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On March 08 2019 09:16 Kyadytim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 09:13 Ayaz2810 wrote:On March 08 2019 09:08 Gorsameth wrote:On March 08 2019 09:04 Ayaz2810 wrote:
4 years for Manafort?! My fucking brother in law got 5 for holding up a gas station to buy heroin after he got hooked on Oxy in the Army. And Manafort gets fucking 4 years for treason?
What the hell is going on? Judge Berman-Jackson better drop the hammer on this piece of shit. If your white and rich, crime pays. I work at an American prison and no lie, there's a dude here for 12.5 years for writing a stolen check for $5,000. JUst for some god damn perspective. I am so disgusted right now I'm shaking with rage. Pair this miscarriage of justice with the new polling that shows ~62% of Republicans wouldn't want to impeach even if crimes were proven (collusion and obstruction), and you have a recipe for blood in the streets in the next year. Sane people will not stand for this shit. It will either be the trump-haters that snap, or Trump will incite his followers to rise up in his defense. I'm thinking 50/50 chance we have a civil war. And the craziest thing about that idea? Multiple people have spoken it out loud on television in all seriousness. People who have known Trump/Cohen/Etc for years. Sentencing guidelines suggested 19 to 24 years, but the judge felt that would be too harsh.
Yeah, I heard. And then the judge proceeded to compliment Manafort on his exemplary life and how he made people look up to him blah blah blah. This is a guy who worked for literal dictators who killed their own people, but the judge was verbally sucking his dick. This judge is crooked as fuck as far as I'm concerned. I'm just beyond words really. I can't put together a coherent thought I'm so rocked by this.
People have been sentenced to LIFE in prison for selling pot. LIFE. Yet Manafort, who committed tax and bank fraud in the amount of millions gets four years.
Let me say that again, he cheated the american tax payers out of millions of dollars and got four years. A black man selling a harmless plant gets LIFE in prison. Our justice system is completely broken.
EDIT: And he gets 9 months of time already served. Wow.
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That is a ridiculously low amount of time to serve, given the severity of his crimes. White collar crime pays, and don't let anyone tell you differently.
I expect he'll never get out of prison though, there's likely additional unfiled charges that can be filed, and run through the system to keep him imprisoned for the rest of his life.
Manafort should die in jail.
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On March 08 2019 09:25 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 09:19 Saryph wrote:
Do you guys think the story is that he is getting too short of a sentence or that people who are less affluent get too much more time compared to him? Why not both?
It's definitely both. White collar crime, especially the really outrageous stuff, does not get sufficiently punished, while blue collar crime brings on things like mandatory minimums. When a really rich person commits a blue collar crime and gets caught, that's what expensive lawyers are for.
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That sentencing is disheartening. The worst thing is 'He's led an otherwise blameless life'. Yes I'm sure he just accidentally rolled into this whole dirty money thing just lately.
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I don't know the details of the US court system, can the prosecutor file an appeal and attempt to get a higher sentence from a higher court?
If so that is 100% happening considering the lousy reasoning for the reduced sentence right?
a blameless life with 18 counts of varies forms of money fraud and another big case running.
lol
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Let's wait for the right leaning posters to weigh in on this. I'm curious as to their thoughts (although I suspect it won't be genuine). The justice system is a complete joke, as already stated. The only thing is to literally vote these kinds of people out and replace them. Once a judge does something this egregious to the law, expect a lot of noise. Possibly a ton of appeals and calls for clemency/thrown out convictions from others he may have ordered to prison.
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I've seen some people say he has a history of disliking long sentences for defendants, especially mandatory ones imposed by Congress, which he feels are overreach by the legislature into the judiciary. Someone posted some sentences handed down by him where he complains about them. Not that I agree with his decision.
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He was convicted of tax and bank fraud. He pays $24.8 million in restitution and $50k fine. You'll have to ask a lawyer for more particulars on financial crime sentencing.
He was only convicted on 8 of 18 counts, and contrary to partisans on the last page, none of them was "treason."
NPR reports he's still yet to undergo sentencing in another case.
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While the sentence is embarrassing and the Judge should be publically shamed, this isnt the only trial Manafort is on the hook for, no? He will go to jail for longer than 4 years when it's all said and done.
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On March 08 2019 09:04 Ayaz2810 wrote:
4 years for Manafort?! My fucking brother in law got 5 for holding up a gas station to buy heroin after he got hooked on Oxy in the Army. And Manafort gets fucking 4 years for treason?
