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On February 03 2019 08:11 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2019 04:01 farvacola wrote:
I hope he resigns or is otherwise ostracized sufficiently, but goddamn, the pearl clutching on the part of conservative talking heads is off the charts lol Maybe because the far left has overused the term racist so much to smear centrists and right wingers that when one of their own is actually shown to be a racist it’s newsworthy. I mean the guys nickname during college was ‘coonman’ ffs.As recently as 2013 he refused to shake hands with a black candidate for Lt governor in a tv debate.Guy is a racist, needs to go.
You realize that this just shows how the left polices their own, as they did with Franken (which was a false allegation no less), and the Republicans literally use racism to fundraise (looking at you Steve King) right?
I'm so fucking proud of how Democrats handle shit like this compared to how Republicans either implicitly/explicitly endorse it, or just bury their heads in the sand.
I'll amend a previous comment I've made in real life: not all right wingers are racist, but MOST racists are right wingers. This doesn't change that.
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On February 03 2019 09:56 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2019 08:29 Slydie wrote:
I think this relentless focus on incidents of the past is distracting far too much from actual politics. You can be a very good governor even with having had some very comprimising photoes taken of you at some point.
The context of the picture is very important too. During their studies, my sisters went to some "unappropriate themed" parties and "S" parties where people dressed as Suicide bombers. I don't think everything should be taken so seriously! This isn’t some dude being naked and flexing on the internet. This is some dude that is either in blackface or wearing a KKK hood. Democrats want him gone for obvious reasons, mainly because this is racist as heck no matter how you cut it. I’ve always had very poor impressions of people who take part in intentionally inappropriate costume parties. Is there a serious need for someone to come dressed up as Chairman Mao, Stalin or Hitler? Why would anyone find it funny to take the effort to scrounge up the articles of clothing to pull off that cosplay? It’s not like the million other costume themed parties are any less amusing or fun.
There has always been and will always be something rebellious about youth. Breaking the norms of previous generations can be an important part of finding ones identity. I think young people should experiment and make mistakes without being afraid of being haunted by it 20 years later.
The way the "N-word" was abused by the defence during the OJ-simpson also trial lingers...
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On February 03 2019 08:11 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2019 04:01 farvacola wrote:
I hope he resigns or is otherwise ostracized sufficiently, but goddamn, the pearl clutching on the part of conservative talking heads is off the charts lol Maybe because the far left has overused the term racist so much to smear centrists and right wingers that when one of their own is actually shown to be a racist it’s newsworthy. I mean the guys nickname during college was ‘coonman’ ffs.As recently as 2013 he refused to shake hands with a black candidate for Lt governor in a tv debate.Guy is a racist, needs to go.
Didn't see you saying "needs to go" whenever Steve King went off the rails.
Why's that? I mean, it is kinda funny to see you quote tweets almost verbatim to make "a point" or something, but it seems you've missed that 9 out of 10 "smeared" people indeed are racists.
Like Steve King, who btw didn't go off the rails 20 years ago. Or, Duncan Hunter, for that matter.
You see, the reason why this is a big deal is, as you almost guessed, is that this time it is indeed not a republican being a racist. That's not news. That by itself should tell you something.
I know it won't. But it should.
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On February 03 2019 10:45 Slydie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2019 09:56 Womwomwom wrote:On February 03 2019 08:29 Slydie wrote:
I think this relentless focus on incidents of the past is distracting far too much from actual politics. You can be a very good governor even with having had some very comprimising photoes taken of you at some point.
The context of the picture is very important too. During their studies, my sisters went to some "unappropriate themed" parties and "S" parties where people dressed as Suicide bombers. I don't think everything should be taken so seriously! This isn’t some dude being naked and flexing on the internet. This is some dude that is either in blackface or wearing a KKK hood. Democrats want him gone for obvious reasons, mainly because this is racist as heck no matter how you cut it. I’ve always had very poor impressions of people who take part in intentionally inappropriate costume parties. Is there a serious need for someone to come dressed up as Chairman Mao, Stalin or Hitler? Why would anyone find it funny to take the effort to scrounge up the articles of clothing to pull off that cosplay? It’s not like the million other costume themed parties are any less amusing or fun. There has always been and will always be something rebellious about youth. Breaking the norms of previous generations can be an important part of finding ones identity. I think young people should experiment and make mistakes without being afraid of being haunted by it 20 years later. The way the "N-word" was abused by the defence during the OJ-simpson also trial lingers...
