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hunts
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GreenHorizons
United States24052 Posts
On July 12 2019 02:28 hunts wrote: Are people seriously comparing Biden being creepy and slightly inappropriate with children to literally child sex trafficking? Are you really insinuating the two are the same or even remotely similar? That's just extremely disingenuous. What you're doing is akin to saying a guy who started a fist fight at a bar is equally as bad as Charles Manson. Sure Bidens interactions are a bit less than appropriate, but they were not malicious or sexual in any way. He didn't go around literally trafficking minors for sex like epstein did, and he didn't go around praising epsteins love of children like trump did. Not to mention there are literal accusations of trump raping minors. See, this is pretty much exactly the argument I was talking about would come in the general. Then if something like credible accusations of Biden doing more than acting "slightly inappropriately" with kids comes up, Democrats don't go "oh well, guess Trump wins, shrug". They instead explain how they oppose child molesters or whatever, but they have to vote for this one and you should too. | ||
KwarK
United States44128 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24052 Posts
On July 12 2019 03:19 KwarK wrote: GH, given the recent revelations that all of the Seth Rivh and Killary shit that was peddled a few years ago was the product of an intentional Russian psyops attack on the American people to try to help get Trump elected aren’t you even slightly worried that your strong feelings on Biden might not be your own? No. Biden's despicable nature is disqualifying long before we even get to his personal "peccadillos". | ||
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KwarK
United States44128 Posts
On July 12 2019 03:21 GreenHorizons wrote: No. Biden's despicable nature is disqualifying long before we even get to his personal "peccadillos". And yet it is this idea that he touches kids inappropriately that you seem to be pushing. Not that he’s a shitty candidate for other reasons. Out of interest I did a search for “Seth Rich” and some usernames to see who on TL was taken in by the Russian psyops attack. Nettles obviously was pushing it hard, but there’s never been a Russian conspiracy theory he didn’t love. xDaunt was doing his classic “it stinks, I’m not saying it’s real but it’s real” thing that he does on everything. And you were there too. Given that you have a history of having eaten this shit up in the past when the subject was someone you have reason to dislike anyway and the theory aligns with your worldview, perhaps you should be more worried. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24052 Posts
On July 12 2019 03:28 KwarK wrote: And yet it is this idea that he touches kids inappropriately that you seem to be pushing. Out of interest I did a search for “Seth Rich” and some usernames to see who on TL was taken in by the Russian psyops attack. Nettles obviously was pushing it hard, but there’s never been a Russian conspiracy theory he didn’t love. xDaunt was doing his classic “it stinks, I’m not saying it’s real but it’s real” thing that he does on everything. And you were there too. Given that you have a history of having eaten this shit up in the past when the subject was someone you have reason to dislike anyway and the theory aligns with your worldview, perhaps you should be more worried. iirc I said that it's probably nothing but is emblematic of our shit tier policing and the reaction from authorities questionable, but "eaten this shit up" seems like a stretch lol. The cspan video of Biden making women and young girls uncomfortable isn't a Russian psy op (the youtube compilations probably are in some cases), but it's also not why I personally wouldn't even be considering voting for him (not that it helps either lol). The only reason it came up was as an example of how Democrats will also vote for despicable people and justify it by saying the alternative is worse. So I was saying they should stop pretending it's a uniquely Republican/conservative phenomena. There's lots of other aspects that make Biden a terrible candidate and person in general but they seemed less topical. I'm not opposed to explaining the concept through that. I have tried a little with Obama's unsanitary caging of children and helping children be murdered with bombs while they are on their school buses and in hospitals. He didn't traffic/abduct them anywhere or rape/molest them afaik though so... I presume that's all acceptable under the "better than Trump" banner | ||
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hunts
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GreenHorizons
United States24052 Posts
On July 12 2019 03:40 hunts wrote: Right now you are comparing bidens slight inappropriateness to trump and Epstein quite literally trafficking and raping minors. That's quite literally NOT what's happening. My reference to "trafficking" in the previous post is borrowing the term people are using for Trump's family separation policy. Perhaps "abducting" would be clearer? If anything I'm comparing Democrats ability to support candidates with responsibility for caging, bombing/murdering, and starving children to Republicans ability to do the same. Not allegations either, we know for a fact the people Dems and Republicans support have done this. | ||
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KwarK
United States44128 Posts
On July 12 2019 03:40 hunts wrote: If a credible accusation comes out against Biden that would be quite different from what is going on. Right now you are comparing bidens slight inappropriateness to trump and Epstein quite literally trafficking and raping minors. In fairness there’s no evidence that Trump fucks kids. He bragged about being able to walk into changing rooms of teenage girls competing in his pageants and inspect the merchandise. He’s bragged about how he likes to sexually assault women. He’s spoken in pretty explicit terms about his desires for some inappropriately young women. His first wife alleged that he raped her, as have a number of other women including some that allege they were underage. But that just gets us motive, a history of doing these things, credible victims, a smoking gun, and videos of him talking about how he loves pulling triggers. We don’t have the video of him pulling the trigger. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 12 2019 03:28 KwarK wrote: And yet it is this idea that he touches kids inappropriately that you seem to be pushing. Not that he’s a shitty candidate for other reasons. Out of interest I did a search for “Seth Rich” and some usernames to see who on TL was taken in by the Russian psyops attack. Nettles obviously was pushing it hard, but there’s never been a Russian conspiracy theory he didn’t love. xDaunt was doing his classic “it stinks, I’m not saying it’s real but it’s real” thing that he does on everything. And you were there too. Given that you have a history of having eaten this shit up in the past when the subject was someone you have reason to dislike anyway and the theory aligns with your worldview, perhaps you should be more worried. My point was pretty clearly that journalists should be free to investigate the matter. They sometimes catch things that would otherwise go unnoticed. Just look at what has happened with Epstein. Journalists have played a role in bringing the 2007 plea deal to light. