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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43672 Posts
July 11 2019 05:34 GMT
#33081
On July 11 2019 14:30 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2019 13:57 xDaunt wrote:
On July 11 2019 10:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On July 11 2019 05:27 KwarK wrote:
Introvert did you miss Nettles in this topic? He’s always going on about Clinton.

Clinton released an official statement about Epstein a couple of days back.Plus this video of Trump being asked about Bill at CPAC 2015 has been doing the rounds again lately


But I have not claimed Clinton guilty, just that I hope it’s a proper investigation.Innocent until proven guilty, that is how it should be.

When you look at Trump's statements like the one in this video and which predate his presidency, it becomes quite clear that tackling child trafficking is something that he's been planning for a long time. The same is true of his economic policies. Trump doesn't get nearly enough credit for the foresight with which he operates.


How exactly is this Trump "tackling child trafficking"? Is this not happening in spite of him, not because of him?

It's a QAnon thing where Trump accepted the presidency, despite the great personal cost, because he's deeply committed to bringing down the child sex trafficking ring which secretly runs the world. xDaunt and Nettles are both conspiracy theorists and really buy into this kind of lunacy.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-11 06:39:45
July 11 2019 06:34 GMT
#33082
On July 11 2019 14:06 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2019 13:57 xDaunt wrote:
On July 11 2019 10:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On July 11 2019 05:27 KwarK wrote:
Introvert did you miss Nettles in this topic? He’s always going on about Clinton.

Clinton released an official statement about Epstein a couple of days back.Plus this video of Trump being asked about Bill at CPAC 2015 has been doing the rounds again lately
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vh0AklSXkU

But I have not claimed Clinton guilty, just that I hope it’s a proper investigation.Innocent until proven guilty, that is how it should be.

When you look at Trump's statements like the one in this video and which predate his presidency, it becomes quite clear that tackling child trafficking is something that he's been planning for a long time. The same is true of his economic policies. Trump doesn't get nearly enough credit for the foresight with which he operates.

Trump routinely fails to predict the end of sentences he’s currently saying. I honestly have no idea what the reality you’re living in looks like because it’s certainly nothing like this one. This is a man who is surrounded by experts telling him that if you introduce energy into a system then the forecast is that it gets more energetic and what he takes from that is that American air is far more beautiful than Chinese air.

I wouldn’t trust Trump to forecast yesterday’s weather and I honestly doubt he could.


This is what continues to baffle me. The guy literally struggles to form complete sentences, spell basic words, and understand the simplest of concepts, yet he is supposed to be some secret mastermind? I cannot even begin to understand what would cause someone to adopt that worldview in spite of the clear evidence of who he is.

I genuinely believe there is more than enough evidence to show that he is, at least, an idiot. That or he is suffering from some extreme cognitive disability. Perhaps both since if you compare the way he talks now to much older videos, he sounds completely different (he used to talk like a normal adult for the most part).
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7992 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-11 08:14:42
July 11 2019 07:40 GMT
#33083
On July 11 2019 15:34 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2019 14:06 KwarK wrote:
On July 11 2019 13:57 xDaunt wrote:
On July 11 2019 10:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On July 11 2019 05:27 KwarK wrote:
Introvert did you miss Nettles in this topic? He’s always going on about Clinton.

Clinton released an official statement about Epstein a couple of days back.Plus this video of Trump being asked about Bill at CPAC 2015 has been doing the rounds again lately
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vh0AklSXkU

But I have not claimed Clinton guilty, just that I hope it’s a proper investigation.Innocent until proven guilty, that is how it should be.

When you look at Trump's statements like the one in this video and which predate his presidency, it becomes quite clear that tackling child trafficking is something that he's been planning for a long time. The same is true of his economic policies. Trump doesn't get nearly enough credit for the foresight with which he operates.

Trump routinely fails to predict the end of sentences he’s currently saying. I honestly have no idea what the reality you’re living in looks like because it’s certainly nothing like this one. This is a man who is surrounded by experts telling him that if you introduce energy into a system then the forecast is that it gets more energetic and what he takes from that is that American air is far more beautiful than Chinese air.

I wouldn’t trust Trump to forecast yesterday’s weather and I honestly doubt he could.


This is what continues to baffle me. The guy literally struggles to form complete sentences, spell basic words, and understand the simplest of concepts, yet he is supposed to be some secret mastermind? I cannot even begin to understand what would cause someone to adopt that worldview in spite of the clear evidence of who he is.