There's being rebellious and there's being an idiot. If part of experimenting means you're trying to find your identity by choosing to wear Nazi armbands or dress up as racist stereotypes, I don't want any part with you. There's no real conscious thought behind choosing to dress up as a racist stereotype beyond "I'm a huge douchebag who thinks everything is OK if its a joke". That's the reason why Beto being in a punk rock band doesn't bother anyone while dressing up as a Nazi tanks most people's political careers. It takes an immense lapse of judgement as well as a tolerance of racist behaviour to think offensive costume parties are totally A-OK.
As much as OJ Simpson was 100% guilty and shouldn't be let off, the Fuhrman tapes absolutely did create reasonable doubt. They were a clear sign that Fuhrman, the man who found the bloody glove, couldn't be trusted as he just committed clear perjury (and not of the "that was 20 years ago, I forgot about this" variety) and the LAPD had a culture of police brutality, intimidation and evidence planting. The fact that Fuhrman was pretty damn racist and made references to the LAPD fucking with black people isn't the fault of the defense, that's the damn fault of Fuhrman and the LAPD.
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On February 03 2019 18:00 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2019 10:45 Slydie wrote:On February 03 2019 09:56 Womwomwom wrote:On February 03 2019 08:29 Slydie wrote:
I think this relentless focus on incidents of the past is distracting far too much from actual politics. You can be a very good governor even with having had some very comprimising photoes taken of you at some point.
The context of the picture is very important too. During their studies, my sisters went to some "unappropriate themed" parties and "S" parties where people dressed as Suicide bombers. I don't think everything should be taken so seriously! This isn’t some dude being naked and flexing on the internet. This is some dude that is either in blackface or wearing a KKK hood. Democrats want him gone for obvious reasons, mainly because this is racist as heck no matter how you cut it. I’ve always had very poor impressions of people who take part in intentionally inappropriate costume parties. Is there a serious need for someone to come dressed up as Chairman Mao, Stalin or Hitler? Why would anyone find it funny to take the effort to scrounge up the articles of clothing to pull off that cosplay? It’s not like the million other costume themed parties are any less amusing or fun. There has always been and will always be something rebellious about youth. Breaking the norms of previous generations can be an important part of finding ones identity. I think young people should experiment and make mistakes without being afraid of being haunted by it 20 years later. The way the "N-word" was abused by the defence during the OJ-simpson also trial lingers... There's being rebellious and there's being an idiot. If part of experimenting means you're trying to find your identity by choosing to wear Nazi armbands or dress up as racist stereotypes, I don't want any part with you. There's no real conscious thought behind choosing to dress up as a racist stereotype beyond "I'm a huge douchebag who thinks everything is OK if its a joke". That's the reason why Beto being in a punk rock band doesn't bother anyone while dressing up as a Nazi tanks most people's political careers. It takes an immense lapse of judgement as well as a tolerance of racist behaviour to think offensive costume parties are totally A-OK. As much as OJ Simpson was 100% guilty and shouldn't be let off, the Fuhrman tapes absolutely did create reasonable doubt. They were a clear sign that Fuhrman, the man who found the bloody glove, couldn't be trusted as he just committed clear perjury (and not of the "that was 20 years ago, I forgot about this" variety) and the LAPD had a culture of police brutality, intimidation and evidence planting. The fact that Fuhrman was pretty damn racist and made references to the LAPD fucking with black people isn't the fault of the defense, that's the damn fault of Fuhrman and the LAPD.
It obviously depends on the context and the intent, but I don't think dressing up as a Nazi, a Klansman or something else offensive is inherently bad. But if there's other evidence showing you admire these racists for what they did, then that is obviously just more evidence that you're a flaming racist. Whereas if you are otherwise clearly on the record as an anti-racist, then finding a photo of a carnival party where you were dressed as a Gestapo officer wouldn't suddenly make you a neo-nazi.
In this case it seems there is plenty of surrounding evidence that the guy is pretty damned racist, and dressing up in racist manner for a costume party is simply a very visual icing on the cake.
