Economy Minister Peter Altmaier said Germany was ready to give help to its affected firms, including legal advice, to continue doing business in Iran. Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said transatlantic ties had been gradually damaged by shifts in U.S. policy. “We are prepared to talk... but also to fight for our positions where necessary,” he told Der Spiegel magazine. sounds good to me if they get that through. (Posting in here instead of EU thread because it's basicly a reaction to US politics after all) | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44584 Posts
On May 11 2018 22:18 Excludos wrote: A bit off topic aren't we? Let's not start a discussion about whether a massively popular show is great or not. That can only end in flames. In other news: https://www.axios.com/first-look-mueller-gains-credibility-among-swing-voters-1526032725-9eda4a00-373c-4b12-83d0-e000c4f18caa.html Independents are leaning 44.7% towards Mueller being trustworthy (As opposed to 25.7% finding Trump trustworthy), which has a strong likelihood of being translated to votes for democrats in the upcoming election, as having democrats in congress is pretty much the only way Trump is going to be held accountable. I see your article of sanity reassurance and raise you an article of craziness: https://www.vox.com/2018/5/10/17340200/poll-republicans-trump-fbi-mueller-witch-hunt Poll: most Republicans now think Trump is being framed by the FBI An Economist/YouGov survey found that 61 percent of GOPers think the FBI is setting up the president. Only 13 percent of Republicans say that special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation is a “legitimate investigation.” Fully three-quarters of Republicans agree with President Donald Trump that it’s a “witch hunt.” Meanwhile, 76 percent of Democrats consider it a legitimate investigation. That’s according to a new Economist/YouGov survey of 1,500 adults between May 6 and 8 about the investigation. What’s more, 61 percent of Republicans believe the FBI is framing Trump. Just 17 percent of Republicans say the nation’s federal law enforcement agency isn’t after the president, and about a fifth — 21 percent — weren’t sure. Twenty-five percent of independents think Trump is being framed, with 39 percent saying he is not. Seventy-eight percent of Democrats say Trump isn’t being framed, 7 percent of Democrats think he is, and 15 percent aren’t sure. The responses to questions about Trump in this Economist/YouGov survey are an example of the country’s political polarization and reflect recent trends of Republicans losing confidence in the FBI. It’s also another sign of the effectiveness of Trump’s messaging with the GOP that Republicans are now so deeply skeptical of federal law enforcement. Just last week, for example, Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani referred to FBI agents who raided attorney Michael Cohen’s home and office as “stormtroopers,” and Trump tweeted about a book that claims he is being framed, saying: “A sad chapter for law enforcement. A rigged system!” It shouldn’t be a surprise that the Republican Party is shifting toward Trump’s worldview. When Trump blasted professional football players who kneeled during the national anthem, Republicans’ approval of the NFL also dropped. But Republicans’ newfound suspicion of law enforcement is far more troubling. Mueller’s investigation has indicted 19 people so far, but it’s now headed toward confrontation as Mueller’s team presses for an interview with Trump. Trump has cleaned house on his legal team and brought in new lawyers, including Giuliani and Emmet T. Flood, a skilled attorney who worked on Bill Clinton’s team during his impeachment. It signals a more aggressive approach to Mueller’s investigation, one that might force the special counsel to subpoena the president. A protracted court battle could follow, and if this recent poll is any indication, the country will remain bitterly divided over that fight. There is one reassuring — if somewhat contradictory — finding in the poll, however. When respondents are asked whether the president should fire Mueller, only 34 percent of Republicans said he should. The exact same amount (34 percent) say he should not fire the special counsel. Another third are unsure. Democrats, at 66 percent, overwhelmingly favor Mueller keeping his job, and 36 of independents agree Mueller should stay put. The survey is found here: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/kwgrow0dna/econTabReport.pdf Regardless of the outcome of Mueller's investigation, I doubt anyone's mind will change on whether or not Trump and his team colluded with Russia. I just hope that Mueller will be allowed to run the investigation as he sees fit, without being fired or threatened. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
I miss the days when getting caught saying stuff like this would mean the end of your career. We were better off when we punished our public servants for cheering on the death their political enemies. | ||
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brian
United States9625 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44584 Posts
On May 12 2018 01:18 brian wrote: takes a real piece of shit to do that, she’s probably on the cabinet career track. Trump will probably fire Melania from her anti-bullying campaign and hire Kelly Sadler instead. Sounds about right. On May 12 2018 01:15 Plansix wrote: https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/994969128120221696 I miss the days when getting caught saying stuff like this would mean the end of your career. We were better off when we punished our public servants for cheering on the death their political enemies. Good to know that "The White House" has the complete opposite view of John McCain as Donald Trump did when he said he doesn't respect John McCain because he was a POW. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On May 12 2018 01:31 Plansix wrote: Bring back dueling. We can still use those old ass smooth bore pistols. If we are going to regress like this, lets not half ass it. I vote rapiers - cleaner, quieter and reusable. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 12 2018 01:38 JonnyBNoHo wrote: I vote rapiers - cleaner, quieter and reusable. The mechanics front loading pistol provides a much needed structure and the ability to concede to the duel, while also assuring both parties are at risk. And any idiot can pull the trigger. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18048 Posts
On May 12 2018 01:42 Plansix wrote: The mechanics front loading pistol provides a much needed structure and the ability to concede to the duel, while also assuring both parties are at risk. And any idiot can pull the trigger. Nah. "stick them with the pointy end" | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
The striking part of this article is that 41% of the goverment workforce is able to retire in the next 5 years. They need a lot more workers to fill that gap. And the fact that they are suggesting working for the goverment for 30 years shouldn't mean you can get "life long retirement". Do they really want people to stay in those jobs until they are 75? This whole thing just seems like another attempt to reign in goverment spending by doing anything but cutting the military budget. By the way, military retirement will likely be unchanged. They are just a bigger, better lobby. | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On May 12 2018 01:55 Plansix wrote: https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/994979194625916936 The striking part of this article is that 41% of the goverment workforce is able to retire in the next 5 years. They need a lot more workers to fill that gap. And the fact that they are suggesting working for the goverment for 30 years shouldn't mean you can get "life long retirement". Do they really want people to stay in those jobs until they are 75? This whole thing just seems like another attempt to reign in goverment spending by doing anything but cutting the military budget. By the way, military retirement will likely be unchanged. They are just a bigger, better lobby. I would think that employee benefits are a rounding error to the Federal budget. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On May 12 2018 02:20 JonnyBNoHo wrote: I would think that employee benefits are a rounding error to the Federal budget. Probably more than that; certainly alot smaller than some of the big things; but a bit higher than a rounding error I'd guess. Looking around some at the numbers; the annual cost for federal employee benefits seems to be around 100 billion, maybe a bit less. | ||
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