I genuinely believe there is more than enough evidence to show that he is, at least, an idiot. That or he is suffering from some extreme cognitive disability. Perhaps both since if you compare the way he talks now to much older videos, he sounds completely different (he used to talk like a normal adult for the most part).

Frankly I mostly blame pride. It would take a really special person with an unusual strength of character to admit they have defended tooth and nail an idiot and that everybody who told them so were right.

The most devastating critic I have read from our arch-conservatives here about Trump was that he is “not a saint” or something like that. They are entrenched there and will just die on that hill no matter what because they probably assume they would look like fools if they admitted that the guy should have never, in any world, be given more responsibilities than the management of a french fried stand.


The Trump crusading against child abuse conspiracy thing is one of the funniest thing I have read in that thread btw. Didn’t know about that one..
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
July 11 2019 10:02 GMT
#33084
On July 11 2019 15:34 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2019 14:06 KwarK wrote:
On July 11 2019 13:57 xDaunt wrote:
On July 11 2019 10:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On July 11 2019 05:27 KwarK wrote:
Introvert did you miss Nettles in this topic? He’s always going on about Clinton.

Clinton released an official statement about Epstein a couple of days back.Plus this video of Trump being asked about Bill at CPAC 2015 has been doing the rounds again lately
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vh0AklSXkU

But I have not claimed Clinton guilty, just that I hope it’s a proper investigation.Innocent until proven guilty, that is how it should be.

When you look at Trump's statements like the one in this video and which predate his presidency, it becomes quite clear that tackling child trafficking is something that he's been planning for a long time. The same is true of his economic policies. Trump doesn't get nearly enough credit for the foresight with which he operates.

Trump routinely fails to predict the end of sentences he’s currently saying. I honestly have no idea what the reality you’re living in looks like because it’s certainly nothing like this one. This is a man who is surrounded by experts telling him that if you introduce energy into a system then the forecast is that it gets more energetic and what he takes from that is that American air is far more beautiful than Chinese air.

I wouldn’t trust Trump to forecast yesterday’s weather and I honestly doubt he could.


This is what continues to baffle me. The guy literally struggles to form complete sentences, spell basic words, and understand the simplest of concepts, yet he is supposed to be some secret mastermind? I cannot even begin to understand what would cause someone to adopt that worldview in spite of the clear evidence of who he is.

I genuinely believe there is more than enough evidence to show that he is, at least, an idiot. That or he is suffering from some extreme cognitive disability. Perhaps both since if you compare the way he talks now to much older videos, he sounds completely different (he used to talk like a normal adult for the most part).


While I might use the word in wrath now and again, I wouldn't say Trump is an idiot; rather he's very intelligent on a very limited spectrum and spectacularly ignorant outside it. The man is very talented at manipulating people, at reading the room, as it were, playing crowds, all that stuff. It does take talent and a certain kind of smarts to figure out exactly what a nation of millions of people want to hear and how to approach it to get elected as President.

Of course the other side of this is that these are talents many people wouldn't want.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10855 Posts
July 11 2019 10:07 GMT
#33085
Uhm, he hasn't shown this ability/talent anywhere outside of, well, crowds that just want to own the libs more than anything else.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22129 Posts
July 11 2019 10:07 GMT
#33086
On July 11 2019 14:30 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2019 13:57 xDaunt wrote:
On July 11 2019 10:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On July 11 2019 05:27 KwarK wrote:
Introvert did you miss Nettles in this topic? He’s always going on about Clinton.

Clinton released an official statement about Epstein a couple of days back.Plus this video of Trump being asked about Bill at CPAC 2015 has been doing the rounds again lately
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vh0AklSXkU

But I have not claimed Clinton guilty, just that I hope it’s a proper investigation.Innocent until proven guilty, that is how it should be.

When you look at Trump's statements like the one in this video and which predate his presidency, it becomes quite clear that tackling child trafficking is something that he's been planning for a long time. The same is true of his economic policies. Trump doesn't get nearly enough credit for the foresight with which he operates.


How exactly is this Trump "tackling child trafficking"? Is this not happening in spite of him, not because of him?
Does separating children from their parents and failing to properly register them so that they become lost count? Tho that is more fostering child trafficking then tackling it.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18855 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-11 11:25:31
July 11 2019 11:24 GMT
#33087
Trump's proposed budget incorporates Acosta's desire to slash funding for anti-human trafficking programs.