In other words, he isn't racist because he dressed up as a Klansman. He dressed up as a Klansman because he's a racist. There's an important distinction.
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On February 03 2019 09:56 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2019 08:29 Slydie wrote:
I think this relentless focus on incidents of the past is distracting far too much from actual politics. You can be a very good governor even with having had some very comprimising photoes taken of you at some point.
The context of the picture is very important too. During their studies, my sisters went to some "unappropriate themed" parties and "S" parties where people dressed as Suicide bombers. I don't think everything should be taken so seriously! I’ve always had very poor impressions of people who take part in intentionally inappropriate costume parties. Is there a serious need for someone to come dressed up as Chairman Mao, Stalin or Hitler? Why would anyone find it funny to take the effort to scrounge up the articles of clothing to pull off that cosplay? It’s not like the million other costume themed parties are any less amusing or fun.
Inappropriate? I don't know about your US bullshittery, but here you do it to ridicule, satirize or whatever those figures, not as some kind of power fantasy or to display your convictions. Either that, or my night as a hawaiian female dancer was some sort of weird trip.
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On February 03 2019 22:13 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2019 09:56 Womwomwom wrote:On February 03 2019 08:29 Slydie wrote:
I think this relentless focus on incidents of the past is distracting far too much from actual politics. You can be a very good governor even with having had some very comprimising photoes taken of you at some point.
The context of the picture is very important too. During their studies, my sisters went to some "unappropriate themed" parties and "S" parties where people dressed as Suicide bombers. I don't think everything should be taken so seriously! I’ve always had very poor impressions of people who take part in intentionally inappropriate costume parties. Is there a serious need for someone to come dressed up as Chairman Mao, Stalin or Hitler? Why would anyone find it funny to take the effort to scrounge up the articles of clothing to pull off that cosplay? It’s not like the million other costume themed parties are any less amusing or fun. Inappropriate? I don't know about your US bullshittery, but here you do it to ridicule, satirize or whatever those figures, not as some kind of power fantasy or to display your convictions. Either that, or my night as a hawaiian female dancer was some sort of weird trip.
A public figure or politician isn't the same as a citizen. Or shouldn't be. If one of ours was caught doing the same thing they'd be pilloried as well, though not necessarily forced out of politics (most likely publically forced to apologise and then get buried in the backbenches).
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On February 03 2019 18:00 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2019 10:45 Slydie wrote:On February 03 2019 09:56 Womwomwom wrote:On February 03 2019 08:29 Slydie wrote:
I think this relentless focus on incidents of the past is distracting far too much from actual politics. You can be a very good governor even with having had some very comprimising photoes taken of you at some point.
The context of the picture is very important too. During their studies, my sisters went to some "unappropriate themed" parties and "S" parties where people dressed as Suicide bombers. I don't think everything should be taken so seriously! This isn’t some dude being naked and flexing on the internet. This is some dude that is either in blackface or wearing a KKK hood. Democrats want him gone for obvious reasons, mainly because this is racist as heck no matter how you cut it. I’ve always had very poor impressions of people who take part in intentionally inappropriate costume parties. Is there a serious need for someone to come dressed up as Chairman Mao, Stalin or Hitler? Why would anyone find it funny to take the effort to scrounge up the articles of clothing to pull off that cosplay? It’s not like the million other costume themed parties are any less amusing or fun. There has always been and will always be something rebellious about youth. Breaking the norms of previous generations can be an important part of finding ones identity. I think young people should experiment and make mistakes without being afraid of being haunted by it 20 years later. The way the "N-word" was abused by the defence during the OJ-simpson also trial lingers... There's being rebellious and there's being an idiot. If part of experimenting means you're trying to find your identity by choosing to wear Nazi armbands or dress up as racist stereotypes, I don't want any part with you. There's no real conscious thought behind choosing to dress up as a racist stereotype beyond "I'm a huge douchebag who thinks everything is OK if its a joke". That's the reason why Beto being in a punk rock band doesn't bother anyone while dressing up as a Nazi tanks most people's political careers. It takes an immense lapse of judgement as well as a tolerance of racist behaviour to think offensive costume parties are totally A-OK.
