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On June 21 2019 07:06 farvacola wrote:
Ohio Senator Rob Portman made a televised spiel in support of getting Federal Department of Agriculture emergency funds released to the many farmers who have totally blown their growing season because of the extreme rain, with mostly the soybean and corn folks being hit so far. He said, "We're not asking for a hand-out, we're asking for a hand-up..." and my lord that was too much for me to bear lol
In local Toledo news, a local biker bar is getting into trouble because it has chosen the name "Ape Hangers" and is getting death threats.
We are not for socialism! But how about a little all for one and one for all over here guys?
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On June 21 2019 05:34 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2019 01:29 IyMoon wrote:On June 21 2019 01:20 JimmiC wrote:It looks like a military conflict is becoming more likely. With Iran shooting down a US drone (US says international waters, Iran says over their territory, neither is trust worthy so who knows) because it shows Iran is in no way backing down and with the election approaching I can't see Trump backing down. Also his advisers seem to want war. https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/20/politics/us-iran-drone-shooting-risk/index.html We have about another... 8 months before a war kicks off. That is only if Trumps internal polls are bad. If he sees no chance of winning he is going to go to war Exactly. He will do anything to avoid losing in the election. From starting a war in order to cancel the election all together, from refusing to accept the results, or even changing vote totals to ensure he wins. the 2020 election is the a clusterfuck waiting to happen no matter which side you are on.
Sheesh, we have a lot of conspiracy minded doomsday cults around here. Yes, starting a war to stir up patriotic unity is on the edge of extreme yet somewhat plausible given certain mindsets. Cancelling the election, refusing to step down, and rigging the vote ought to put you in the pile that believe the earth is flat and nobody landed on the moon. It's just crazytown level. I wish more people could keep their heads in a Trump presidency, and it's over in 2 or 6 years regardless. And I'm including antics like failed Democratic candidates Stacey Abrams and Andrew Gillum surrendering power and claiming they are the true victors years afterwards.
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On June 21 2019 07:54 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2019 05:34 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:On June 21 2019 01:29 IyMoon wrote:On June 21 2019 01:20 JimmiC wrote:It looks like a military conflict is becoming more likely. With Iran shooting down a US drone (US says international waters, Iran says over their territory, neither is trust worthy so who knows) because it shows Iran is in no way backing down and with the election approaching I can't see Trump backing down. Also his advisers seem to want war. https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/20/politics/us-iran-drone-shooting-risk/index.html We have about another... 8 months before a war kicks off. That is only if Trumps internal polls are bad. If he sees no chance of winning he is going to go to war Exactly. He will do anything to avoid losing in the election. From starting a war in order to cancel the election all together, from refusing to accept the results, or even changing vote totals to ensure he wins. the 2020 election is the a clusterfuck waiting to happen no matter which side you are on. Sheesh, we have a lot of conspiracy minded doomsday cults around here. Yes, starting a war to stir up patriotic unity is on the edge of extreme yet somewhat plausible given certain mindsets. Cancelling the election, refusing to step down, and rigging the vote ought to put you in the pile that believe the earth is flat and nobody landed on the moon. It's just crazytown level. I wish more people could keep their heads in a Trump presidency, and it's over in 2 or 6 years regardless. And I'm including antics like failed Democratic candidates Stacey Abrams and Andrew Gillum surrendering power and claiming they are the true victors years afterwards.
Is it really so implausible? We have the stable genius himself planting the ideas. He has thought about these things openly.
We arent making this shit up Danglars.