Alexander Acosta, the US labor secretary under fire for having granted Jeffrey Epstein immunity from federal prosecution in 2008, after the billionaire was investigated for having run a child sex trafficking ring, is proposing 80% funding cuts for the government agency that combats child sex trafficking.

Acosta’s plan to slash funding of a critical federal agency in the fight against the sexual exploitation of children is contained in his financial plans for the Department of Labor for fiscal year 2020. In it, he proposes decimating the resources of a section of his own department known as the International Labor Affairs Bureau (ILAB).

The bureau’s budget would fall from $68m last year to just $18.5m. The proposed reduction is so drastic that experts say it would effectively kill off many federal efforts to curb sex trafficking and put the lives of large numbers of children at risk.

ILAB has the task of countering human trafficking, child labor and forced labor across the US and around the world. Its mission is “to promote a fair global playing field for workers” and it is seen as a crucial leader in efforts to crack down on the sex trafficking of minors.

Katherine Clark, a congresswoman from Massachusetts, said Acosta’s proposed cut was “reckless” and “amoral”. When seen alongside the sweetheart plea deal he granted Epstein in 2008, when Acosta was the US attorney in Miami, she said, it indicated that the labor secretary did not see protecting vulnerable children as a priority.

“This is now a pattern,” Clark told the Guardian. “Like so many in this administration Mr Acosta chooses the powerful and wealthy over the vulnerable and victims of sexual assault and it is time that he finds another line of work.”

Clark grilled Acosta about the proposed cuts in April, when he presented his departmental budget to the House appropriations subcommittee. On that occasion, she said, she found him “rude, dismissive, challenging”.

“I’m sure this is a very uncomfortable topic for him,” Clark said, “but I don’t think he should be able to hide from it.”

Acosta is facing mounting pressure from Democrats to resign, over the lenient deal he gave Epstein and in the wake of the billionaire’s new prosecution. Epstein was arrested on Saturday and indicted on two sex trafficking counts by federal prosecutors in the southern district of New York in an apparent rebuke to Acosta’s earlier decision.

Under the 2008 deal negotiated by Acosta, an FBI investigation that had produced a 53-page draft indictment involving more than 30 potential underage victims was shut down. The billionaire only had to plead guilty to lesser state charges of soliciting women who were controversially labeled prostitutes.

Epstein ended up serving 13 months in a Florida jail during which he was allowed out six days a week to attend his plush business offices.

Senior Democrats have been lining up to call for Acosta to go. On Tuesday the party leader in the Senate, Chuck Schumer, accused the labor secretary of having let a serial sex trafficker “off easy”.

Schumer said: “This is not acceptable. We cannot have as one of the leading appointed officials in America someone who has done this.”

Others to call for Acosta to go include House speaker Nancy Pelosi, the most powerful Democrat in Congress, Tim Kaine, a senator from Virginia, and former vice-president Joe Biden, now running for the presidential nomination.

On Tuesday, Donald Trump gave his first comments since Epstein’s arrest. Speaking to reporters in the Oval Office, the president praised Acosta as an “excellent secretary of labor” said: “The rest of it we’ll have to look at very carefully but you are talking about a long time ago.”

Trump tried to minimize Acosta’s role in the 2008 plea deal, saying: “I hear there were a lot of people involved in that decision not just him.”

The Department of Labor is widely respected for its vital role in investigating, prosecuting and preventing human trafficking worldwide. Experts say any major cut to ILAB would be a direct threat to the US government’s ability to combat the sexual exploitation of children.

“A huge cut of this sort is bound to expose children to more risk of sexual trafficking,” said Kathleen Kim, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles who co-authored California’s law on human trafficking.

“An 80% reduction at ILAB will undoubtedly eliminate many of the US government’s anti-human trafficking efforts that have been critical in encouraging action by law enforcement.”

Kim said Acosta having granted the lenient plea deal to Epstein, combined with the proposed cuts to ILAB, made it entirely inappropriate that he continued in his current role.

“He should step down,” she said.

The battle over the future of ILAB is ongoing. Acosta’s proposed cuts were imported into Trump’s $4.7tn federal budget, released in March, which contains several Republican goals including extra money for the military and funding of the president’s beloved border wall.

The Democrats have responded with a 2020 House budget that passed in June. It would see ILAB resources expand to $122m.


“Congress ultimately makes the decisions about how money is spent and appropriated,” said Clark. “We will prevail and the bureau will not be shuttered if we can get this item through Congress.”