Has it ever struck you that this kind of respect for racist expressions actually gives MORE power to racists? If wearing a white hood or black scarf makes people piss their pants, there is not even a point in doing anything dangerous that can put you in jail. The "N-word" scare in the US is the same. You can effectively ban anyone using the word from any social setting, but it will do absolutely nothing to combat racism, but rather focus on how powerful racism is. A single word is enough! You need stories like the Kaepernick campaign to see where your country really stands on the matter, even though I would have preferred him to not play the race card and rather protest against police violence in general.
The students of a Norwegian city made a balancing act of a Quisling (Nazi traitor) comedy scetch that somehow avoided being offensive while taking a piss on the nazis. I am sure you could take some very compromising pictures of the actors, but I assure you it would not destroy any careers in Norway!
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On February 04 2019 00:06 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2019 22:13 Godwrath wrote:On February 03 2019 09:56 Womwomwom wrote:On February 03 2019 08:29 Slydie wrote:
I think this relentless focus on incidents of the past is distracting far too much from actual politics. You can be a very good governor even with having had some very comprimising photoes taken of you at some point.
The context of the picture is very important too. During their studies, my sisters went to some "unappropriate themed" parties and "S" parties where people dressed as Suicide bombers. I don't think everything should be taken so seriously! I’ve always had very poor impressions of people who take part in intentionally inappropriate costume parties. Is there a serious need for someone to come dressed up as Chairman Mao, Stalin or Hitler? Why would anyone find it funny to take the effort to scrounge up the articles of clothing to pull off that cosplay? It’s not like the million other costume themed parties are any less amusing or fun. Inappropriate? I don't know about your US bullshittery, but here you do it to ridicule, satirize or whatever those figures, not as some kind of power fantasy or to display your convictions. Either that, or my night as a hawaiian female dancer was some sort of weird trip. A public figure or politician isn't the same as a citizen. Or shouldn't be. If one of ours was caught doing the same thing they'd be pilloried as well, though not necessarily forced out of politics (most likely publically forced to apologise and then get buried in the backbenches).
Presumably he doesn't do it anymore. This was a while ago, when he was in med school. It's not as if he was dressed as a Klansman at a party last week.
It's more like that story about Cameron fucking a pig.
E: and just to be clear. I suspect the guy is a racist dickhead, but see my post about the incident a few posts up.
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On February 04 2019 03:43 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2019 00:06 iamthedave wrote:On February 03 2019 22:13 Godwrath wrote:On February 03 2019 09:56 Womwomwom wrote:On February 03 2019 08:29 Slydie wrote:
I think this relentless focus on incidents of the past is distracting far too much from actual politics. You can be a very good governor even with having had some very comprimising photoes taken of you at some point.
The context of the picture is very important too. During their studies, my sisters went to some "unappropriate themed" parties and "S" parties where people dressed as Suicide bombers. I don't think everything should be taken so seriously! I’ve always had very poor impressions of people who take part in intentionally inappropriate costume parties. Is there a serious need for someone to come dressed up as Chairman Mao, Stalin or Hitler? Why would anyone find it funny to take the effort to scrounge up the articles of clothing to pull off that cosplay? It’s not like the million other costume themed parties are any less amusing or fun. Inappropriate? I don't know about your US bullshittery, but here you do it to ridicule, satirize or whatever those figures, not as some kind of power fantasy or to display your convictions. Either that, or my night as a hawaiian female dancer was some sort of weird trip. A public figure or politician isn't the same as a citizen. Or shouldn't be. If one of ours was caught doing the same thing they'd be pilloried as well, though not necessarily forced out of politics (most likely publically forced to apologise and then get buried in the backbenches). Presumably he doesn't do it anymore. This was a while ago, when he was in med school. It's not as if he was dressed as a Klansman at a party last week. It's more like that story about Cameron fucking a pig. E: and just to be clear. I suspect the guy is a racist dickhead, but see my post about the incident a few posts up.
Pig fucking isn't quite the same hot-button public-awareness issue as racism, though. It's a weird unconfirmed story from his university days, and the public is well aware that the toffs have weird initiation rites in those exclusive boys educational institutions.