What the hell is going on? Judge Berman-Jackson better drop the hammer on this piece of shit.
He wasn’t convicted of treason.
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On March 08 2019 10:46 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 09:04 Ayaz2810 wrote:
4 years for Manafort?! My fucking brother in law got 5 for holding up a gas station to buy heroin after he got hooked on Oxy in the Army. And Manafort gets fucking 4 years for treason?
What the hell is going on? Judge Berman-Jackson better drop the hammer on this piece of shit. He wasn’t convicted of treason.
THAT'S what you focus on in my diatribe? Fine, he was convicted of a bunch of white collar crimes and many of them were related to the treason he committed but has not yet been charged with. Does that help?
And we all know he's a traitor. We don't have to hold him to the same standard as a court of law. I know for a fact he helped Trump get elected with the help of Russia. I don't need 4,000 pages of documents and a bullet point timeline made by prosecutors to tell me what I see in front of my face already. There's enough public reporting on the issue for all of us to be certain it happened. If there was any doubt left, the sharing of secret polling data with Russian intel put a nail in that fuckin' coffin.
EDIT: Fun speculation time. The data transmitted from the Trump server to Alfa Bank was likely the polling data and the info Manafort shared was the information to make sense of it. Calling it now.
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On March 08 2019 11:24 Ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 10:46 xDaunt wrote:On March 08 2019 09:04 Ayaz2810 wrote:
4 years for Manafort?! My fucking brother in law got 5 for holding up a gas station to buy heroin after he got hooked on Oxy in the Army. And Manafort gets fucking 4 years for treason?
What the hell is going on? Judge Berman-Jackson better drop the hammer on this piece of shit. He wasn’t convicted of treason. THAT'S what you focus on in my diatribe? Fine, he was convicted of a bunch of white collar crimes and many of them were related to the treason he committed but has not yet been charged with. Does that help? And we all know he's a traitor. We don't have to hold him to the same standard as a court of law. I know for a fact he helped Trump get elected with the help of Russia. I don't need 4,000 pages of documents and a bullet point timeline made by prosecutors to tell me what I see in front of my face already. There's enough public reporting on the issue for all of us to be certain it happened. If there was any doubt left, the sharing of secret polling data with Russian intel put a nail in that fuckin' coffin. EDIT: Fun speculation time. The data transmitted from the Trump server to Alfa Bank was likely the polling data and the info Manafort shared was the information to make sense of it. Calling it now.
There is no basis for any of this. None of what Manafort was even charged with, much less convicted of, had anything to do with Trump. Hell, we still don’t have any evidence of Trump/Russia collusion according to the House and Senate committees, and it is obvious that Mueller’s report won’t have it either, which is why Democrats are twisting themselves into pretzels to move onto to an obstruction narrative. But that charge is just as baseless due to testimony that McCabe, Comey, and Baker have given.
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Yeah, all those convictions have been a real waste of time. And the whole lying to the American people. But don’t let that get in the way of a good “Trump didn’t make a deal with Putin in writing m” narrative.
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On March 08 2019 11:49 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 11:24 Ayaz2810 wrote:On March 08 2019 10:46 xDaunt wrote:On March 08 2019 09:04 Ayaz2810 wrote:
4 years for Manafort?! My fucking brother in law got 5 for holding up a gas station to buy heroin after he got hooked on Oxy in the Army. And Manafort gets fucking 4 years for treason?
What the hell is going on? Judge Berman-Jackson better drop the hammer on this piece of shit. He wasn’t convicted of treason. THAT'S what you focus on in my diatribe? Fine, he was convicted of a bunch of white collar crimes and many of them were related to the treason he committed but has not yet been charged with. Does that help? And we all know he's a traitor. We don't have to hold him to the same standard as a court of law. I know for a fact he helped Trump get elected with the help of Russia. I don't need 4,000 pages of documents and a bullet point timeline made by prosecutors to tell me what I see in front of my face already. There's enough public reporting on the issue for all of us to be certain it happened. If there was any doubt left, the sharing of secret polling data with Russian intel put a nail in that fuckin' coffin. EDIT: Fun speculation time. The data transmitted from the Trump server to Alfa Bank was likely the polling data and the info Manafort shared was the information to make sense of it. Calling it now. There is no basis for any of this. None of what Manafort was even charged with, much less convicted of, had anything to do with Trump. Hell, we still don’t have any evidence of Trump/Russia collusion according to the House and Senate committees, and it is obvious that Mueller’s report won’t have it either, which is why Democrats are twisting themselves in pretzels to move onto to an obstruction narrative. But that charge is just as baseless due to testimony that McCabe, Comey, and Baker have given.