Source
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9639 Posts
July 11 2019 11:32 GMT
#33088
yea but if you just listen to trump it’s made clear his plan.
plated.rawr
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Norway1676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-11 12:12:15
July 11 2019 12:07 GMT
#33089
On July 11 2019 20:24 farvacola wrote:
Trump's proposed budget incorporates Acosta's desire to slash funding for anti-human trafficking programs.

Show nested quote +
Alexander Acosta, the US labor secretary under fire for having granted Jeffrey Epstein immunity from federal prosecution in 2008, after the billionaire was investigated for having run a child sex trafficking ring, is proposing 80% funding cuts for the government agency that combats child sex trafficking.

Acosta’s plan to slash funding of a critical federal agency in the fight against the sexual exploitation of children is contained in his financial plans for the Department of Labor for fiscal year 2020. In it, he proposes decimating the resources of a section of his own department known as the International Labor Affairs Bureau (ILAB).

The bureau’s budget would fall from $68m last year to just $18.5m. The proposed reduction is so drastic that experts say it would effectively kill off many federal efforts to curb sex trafficking and put the lives of large numbers of children at risk.

ILAB has the task of countering human trafficking, child labor and forced labor across the US and around the world. Its mission is “to promote a fair global playing field for workers” and it is seen as a crucial leader in efforts to crack down on the sex trafficking of minors.

Katherine Clark, a congresswoman from Massachusetts, said Acosta’s proposed cut was “reckless” and “amoral”. When seen alongside the sweetheart plea deal he granted Epstein in 2008, when Acosta was the US attorney in Miami, she said, it indicated that the labor secretary did not see protecting vulnerable children as a priority.

“This is now a pattern,” Clark told the Guardian. “Like so many in this administration Mr Acosta chooses the powerful and wealthy over the vulnerable and victims of sexual assault and it is time that he finds another line of work.”

Clark grilled Acosta about the proposed cuts in April, when he presented his departmental budget to the House appropriations subcommittee. On that occasion, she said, she found him “rude, dismissive, challenging”.

“I’m sure this is a very uncomfortable topic for him,” Clark said, “but I don’t think he should be able to hide from it.”

Acosta is facing mounting pressure from Democrats to resign, over the lenient deal he gave Epstein and in the wake of the billionaire’s new prosecution. Epstein was arrested on Saturday and indicted on two sex trafficking counts by federal prosecutors in the southern district of New York in an apparent rebuke to Acosta’s earlier decision.

Under the 2008 deal negotiated by Acosta, an FBI investigation that had produced a 53-page draft indictment involving more than 30 potential underage victims was shut down. The billionaire only had to plead guilty to lesser state charges of soliciting women who were controversially labeled prostitutes.

Epstein ended up serving 13 months in a Florida jail during which he was allowed out six days a week to attend his plush business offices.

Senior Democrats have been lining up to call for Acosta to go. On Tuesday the party leader in the Senate, Chuck Schumer, accused the labor secretary of having let a serial sex trafficker “off easy”.

Schumer said: “This is not acceptable. We cannot have as one of the leading appointed officials in America someone who has done this.”

Others to call for Acosta to go include House speaker Nancy Pelosi, the most powerful Democrat in Congress, Tim Kaine, a senator from Virginia, and former vice-president Joe Biden, now running for the presidential nomination.

On Tuesday, Donald Trump gave his first comments since Epstein’s arrest. Speaking to reporters in the Oval Office, the president praised Acosta as an “excellent secretary of labor” said: “The rest of it we’ll have to look at very carefully but you are talking about a long time ago.”

Trump tried to minimize Acosta’s role in the 2008 plea deal, saying: “I hear there were a lot of people involved in that decision not just him.”

The Department of Labor is widely respected for its vital role in investigating, prosecuting and preventing human trafficking worldwide. Experts say any major cut to ILAB would be a direct threat to the US government’s ability to combat the sexual exploitation of children.

“A huge cut of this sort is bound to expose children to more risk of sexual trafficking,” said Kathleen Kim, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles who co-authored California’s law on human trafficking.

“An 80% reduction at ILAB will undoubtedly eliminate many of the US government’s anti-human trafficking efforts that have been critical in encouraging action by law enforcement.”

Kim said Acosta having granted the lenient plea deal to Epstein, combined with the proposed cuts to ILAB, made it entirely inappropriate that he continued in his current role.