I guarantee you if the story had been 'David Cameron dressed up as a Klansman' he'd have been mutilated in the media, instead of everyone just having a giggle at his expense.
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On February 04 2019 03:05 Slydie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2019 18:00 Womwomwom wrote:On February 03 2019 10:45 Slydie wrote:On February 03 2019 09:56 Womwomwom wrote:On February 03 2019 08:29 Slydie wrote:
I think this relentless focus on incidents of the past is distracting far too much from actual politics. You can be a very good governor even with having had some very comprimising photoes taken of you at some point.
The context of the picture is very important too. During their studies, my sisters went to some "unappropriate themed" parties and "S" parties where people dressed as Suicide bombers. I don't think everything should be taken so seriously! This isn’t some dude being naked and flexing on the internet. This is some dude that is either in blackface or wearing a KKK hood. Democrats want him gone for obvious reasons, mainly because this is racist as heck no matter how you cut it. I’ve always had very poor impressions of people who take part in intentionally inappropriate costume parties. Is there a serious need for someone to come dressed up as Chairman Mao, Stalin or Hitler? Why would anyone find it funny to take the effort to scrounge up the articles of clothing to pull off that cosplay? It’s not like the million other costume themed parties are any less amusing or fun. There has always been and will always be something rebellious about youth. Breaking the norms of previous generations can be an important part of finding ones identity. I think young people should experiment and make mistakes without being afraid of being haunted by it 20 years later. The way the "N-word" was abused by the defence during the OJ-simpson also trial lingers... There's being rebellious and there's being an idiot. If part of experimenting means you're trying to find your identity by choosing to wear Nazi armbands or dress up as racist stereotypes, I don't want any part with you. There's no real conscious thought behind choosing to dress up as a racist stereotype beyond "I'm a huge douchebag who thinks everything is OK if its a joke". That's the reason why Beto being in a punk rock band doesn't bother anyone while dressing up as a Nazi tanks most people's political careers. It takes an immense lapse of judgement as well as a tolerance of racist behaviour to think offensive costume parties are totally A-OK. Has it ever struck you that this kind of respect for racist expressions actually gives MORE power to racists? If wearing a white hood or black scarf makes people piss their pants, there is not even a point in doing anything dangerous that can put you in jail. The "N-word" scare in the US is the same. You can effectively ban anyone using the word from any social setting, but it will do absolutely nothing to combat racism, but rather focus on how powerful racism is. A single word is enough! You need stories like the Kaepernick campaign to see where your country really stands on the matter, even though I would have preferred him to not play the race card and rather protest against police violence in general. The students of a Norwegian city made a balancing act of a Quisling (Nazi traitor) comedy scetch that somehow avoided being offensive while taking a piss on the nazis. I am sure you could take some very compromising pictures of the actors, but I assure you it would not destroy any careers in Norway!
We're not talking about putting people who are racist into jail. We're talking about taking a stand and making the public reaction enough to punish those who choose be intentionally condone or handwave away racism. If we're going to handwave away a man wearing a KKK hood, a symbol of a group known for lynching black people, or blackface, a huge part of minstrel shows that had white people intentionally pretend to be dim-witted and lazy black people, then we're not in a very good society.
Kaepernick's campaign used the "race card" because police brutality is for the most part a fundamental part of the minority experience in America. To scream "all lives matter" would be ignoring that the victims of police brutality are overwhelmingly not white. You cannot separate race from this situation, white people aren't shot up while trying to get a wallet out from their pants.
I think you're just having trouble understanding what Northam did. There is a huge difference being being rebellious and being a (likely racist) idiot. There are huge fundamental differences between Christoph Waltz acting as Hans Landa, Mel Brooks writing The Producers and a group of students running around in KKK hoods as part of a stupid costume party.
The fundamental difference being the motive, the judgement being made by the individual and one's tolerance for intolerance. A bunch of students putting together a politically charged dark comedy play that is clearly anti-Nazi is clearly not the same as Ralph Northam dressing in a KKK hood or blackface post civil rights movement.
On February 03 2019 22:13 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2019 09:56 Womwomwom wrote:On February 03 2019 08:29 Slydie wrote:
I think this relentless focus on incidents of the past is distracting far too much from actual politics. You can be a very good governor even with having had some very comprimising photoes taken of you at some point.
