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On June 27 2019 01:09 IyMoon wrote:So to get back to a fun subject The concentration camps cost about 775 a day per detainee to run. This is only for temporary shelters though, for the permanent ones, its a nice low 256 per day. That is 256 a day WITHOUT enough soap or blankets. The average hotel room in the US is 129 a night. We could just rent out ever motel 6 on the boarder, give everyone their own room and put guards around the outside to make sure nobody comes in our out and save a shit ton of cash. Good thing we got rid of that program that cost 40 bucks a day per family and had a 90% success rate at getting people to show up to their hearings.... that was such a bad program https://www.gq.com/story/trump-detention-camps-cost
I still don't understand why they don't just drive the people into Mexico and dump them.
This is far and away the most inhumane thing this administration has done. It does not matter what the context is, an adult should never knowingly cause a child to suffer. It is unreal to me that people in this thread have justified harming children. Truly reprehensible. I don't care what the issue is, it is never ok to knowingly harm children.
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On June 27 2019 01:09 IyMoon wrote:So to get back to a fun subject The concentration camps cost about 775 a day per detainee to run. This is only for temporary shelters though, for the permanent ones, its a nice low 256 per day. That is 256 a day WITHOUT enough soap or blankets. The average hotel room in the US is 129 a night. We could just rent out ever motel 6 on the boarder, give everyone their own room and put guards around the outside to make sure nobody comes in our out and save a shit ton of cash. Good thing we got rid of that program that cost 40 bucks a day per family and had a 90% success rate at getting people to show up to their hearings.... that was such a bad program https://www.gq.com/story/trump-detention-camps-cost
You can't really make estimates of cost difference if the "per room fee" is compared against a cost involving administration, guards, medical, supplies, inspectors. This is the government here. You couldn't even guarantee the cost difference would be in favor of the current, overcrowded detention centers. ESPECIALLY with the temporary surge, nothing worked out beforehand with motels (are you tagging the detained seekers, screening every motel guest, forcing the motel to get rid of its current guests, guards outside every door?), and the rest.
I wouldn't even mention the cost, I'd go for arguing that even if it costs double, it's worth it to relieve overcrowded facilities, and demand funding from Congress.
On June 27 2019 01:13 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 01:09 IyMoon wrote:So to get back to a fun subject The concentration camps cost about 775 a day per detainee to run. This is only for temporary shelters though, for the permanent ones, its a nice low 256 per day. That is 256 a day WITHOUT enough soap or blankets. The average hotel room in the US is 129 a night. We could just rent out ever motel 6 on the boarder, give everyone their own room and put guards around the outside to make sure nobody comes in our out and save a shit ton of cash. Good thing we got rid of that program that cost 40 bucks a day per family and had a 90% success rate at getting people to show up to their hearings.... that was such a bad program https://www.gq.com/story/trump-detention-camps-cost I still don't understand why they don't just drive the people into Mexico and dump them. This is far and away the most inhumane thing this administration has done. It does not matter what the context is, an adult should never knowingly cause a child to suffer. It is unreal to me that people in this thread have justified harming children. Truly reprehensible. I don't care what the issue is, it is never ok to knowingly harm children.
For the fact that it would be illegal to do so.
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Anything that trump does right now is to put money into other peoples pockets. Do you know what it is for Trump to have weight in the stock market because of his tweets? But then Elon Musk says one thing and the SEC is fining him again, and again. Literally, corporate penalties have plunged at SEC since Trump took office...
It's not cool always seeing fighter jets in Miami because Trump decides to visit his golf course almost every weekend. I mean it's cool, but not cool at the same time. He's always asking for money, but never uses any of his own. It's always the taxpayers + the donation contributions he's always emailing about. Now the rallys...
What's wrong? Is he hiding his money with Hillary's Servers since he can't ever seem to stop talking about it.
