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On March 16 2019 02:24 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2019 02:18 Danglars wrote:
Shooter lists off all the things he wants people to screech about after his act. All the idiots readily comply.
It’s the Charles Manson shit for a different age. I think we’re all collectively dumber than that age when it comes right down to it. This kind of reaction (and I’m talking about the two threads as a microcosm) will probably inspire more. Just no. Right wing shock jocks like Owens and "news orgs" like Brietbart and Fox inspire shit like this by continuing to spread lies, hate, and fear. This is pretty fucked up deflection.
They’ve been playing the “we have nothing to do with those people, we just consume the same media and praise the same people” deflection game for years, they can’t stop now.
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On March 16 2019 02:24 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2019 02:18 Danglars wrote:
Shooter lists off all the things he wants people to screech about after his act. All the idiots readily comply.
It’s the Charles Manson shit for a different age. I think we’re all collectively dumber than that age when it comes right down to it. This kind of reaction (and I’m talking about the two threads as a microcosm) will probably inspire more. Yes, you're right, what will inspire more people to kill in the name of white genocide is not the far right spreading conspiracy theories online about how white genocide is totally a real thing to a massive audience of impressionnable young men, it's the left reacting angrily against people who consistently flirt with fascist views after a fascist mass shooter mentions their name as influences regarding said mass shooting. It's good that you have your priorities in order.
This is again the same concept in action. It is much easier to dismiss things that disagree with our worldview in order to keep ones views at equilibrium than it is to accept the new information and adapt our worldview to it which is why most people are "stuck in their ways". Its almost comical the logical leap one has to make to say "The problem is not the people who inspired him, its the people who are reacting to the people who inspired him who will inspire more..." but its classic case of dismissing things that do not gel with our worldview
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On March 16 2019 02:24 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2019 02:18 Danglars wrote:
Shooter lists off all the things he wants people to screech about after his act. All the idiots readily comply.
It’s the Charles Manson shit for a different age. I think we’re all collectively dumber than that age when it comes right down to it. This kind of reaction (and I’m talking about the two threads as a microcosm) will probably inspire more. Just no. Right wing shock jocks like Owens and "news orgs" like Brietbart and Fox inspire shit like this by continuing to spread lies, hate, and fear. This is pretty fucked up deflection.
Those 4chan types like to sow division and laugh at people’s reactions. Left blamed the far right for this. Right wing bristles at the accusations and getting lumped into mass murderers.
Next evil person knows all he needs is a manifesto and a kill count to spread discord and get the two sides to blame each other.
Yep. You can even plop in as many memes into your manifesto as you like, and people will still say it’s Breitbart and Fox News and Owens that inspire this kind of stuff. Trolling accomplished. Don’t feed the trolls, in my opinion.
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On March 16 2019 02:29 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2019 02:21 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
The manifesto can still be a troll while the guys beliefs aren't a troll. He's clearly a right wing terrorist but that doesn't mean he can't write a piece of nonsense. I don't think people should be attacked because some fuckwad writes their name as inspiration.
Attack people on the hateful things they say but not on something like this.
These people are being attacked on the hateful things they say. It's just now people get to go, "hey look you said this hateful thing and then this person did the thing you implied while mentioning you by name". Even if the mention is ironic or trolling... *he still did the thing*. So it's kinda baffling to try to wriggle a disconnection in between the two things. The % irony of the thing is perhaps the least relevant and limpest take you could possibly have on the whole situation.
He could also blame twitch banning avilo for making him angry. He could say a lot of things. Taking it at face value legitimizes his ramblings, which is just not a useful way of going at this. You can still attack this low key hatred spreading philosophy thats going on, without taking every frog meme serious.
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Danglars' worldview is based on a similar common set of ideas about the dangers of cultural marxism and so forth, so don't expect him to really disavow that stuff. But he wants you to know there is a whole world of difference between him and the guy who shot up a mosque and we're the real dummies.
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On March 16 2019 02:24 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2019 02:18 Danglars wrote:
Shooter lists off all the things he wants people to screech about after his act. All the idiots readily comply.
