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Taelshin
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada420 Posts
September 10 2019 16:01 GMT
#35841
Not sure where to put this so Ill throw it in here since there has been some Hurricane Dorian chatter.

Friend of mine linked this video to me + Show Spoiler +
.

The video is a man from the Bahamas area(Abaco) that was hardest hit by Dorian (Also happens to be a very poor area), its complete devastation. He touches on the failure of the Govt to help the people and the fact that bohemian air is charging people to get off the island where some other carriers who were bringing in supplies have given people free rides off to the other islands that were not hit as hard.

I'm in Nova Scotia and we got hit by Dorian, but the damage just wasn't anything like these poor soul's have had to deal with, and of course we were ready for it, with emergency crews standing by and at least in my area many people had generator's and were sharing some of that power with their neighbor's to keep fridges ect running. We only lost power for 2 and a half days, there were some big tree's down, but all in all everything's fine.

You just have to feel for these people who live in these island nations, who aren't wealthy enough to get out before the storm hits or have houses made to withstand these types of storms, and then of course there's always the possibility of corrupt or inept government's.

If a mod think's this isn't USthread news please let me know and ill delete it and make and thread or put it in a blog or something.
"We didnt listen"
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9025 Posts
September 10 2019 16:08 GMT
#35842
On September 11 2019 01:01 Taelshin wrote:
Not sure where to put this so Ill throw it in here since there has been some Hurricane Dorian chatter.

Friend of mine linked this video to me + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilbCihwOzBE
.

The video is a man from the Bahamas area(Abaco) that was hardest hit by Dorian (Also happens to be a very poor area), its complete devastation. He touches on the failure of the Govt to help the people and the fact that bohemian air is charging people to get off the island where some other carriers who were bringing in supplies have given people free rides off to the other islands that were not hit as hard.

I'm in Nova Scotia and we got hit by Dorian, but the damage just wasn't anything like these poor soul's have had to deal with, and of course we were ready for it, with emergency crews standing by and at least in my area many people had generator's and were sharing some of that power with their neighbor's to keep fridges ect running. We only lost power for 2 and a half days, there were some big tree's down, but all in all everything's fine.

You just have to feel for these people who live in these island nations, who aren't wealthy enough to get out before the storm hits or have houses made to withstand these types of storms, and then of course there's always the possibility of corrupt or inept government's.

If a mod think's this isn't USthread news please let me know and ill delete it and make and thread or put it in a blog or something.

Puerto Rico was spared as far as I know, but even then, seeing how this administration left them to fend for themselves, I'd be surprised if the US sends aid to the Bahamas. A lot of money is spent there, so maybe the international community will rally to rebuild it so their more affluent citizens can enjoy the beaches again soon.

Not particularly US pol thread related, but it can be expanded to include US topics such as foreign aid.
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-10 16:13:01
September 10 2019 16:11 GMT
#35843
Trump did something relatively sane.

He just announced he fired John Bolton. This is a good thing.

Here's my previous post on how horrible of a human being John Bolton is:
On May 16 2019 12:26 Ben... wrote:
I honestly hope he gets rid of Bolton. In some ways I think Bolton is scarier than Trump. He has made it clear that he wants confrontation, especially with Iran, and it does seem like he is trying to push this war through against basically what everyone else involved in the conflicts in the region recommends. He came into the job being known as a war hawk and it seems like ever since he took over it's been escalation after escalation, but never with any clear proof with his claims about the country he wants to fight (even the evidence he's putting forth about Iran so far is quite shaky and heavily disputed by the US' allies). He was also one of the people who pushed the WMDs in Iraq narrative quite hard back in the early 2000s and it became clear later that those claims were completely wrong.

I recommend checking out Bolton's wikipedia page for a bit more context. It is quite well sourced and puts a lot of perspective into what kind of person he is. He seems like he should not be a person making decisions about potential conflicts, or really in charge of other people at all. The section in the wiki about his senate confirmation for a position in the UN in 2005 is particularly damning. He never got confirmed and this was with Republican senators basically saying it would be hard for him not to get confirmed since they had the majority, but things went so bad that he lost support of a lot of Republicans too.