In all honesty, reading about his past, and how much money he's duped people, etc... it's starting to feel like he did all these TV shows to start building that Trump brand even bigger for his presidential run. Why not? We're definitely in the age that celebrities have such fucking massive influence...
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On June 27 2019 01:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Well, if 2018 showed anything is that the blue wave is a coming... I think by 2020, we're going to have way more voters registered. Especially with how much school shootings are going on...
I think it’s more likely than not at this point that we end up with an 8 year Trump presidency.
This also might be unpopular to say, but I think Trump is actually only getting “better” at his job, which is something you’d expect from most people in most jobs as they get experience.
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I can see that too, but that's not what I'm hoping for. So I'm actively discussing with people in person around me about the current situations, and having them be aware at least rather than be "mindless" and not vote.
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On June 27 2019 01:33 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 01:09 IyMoon wrote:So to get back to a fun subject The concentration camps cost about 775 a day per detainee to run. This is only for temporary shelters though, for the permanent ones, its a nice low 256 per day. That is 256 a day WITHOUT enough soap or blankets. The average hotel room in the US is 129 a night. We could just rent out ever motel 6 on the boarder, give everyone their own room and put guards around the outside to make sure nobody comes in our out and save a shit ton of cash. Good thing we got rid of that program that cost 40 bucks a day per family and had a 90% success rate at getting people to show up to their hearings.... that was such a bad program https://www.gq.com/story/trump-detention-camps-cost You can't really make estimates of cost difference if the "per room fee" is compared against a cost involving administration, guards, medical, supplies, inspectors. This is the government here. You couldn't even guarantee the cost difference would be in favor of the current, overcrowded detention centers. ESPECIALLY with the temporary surge, nothing worked out beforehand with motels (are you tagging the detained seekers, screening every motel guest, forcing the motel to get rid of its current guests, guards outside every door?), and the rest. I wouldn't even mention the cost, I'd go for arguing that even if it costs double, it's worth it to relieve overcrowded facilities, and demand funding from Congress. Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 01:13 Mohdoo wrote:On June 27 2019 01:09 IyMoon wrote:So to get back to a fun subject The concentration camps cost about 775 a day per detainee to run. This is only for temporary shelters though, for the permanent ones, its a nice low 256 per day. That is 256 a day WITHOUT enough soap or blankets. The average hotel room in the US is 129 a night. We could just rent out ever motel 6 on the boarder, give everyone their own room and put guards around the outside to make sure nobody comes in our out and save a shit ton of cash. Good thing we got rid of that program that cost 40 bucks a day per family and had a 90% success rate at getting people to show up to their hearings.... that was such a bad program https://www.gq.com/story/trump-detention-camps-cost I still don't understand why they don't just drive the people into Mexico and dump them. This is far and away the most inhumane thing this administration has done. It does not matter what the context is, an adult should never knowingly cause a child to suffer. It is unreal to me that people in this thread have justified harming children. Truly reprehensible. I don't care what the issue is, it is never ok to knowingly harm children. For the fact that it would be illegal to do so.
Then they need to be dumping more money into the camps so that stuff like this doesn't happen:
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-family-separation-constantin-mutu-2019-6?utm_source=reddit.com
A kid's life is being ruined by the US government. He will have developmental problems his entire life. If we are going to separate families, then we owe it to the children to provide child care services and schooling.
In no circumstance should we make a child suffer. The blood is on OUR hands once they make it over the border. Whether the parents put the kids in the situation or not, it becomes our responsibility once they are on our soil. Choosing to let children rot is beyond immoral, it is downright terrible.
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Here's Trump saying that hes glad McCain is dead, and he hopes McCain went to hell. I'm confused why this isn't garnering headlines.