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On June 21 2019 07:54 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2019 05:34 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:On June 21 2019 01:29 IyMoon wrote:On June 21 2019 01:20 JimmiC wrote:It looks like a military conflict is becoming more likely. With Iran shooting down a US drone (US says international waters, Iran says over their territory, neither is trust worthy so who knows) because it shows Iran is in no way backing down and with the election approaching I can't see Trump backing down. Also his advisers seem to want war. https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/20/politics/us-iran-drone-shooting-risk/index.html We have about another... 8 months before a war kicks off. That is only if Trumps internal polls are bad. If he sees no chance of winning he is going to go to war Exactly. He will do anything to avoid losing in the election. From starting a war in order to cancel the election all together, from refusing to accept the results, or even changing vote totals to ensure he wins. the 2020 election is the a clusterfuck waiting to happen no matter which side you are on. Sheesh, we have a lot of conspiracy minded doomsday cults around here. Yes, starting a war to stir up patriotic unity is on the edge of extreme yet somewhat plausible given certain mindsets. Cancelling the election, refusing to step down, and rigging the vote ought to put you in the pile that believe the earth is flat and nobody landed on the moon. It's just crazytown level. I wish more people could keep their heads in a Trump presidency, and it's over in 2 or 6 years regardless. And I'm including antics like failed Democratic candidates Stacey Abrams and Andrew Gillum surrendering power and claiming they are the true victors years afterwards.
I'm actually not a big conspiracy person. I'm just using common sense. To me, Trump will do anything to remain president. I mean you see him talking about serving a 3rd term. Do you think he's joking? He legitimately would love that.
Most like to think he's real dumb, but I think he's smart enough to know him and most of his family will be arrested for something once they lose all the protection. I mean its crazy to think these people have never committed any crime...
The point I was getting at is neither side will accept the election results. Trump won't if he loses. The democrats will question the results if they lose because how can you trust anything with Trump and GOP when don't care about election security or fair elections. Either way we're on this train that will blow up no matter what.
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Considering how Trump campaigned I'd say going to war with Iran sounds like an excellent way to lose an election. In fact, that might be part of the reason for the poking and prodding Iran is doing.
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On June 21 2019 08:51 Introvert wrote:
Considering how Trump campaigned I'd say going to war with Iran sounds like an excellent way to lose an election. In fact, that might be part of the reason for the poking and prodding Iran is doing. You sure Iran isn't acting in reaction to the US stepping out of the nuclear non-proliferation agreement?
You know, the one that was set up to stop Iran from getting a nuke to defend itself from the US constantly threatening to bomb and/or invade them.
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On June 21 2019 08:03 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2019 07:54 Danglars wrote:On June 21 2019 05:34 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:On June 21 2019 01:29 IyMoon wrote:On June 21 2019 01:20 JimmiC wrote:It looks like a military conflict is becoming more likely. With Iran shooting down a US drone (US says international waters, Iran says over their territory, neither is trust worthy so who knows) because it shows Iran is in no way backing down and with the election approaching I can't see Trump backing down. Also his advisers seem to want war. https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/20/politics/us-iran-drone-shooting-risk/index.html We have about another... 8 months before a war kicks off. That is only if Trumps internal polls are bad. If he sees no chance of winning he is going to go to war Exactly. He will do anything to avoid losing in the election. From starting a war in order to cancel the election all together, from refusing to accept the results, or even changing vote totals to ensure he wins. the 2020 election is the a clusterfuck waiting to happen no matter which side you are on. Sheesh, we have a lot of conspiracy minded doomsday cults around here. Yes, starting a war to stir up patriotic unity is on the edge of extreme yet somewhat plausible given certain mindsets. Cancelling the election, refusing to step down, and rigging the vote ought to put you in the pile that believe the earth is flat and nobody landed on the moon. It's just crazytown level. I wish more people could keep their heads in a Trump presidency, and it's over in 2 or 6 years regardless. And I'm including antics like failed Democratic candidates Stacey Abrams and Andrew Gillum surrendering power and claiming they are the true victors years afterwards. Is it really so implausible? We have the stable genius himself planting the ideas. He has thought about these things openly. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/141604554855825408 Consider that I already made clear that I wasn't talking about going to war in the hopes of being re-elected.
The confusion between jokes and reality has always stymied denizens of the thread. The last occurence was literally the last rally, and I don't expect it to change anytime soon. After six years, I'm sure an egoist would hope he polls so well that people wished for more.