The context of the picture is very important too. During their studies, my sisters went to some "unappropriate themed" parties and "S" parties where people dressed as Suicide bombers. I don't think everything should be taken so seriously! I’ve always had very poor impressions of people who take part in intentionally inappropriate costume parties. Is there a serious need for someone to come dressed up as Chairman Mao, Stalin or Hitler? Why would anyone find it funny to take the effort to scrounge up the articles of clothing to pull off that cosplay? It’s not like the million other costume themed parties are any less amusing or fun. Inappropriate? I don't know about your US bullshittery, but here you do it to ridicule, satirize or whatever those figures, not as some kind of power fantasy or to display your convictions. Either that, or my night as a hawaiian female dancer was some sort of weird trip.
I don't see how anyone is ridiculing or satirizing anything coming to a party dressed in a KKK hood, Nazi uniform or blackface. What statement are you really making when you dress up as a KKK member or in blackface really?
These costume parties most definitely do highlight one's convictions. It might not be a conscious effort but it still tells everyone a lot about you. Northam participating in a party with blackface or a KKK hood in the post civil rights era most definitely says a lot about his racial beliefs in the 1980s. Either was a huge racist or that he was very tolerant of racist imagery. There's really no two ways about it.
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Man, we having this discussion again. Using the N-word all the time isn’t going to change history or stop racists from using it to insult black people. Nor is is going to change the fact that those racists have more power than blacks in the US, and have for all of history. We cannot collective will 200 years of history out of existence just so black face costumes can be acceptable as satire.
Do people not get that racist wear black face costumes and think it is hilarious that people get so upset about them? Do people want to be wearing the same costumes as legit racist?
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Someone leaked Trump's schedule for the last 3 months to Axios. Of the 502 hours, 297 are ' executive time', and he basically never has anything scheduled before 11.
What the schedules show: Trump, an early riser, usually spends the first 5 hours of the day in Executive Time. Each day's schedule places Trump in "Location: Oval Office" from 8 to 11 a.m. But Trump, who often wakes before 6 a.m., is never in the Oval during those hours, according to six sources with direct knowledge.
Instead, he spends his mornings in the residence, watching TV, reading the papers, and responding to what he sees and reads by phoning aides, members of Congress, friends, administration officials and informal advisers.
I really like the SHS response too
Responding to Axios' reporting, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders emailed this statement: "President Trump has a different leadership style than his predecessors and the results speak for themselves."
"While he spends much of his average day in scheduled meetings, events, and calls, there is time to allow for a more creative environment that has helped make him the most productive President in modern history."
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Responding to Axios' reporting, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders emailed this statement: "President Trump has a different leadership style than his predecessors and the results speak for themselves."
Well, that's factually true, for a change.
"While he spends much of his average day in scheduled meetings, events, and calls, there is time to allow for a more creative environment that has helped make him the most productive President in modern history."
Ah, back to the usual then. Here's one thing i don't understand, somebody enlighten me. Is this a constructed message by Trump himself, or are people really so deluded that they call Trump the "most productive President in modern history"?
I mean, i don't expect much of SHS (nothing, indeed), but come on.
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On February 04 2019 07:49 Plansix wrote:
Man, we having this discussion again. Using the N-word all the time isn’t going to change history or stop racists from using it to insult black people. Nor is is going to change the fact that those racists have more power than blacks in the US, and have for all of history. We cannot collective will 200 years of history out of existence just so black face costumes can be acceptable as satire.
Do people not get that racist wear black face costumes and think it is hilarious that people get so upset about them? Do people want to be wearing the same costumes as legit racist?
I don't understand how you can talk about the N word and people using it with more power than "blacks" in the US, yet some of the richest and most powerful people in America are black and use it with pride (rappers, athletes, etc). Is the word bad, or not?
I'm not saying black face is acceptable--it clearly isn't. There's just a massive double standard going on here.
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On February 04 2019 12:11 mierin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2019 07:49 Plansix wrote:
Man, we having this discussion again. Using the N-word all the time isn’t going to change history or stop racists from using it to insult black people. Nor is is going to change the fact that those racists have more power than blacks in the US, and have for all of history. We cannot collective will 200 years of history out of existence just so black face costumes can be acceptable as satire.