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On June 27 2019 01:33 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 01:09 IyMoon wrote:So to get back to a fun subject The concentration camps cost about 775 a day per detainee to run. This is only for temporary shelters though, for the permanent ones, its a nice low 256 per day. That is 256 a day WITHOUT enough soap or blankets. The average hotel room in the US is 129 a night. We could just rent out ever motel 6 on the boarder, give everyone their own room and put guards around the outside to make sure nobody comes in our out and save a shit ton of cash. Good thing we got rid of that program that cost 40 bucks a day per family and had a 90% success rate at getting people to show up to their hearings.... that was such a bad program https://www.gq.com/story/trump-detention-camps-cost You can't really make estimates of cost difference if the "per room fee" is compared against a cost involving administration, guards, medical, supplies, inspectors. This is the government here. You couldn't even guarantee the cost difference would be in favor of the current, overcrowded detention centers. ESPECIALLY with the temporary surge, nothing worked out beforehand with motels (are you tagging the detained seekers, screening every motel guest, forcing the motel to get rid of its current guests, guards outside every door?), and the rest. I wouldn't even mention the cost, I'd go for arguing that even if it costs double, it's worth it to relieve overcrowded facilities, and demand funding from Congress. Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 01:13 Mohdoo wrote:On June 27 2019 01:09 IyMoon wrote:So to get back to a fun subject The concentration camps cost about 775 a day per detainee to run. This is only for temporary shelters though, for the permanent ones, its a nice low 256 per day. That is 256 a day WITHOUT enough soap or blankets. The average hotel room in the US is 129 a night. We could just rent out ever motel 6 on the boarder, give everyone their own room and put guards around the outside to make sure nobody comes in our out and save a shit ton of cash. Good thing we got rid of that program that cost 40 bucks a day per family and had a 90% success rate at getting people to show up to their hearings.... that was such a bad program https://www.gq.com/story/trump-detention-camps-cost I still don't understand why they don't just drive the people into Mexico and dump them. This is far and away the most inhumane thing this administration has done. It does not matter what the context is, an adult should never knowingly cause a child to suffer. It is unreal to me that people in this thread have justified harming children. Truly reprehensible. I don't care what the issue is, it is never ok to knowingly harm children. For the fact that it would be illegal to do so.
Bacause apparently hotel rooms don't have costs involving administration, guards, medical, supplies, inspectors either? Someone is getting rich and it isn't hotels.
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On June 27 2019 01:41 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 01:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Well, if 2018 showed anything is that the blue wave is a coming... I think by 2020, we're going to have way more voters registered. Especially with how much school shootings are going on... I think it’s more likely than not at this point that we end up with an 8 year Trump presidency. This also might be unpopular to say, but I think Trump is actually only getting “better” at his job, which is something you’d expect from most people in most jobs as they get experience.
Pretty much. Feels like Democrats would rather armchair QB and berate Republicans/Trump than win and be the party under scrutiny.
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We havnt even had the first debate yet and this is the idea?
I know people feel like trump is going to win... but it makes no sense to guess about anything now
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They don't want the cheaper plan and then there is still.money not being accounted for. It seems like the missing money is gonna go for the border wall or some other grift scheme.
+ Show Spoiler +The House Democratic leadership pushed through a $4.5 billion emergency aid package late Tuesday to help thousands of migrants packed into overcrowded facilities at the U.S.-Mexico border, but it's unlikely to get a hearing in the Republican-controlled Senate.
The measure passed by a 230-195 vote mostly along party lines, with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi tamping down a last-minute revolt by members of her party's progressive caucus who had sought, among other things, to ban private shelter contractors who failed to provide a basic level of food, hygiene items and medical care to migrants under their care.
"Every member of this body has a sacred moral obligation to protect the human rights and the lives of vulnerable families, no matter who they are or from where they came," Pelosi said ahead of the vote.
The bill reportedly includes more than $1 billion to house and feed migrants detained by immigration authorities and almost $3 billion to care for unaccompanied children, according to The Associated Press.
But President Trump has threatened to veto the House measure, which was not expected to get much support among Senate Republicans either. The GOP has its own version of an emergency border aid bill that the administration reportedly backs.