“He should step down,” she said.

The battle over the future of ILAB is ongoing. Acosta’s proposed cuts were imported into Trump’s $4.7tn federal budget, released in March, which contains several Republican goals including extra money for the military and funding of the president’s beloved border wall.

The Democrats have responded with a 2020 House budget that passed in June. It would see ILAB resources expand to $122m.


“Congress ultimately makes the decisions about how money is spent and appropriated,” said Clark. “We will prevail and the bureau will not be shuttered if we can get this item through Congress.”


Source

Call me a crazy conspiracy theorist, but detaining and separating underage refugees who then "disappear without a trace", severely crippling the bureau meant to deal with child sex trafficking, and the Epstein case and his supposed tight connection to governement handlers... it's all terribly convenient.

Even if it's all incidental, it doesnt paint a pretty picture. Dealing with either of the three in a satisfactory manner would put my mind at rest, yet your current admin seems to have no interest in even appearing to act in a manner acceptable for basic humanitarianism.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
July 11 2019 13:22 GMT
#33090
I mean Trunp did stiff a ton of workers at his towers. He could care less about other people than his own.
Life?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-11 13:48:50
July 11 2019 13:44 GMT
#33091
On July 11 2019 14:34 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2019 14:30 JimmiC wrote:
On July 11 2019 13:57 xDaunt wrote:
On July 11 2019 10:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On July 11 2019 05:27 KwarK wrote:
Introvert did you miss Nettles in this topic? He’s always going on about Clinton.

Clinton released an official statement about Epstein a couple of days back.Plus this video of Trump being asked about Bill at CPAC 2015 has been doing the rounds again lately
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vh0AklSXkU

But I have not claimed Clinton guilty, just that I hope it’s a proper investigation.Innocent until proven guilty, that is how it should be.

When you look at Trump's statements like the one in this video and which predate his presidency, it becomes quite clear that tackling child trafficking is something that he's been planning for a long time. The same is true of his economic policies. Trump doesn't get nearly enough credit for the foresight with which he operates.


How exactly is this Trump "tackling child trafficking"? Is this not happening in spite of him, not because of him?

It's a QAnon thing where Trump accepted the presidency, despite the great personal cost, because he's deeply committed to bringing down the child sex trafficking ring which secretly runs the world. xDaunt and Nettles are both conspiracy theorists and really buy into this kind of lunacy.

There’s no conspiracy theory at all. Trump has made multiple executive orders targeting human and sex trafficking, and arrests for those crimes are hugely up during his administration as a result. Hell, stopping trafficking is also one of the major reasons Trump has used to justify the wall. To say that he hasn't made this is a priority is just nuts.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 11 2019 13:44 GMT
#33092
--- Nuked ---
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43672 Posts
July 11 2019 13:53 GMT
#33093
On July 11 2019 22:44 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2019 14:34 KwarK wrote:
On July 11 2019 14:30 JimmiC wrote:
On July 11 2019 13:57 xDaunt wrote:
On July 11 2019 10:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On July 11 2019 05:27 KwarK wrote:
Introvert did you miss Nettles in this topic? He’s always going on about Clinton.

Clinton released an official statement about Epstein a couple of days back.Plus this video of Trump being asked about Bill at CPAC 2015 has been doing the rounds again lately
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vh0AklSXkU

But I have not claimed Clinton guilty, just that I hope it’s a proper investigation.Innocent until proven guilty, that is how it should be.

When you look at Trump's statements like the one in this video and which predate his presidency, it becomes quite clear that tackling child trafficking is something that he's been planning for a long time. The same is true of his economic policies. Trump doesn't get nearly enough credit for the foresight with which he operates.


How exactly is this Trump "tackling child trafficking"? Is this not happening in spite of him, not because of him?

It's a QAnon thing where Trump accepted the presidency, despite the great personal cost, because he's deeply committed to bringing down the child sex trafficking ring which secretly runs the world. xDaunt and Nettles are both conspiracy theorists and really buy into this kind of lunacy.

There’s no conspiracy theory at all. Trump has made multiple executive orders targeting human and sex trafficking, and arrests for those crimes are hugely up during his administration as a result. Hell, stopping trafficking is also one of the major reasons Trump has used to justify the wall. To say that he hasn't made this is a priority is just nuts.

