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On June 20 2019 19:43 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2019 00:00 Doublemint wrote:
so you actually want Trump and his ilk to rein in the intelligence community?
Trump is a very bad person, but if you don't think the CIA hawks won't pull the exact same shit against a left-wing non-establishment figure who wants to rein in interventionism (i.e. Bernie), then you're incredibly naive. I want to see them get exposed for this very reason.
let me be very clear, I thought I was but apparently not. it's not that I am against holding bad actors in the intelligence community responsible for misdeeds.
it's that I don't think it will happen anytime soon in the fashion it needs to be done and in all honesty should have been done a long time ago.
you had 9/11 and freaked the fuck out. built an absurdly costly and capable infrastructure after that. but it was fine because "terror". rewind forward and you got snowden, where basically every last horror story people in the know(IT people/lawyers/activists etc...) suspected was being confirmed. prism et. al.
nothing happened. big outcry, freedoms are under attack blah blah blah. after a while no one gave a damn. if a scandal like snowden exposed won't be enough, honestly probably nothing will.
and now to come back to me being naive. in all honesty, do you believe a man as rotten to the core as Trump - and by extension his posse of sycophants - will rein them in. do you actually believe that?
a man that will do anything to win, being your best friend one minute and the next he will get rid of you because you might be too much of a liability.
naivety it seems is highly contagious.
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On June 21 2019 01:20 JimmiC wrote:It looks like a military conflict is becoming more likely. With Iran shooting down a US drone (US says international waters, Iran says over their territory, neither is trust worthy so who knows) because it shows Iran is in no way backing down and with the election approaching I can't see Trump backing down. Also his advisers seem to want war. https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/20/politics/us-iran-drone-shooting-risk/index.html
We have about another... 8 months before a war kicks off. That is only if Trumps internal polls are bad. If he sees no chance of winning he is going to go to war
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I don't think he gets away with a full blown war. He goes to without congressional approval and he's impeached. War or not.
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On June 21 2019 02:22 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I don't think he gets away with a full blown war. He goes to without congressional approval and he's impeached. War or not.
Dems just repealed the presidential authority granted from 9/11 in the latest house budget bill.
There is no way republicans sign on, or trump signs it and the dems probably wont face a shutdown over it.... so it really means nothing right now. Although it could be a signal not to push things to far with Iran
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Cant imagine the US letting a drone that close to the coastline whether they were in international waters or not so it seems like intentional provocation (It's a pretty narrow corridor of international airspace regardless).
I trust it's going to be a debate topic that garners some attention.
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I can only imagine what Americans would say if a foreign power were parking aircraft carriers right outside of our country and flying drones around. Can't believe we have the gall to say that they are the ones provoking us. And this is on top of trying to destroy their economy with sanctions and dictating what kind of weapons they are allowed to build. "We can't allow you to build a nuclear weapon" while we sit upon the biggest arsenal in the world. We're such fucking hypocrites and bullies.
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How is it our place to decide whether they are "allowed"? Haven't we "allowed" Israel to build an arsenal of nuclear warheads? Who was it that "allowed" us to build the biggest cache in the world, which we refuse to get rid of even as we dictate which countries can or can't build them?
Yes, more nukes is more danger to the world, but either we should lead by example in disarming, or ditch the nauseating moral high horse and just speak plainly that "might makes right".
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On June 21 2019 03:23 JimmiC wrote:
Do you think that Iran should be allowed to build nukes? How about NK?
You have to admit he really has a point. Put yourself two minutes in iranian shoes and nothing makes any sense. The proliferation treaties became a big joke the day no one said a word about Israel getting all the nukes they wanted.
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More nations having keys to ending the world is a good thing. Good to know.
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Roy Moore running for Senate in AL. Great news for Dems if he can win the primary.
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Doug Jones is especially pleased, I’m sure lol
Edit: correct that to only marginally pleased, Moore is running for the other Alabama seat and Jones’ isn’t up until Jan 2021.
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On June 21 2019 01:29 IyMoon wrote:We have about another... 8 months before a war kicks off. That is only if Trumps internal polls are bad. If he sees no chance of winning he is going to go to war
Exactly. He will do anything to avoid losing in the election. From starting a war in order to cancel the election all together, from refusing to accept the results, or even changing vote totals to ensure he wins.
the 2020 election is the a clusterfuck waiting to happen no matter which side you are on.
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On June 21 2019 05:05 Sermokala wrote:
More nations having keys to ending the world is a good thing. Good to know.
Us having the only one probably doesn't feel good to anybody not in the US. We're not in some kind of moral high ground here, just a military one.
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On June 21 2019 06:27 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2019 05:05 Sermokala wrote:
More nations having keys to ending the world is a good thing. Good to know. Us having the only one probably doesn't feel good to anybody not in the US. We're not in some kind of moral high ground here, just a military one.
Can you conceive of a possible moral high ground that would justify having nukes and preventing others from getting them?
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On June 21 2019 05:05 Sermokala wrote:
More nations having keys to ending the world is a good thing. Good to know. That couldn't be further from what he said. I will go out in a limb and say that he probably does not want Iran to get nuclear weapons, but can understand why if a superpower is constantly flashing his military dick in your face, at some point you will try to get some nuclear pepper spray, and it would be the US fault in the first place.
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Ohio Senator Rob Portman made a televised spiel in support of getting Federal Department of Agriculture emergency funds released to the many farmers who have totally blown their growing season because of the extreme rain, with mostly the soybean and corn folks being hit so far. He said, "We're not asking for a hand-out, we're asking for a hand-up..." and my lord that was too much for me to bear lol
In local Toledo news, a local biker bar is getting into trouble because it has chosen the name "Ape Hangers" and is getting death threats.
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Iran pursued nukes solely as a response to American foreign policy and stopped pursuing them when the rest of the world told America to chill the fuck out. Threatening Iran and sharing nuclear tech with Saudi Arabia is pushing Iran to get a nuclear deterrent and I fully understand their need for it. The only sources of regional rivalry for them that they cannot handle with conventional forces is Israel, which has nukes with tacit American support, SA, which the US is giving nukes, and the US itself, which is the only nation to ever use nukes in anger.
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