A vote on the Senate bill is expected this week. The $4.6 billion Senate version includes $2.88 billion for the Department of Health and Human Services to address unaccompanied children. It also includes $50 million in additional funding to speed up processing in immigration courts.
Speaking on Tuesday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said he hoped that House Democrats would instead take up the Senate plan. "[T]hat's the best way to get the problem solved," he said.
Source is NPR but I have trouble linking correctly.
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On June 27 2019 01:46 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 01:33 Danglars wrote:On June 27 2019 01:09 IyMoon wrote:So to get back to a fun subject The concentration camps cost about 775 a day per detainee to run. This is only for temporary shelters though, for the permanent ones, its a nice low 256 per day. That is 256 a day WITHOUT enough soap or blankets. The average hotel room in the US is 129 a night. We could just rent out ever motel 6 on the boarder, give everyone their own room and put guards around the outside to make sure nobody comes in our out and save a shit ton of cash. Good thing we got rid of that program that cost 40 bucks a day per family and had a 90% success rate at getting people to show up to their hearings.... that was such a bad program https://www.gq.com/story/trump-detention-camps-cost You can't really make estimates of cost difference if the "per room fee" is compared against a cost involving administration, guards, medical, supplies, inspectors. This is the government here. You couldn't even guarantee the cost difference would be in favor of the current, overcrowded detention centers. ESPECIALLY with the temporary surge, nothing worked out beforehand with motels (are you tagging the detained seekers, screening every motel guest, forcing the motel to get rid of its current guests, guards outside every door?), and the rest. I wouldn't even mention the cost, I'd go for arguing that even if it costs double, it's worth it to relieve overcrowded facilities, and demand funding from Congress. On June 27 2019 01:13 Mohdoo wrote:On June 27 2019 01:09 IyMoon wrote:So to get back to a fun subject The concentration camps cost about 775 a day per detainee to run. This is only for temporary shelters though, for the permanent ones, its a nice low 256 per day. That is 256 a day WITHOUT enough soap or blankets. The average hotel room in the US is 129 a night. We could just rent out ever motel 6 on the boarder, give everyone their own room and put guards around the outside to make sure nobody comes in our out and save a shit ton of cash. Good thing we got rid of that program that cost 40 bucks a day per family and had a 90% success rate at getting people to show up to their hearings.... that was such a bad program https://www.gq.com/story/trump-detention-camps-cost I still don't understand why they don't just drive the people into Mexico and dump them. This is far and away the most inhumane thing this administration has done. It does not matter what the context is, an adult should never knowingly cause a child to suffer. It is unreal to me that people in this thread have justified harming children. Truly reprehensible. I don't care what the issue is, it is never ok to knowingly harm children. For the fact that it would be illegal to do so. Then they need to be dumping more money into the camps so that stuff like this doesn't happen: https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-family-separation-constantin-mutu-2019-6?utm_source=reddit.comA kid's life is being ruined by the US government. He will have developmental problems his entire life. If we are going to separate families, then we owe it to the children to provide child care services and schooling. In no circumstance should we make a child suffer. The blood is on OUR hands once they make it over the border. Whether the parents put the kids in the situation or not, it becomes our responsibility once they are on our soil. Choosing to let children rot is beyond immoral, it is downright terrible.
Wait, WTF is a Romanian family with a newborn doing paying a smuggler to take them to the US via Mexico to request asylum? On what grounds could they possibly request asylum? And they could have gone anywhere in Europe without even needing a passport.
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probably because that’s not what he said. he did not say he “hoped” mccain was in hell. we just had someone in this thread explicitly wish that Duncan Hunter fall into a volcano and now you are criticizing Trump for being “glad that [McCain is] gone.” it is possible to be glad someone is gone without being glad they are dead per se
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On June 27 2019 02:29 IyMoon wrote:
We havnt even had the first debate yet and this is the idea?