No basis? What universe do you live in?
Existing ties to Russia through Ukraine
Republican platform change
Ties to Russian oligarchs (even in debt to them)
Sharing of polling data
Trump tower meeting
Konstantin Kilimnik
Ties to Roger Stone > Wikileaks > Russia
Many more things that you can get just from reading for an hour.
"On February 14, 2017, The New York Times reported that Paul Manafort had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials during 2016. Manafort said he did not knowingly meet any Russian intelligence officials.[32] Intercepted communications during the campaign show that Russian officials believed they could use Manafort to influence Trump.[79] On June 2, 2017, special counsel Robert Mueller assumed the criminal probe into Manafort,[80] which predates the 2016 election and the counterintelligence probe that in July 2016 began investigating possible collusion between Moscow and associates of Trump. Manafort was forced to resign as Trump campaign chairman in August 2016 amid questions over his business dealings in Ukraine years earlier.[80] On September 18, 2017, CNN reported that the FBI wiretapped Manafort from 2014 until an unspecified date in 2016 and again from the fall of 2016 until early 2017, pursuant to two separate Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court orders. It has not been confirmed that Trump's conversations with Manafort were intercepted as part of this surveillance. CNN also confirmed that "Mueller's team ... has been provided details of these communications."[81]
In October 2017, Manafort was indicted by a federal grand jury and arrested on twelve criminal charges including conspiracy, money laundering, failure to register as an agent of a foreign power, and false statements.[82] The charges arose from his consulting work for a pro-Russian government in Ukraine and are unrelated to the Trump campaign.[83] Manafort pleaded not guilty and was placed under house arrest.[84] On February 22, 2018, Manafort was indicted on 32 federal charges including tax evasion, money laundering and fraud relating to their foreign lobbying before, during and after the 2016 campaign.[85] The following day, after Rick Gates plead guilty to some charges, he was indicted on two additional charges relating to pro-Russian lobbying in the United States.[86]"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials
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On March 08 2019 12:00 Ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 11:49 xDaunt wrote:On March 08 2019 11:24 Ayaz2810 wrote:On March 08 2019 10:46 xDaunt wrote:On March 08 2019 09:04 Ayaz2810 wrote:
4 years for Manafort?! My fucking brother in law got 5 for holding up a gas station to buy heroin after he got hooked on Oxy in the Army. And Manafort gets fucking 4 years for treason?
What the hell is going on? Judge Berman-Jackson better drop the hammer on this piece of shit. He wasn’t convicted of treason. THAT'S what you focus on in my diatribe? Fine, he was convicted of a bunch of white collar crimes and many of them were related to the treason he committed but has not yet been charged with. Does that help? And we all know he's a traitor. We don't have to hold him to the same standard as a court of law. I know for a fact he helped Trump get elected with the help of Russia. I don't need 4,000 pages of documents and a bullet point timeline made by prosecutors to tell me what I see in front of my face already. There's enough public reporting on the issue for all of us to be certain it happened. If there was any doubt left, the sharing of secret polling data with Russian intel put a nail in that fuckin' coffin. EDIT: Fun speculation time. The data transmitted from the Trump server to Alfa Bank was likely the polling data and the info Manafort shared was the information to make sense of it. Calling it now. There is no basis for any of this. None of what Manafort was even charged with, much less convicted of, had anything to do with Trump. Hell, we still don’t have any evidence of Trump/Russia collusion according to the House and Senate committees, and it is obvious that Mueller’s report won’t have it either, which is why Democrats are twisting themselves in pretzels to move onto to an obstruction narrative. But that charge is just as baseless due to testimony that McCabe, Comey, and Baker have given. No basis? What universe do you live in? Existing ties to Russia through Ukraine Republican platform change Ties to Russian oligarchs (even in debt to them) Sharing of polling data Trump tower meeting Konstantin Kilimnik Ties to Roger Stone > Wikileaks > Russia Many more things that you can get just from reading for an hour. "On February 14, 2017, The New York Times reported that Paul Manafort had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials during 2016. Manafort said he did not knowingly meet any Russian intelligence officials.[32] Intercepted communications during the campaign show that Russian officials believed they could use Manafort to influence Trump.[79] On June 2, 2017, special counsel Robert Mueller assumed the criminal probe into Manafort,[80] which predates the 2016 election and the counterintelligence probe that in July 2016 began investigating possible collusion between Moscow and associates of Trump. Manafort was forced to resign as Trump campaign chairman in August 2016 amid questions over his business dealings in Ukraine years earlier.