It’s the Charles Manson shit for a different age. I think we’re all collectively dumber than that age when it comes right down to it. This kind of reaction (and I’m talking about the two threads as a microcosm) will probably inspire more. Yes, you're right, what will inspire more people to kill in the name of white genocide is not the far right spreading conspiracy theories online about how white genocide is totally a real thing to a massive audience of impressionnable young men, it's the left reacting angrily against people who consistently flirt with fascist views after a fascist mass shooter mentions their name as influences regarding said mass shooting. It's good that you have your priorities in order.
If he had mentioned your name and a couple of your friends, do you accept responsibility? If you defend yourself, is that just the true influencers trying to deflect?
All he had is a plan, a gun, a video, and a written manifesto. It’s just as easy to burn some left winger trolls and get them all incensed at the accusation that they inspired this. I suggest calming down and not feeding trolls that kill people.
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Personally, the big thing that stuck out to me was his fondness of the word "invader". The first time I encountered that rhetoric was during the caravan coverage back in late 2018. People on this very forum described them as invaders. It was all over right-wing news. The big difference is that he espoused violence as a solution to immigration since democracy was a dead end.
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On March 16 2019 02:41 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2019 02:24 Nebuchad wrote:On March 16 2019 02:18 Danglars wrote:
Shooter lists off all the things he wants people to screech about after his act. All the idiots readily comply.
It’s the Charles Manson shit for a different age. I think we’re all collectively dumber than that age when it comes right down to it. This kind of reaction (and I’m talking about the two threads as a microcosm) will probably inspire more. Yes, you're right, what will inspire more people to kill in the name of white genocide is not the far right spreading conspiracy theories online about how white genocide is totally a real thing to a massive audience of impressionnable young men, it's the left reacting angrily against people who consistently flirt with fascist views after a fascist mass shooter mentions their name as influences regarding said mass shooting. It's good that you have your priorities in order. If he had mentioned your name and a couple of your friends, do you accept responsibility? If you defend yourself, is that just the true influencers trying to deflect? All he had is a plan, a gun, a video, and a written manifesto. It’s just as easy to burn some left winger trolls and get them all incensed at the accusation that they inspired this. I suggest calming down and not feeding trolls that kill people.
If I had put out a thing talking about how person "x y and z are ruining this country and ruining our culture and are bad people" etc etc. and then someone was inspired by those words to harm some of those people in some way then yes I would. I would not accept all of it, but I would accept the role my actions played in it because taking responsibility for ones own actions was one of the first things I was taught from the age of 5.
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On March 16 2019 02:41 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2019 02:24 Nebuchad wrote:On March 16 2019 02:18 Danglars wrote:
Shooter lists off all the things he wants people to screech about after his act. All the idiots readily comply.
It’s the Charles Manson shit for a different age. I think we’re all collectively dumber than that age when it comes right down to it. This kind of reaction (and I’m talking about the two threads as a microcosm) will probably inspire more. Yes, you're right, what will inspire more people to kill in the name of white genocide is not the far right spreading conspiracy theories online about how white genocide is totally a real thing to a massive audience of impressionnable young men, it's the left reacting angrily against people who consistently flirt with fascist views after a fascist mass shooter mentions their name as influences regarding said mass shooting. It's good that you have your priorities in order. If he had mentioned your name and a couple of your friends, do you accept responsibility? If you defend yourself, is that just the true influencers trying to deflect? All he had is a plan, a gun, a video, and a written manifesto. It’s just as easy to burn some left winger trolls and get them all incensed at the accusation that they inspired this. I suggest calming down and not feeding trolls that kill people. Except its a lot harder to troll some left wingers by shooting up a mosque in their name because no left wingers are calling for the death of Muslims.
This is simple cause and effect.
Person X calls for violence against Muslims.
Person Y commits violence against Muslims and references person X.
It doesn't work if X wasn't hateful towards Muslims.
"Lolz we didn't mean it" isn't a defence when people go and do the thing your actively advocating for.
Plus there is the whole dying thing. People are willing to die for the cause they believe in, dying for the lolz of getting 2 sides who are already practically at war a little more cross? Gone be a damn small group.
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On March 16 2019 02:36 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2019 02:24 On_Slaught wrote:On March 16 2019 02:18 Danglars wrote:
Shooter lists off all the things he wants people to screech about after his act. All the idiots readily comply.