I know people feel like trump is going to win... but it makes no sense to guess about anything now
there’s a long electoral history that indicates incumbents have the advantage
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On June 27 2019 02:39 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 02:29 IyMoon wrote:
We havnt even had the first debate yet and this is the idea?
I know people feel like trump is going to win... but it makes no sense to guess about anything now there’s a long electoral history that indicates incumbents have the advantage
I get that, but I don't really know if that plays with Trump.
This presidency is so different than any we have seen, so why should old norms apply to it?
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On June 27 2019 02:37 IgnE wrote:probably because that’s not what he said. he did not say he “hoped” mccain was in hell. we just had someone in this thread explicitly wish that Duncan Hunter fall into a volcano and now you are criticizing Trump for being “glad that [McCain is] gone.” it is possible to be glad someone is gone without being glad they are dead per se
It’s only possible for “I’m glad McCain is gone from public office” to not mean I’m glad McCain is dead if he wasn’t removed from public office by dying. But he was. If McCain were on vacation then yeah, gone from office wouldn’t mean dead. But he’s not on vacation, he’s dead. That’s how he became gone. Dying.
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On June 27 2019 01:33 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 01:13 Mohdoo wrote:On June 27 2019 01:09 IyMoon wrote:So to get back to a fun subject The concentration camps cost about 775 a day per detainee to run. This is only for temporary shelters though, for the permanent ones, its a nice low 256 per day. That is 256 a day WITHOUT enough soap or blankets. The average hotel room in the US is 129 a night. We could just rent out ever motel 6 on the boarder, give everyone their own room and put guards around the outside to make sure nobody comes in our out and save a shit ton of cash. Good thing we got rid of that program that cost 40 bucks a day per family and had a 90% success rate at getting people to show up to their hearings.... that was such a bad program https://www.gq.com/story/trump-detention-camps-cost I still don't understand why they don't just drive the people into Mexico and dump them. This is far and away the most inhumane thing this administration has done. It does not matter what the context is, an adult should never knowingly cause a child to suffer. It is unreal to me that people in this thread have justified harming children. Truly reprehensible. I don't care what the issue is, it is never ok to knowingly harm children. For the fact that it would be illegal to do so.
This. Once they enter the country and claim asylum it is the responsibility of the country they’re claiming in to assess and process the claim. They can’t just be dropped off in the Mexican desert or tossed into the sea or whatever else you’d like to do to make them out of sight. These are people, you can’t just treat them like cities do homeless and ship them all to somewhere else to shirk responsibility.
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On June 27 2019 02:44 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 02:37 IgnE wrote:probably because that’s not what he said. he did not say he “hoped” mccain was in hell. we just had someone in this thread explicitly wish that Duncan Hunter fall into a volcano and now you are criticizing Trump for being “glad that [McCain is] gone.” it is possible to be glad someone is gone without being glad they are dead per se It’s only possible for “I’m glad McCain is gone from public office” to not mean I’m glad McCain is dead if he wasn’t removed from public office by dying. But he was. If McCain were on vacation then yeah, gone from office wouldn’t mean dead. But he’s not on vacation, he’s dead. That’s how he became gone. Dying.