This is quite troubling for me:
Show nested quote +
On April 20, it emerged that Melody Townsel, a former USAID contractor, had reported to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that Bolton had used inflammatory language and thrown objects in the course of her work activities in Moscow. Townsel's encounter with Bolton occurred when she served as a whistleblower against a poorly performing minority contractor for USAID, IBTCI. Townsel told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee staff that Bolton had made derogatory remarks about her sexual orientation and weight, among other workplace improprieties. In an official interview with Senate Foreign Relation Committee staff, Townsel detailed her accusations against Bolton, which were confirmed by Canadian designer Uno Ramat, who had served as an IBTCI employee and one of Townsel's AID colleagues. Time magazine, among other publications, verified Townsel's accusations and Ramat's supporting testimony, and Townsel's story was transcribed and entered into the official Senate committee record. Townsel, who was an employee of Young & Rubicam at the time of her encounter with Bolton, continued working for the company on a variety of other USAID projects.
Someone with that temper and lack of self control should not be making any type of important decision. This type of behaviour is mentioned several times in the senate confirmation section. He sucks up to people above him in the chain of command and treats everyone below him like absolute shit.

...

I have to think Trump is regretting losing Mattis at this point. Mattis at least had some degree of respectability, and had actual military experience, unlike Bolton.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9025 Posts
September 10 2019 16:16 GMT
#35844
Just got the alert from NPR. We'll see who is appointed next and what the moves are.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 10 2019 16:16 GMT
#35845
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43598 Posts
September 10 2019 16:21 GMT
#35846
In this case it must be a good thing because there’s literally nobody more Hawkish than Bolton who Trump could a point in his place.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18854 Posts
September 10 2019 16:27 GMT
#35847
Yeah, Bolton is pretty much the worst of his kind, so anyone would likely be an improvement.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
September 10 2019 17:00 GMT
#35848
It's funny cause Bolton told Trump he was quitting if he met with the Taliban on US soil on 9/11, Trump tells him to wait a day, then fires him. Bolton has been very vocal on twitter since.
Life?
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 10 2019 17:08 GMT
#35849
--- Nuked ---
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22102 Posts
September 10 2019 17:15 GMT
#35850
On September 11 2019 02:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:
It's funny cause Bolton told Trump he was quitting if he met with the Taliban on US soil on 9/11, Trump tells him to wait a day, then fires him. Bolton has been very vocal on twitter since.
Fits Trump perfectly, tomuch of a coward to fire someone in person so he tells him they'll talk about it tomorrow and then orders someone else to fire him.

Not the first time this happened.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9280 Posts
September 10 2019 17:20 GMT
#35851
Now that Bolton is fired, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump attempts to sign a new deal with Iran. A deal that's essentialy the same as the old one, but with a new name and Trump calling it a tremendous, tremendous success.
You're now breathing manually
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43598 Posts
September 10 2019 17:26 GMT
#35852
On September 11 2019 02:20 Sent. wrote:
Now that Bolton is fired, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump attempts to sign a new deal with Iran. A deal that's essentialy the same as the old one, but with a new name and Trump calling it a tremendous, tremendous success.

They already gave up their leverage. Obama wasn’t just bargaining with US sanction relief, he pulled every major nation into a US led coalition and bound all of them to the same deal. Additionally he tied it to the return of illegally seized Iranian assets that had been outstanding since the revolution. Trump let them keep the money and keep selling oil to China but released them from the treaty obligations. And because the US broke the treaty all of the penalties didn’t kick in. But even assuming the world agreed to a do-over and return to the original deal, which Iran would be unlikely to do because they’re in much better shape now, Trump has no credibility. He can’t make deals because he can’t stick to deals.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
September 10 2019 17:51 GMT
#35853
It’s definitely good that Bolton is gone and pretty disappointing that he was hired in the first place. The only good thing seems to be that Bolton was too blunt with Trump and couldn’t get what he wanted, so the relationship actually did work despite Bolton being terrible. The worry now is that the next person could have the same terrible ideas as Bolton, but could be more manipulative.

Trump does not like being told what to do, but he seems pretty easy to manipulate.
Playing better than standard requires deviation. This divergence usually results in sub-standard play.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12037 Posts
September 10 2019 18:14 GMT
#35854
On September 11 2019 02:51 RenSC2 wrote:
It’s definitely good that Bolton is gone and pretty disappointing that he was hired in the first place. The only good thing seems to be that Bolton was too blunt with Trump and couldn’t get what he wanted, so the relationship actually did work despite Bolton being terrible. The worry now is that the next person could have the same terrible ideas as Bolton, but could be more manipulative.

Trump does not like being told what to do, but he seems pretty easy to manipulate.


He seems like the type you help develop their own ideas (which are what you want) and he will then run with them. If you instead put out an analysis and say what the best option in your mind is you have a higher chance of losing him. A horrible trait in any leader.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15737 Posts
September 10 2019 22:24 GMT
#35855
On September 11 2019 01:27 farvacola wrote:
Yeah, Bolton is pretty much the worst of his kind, so anyone would likely be an improvement.