[80] On September 18, 2017, CNN reported that the FBI wiretapped Manafort from 2014 until an unspecified date in 2016 and again from the fall of 2016 until early 2017, pursuant to two separate Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court orders. It has not been confirmed that Trump's conversations with Manafort were intercepted as part of this surveillance. CNN also confirmed that "Mueller's team ... has been provided details of these communications."[81] In October 2017, Manafort was indicted by a federal grand jury and arrested on twelve criminal charges including conspiracy, money laundering, failure to register as an agent of a foreign power, and false statements.[82] The charges arose from his consulting work for a pro-Russian government in Ukraine and are unrelated to the Trump campaign.[83] Manafort pleaded not guilty and was placed under house arrest.[84] On February 22, 2018, Manafort was indicted on 32 federal charges including tax evasion, money laundering and fraud relating to their foreign lobbying before, during and after the 2016 campaign.[85] The following day, after Rick Gates plead guilty to some charges, he was indicted on two additional charges relating to pro-Russian lobbying in the United States.[86]" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials
First of all, you are citing a Wikileaks article that is inaccurate and clearly out of date. Second, the article still doesn’t support what you are arguing. You are badly overciting it.
EDIT: Just to put an exclamation point on this, here's the Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman talking to CBS last month:
Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr said Thursday that his committee's Russia investigation has yet to find evidence of collusion between President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign and the Kremlin but will soon release a report on the Obama administration's response to Russian interference in the last presidential election.
In an interview with CBS published Thursday, Burr (R-N.C.) gave glimpses into the dynamics and scope of his committee's probe, which was launched shortly before Trump's 2017 inauguration and has now stretched into its third year. Burr told CBS that the committee staff has interviewed more than 200 witnesses from multiple countries and reviewed over 300,000 pages.
"Based on the evidence to date," Burr said, the committee could not definitively say there was collusion between Trump and the Russians.
"If we write a report based upon the facts that we have, then we don't have anything that would suggest there was collusion by the Trump campaign and Russia," Burr told CBS.
Still, the senator said some questions raised over the investigation could occupy the committee "for the next decade," and that portions of the final report could be so classified that they are never revealed to the public. Burr said his committee is "close to pushing out the door" a report on the Obama administration's response to Russian election interference, a release that the chairman said could come within a "matter of weeks."
Source.
Let's just be clear that this guy knows exactly what's out there. In fact, he has more than Mueller does because he gets access to intelligence assets.
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I thought they'd already circulated the memo that the Mueller report wouldn't contain anything breaking about Trump-Russian collusion? The line is that Mueller was just investigating Russian influence in the 2016 election. The media buzz was simply a case of reporters getting overeager with tries for impeachment.
I see some sincerity in questioning Trump's business dealings while he was running for President and after election. Fine. Say Trump's unethical in pursuing Trump Tower projects. Or damn both Clinton and Trump for looking to Russian associates and Fusion GPS associates for opposition research. Just don't expose yourself so nakedly out there where your entire credibility is resting on major discoveries in treasonous collusion. You will end up as another discredited conspiracy theorist saying the next investigation or the one after that will finally prove it all right.
Ayaz2810 is one of the more bombastic theorists. I'm not holding my breath that
On March 08 2019 09:04 Ayaz2810 wrote:
My fucking brother in law got 5 for holding up a gas station to buy heroin after he got hooked on Oxy in the Army. And Manafort gets fucking 4 years for treason?
turns into
Ayaz2810 wrote:
Sorry. Manafort was never charged with treason. He got a light sentence, fine, and restitution for some financial crimes. My bad.
It's the liberals just a little bit behind him in gusto that I'm interested in. Trump fought through two years of "Papadopoulos will prove collusion" or "Flynn will prove Russian collusion" from national media figures, even as a half dozen (and counting) of senior FBI officials resign or are fired in disgrace. There isn't a real opportunity to pull a mea culpa, apologize, kiss and make up for wasted time and false allegations seeking to deny the electoral majority of the American electorate their Presidential choice in office. The years ahead will be even worse if the Mueller investigation turns out to be Manafort, FEC violations, and Russians doing what they've always done.