nope. it’s entirely possible to be glad someone is gone without being glad that they had to die to be gone. you have this weird tic where you insist in certain instances that language can mean only one thing. it really detracts from other instances where you display impressive reasoning about things
there’s a world of difference between “i am glad he is gone” and “i am glad he is dead” — trump said the latter
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On June 27 2019 01:46 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 01:33 Danglars wrote:On June 27 2019 01:09 IyMoon wrote:So to get back to a fun subject The concentration camps cost about 775 a day per detainee to run. This is only for temporary shelters though, for the permanent ones, its a nice low 256 per day. That is 256 a day WITHOUT enough soap or blankets. The average hotel room in the US is 129 a night. We could just rent out ever motel 6 on the boarder, give everyone their own room and put guards around the outside to make sure nobody comes in our out and save a shit ton of cash. Good thing we got rid of that program that cost 40 bucks a day per family and had a 90% success rate at getting people to show up to their hearings.... that was such a bad program https://www.gq.com/story/trump-detention-camps-cost You can't really make estimates of cost difference if the "per room fee" is compared against a cost involving administration, guards, medical, supplies, inspectors. This is the government here. You couldn't even guarantee the cost difference would be in favor of the current, overcrowded detention centers. ESPECIALLY with the temporary surge, nothing worked out beforehand with motels (are you tagging the detained seekers, screening every motel guest, forcing the motel to get rid of its current guests, guards outside every door?), and the rest. I wouldn't even mention the cost, I'd go for arguing that even if it costs double, it's worth it to relieve overcrowded facilities, and demand funding from Congress. On June 27 2019 01:13 Mohdoo wrote:On June 27 2019 01:09 IyMoon wrote:So to get back to a fun subject The concentration camps cost about 775 a day per detainee to run. This is only for temporary shelters though, for the permanent ones, its a nice low 256 per day. That is 256 a day WITHOUT enough soap or blankets. The average hotel room in the US is 129 a night. We could just rent out ever motel 6 on the boarder, give everyone their own room and put guards around the outside to make sure nobody comes in our out and save a shit ton of cash. Good thing we got rid of that program that cost 40 bucks a day per family and had a 90% success rate at getting people to show up to their hearings.... that was such a bad program https://www.gq.com/story/trump-detention-camps-cost I still don't understand why they don't just drive the people into Mexico and dump them. This is far and away the most inhumane thing this administration has done. It does not matter what the context is, an adult should never knowingly cause a child to suffer. It is unreal to me that people in this thread have justified harming children. Truly reprehensible. I don't care what the issue is, it is never ok to knowingly harm children. For the fact that it would be illegal to do so. Then they need to be dumping more money into the camps so that stuff like this doesn't happen: https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-family-separation-constantin-mutu-2019-6?utm_source=reddit.comA kid's life is being ruined by the US government. He will have developmental problems his entire life. If we are going to separate families, then we owe it to the children to provide child care services and schooling. In no circumstance should we make a child suffer. The blood is on OUR hands once they make it over the border. Whether the parents put the kids in the situation or not, it becomes our responsibility once they are on our soil. Choosing to let children rot is beyond immoral, it is downright terrible.
This may be an unpopular sentiment, but do you think the Romanian dad was undertaking a risk paying a cartel smuggler to get them to the US-Mexico border? That’s a dangerous trip in itself. They were accidentally separated on the journey. Surprise surprise the Border patrol didn’t have a Romanian language guy to verify that they were father-son. What Romanian father takes a 4 month old with him to take the dangerous trip to be smuggled into the country, not speaking English. This is quintessential reason we need to make legal immigration much easier and quicker, and publish that asylum seekers with no legitimate reason to claim asylum will not get to stay in America anyways. I spread the blood onto the hands of people supporting catch and release policies, encouraging this reckless behavior that overwhelms under equipped systems.
The government is sclerotic. I’d like times of under a month to under three months for determining parents and reuniting families to be detained awaiting a hearing, then returned early in the process when no legitimate claim can be made. This will likely mean an increase of spending in the hundred of billions of dollars. Until then, I don’t see any administration stopping families from slipping through the cracks, like a non-English non-Spanish speaker with a 4 month old showing up at the US-Mexico border. I’m speaking about sex traffickers and single adults stealing children that must be screened in facilities by competent ICE/CBD officials. With something like 70+ countries represented, I don’t see another way around massive spending increases.
Mohdoo, assuming this was instead handled correctly, are you fine with ICE raids finding and deporting this family unit when their asylum court process fails and if they do not show up willingly for final deportation? Fine with news stories of ICE rounding up thousands or tens of thousands of failed asylum seekers (and those who didn’t bother to apply), and putting them on transports out of the country?
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