It’s the Charles Manson shit for a different age. I think we’re all collectively dumber than that age when it comes right down to it. This kind of reaction (and I’m talking about the two threads as a microcosm) will probably inspire more. Just no. Right wing shock jocks like Owens and "news orgs" like Brietbart and Fox inspire shit like this by continuing to spread lies, hate, and fear. This is pretty fucked up deflection. Those 4chan types like to sow division and laugh at people’s reactions. Left blamed the far right for this. Right wing bristles at the accusations and getting lumped into mass murderers. Next evil person knows all he needs is a manifesto and a kill count to spread discord and get the two sides to blame each other. Yep. You can even plop in as many memes into your manifesto as you like, and people will still say it’s Breitbart and Fox News and Owens that inspire this kind of stuff. Trolling accomplished. Don’t feed the trolls, in my opinion.
So, you think his motivation is for "people to screech about after his act". He likes "like to sow division and laugh at people’s reactions". Is this what you got from reading his manifesto. Is that a serious answer to the question?
Why are you typing as if the shooter didn't actively just murder a bunch of people? Is this some kind of joke to you?
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On March 16 2019 02:47 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2019 02:41 Danglars wrote:On March 16 2019 02:24 Nebuchad wrote:On March 16 2019 02:18 Danglars wrote:
Shooter lists off all the things he wants people to screech about after his act. All the idiots readily comply.
It’s the Charles Manson shit for a different age. I think we’re all collectively dumber than that age when it comes right down to it. This kind of reaction (and I’m talking about the two threads as a microcosm) will probably inspire more. Yes, you're right, what will inspire more people to kill in the name of white genocide is not the far right spreading conspiracy theories online about how white genocide is totally a real thing to a massive audience of impressionnable young men, it's the left reacting angrily against people who consistently flirt with fascist views after a fascist mass shooter mentions their name as influences regarding said mass shooting. It's good that you have your priorities in order. If he had mentioned your name and a couple of your friends, do you accept responsibility? If you defend yourself, is that just the true influencers trying to deflect? All he had is a plan, a gun, a video, and a written manifesto. It’s just as easy to burn some left winger trolls and get them all incensed at the accusation that they inspired this. I suggest calming down and not feeding trolls that kill people. If I had put out a thing talking about how person "x y and z are ruining this country and ruining our culture and are bad people" etc etc. and then someone was inspired by those words to harm some of those people in some way then yes I would. I would not accept all of it, but I would accept the role my actions played in it because taking responsibility for ones own actions was one of the first things I was taught from the age of 5.
Yes, I do deny your guilt in the matter. I also learned at a very young age that spreading guilt on people by association is unfounded. You can criticize Trump, call him evil, and STILL bear no responsibility if he is then shot. That includes if the wacko says he saw your criticism of Trump and decided to take things into his own hands.
I don’t see this form of guilt by association to be logically tenable at all. It’s a foolish game from start to finish.
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On March 16 2019 02:47 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2019 02:41 Danglars wrote:On March 16 2019 02:24 Nebuchad wrote:On March 16 2019 02:18 Danglars wrote:
Shooter lists off all the things he wants people to screech about after his act. All the idiots readily comply.
It’s the Charles Manson shit for a different age. I think we’re all collectively dumber than that age when it comes right down to it. This kind of reaction (and I’m talking about the two threads as a microcosm) will probably inspire more. Yes, you're right, what will inspire more people to kill in the name of white genocide is not the far right spreading conspiracy theories online about how white genocide is totally a real thing to a massive audience of impressionnable young men, it's the left reacting angrily against people who consistently flirt with fascist views after a fascist mass shooter mentions their name as influences regarding said mass shooting. It's good that you have your priorities in order. If he had mentioned your name and a couple of your friends, do you accept responsibility? If you defend yourself, is that just the true influencers trying to deflect? All he had is a plan, a gun, a video, and a written manifesto. It’s just as easy to burn some left winger trolls and get them all incensed at the accusation that they inspired this. I suggest calming down and not feeding trolls that kill people. Except its a lot harder to troll some left wingers by shooting up a mosque in their name because no left wingers are calling for the death of Muslims. This is simple cause and effect. Person X calls for violence against Muslims. Person Y commits violence against Muslims and references person X. It doesn't work if X wasn't hateful towards Muslims. "Lolz we didn't mean it" isn't a defence when people go and do the thing your actively advocating for. Plus there is the whole dying thing. People are willing to die for the cause they believe in, dying for the lolz of getting 2 sides who are already practically at war a little more cross? Gone be a damn small group.