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On July 12 2019 03:44 GreenHorizons wrote: If anything I'm comparing Democrats ability to support candidates with responsibility for caging, bombing/murdering, and starving children to Republicans ability to do the same. In your eyes, have you made this point before? Do you see any difference between this and what we have all heard from you at least 600 times? To me, it feels like you see it as your duty to do all you can to reform the way we allow our politicians to get away with things. To accomplish that, you pound the same ideas over and over in hopes you can change a couple minds. In a way, you use TL as a place to perform activism/outreach by choosing to ignore what would make the conversation better for the sake of making the world a better place. I think it is a little misguided, but I can understand the ethics of it. On July 12 2019 03:28 KwarK wrote: And yet it is this idea that he touches kids inappropriately that you seem to be pushing. Not that he’s a shitty candidate for other reasons. Out of interest I did a search for “Seth Rich” and some usernames to see who on TL was taken in by the Russian psyops attack. Nettles obviously was pushing it hard, but there’s never been a Russian conspiracy theory he didn’t love. xDaunt was doing his classic “it stinks, I’m not saying it’s real but it’s real” thing that he does on everything. And you were there too. Given that you have a history of having eaten this shit up in the past when the subject was someone you have reason to dislike anyway and the theory aligns with your worldview, perhaps you should be more worried. Don't forget Clinton Uranium. Remember how many times we heard a certain poster say the "shoe was about to drop"? lmao | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24052 Posts
On July 12 2019 03:52 Mohdoo wrote: In your eyes, have you made this point before? Do you see any difference between this and what we have all heard from you at least 600 times? Yes. People's positions and perspectives are improving. To me, it feels like you see it as your duty to do all you can to reform the way we allow our politicians to get away with things. Great deal of our serious problems we face as a nation and planet boil down to a lack of accountability that has to be addressed. This point is at the center of that. All the nice plans in the world don't mean squat if we're expecting to vote them into action. You'll struggle to find any significant change in US history that didn't come with a knock down, drag out, bloody fight because it's the only advantage the masses have over our oligarchs. Expecting to vote in the reform we need requires a complete disregard for how change is actually made real in the US (and beyond for that matter). The legislation/voting is one of the last parts as well as the honoring of that legislation/promises. To accomplish that, you pound the same ideas over and over in hopes you can change a couple minds. It hasn't been wholly ineffective? In a way, you use TL as a place to perform activism/outreach of course? by choosing to ignore what would make the conversation better for the sake of making the world a better place. How do you make those separate without being superficial and vacuous? I think it is a little misguided, but I can understand the ethics of it. You're entitled to your opinion, I just think it's demonstrably wrong. And if we're talking misguided, Democrat voters may only be second to Republicans in that. I however don't understand the ethics they are employing beyond "get mine". EDIT: People died fighting our oligarchs to give us weekends, that's not hyperbole. | ||
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KwarK
United States44128 Posts
On July 12 2019 03:50 xDaunt wrote: My point was pretty clearly that journalists should be free to investigate the matter. They sometimes catch things that would otherwise go unnoticed. Just look at what has happened with Epstein. Journalists have played a role in bringing the 2007 plea deal to light. I’m not saying you were sucked in by the Russian psyops attack, just that we should talk about whether you were sucked in by the attack. It’s important to talk about things. Do you dispute that talking has played a big role in human civilization? I think posters should be free to discuss how you got sucked in (if you did), and how foolish that now makes you look, and when it comes down to it I think freedom is the most important thing. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8115 Posts
On July 12 2019 04:06 KwarK wrote: I’m not saying you were sucked in by the Russian psyops attack, just that we should talk about whether you were sucked in by the attack. It’s important to talk about things. Do you dispute that talking has played a big role in human civilization? I think posters should be free to discuss how you got sucked in (if you did), and how foolish that now makes you look, and when it comes down to it I think freedom is the most important thing. I just spat my coffee. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 12 2019 04:06 KwarK wrote: I’m not saying you were sucked in by the Russian psyops attack, just that we should talk about whether you were sucked in by the attack. It’s important to talk about things. Do you dispute that talking has played a big role in human civilization? I think posters should be free to discuss how you got sucked in (if you did), and how foolish that now makes you look, and when it comes down to it I think freedom is the most important thing. Hey, if you want dive into such an insipid topic, go right on ahead. Just understand that the foolishness is all yours. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On July 12 2019 03:16 GreenHorizons wrote: See, this is pretty much exactly the argument I was talking about would come in the general. Then if something like credible accusations of Biden doing more than acting "slightly inappropriately" with kids comes up, Democrats don't go "oh well, guess Trump wins, shrug". They instead explain how they oppose child molesters or whatever, but they have to vote for this one and you should too. This seems a bit out of touch. If credible accusations came out of sexual assault by Biden his political career would be over. Most democrats in 2019 take sexual assault allegations very seriously. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On July 12 2019 04:24 xDaunt wrote: Hey, if you want dive into such an insipid topic, go right on ahead. Just understand that the foolishness is all yours. And yet you were parroting Russian propaganda quite nicely. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 12 2019 05:13 hunts wrote: And yet you were parroting Russian propaganda quite nicely. No, I really wasn't. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On July 12 2019 05:08 IgnE wrote: This seems a bit out of touch. If credible accusations came out of sexual assault by Biden his political career would be over. Most democrats in 2019 take sexual assault allegations very seriously. As an example, franken. | ||
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Danglars
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