Thus explaining why his government is defunding anti trafficking as shown above.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 11 2019 13:55 GMT
#33094
On July 11 2019 22:53 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2019 22:44 xDaunt wrote:
On July 11 2019 14:34 KwarK wrote:
On July 11 2019 14:30 JimmiC wrote:
On July 11 2019 13:57 xDaunt wrote:
On July 11 2019 10:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On July 11 2019 05:27 KwarK wrote:
Introvert did you miss Nettles in this topic? He’s always going on about Clinton.

Clinton released an official statement about Epstein a couple of days back.Plus this video of Trump being asked about Bill at CPAC 2015 has been doing the rounds again lately
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vh0AklSXkU

But I have not claimed Clinton guilty, just that I hope it’s a proper investigation.Innocent until proven guilty, that is how it should be.

When you look at Trump's statements like the one in this video and which predate his presidency, it becomes quite clear that tackling child trafficking is something that he's been planning for a long time. The same is true of his economic policies. Trump doesn't get nearly enough credit for the foresight with which he operates.


How exactly is this Trump "tackling child trafficking"? Is this not happening in spite of him, not because of him?

It's a QAnon thing where Trump accepted the presidency, despite the great personal cost, because he's deeply committed to bringing down the child sex trafficking ring which secretly runs the world. xDaunt and Nettles are both conspiracy theorists and really buy into this kind of lunacy.

There’s no conspiracy theory at all. Trump has made multiple executive orders targeting human and sex trafficking, and arrests for those crimes are hugely up during his administration as a result. Hell, stopping trafficking is also one of the major reasons Trump has used to justify the wall. To say that he hasn't made this is a priority is just nuts.

Thus explaining why his government is defunding anti trafficking as shown above.

I dunno what the reasoning is for defunding those specific programs (or if it is even his doing), but it's silly to simply presume that he's doing it to make trafficking easier.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
July 11 2019 13:59 GMT
#33095
On July 11 2019 22:55 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2019 22:53 KwarK wrote:
On July 11 2019 22:44 xDaunt wrote:
On July 11 2019 14:34 KwarK wrote:
On July 11 2019 14:30 JimmiC wrote:
On July 11 2019 13:57 xDaunt wrote:
On July 11 2019 10:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On July 11 2019 05:27 KwarK wrote:
Introvert did you miss Nettles in this topic? He’s always going on about Clinton.

Clinton released an official statement about Epstein a couple of days back.Plus this video of Trump being asked about Bill at CPAC 2015 has been doing the rounds again lately
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vh0AklSXkU

But I have not claimed Clinton guilty, just that I hope it’s a proper investigation.Innocent until proven guilty, that is how it should be.

When you look at Trump's statements like the one in this video and which predate his presidency, it becomes quite clear that tackling child trafficking is something that he's been planning for a long time. The same is true of his economic policies. Trump doesn't get nearly enough credit for the foresight with which he operates.


How exactly is this Trump "tackling child trafficking"? Is this not happening in spite of him, not because of him?

It's a QAnon thing where Trump accepted the presidency, despite the great personal cost, because he's deeply committed to bringing down the child sex trafficking ring which secretly runs the world. xDaunt and Nettles are both conspiracy theorists and really buy into this kind of lunacy.

There’s no conspiracy theory at all. Trump has made multiple executive orders targeting human and sex trafficking, and arrests for those crimes are hugely up during his administration as a result. Hell, stopping trafficking is also one of the major reasons Trump has used to justify the wall. To say that he hasn't made this is a priority is just nuts.

Thus explaining why his government is defunding anti trafficking as shown above.

I dunno what the reasoning is for defunding those specific programs (or if it is even his doing), but it's silly to simply presume that he's doing it to make trafficking easier.

I agree.
Very little seems to be done with intent or in a planned manner by this administration.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43672 Posts
July 11 2019 14:00 GMT
#33096
On July 11 2019 22:55 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2019 22:53 KwarK wrote:
On July 11 2019 22:44 xDaunt wrote:
On July 11 2019 14:34 KwarK wrote:
On July 11 2019 14:30 JimmiC wrote:
On July 11 2019 13:57 xDaunt wrote:
On July 11 2019 10:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On July 11 2019 05:27 KwarK wrote:
Introvert did you miss Nettles in this topic? He’s always going on about Clinton.

Clinton released an official statement about Epstein a couple of days back.Plus this video of Trump being asked about Bill at CPAC 2015 has been doing the rounds again lately
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vh0AklSXkU

But I have not claimed Clinton guilty, just that I hope it’s a proper investigation.Innocent until proven guilty, that is how it should be.