They’ll pick another group. The last major act of political violence in the US was a left wing nut that shot up a bunch of Republican congressmen playing baseball.
Somehow, all the rhetoric that said Republicans were literally killing people was not blamed. Democrats didn’t accept blame. I’m learning that some people actually think he was one manifesto away from literally making Democrats to blame for his actions by their rhetoric. It’s ludicrous.
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On March 16 2019 03:01 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2019 02:47 Gorsameth wrote:On March 16 2019 02:41 Danglars wrote:On March 16 2019 02:24 Nebuchad wrote:On March 16 2019 02:18 Danglars wrote:
Shooter lists off all the things he wants people to screech about after his act. All the idiots readily comply.
It’s the Charles Manson shit for a different age. I think we’re all collectively dumber than that age when it comes right down to it. This kind of reaction (and I’m talking about the two threads as a microcosm) will probably inspire more. Yes, you're right, what will inspire more people to kill in the name of white genocide is not the far right spreading conspiracy theories online about how white genocide is totally a real thing to a massive audience of impressionnable young men, it's the left reacting angrily against people who consistently flirt with fascist views after a fascist mass shooter mentions their name as influences regarding said mass shooting. It's good that you have your priorities in order. If he had mentioned your name and a couple of your friends, do you accept responsibility? If you defend yourself, is that just the true influencers trying to deflect? All he had is a plan, a gun, a video, and a written manifesto. It’s just as easy to burn some left winger trolls and get them all incensed at the accusation that they inspired this. I suggest calming down and not feeding trolls that kill people. Except its a lot harder to troll some left wingers by shooting up a mosque in their name because no left wingers are calling for the death of Muslims. This is simple cause and effect. Person X calls for violence against Muslims. Person Y commits violence against Muslims and references person X. It doesn't work if X wasn't hateful towards Muslims. "Lolz we didn't mean it" isn't a defence when people go and do the thing your actively advocating for. Plus there is the whole dying thing. People are willing to die for the cause they believe in, dying for the lolz of getting 2 sides who are already practically at war a little more cross? Gone be a damn small group. They’ll pick another group. The last major act of political violence in the US was a left wing nut that shot up a bunch of Republican congressmen playing baseball.
This is an incredibly willful lapse of memory even for you.
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You know you have fucked up when your entire line of argumentation revolves around the idea that the other side is in the wrong atleast as much as you are.
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On March 16 2019 02:57 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2019 02:47 Adreme wrote:On March 16 2019 02:41 Danglars wrote:On March 16 2019 02:24 Nebuchad wrote:On March 16 2019 02:18 Danglars wrote:
Shooter lists off all the things he wants people to screech about after his act. All the idiots readily comply.
It’s the Charles Manson shit for a different age. I think we’re all collectively dumber than that age when it comes right down to it. This kind of reaction (and I’m talking about the two threads as a microcosm) will probably inspire more. Yes, you're right, what will inspire more people to kill in the name of white genocide is not the far right spreading conspiracy theories online about how white genocide is totally a real thing to a massive audience of impressionnable young men, it's the left reacting angrily against people who consistently flirt with fascist views after a fascist mass shooter mentions their name as influences regarding said mass shooting. It's good that you have your priorities in order. If he had mentioned your name and a couple of your friends, do you accept responsibility? If you defend yourself, is that just the true influencers trying to deflect? All he had is a plan, a gun, a video, and a written manifesto. It’s just as easy to burn some left winger trolls and get them all incensed at the accusation that they inspired this. I suggest calming down and not feeding trolls that kill people. If I had put out a thing talking about how person "x y and z are ruining this country and ruining our culture and are bad people" etc etc. and then someone was inspired by those words to harm some of those people in some way then yes I would. I would not accept all of it, but I would accept the role my actions played in it because taking responsibility for ones own actions was one of the first things I was taught from the age of 5. Yes, I do deny your guilt in the matter. I also learned at a very young age that spreading guilt on people by association is unfounded. You can criticize Trump, call him evil, and STILL bear no responsibility if he is then shot. That includes if the wacko says he saw your criticism of Trump and decided to take things into his own hands. I don’t see this form of guilt by association to be logically tenable at all. It’s a foolish game from start to finish.
That is NOT guilt by association. You are using that word VERY wrong. Guilt by association would be blaming his friends or family for his crimes under the guise that they MUST have been the influence for it or that they should have done something to stop it.