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On June 21 2019 09:04 Danglars wrote: The last occurence was literally the last rally, and I don't expect it to change anytime soon.
I don't keep a calendar of his rallies, which one was this?
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On June 21 2019 08:13 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2019 07:54 Danglars wrote:On June 21 2019 05:34 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:On June 21 2019 01:29 IyMoon wrote:On June 21 2019 01:20 JimmiC wrote:It looks like a military conflict is becoming more likely. With Iran shooting down a US drone (US says international waters, Iran says over their territory, neither is trust worthy so who knows) because it shows Iran is in no way backing down and with the election approaching I can't see Trump backing down. Also his advisers seem to want war. https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/20/politics/us-iran-drone-shooting-risk/index.html We have about another... 8 months before a war kicks off. That is only if Trumps internal polls are bad. If he sees no chance of winning he is going to go to war Exactly. He will do anything to avoid losing in the election. From starting a war in order to cancel the election all together, from refusing to accept the results, or even changing vote totals to ensure he wins. the 2020 election is the a clusterfuck waiting to happen no matter which side you are on. Sheesh, we have a lot of conspiracy minded doomsday cults around here. Yes, starting a war to stir up patriotic unity is on the edge of extreme yet somewhat plausible given certain mindsets. Cancelling the election, refusing to step down, and rigging the vote ought to put you in the pile that believe the earth is flat and nobody landed on the moon. It's just crazytown level. I wish more people could keep their heads in a Trump presidency, and it's over in 2 or 6 years regardless. And I'm including antics like failed Democratic candidates Stacey Abrams and Andrew Gillum surrendering power and claiming they are the true victors years afterwards. I'm actually not a big conspiracy person. I'm just using common sense. To me, Trump will do anything to remain president. I mean you see him talking about serving a 3rd term. Do you think he's joking? He legitimately would love that. Most like to think he's real dumb, but I think he's smart enough to know him and most of his family will be arrested for something once they lose all the protection. I mean its crazy to think these people have never committed any crime... The point I was getting at is neither side will accept the election results. Trump won't if he loses. The democrats will question the results if they lose because how can you trust anything with Trump and GOP when don't care about election security or fair elections. Either way we're on this train that will blow up no matter what.
Trump's just a man, bound by laws. People that get overcome by hysteria, as I think you demonstrate, think their wildest nightmares will come true. The ghost of their dead father will torment them always, and they just know it. He's a goner. Maybe 50-50 chance he even survives re-election. Now, if you went back in a sane direction and meant that he'd rally for a constitutional amendment to allow a third term, then sure. That's literally the only way that happens. He gets no protection nor immunities when he loses re-election or retires after second term, and it's built into the system.
Now, you're already showing some hedging, and I support that. "The point I was getting at is neither side will accept the election results. That's a very normal thing to think. The third-term coup, I'm sure with some Russian or Israeli help (how these conspiracies tend to run), is the departure from firm ground. I already stated that Abrams and Gillum are making their rounds, with surprising high-level support, and Trump's argued about illegal votes changing certain results in the past. It's sore loser syndrome combined with ego and I've seen presidents since Al Gore in the year 2000 try that shit. So I 100% yield your real "point I was getting at," and it's damaging when both sides do it.
I just wish we didn't go through absurd coup scenarios when the man struggles to even get his own damn cabinet to carry out his orders, much less an ideologically rebellious Washington DC permanent state.
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On June 21 2019 09:04 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2019 08:51 Introvert wrote:
Considering how Trump campaigned I'd say going to war with Iran sounds like an excellent way to lose an election. In fact, that might be part of the reason for the poking and prodding Iran is doing. You sure Iran isn't acting in reaction to the US stepping out of the nuclear non-proliferation agreement? You know, the one that was set up to stop Iran from getting a nuke to defend itself from the US constantly threatening to bomb and/or invade them.