People here will have to imagine the Trump administration using a Republican-funded oppo document to open an FBI investigation into Kamala Harris presidency to bog down half of her first term to really understand what's coming their way.
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On March 08 2019 12:31 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 12:00 Ayaz2810 wrote:On March 08 2019 11:49 xDaunt wrote:On March 08 2019 11:24 Ayaz2810 wrote:On March 08 2019 10:46 xDaunt wrote:On March 08 2019 09:04 Ayaz2810 wrote:
4 years for Manafort?! My fucking brother in law got 5 for holding up a gas station to buy heroin after he got hooked on Oxy in the Army. And Manafort gets fucking 4 years for treason?
What the hell is going on? Judge Berman-Jackson better drop the hammer on this piece of shit. He wasn’t convicted of treason. THAT'S what you focus on in my diatribe? Fine, he was convicted of a bunch of white collar crimes and many of them were related to the treason he committed but has not yet been charged with. Does that help? And we all know he's a traitor. We don't have to hold him to the same standard as a court of law. I know for a fact he helped Trump get elected with the help of Russia. I don't need 4,000 pages of documents and a bullet point timeline made by prosecutors to tell me what I see in front of my face already. There's enough public reporting on the issue for all of us to be certain it happened. If there was any doubt left, the sharing of secret polling data with Russian intel put a nail in that fuckin' coffin. EDIT: Fun speculation time. The data transmitted from the Trump server to Alfa Bank was likely the polling data and the info Manafort shared was the information to make sense of it. Calling it now. There is no basis for any of this. None of what Manafort was even charged with, much less convicted of, had anything to do with Trump. Hell, we still don’t have any evidence of Trump/Russia collusion according to the House and Senate committees, and it is obvious that Mueller’s report won’t have it either, which is why Democrats are twisting themselves in pretzels to move onto to an obstruction narrative. But that charge is just as baseless due to testimony that McCabe, Comey, and Baker have given. No basis? What universe do you live in? Existing ties to Russia through Ukraine Republican platform change Ties to Russian oligarchs (even in debt to them) Sharing of polling data Trump tower meeting Konstantin Kilimnik Ties to Roger Stone > Wikileaks > Russia Many more things that you can get just from reading for an hour. "On February 14, 2017, The New York Times reported that Paul Manafort had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials during 2016. Manafort said he did not knowingly meet any Russian intelligence officials.[32] Intercepted communications during the campaign show that Russian officials believed they could use Manafort to influence Trump.[79] On June 2, 2017, special counsel Robert Mueller assumed the criminal probe into Manafort,[80] which predates the 2016 election and the counterintelligence probe that in July 2016 began investigating possible collusion between Moscow and associates of Trump. Manafort was forced to resign as Trump campaign chairman in August 2016 amid questions over his business dealings in Ukraine years earlier.[80] On September 18, 2017, CNN reported that the FBI wiretapped Manafort from 2014 until an unspecified date in 2016 and again from the fall of 2016 until early 2017, pursuant to two separate Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court orders. It has not been confirmed that Trump's conversations with Manafort were intercepted as part of this surveillance. CNN also confirmed that "Mueller's team ... has been provided details of these communications."[81] In October 2017, Manafort was indicted by a federal grand jury and arrested on twelve criminal charges including conspiracy, money laundering, failure to register as an agent of a foreign power, and false statements.[82] The charges arose from his consulting work for a pro-Russian government in Ukraine and are unrelated to the Trump campaign.[83] Manafort pleaded not guilty and was placed under house arrest.[84] On February 22, 2018, Manafort was indicted on 32 federal charges including tax evasion, money laundering and fraud relating to their foreign lobbying before, during and after the 2016 campaign.[85] The following day, after Rick Gates plead guilty to some charges, he was indicted on two additional charges relating to pro-Russian lobbying in the United States.[86]" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials First of all, you are citing a Wikileaks article that is inaccurate and clearly out of date. Second, the article still doesn’t support what you are arguing. You are badly overciting it. EDIT: Just to put an exclamation point on this, here's the Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman talking to CBS last month: Show nested quote +Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr said Thursday that his committee's Russia investigation has yet to find evidence of collusion between President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign and the Kremlin but will soon release a report on the Obama administration's response to Russian interference in the last presidential election.