In this case I am ACTIVELY blaming certain people for wrongs and saying how they are the problems and having them around makes things worse. If someone takes those words to the logical conclusion that "Well I should therefore make them no longer around and things will get better" then yes I am responsible for inspiring that. I do not bear all the guilt but if those are not the actions I wanted to happen then maybe I should in this case consider why people are taking it to the "wrong" conclusion or that maybe what I am posting as a "joke" is not a joke to everyone.
I often find liberals are WAY too easy to be offended and it ruins their sense of humor but this is not that. This is not encouraging violence against people which is not the same thing "the comedian made an offensive joke about sex and should be banned from this place"
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On March 16 2019 03:14 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2019 02:57 Danglars wrote:On March 16 2019 02:47 Adreme wrote:On March 16 2019 02:41 Danglars wrote:On March 16 2019 02:24 Nebuchad wrote:On March 16 2019 02:18 Danglars wrote:
Shooter lists off all the things he wants people to screech about after his act. All the idiots readily comply.
It’s the Charles Manson shit for a different age. I think we’re all collectively dumber than that age when it comes right down to it. This kind of reaction (and I’m talking about the two threads as a microcosm) will probably inspire more. Yes, you're right, what will inspire more people to kill in the name of white genocide is not the far right spreading conspiracy theories online about how white genocide is totally a real thing to a massive audience of impressionnable young men, it's the left reacting angrily against people who consistently flirt with fascist views after a fascist mass shooter mentions their name as influences regarding said mass shooting. It's good that you have your priorities in order. If he had mentioned your name and a couple of your friends, do you accept responsibility? If you defend yourself, is that just the true influencers trying to deflect? All he had is a plan, a gun, a video, and a written manifesto. It’s just as easy to burn some left winger trolls and get them all incensed at the accusation that they inspired this. I suggest calming down and not feeding trolls that kill people. If I had put out a thing talking about how person "x y and z are ruining this country and ruining our culture and are bad people" etc etc. and then someone was inspired by those words to harm some of those people in some way then yes I would. I would not accept all of it, but I would accept the role my actions played in it because taking responsibility for ones own actions was one of the first things I was taught from the age of 5. Yes, I do deny your guilt in the matter. I also learned at a very young age that spreading guilt on people by association is unfounded. You can criticize Trump, call him evil, and STILL bear no responsibility if he is then shot. That includes if the wacko says he saw your criticism of Trump and decided to take things into his own hands. I don’t see this form of guilt by association to be logically tenable at all. It’s a foolish game from start to finish. That is NOT guilt by association. You are using that word VERY wrong. Guilt by association would be blaming his friends or family for his crimes under the guise that they MUST have been the influence for it or that they should have done something to stop it. In this case I am ACTIVELY blaming certain people for wrongs and saying how they are the problems and having them around makes things worse. If someone takes those words to the logical conclusion that "Well I should therefore make them no longer around and things will get better" then yes I am responsible for inspiring that. I do not bear all the guilt but if those are not the actions I wanted to happen then maybe I should in this case consider why people are taking it to the "wrong" conclusion or that maybe what I am posting as a "joke" is not a joke to everyone. I often find liberals are WAY too easy to be offended and it ruins their sense of humor but this is not that. This is not encouraging violence against people which is not the same thing "the comedian made an offensive joke about sex and should be banned from this place"
His manifesto is associated with various rhetoric on the right. Your accusation of guilt is alleged by association with people that never called for violence and didn’t personally encourage him. It’s textbook guilt by association. You just got done stating how someone who merely criticized someone without advocating violence bears partial blame for somebody that commits violence and blames the criticism. That’s associating criticism with acts of violence. It means your criticism of Trump could implicate you in an act of violence against him, if the crazy merely uses your basis for criticism in an attempt to justify the act. You’re fine accepting that guilt and I’m not.
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The Candance Owens part in the manifesto is clearly a joke, just like the pewdiepie meme.
That guy's brain has rotten on 4chan memes and the like, its a sick example of someone who has chosen to let his perception of reality to be guided by shit he saw on a deranged anime image board.
Nonetheless, I am a bit suprised to see that some people in this thread are reluctant to call that guy what he is:
a rightwing terrorist.