I'm not sure I see the obvious connection between attaching mines to Japanese tankers and us, unless the fact that Japanese are not objecting is enough to make them targets? You may claim the underlying cause is whatever you want, as I suspect we view the nuclear deal differently. Iran is seeing how much they can get away with. I believe they have a history of doing this, too. The hard part, obviously, is reacting appropriately. No reaction just leads to more.
edit: and my main point is that Trump has political incentives to avoid conflict with Iran, contrary to the mindlessness in this thread.
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Listening to his comments this morning, it’s pretty clear to me that Trump is trying very hard to avoid a military confrontation with Iran. He went out of his way to give the Ayatollah an out, chalking up the shooting down of the drone to a “mistake” made by one of the generals. The problem with this, however, is that it may very well not be a mistake, and Iran is baiting us into military conflict. Trump may not have much of a choice but to respond militarily. It will be interesting to see what the response is. I wouldn’t be surprised if he decides to level Kharg Island. That would really hurt Iran.
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On June 21 2019 09:06 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2019 09:04 Danglars wrote: The last occurence was literally the last rally, and I don't expect it to change anytime soon. I don't keep a calendar of his rallies, which one was this?
He joked about the primitive denizens of the Florida panhandle back in early May, and ordinary forum denizens went off on "functioning joke mechanism" and inflation of effect to a real big deal. This is not to say I've recovered a fondness for relitigating that fiasco. Some people make up standards as they see each situation, just to fit the political need of result.
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Danglars, Trump won the election and still very publicly refused to accept the election results and instead made up elaborate conspiracies of nationwide voter fraud orchestrated by Obama and Hillary. After he won. Trump has a 0% record on accepting election results.
Also please address my prior question to you.
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On June 21 2019 09:18 xDaunt wrote:
Listening to his comments this morning, it’s pretty clear to me that Trump is trying very hard to avoid a military confrontation with Iran. He went out of his way to give the Ayatollah an out, chalking up the shooting down of the drone to a “mistake” made by one of the generals. The problem with this, however, is that it may very well not be a mistake, and Iran is baiting us into military conflict. Trump may not have much of a choice but to respond militarily. It will be interesting to see what the response is. I wouldn’t be surprised if he decides to level Kharg Island. That would really hurt Iran.
It was good to hear Trump give the Iranians an out. Something's not right with Iran's behavior right now. Maybe it's in response to sanctions, maybe it has to do with our basic proxy war with the Houthis through Saudi Arabia in Yemen.
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On June 21 2019 09:14 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2019 09:04 Gorsameth wrote:On June 21 2019 08:51 Introvert wrote:
Considering how Trump campaigned I'd say going to war with Iran sounds like an excellent way to lose an election. In fact, that might be part of the reason for the poking and prodding Iran is doing. You sure Iran isn't acting in reaction to the US stepping out of the nuclear non-proliferation agreement? You know, the one that was set up to stop Iran from getting a nuke to defend itself from the US constantly threatening to bomb and/or invade them. I'm not sure I see the obvious connection between attaching mines to Japanese tankers and us, unless the fact that Japanese are not objecting is enough to make them targets? You may claim the underlying cause is whatever you want, as I suspect we view the nuclear deal differently. Iran is seeing how much they can get away with. I believe they have a history of doing this, too. The hard part, obviously, is reacting appropriately. No reaction just leads to more. edit: and my main point is that Trump has political incentives to avoid conflict with Iran, contrary to the mindlessness in this thread. You read this thread right? If so you should know that many of us are not at all convinced that Iran attached mines to Japanese tankers and that it could all be a false-flag operation to generate support for military action against Iran.
Wouldn't be the first time the US made up shit to justify starting a war and belief in the current administration is very low.