In an interview with CBS published Thursday, Burr (R-N.C.) gave glimpses into the dynamics and scope of his committee's probe, which was launched shortly before Trump's 2017 inauguration and has now stretched into its third year. Burr told CBS that the committee staff has interviewed more than 200 witnesses from multiple countries and reviewed over 300,000 pages.
"Based on the evidence to date," Burr said, the committee could not definitively say there was collusion between Trump and the Russians.
"If we write a report based upon the facts that we have, then we don't have anything that would suggest there was collusion by the Trump campaign and Russia," Burr told CBS.
Still, the senator said some questions raised over the investigation could occupy the committee "for the next decade," and that portions of the final report could be so classified that they are never revealed to the public. Burr said his committee is "close to pushing out the door" a report on the Obama administration's response to Russian election interference, a release that the chairman said could come within a "matter of weeks." Source. Let's just be clear that this guy knows exactly what's out there. In fact, he has more than Mueller does because he gets access to intelligence assets.
He's a Republican and thus a party hack. Did you not see the circlejerk that was Cohen's testimony? Also:
"What we do know, and it's part of the public record, there's never been a campaign in American history that during the campaign and its aftermath that the campaign folks affiliated with the campaign had as many ties with Russia as the Trump campaign did," Warner said."
And:
"In an interview on CNN, Schiff rejected Senate Intelligence Chairman Richard Burr’s statements from earlier this month, in which Burr said evidence shows no collusion by the Trump campaign and Russia.
“Chairman Burr must have a different word for it,” Schiff told host Dana Bash on “State of the Union,” pointing to communications between Russia and Donald Trump Jr. and former Trump aides George Papadopoulos and Michael Flynn.
“You can see evidence in plain sight on the issue of collusion, pretty compelling evidence,” Schiff said, adding, “There is a difference between seeing evidence of collusion and being able to prove a criminal conspiracy beyond a reasonable doubt.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2019/02/17/trump-russia-collusion-adam-schiff-1173434
Considering the Dems are the only ones attempting any kind of oversight and transparency, I'm gonna go ahead and say conspiracy to defraud the United States is on the table for everyone involved. Bonus points for Schiff taking the words out of my mouth.
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On March 08 2019 13:07 Ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 12:31 xDaunt wrote:On March 08 2019 12:00 Ayaz2810 wrote:On March 08 2019 11:49 xDaunt wrote:On March 08 2019 11:24 Ayaz2810 wrote:On March 08 2019 10:46 xDaunt wrote:On March 08 2019 09:04 Ayaz2810 wrote:
4 years for Manafort?! My fucking brother in law got 5 for holding up a gas station to buy heroin after he got hooked on Oxy in the Army. And Manafort gets fucking 4 years for treason?
What the hell is going on? Judge Berman-Jackson better drop the hammer on this piece of shit. He wasn’t convicted of treason. THAT'S what you focus on in my diatribe? Fine, he was convicted of a bunch of white collar crimes and many of them were related to the treason he committed but has not yet been charged with. Does that help? And we all know he's a traitor. We don't have to hold him to the same standard as a court of law. I know for a fact he helped Trump get elected with the help of Russia. I don't need 4,000 pages of documents and a bullet point timeline made by prosecutors to tell me what I see in front of my face already. There's enough public reporting on the issue for all of us to be certain it happened. If there was any doubt left, the sharing of secret polling data with Russian intel put a nail in that fuckin' coffin. EDIT: Fun speculation time. The data transmitted from the Trump server to Alfa Bank was likely the polling data and the info Manafort shared was the information to make sense of it. Calling it now. There is no basis for any of this. None of what Manafort was even charged with, much less convicted of, had anything to do with Trump. Hell, we still don’t have any evidence of Trump/Russia collusion according to the House and Senate committees, and it is obvious that Mueller’s report won’t have it either, which is why Democrats are twisting themselves in pretzels to move onto to an obstruction narrative. But that charge is just as baseless due to testimony that McCabe, Comey, and Baker have given. No basis? What universe do you live in? Existing ties to Russia through Ukraine Republican platform change Ties to Russian oligarchs (even in debt to them) Sharing of polling data Trump tower meeting Konstantin Kilimnik Ties to Roger Stone > Wikileaks > Russia Many more things that you can get just from reading for an hour. "On February 14, 2017, The New York Times reported that Paul Manafort had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials during 2016. Manafort said he did not knowingly meet any Russian intelligence officials.[32] Intercepted communications during the campaign show that Russian officials believed they could use Manafort to influence Trump.