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On March 16 2019 03:24 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2019 03:14 Adreme wrote:On March 16 2019 02:57 Danglars wrote:On March 16 2019 02:47 Adreme wrote:On March 16 2019 02:41 Danglars wrote:On March 16 2019 02:24 Nebuchad wrote:On March 16 2019 02:18 Danglars wrote:
Shooter lists off all the things he wants people to screech about after his act. All the idiots readily comply.
It’s the Charles Manson shit for a different age. I think we’re all collectively dumber than that age when it comes right down to it. This kind of reaction (and I’m talking about the two threads as a microcosm) will probably inspire more. Yes, you're right, what will inspire more people to kill in the name of white genocide is not the far right spreading conspiracy theories online about how white genocide is totally a real thing to a massive audience of impressionnable young men, it's the left reacting angrily against people who consistently flirt with fascist views after a fascist mass shooter mentions their name as influences regarding said mass shooting. It's good that you have your priorities in order. If he had mentioned your name and a couple of your friends, do you accept responsibility? If you defend yourself, is that just the true influencers trying to deflect? All he had is a plan, a gun, a video, and a written manifesto. It’s just as easy to burn some left winger trolls and get them all incensed at the accusation that they inspired this. I suggest calming down and not feeding trolls that kill people. If I had put out a thing talking about how person "x y and z are ruining this country and ruining our culture and are bad people" etc etc. and then someone was inspired by those words to harm some of those people in some way then yes I would. I would not accept all of it, but I would accept the role my actions played in it because taking responsibility for ones own actions was one of the first things I was taught from the age of 5. Yes, I do deny your guilt in the matter. I also learned at a very young age that spreading guilt on people by association is unfounded. You can criticize Trump, call him evil, and STILL bear no responsibility if he is then shot. That includes if the wacko says he saw your criticism of Trump and decided to take things into his own hands. I don’t see this form of guilt by association to be logically tenable at all. It’s a foolish game from start to finish. That is NOT guilt by association. You are using that word VERY wrong. Guilt by association would be blaming his friends or family for his crimes under the guise that they MUST have been the influence for it or that they should have done something to stop it. In this case I am ACTIVELY blaming certain people for wrongs and saying how they are the problems and having them around makes things worse. If someone takes those words to the logical conclusion that "Well I should therefore make them no longer around and things will get better" then yes I am responsible for inspiring that. I do not bear all the guilt but if those are not the actions I wanted to happen then maybe I should in this case consider why people are taking it to the "wrong" conclusion or that maybe what I am posting as a "joke" is not a joke to everyone. I often find liberals are WAY too easy to be offended and it ruins their sense of humor but this is not that. This is not encouraging violence against people which is not the same thing "the comedian made an offensive joke about sex and should be banned from this place" His manifesto is associated with various rhetoric on the right. Your accusation of guilt is alleged by association with people that never called for violence and didn’t personally encourage him. It’s textbook guilt by association. You just got done stating how someone who merely criticized someone without advocating violence bears partial blame for somebody that commits violence and blames the criticism. That’s associating criticism with acts of violence. It means your criticism of Trump could implicate you in an act of violence against him, if the crazy merely uses your basis for criticism in an attempt to justify the act. You’re fine accepting that guilt and I’m not.
If I got up every day and spouted how Muslims are ruining America and that America would be better off without them and someone does this then just because I didn't go up to Greg beforehand (making up a name) and go "Greg do something about it" does not make me less responsible.
Once Greg does his awful act, there are 2 options on the table from me, either I can accept my part in it (and be either okay or not okay with it which is whole other can of worms), or I can live under the delusion that my actions somehow have no consequences whatsoever. Its not a unique delusion. People live under that delusion all the time in so many ways. When a drug company raises its prices 6000% and says "well its what its worth and if we didnt someone else would" they either do not believe that or they are delusional.
On a more recent event the school shooting with the SRO who ran and figured he could not have done anything. He was PROBABLY right, but unless he is delusional he has to know that maybe he could've. I am not saying he was right or wrong only that when you say there is "nothing" you could have done in situations like that or that "I was joking and really who takes it seriously?" you are trying to diffuse your own responsibility for actions that happen (I am well aware I am saying my premise poorly and do apologize for that).
In this world actions have consequences no matter how big or small and while its crazy to think we could anticipate all those consequences, its also a tragedy to deny the consequences and refuse to learn from them.
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