When you look at Trump's statements like the one in this video and which predate his presidency, it becomes quite clear that tackling child trafficking is something that he's been planning for a long time. The same is true of his economic policies. Trump doesn't get nearly enough credit for the foresight with which he operates.


How exactly is this Trump "tackling child trafficking"? Is this not happening in spite of him, not because of him?

It's a QAnon thing where Trump accepted the presidency, despite the great personal cost, because he's deeply committed to bringing down the child sex trafficking ring which secretly runs the world. xDaunt and Nettles are both conspiracy theorists and really buy into this kind of lunacy.

There’s no conspiracy theory at all. Trump has made multiple executive orders targeting human and sex trafficking, and arrests for those crimes are hugely up during his administration as a result. Hell, stopping trafficking is also one of the major reasons Trump has used to justify the wall. To say that he hasn't made this is a priority is just nuts.

Thus explaining why his government is defunding anti trafficking as shown above.

I dunno what the reasoning is for defunding those specific programs (or if it is even his doing), but it's silly to simply presume that he's doing it to make trafficking easier.

Nobody said anything about him doing it to make it easier. You’re disagreeing with a presumption that Trump is pro trafficking which nobody made. The argument which was made is that stating the wall, which he wants anyway, will help prevent trafficking is not evidence that he is serious in tackling trafficking while he is simultaneously defunding explicitly anti trafficking programs.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 11 2019 14:01 GMT
#33097
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-11 14:17:36
July 11 2019 14:13 GMT
#33098
On July 11 2019 23:01 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2019 22:55 xDaunt wrote:
On July 11 2019 22:53 KwarK wrote:
On July 11 2019 22:44 xDaunt wrote:
On July 11 2019 14:34 KwarK wrote:
On July 11 2019 14:30 JimmiC wrote:
On July 11 2019 13:57 xDaunt wrote:
On July 11 2019 10:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On July 11 2019 05:27 KwarK wrote:
Introvert did you miss Nettles in this topic? He’s always going on about Clinton.

Clinton released an official statement about Epstein a couple of days back.Plus this video of Trump being asked about Bill at CPAC 2015 has been doing the rounds again lately
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vh0AklSXkU

But I have not claimed Clinton guilty, just that I hope it’s a proper investigation.Innocent until proven guilty, that is how it should be.

When you look at Trump's statements like the one in this video and which predate his presidency, it becomes quite clear that tackling child trafficking is something that he's been planning for a long time. The same is true of his economic policies. Trump doesn't get nearly enough credit for the foresight with which he operates.


How exactly is this Trump "tackling child trafficking"? Is this not happening in spite of him, not because of him?

It's a QAnon thing where Trump accepted the presidency, despite the great personal cost, because he's deeply committed to bringing down the child sex trafficking ring which secretly runs the world. xDaunt and Nettles are both conspiracy theorists and really buy into this kind of lunacy.

There’s no conspiracy theory at all. Trump has made multiple executive orders targeting human and sex trafficking, and arrests for those crimes are hugely up during his administration as a result. Hell, stopping trafficking is also one of the major reasons Trump has used to justify the wall. To say that he hasn't made this is a priority is just nuts.

Thus explaining why his government is defunding anti trafficking as shown above.

I dunno what the reasoning is for defunding those specific programs (or if it is even his doing), but it's silly to simply presume that he's doing it to make trafficking easier.



I don't think that it means that he is doing it to make trafficking easier. But it does show that stopping it isn't a priority for him.

You can't presume this. This argument doesn't account for other programs that also fight trafficking. One of Trump's orders redirected $400-500 million to fight trafficking -- a sum that dwarfs the Acosta cuts. It could be that Trump has decided that the DOL is entirely ineffective at fighting trafficking, thus sees little point in funding it. Given that trafficking is fundamentally a law enforcement problem requiring investigation and prosecution, it's very possible that the Trump administration has decided that trafficking should be dealt with by other agencies.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-11 14:32:20
July 11 2019 14:30 GMT
#33099
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43672 Posts
July 11 2019 14:53 GMT
#33100
I thought the whole point of being a billionaire is that you don’t have to be nice to anyone because everyone is nice to dollars. If being a billionaire forces you to hang out with child molesters then it’d be like prison.

It seems more likely to me that when Trump says “Epstein is a great guy” what he really means, under all the subtext, is that “Epstein is a great guy”.
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