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On June 21 2019 08:03 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2019 07:54 Danglars wrote:On June 21 2019 05:34 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:On June 21 2019 01:29 IyMoon wrote:On June 21 2019 01:20 JimmiC wrote:It looks like a military conflict is becoming more likely. With Iran shooting down a US drone (US says international waters, Iran says over their territory, neither is trust worthy so who knows) because it shows Iran is in no way backing down and with the election approaching I can't see Trump backing down. Also his advisers seem to want war. https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/20/politics/us-iran-drone-shooting-risk/index.html We have about another... 8 months before a war kicks off. That is only if Trumps internal polls are bad. If he sees no chance of winning he is going to go to war Exactly. He will do anything to avoid losing in the election. From starting a war in order to cancel the election all together, from refusing to accept the results, or even changing vote totals to ensure he wins. the 2020 election is the a clusterfuck waiting to happen no matter which side you are on. Sheesh, we have a lot of conspiracy minded doomsday cults around here. Yes, starting a war to stir up patriotic unity is on the edge of extreme yet somewhat plausible given certain mindsets. Cancelling the election, refusing to step down, and rigging the vote ought to put you in the pile that believe the earth is flat and nobody landed on the moon. It's just crazytown level. I wish more people could keep their heads in a Trump presidency, and it's over in 2 or 6 years regardless. And I'm including antics like failed Democratic candidates Stacey Abrams and Andrew Gillum surrendering power and claiming they are the true victors years afterwards. Is it really so implausible? We have the stable genius himself planting the ideas. He has thought about these things openly. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/141604554855825408https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/220207574623072256https://twitter.com/RWPUSA/status/1141104245091049478https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1140252529428717568We arent making this shit up Danglars.
You seriously think mere 'evidence' will change his antics? People have tried that tactic for years.
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On June 21 2019 09:30 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2019 09:14 Introvert wrote:On June 21 2019 09:04 Gorsameth wrote:On June 21 2019 08:51 Introvert wrote:
Considering how Trump campaigned I'd say going to war with Iran sounds like an excellent way to lose an election. In fact, that might be part of the reason for the poking and prodding Iran is doing. You sure Iran isn't acting in reaction to the US stepping out of the nuclear non-proliferation agreement? You know, the one that was set up to stop Iran from getting a nuke to defend itself from the US constantly threatening to bomb and/or invade them. I'm not sure I see the obvious connection between attaching mines to Japanese tankers and us, unless the fact that Japanese are not objecting is enough to make them targets? You may claim the underlying cause is whatever you want, as I suspect we view the nuclear deal differently. Iran is seeing how much they can get away with. I believe they have a history of doing this, too. The hard part, obviously, is reacting appropriately. No reaction just leads to more. edit: and my main point is that Trump has political incentives to avoid conflict with Iran, contrary to the mindlessness in this thread. You read this thread right? If so you should know that many of us are not at all convinced that Iran attached mines to Japanese tankers and that it could all be a false-flag operation to generate support for military action against Iran. Wouldn't be the first time the US made up shit to justify starting a war and belief in the current administration is very low.
Yes, and it amuses me that the people saying "why would Iran do that, what's their motivation" are so bad at applying that thought process to Trump. the reaction seems primarily reflexive. besides AFAIK at this point many of our allies think it was Iran. Both GB and Germany have made noise in that direction. Who knows, they may even be downplaying it domestically for their own reasons.
late edit: and I think Adam Schiff has also said it was unquestionably Iran. Time to take off the tinfoil.
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On June 21 2019 09:19 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2019 09:06 Gahlo wrote:On June 21 2019 09:04 Danglars wrote: The last occurence was literally the last rally, and I don't expect it to change anytime soon. I don't keep a calendar of his rallies, which one was this? He joked about the primitive denizens of the Florida panhandle back in early May, and ordinary forum denizens went off on "functioning joke mechanism" and inflation of effect to a real big deal. This is not to say I've recovered a fondness for relitigating that fiasco. Some people make up standards as they see each situation, just to fit the political need of result.
Ah, yes, our discussion of stochastic terrorism. The one that happened less than 2 months after Trump did this interview with Beitbart on March 13th, + Show Spoiler [this quote] +I actually think that the people on the right are tougher, but they don’t play it tougher. Okay? I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad.
Right, pure hysteria with absolutely no track record to be concerned at the time.
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