[79] On June 2, 2017, special counsel Robert Mueller assumed the criminal probe into Manafort,[80] which predates the 2016 election and the counterintelligence probe that in July 2016 began investigating possible collusion between Moscow and associates of Trump. Manafort was forced to resign as Trump campaign chairman in August 2016 amid questions over his business dealings in Ukraine years earlier.[80] On September 18, 2017, CNN reported that the FBI wiretapped Manafort from 2014 until an unspecified date in 2016 and again from the fall of 2016 until early 2017, pursuant to two separate Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court orders. It has not been confirmed that Trump's conversations with Manafort were intercepted as part of this surveillance. CNN also confirmed that "Mueller's team ... has been provided details of these communications."[81] In October 2017, Manafort was indicted by a federal grand jury and arrested on twelve criminal charges including conspiracy, money laundering, failure to register as an agent of a foreign power, and false statements.[82] The charges arose from his consulting work for a pro-Russian government in Ukraine and are unrelated to the Trump campaign.[83] Manafort pleaded not guilty and was placed under house arrest.[84] On February 22, 2018, Manafort was indicted on 32 federal charges including tax evasion, money laundering and fraud relating to their foreign lobbying before, during and after the 2016 campaign.[85] The following day, after Rick Gates plead guilty to some charges, he was indicted on two additional charges relating to pro-Russian lobbying in the United States.[86]" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials First of all, you are citing a Wikileaks article that is inaccurate and clearly out of date. Second, the article still doesn’t support what you are arguing. You are badly overciting it. EDIT: Just to put an exclamation point on this, here's the Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman talking to CBS last month: Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr said Thursday that his committee's Russia investigation has yet to find evidence of collusion between President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign and the Kremlin but will soon release a report on the Obama administration's response to Russian interference in the last presidential election.
In an interview with CBS published Thursday, Burr (R-N.C.) gave glimpses into the dynamics and scope of his committee's probe, which was launched shortly before Trump's 2017 inauguration and has now stretched into its third year. Burr told CBS that the committee staff has interviewed more than 200 witnesses from multiple countries and reviewed over 300,000 pages.
"Based on the evidence to date," Burr said, the committee could not definitively say there was collusion between Trump and the Russians.
"If we write a report based upon the facts that we have, then we don't have anything that would suggest there was collusion by the Trump campaign and Russia," Burr told CBS.
Still, the senator said some questions raised over the investigation could occupy the committee "for the next decade," and that portions of the final report could be so classified that they are never revealed to the public. Burr said his committee is "close to pushing out the door" a report on the Obama administration's response to Russian election interference, a release that the chairman said could come within a "matter of weeks." Source. Let's just be clear that this guy knows exactly what's out there. In fact, he has more than Mueller does because he gets access to intelligence assets. He's a Republican and thus a party hack. Did you not see the circlejerk that was Cohen's testimony? Also: "What we do know, and it's part of the public record, there's never been a campaign in American history that during the campaign and its aftermath that the campaign folks affiliated with the campaign had as many ties with Russia as the Trump campaign did," Warner said." And: "In an interview on CNN, Schiff rejected Senate Intelligence Chairman Richard Burr’s statements from earlier this month, in which Burr said evidence shows no collusion by the Trump campaign and Russia. “Chairman Burr must have a different word for it,” Schiff told host Dana Bash on “State of the Union,” pointing to communications between Russia and Donald Trump Jr. and former Trump aides George Papadopoulos and Michael Flynn. “You can see evidence in plain sight on the issue of collusion, pretty compelling evidence,” Schiff said, adding, “ There is a difference between seeing evidence of collusion and being able to prove a criminal conspiracy beyond a reasonable doubt.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2019/02/17/trump-russia-collusion-adam-schiff-1173434Considering the Dems are the only ones attempting any kind of oversight and transparency, I'm gonna go ahead and say conspiracy to defraud the United States is on the table for everyone involved. Bonus points for Schiff taking the words out of my mouth.
You realize that all of the testimony from every member of the FBI and DOJ who was involved in the investigation rebuts Schiff, right? Other than McCabe, Schiff may be the most dishonest player in this whole mess.
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Ellis is absolutely disgusting. Openly corrupt and biased Republican political operative federal "judge". United States "law" is a fucking joke. What an abortion of justice.
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