The mistake you and others are making is confining the list of people to people with foreign policy experience. It could totally just be some hack with zero experience.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9025 Posts
September 10 2019 23:04 GMT
#35856
On September 11 2019 07:24 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2019 01:27 farvacola wrote:
Yeah, Bolton is pretty much the worst of his kind, so anyone would likely be an improvement.


The mistake you and others are making is confining the list of people to people with foreign policy experience. It could totally just be some hack with zero experience.

Would be pretty par for the course in this administration.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
September 10 2019 23:19 GMT
#35857
On September 11 2019 07:24 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2019 01:27 farvacola wrote:
Yeah, Bolton is pretty much the worst of his kind, so anyone would likely be an improvement.


The mistake you and others are making is confining the list of people to people with foreign policy experience. It could totally just be some hack with zero experience.

Or someone with a vested interest in making sure no one qualified ever holds the job.

+ Show Spoiler +
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"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23657 Posts
September 10 2019 23:53 GMT
#35858
On September 11 2019 08:19 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2019 07:24 Mohdoo wrote:
On September 11 2019 01:27 farvacola wrote:
Yeah, Bolton is pretty much the worst of his kind, so anyone would likely be an improvement.


The mistake you and others are making is confining the list of people to people with foreign policy experience. It could totally just be some hack with zero experience.

Or someone with a vested interest in making sure no one qualified ever holds the job.

+ Show Spoiler +
cough+ Show Spoiler +
education+ Show Spoiler +
cough+ Show Spoiler +
EPA+ Show Spoiler +
cough


Where would Rick Perry fall in this? The guy ran for president on eliminating the DoE and after getting put in charge of it discovered what it did decided that wasn't a great idea. He's one of the longest tenured members of the administration.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
September 11 2019 00:00 GMT
#35859
On September 11 2019 08:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2019 08:19 NewSunshine wrote:
On September 11 2019 07:24 Mohdoo wrote:
On September 11 2019 01:27 farvacola wrote:
Yeah, Bolton is pretty much the worst of his kind, so anyone would likely be an improvement.


The mistake you and others are making is confining the list of people to people with foreign policy experience. It could totally just be some hack with zero experience.

Or someone with a vested interest in making sure no one qualified ever holds the job.

+ Show Spoiler +
cough+ Show Spoiler +
education+ Show Spoiler +
cough+ Show Spoiler +
EPA+ Show Spoiler +
cough


Where would Rick Perry fall in this? The guy ran for president on eliminating the DoE and after getting put in charge of it discovered what it did decided that wasn't a great idea. He's one of the longest tenured members of the administration.

He has quietly kept his head down and kept his name out of the news after the initial furor. He's certainly not competent at his actual job in the DoE, but he's still patriotic. If something goes wrong, he won't be able to fix it, but he can quietly keep things chugging along and I don't think he's going to purposely destroy the DoE now that he knows what it does.

He's just an empty suit. He probably never really deals with Trump and that seems to be the best way to stay in the Trump administration without getting fired.
Playing better than standard requires deviation. This divergence usually results in sub-standard play.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23657 Posts
September 11 2019 00:07 GMT
#35860
On September 11 2019 09:00 RenSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2019 08:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 11 2019 08:19 NewSunshine wrote:
On September 11 2019 07:24 Mohdoo wrote:
On September 11 2019 01:27 farvacola wrote:
Yeah, Bolton is pretty much the worst of his kind, so anyone would likely be an improvement.


The mistake you and others are making is confining the list of people to people with foreign policy experience. It could totally just be some hack with zero experience.

Or someone with a vested interest in making sure no one qualified ever holds the job.

+ Show Spoiler +
cough+ Show Spoiler +
education+ Show Spoiler +
cough+ Show Spoiler +
EPA+ Show Spoiler +
cough


Where would Rick Perry fall in this? The guy ran for president on eliminating the DoE and after getting put in charge of it discovered what it did decided that wasn't a great idea. He's one of the longest tenured members of the administration.

He has quietly kept his head down and kept his name out of the news after the initial furor. He's certainly not competent at his actual job in the DoE, but he's still patriotic. If something goes wrong, he won't be able to fix it, but he can quietly keep things chugging along and I don't think he's going to purposely destroy the DoE now that he knows what it does.

He's just an empty suit. He probably never really deals with Trump and that seems to be the best way to stay in the Trump administration without getting fired.


I think "chugging along" may present more vulnerabilities than it sounds like. Namely with rules and regulations falling by the wayside we're almost guaranteed to find out there's a pile of improperly disposed of nuclear waste pilling up somewhere sooner or later.

The Department of Energy is not a regulatory agency; however it does self-regulate its own radioactive waste... DOE is currently revising its radioactive waste management regulations


www.energy.gov
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