Do people not get that racist wear black face costumes and think it is hilarious that people get so upset about them? Do people want to be wearing the same costumes as legit racist? I don't understand how you can talk about the N word and people using it with more power than "blacks" in the US, yet some of the richest and most powerful people in America are black and use it with pride (rappers, athletes, etc). Is the word bad, or not? I'm not saying black face is acceptable--it clearly isn't. There's just a massive double standard going on here.
The oppressed group can use the word that’s degrades them as much as they want, however that want. The m-word is bad, don’t use it. This isn’t complicated.
This isn’t a double standard, it is just reality. We use different language around different people. I don’t drop f-bombs in front of my wife’s family. That isn’t a double standard, I just know they don’t like it.
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On February 04 2019 12:11 mierin wrote:
Is the word bad, or not?
Is this even a serious question? Words are communication, and dependant on usage and context. It's both bad, and not.
I'm not saying black face is acceptable--it clearly isn't. There's just a massive double standard going on here.
What's the double standard? I hope you're not just using the term to mean "some people can use the word and I can't".
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On February 04 2019 12:25 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2019 12:11 mierin wrote:On February 04 2019 07:49 Plansix wrote:
Man, we having this discussion again. Using the N-word all the time isn’t going to change history or stop racists from using it to insult black people. Nor is is going to change the fact that those racists have more power than blacks in the US, and have for all of history. We cannot collective will 200 years of history out of existence just so black face costumes can be acceptable as satire.
Do people not get that racist wear black face costumes and think it is hilarious that people get so upset about them? Do people want to be wearing the same costumes as legit racist? I don't understand how you can talk about the N word and people using it with more power than "blacks" in the US, yet some of the richest and most powerful people in America are black and use it with pride (rappers, athletes, etc). Is the word bad, or not? I'm not saying black face is acceptable--it clearly isn't. There's just a massive double standard going on here. The oppressed group can use the word that’s degrades them as much as they want, however that want. The m-word is bad, don’t use it. This isn’t complicated. This isn’t a double standard, it is just reality. We use different language around different people. I don’t drop f-bombs in front of my wife’s family. That isn’t a double standard, I just know they don’t like it.
This isn't X, it's just reality is a very slippery slope type of argument. Is your wife's family fundamentally flawed for not accepting your use of the f-bomb? Are you a terrible person for using the "f-bomb" when not around your wife's family?
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On February 04 2019 12:43 WolfintheSheep wrote:Is this even a serious question? Words are communication, and dependant on usage and context. It's both bad, and not. Show nested quote +I'm not saying black face is acceptable--it clearly isn't. There's just a massive double standard going on here. What's the double standard? I hope you're not just using the term to mean "some people can use the word and I can't".
I don't want to use that word. Is there another word someone could share with me that is encouraged for one group to use, but not another? That's what I'm getting at.
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On February 04 2019 12:44 mierin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2019 12:25 Plansix wrote:On February 04 2019 12:11 mierin wrote:On February 04 2019 07:49 Plansix wrote:
Man, we having this discussion again. Using the N-word all the time isn’t going to change history or stop racists from using it to insult black people. Nor is is going to change the fact that those racists have more power than blacks in the US, and have for all of history. We cannot collective will 200 years of history out of existence just so black face costumes can be acceptable as satire.
Do people not get that racist wear black face costumes and think it is hilarious that people get so upset about them? Do people want to be wearing the same costumes as legit racist? I don't understand how you can talk about the N word and people using it with more power than "blacks" in the US, yet some of the richest and most powerful people in America are black and use it with pride (rappers, athletes, etc). Is the word bad, or not? I'm not saying black face is acceptable--it clearly isn't. There's just a massive double standard going on here. The oppressed group can use the word that’s degrades them as much as they want, however that want. The m-word is bad, don’t use it. This isn’t complicated. This isn’t a double standard, it is just reality. We use different language around different people. I don’t drop f-bombs in front of my wife’s family. That isn’t a double standard, I just know they don’t like it. This isn't X, it's just reality is a very slippery slope type of argument. Is your wife's family fundamentally flawed for not accepting your use of the f-bomb? Are you a terrible person for using the "f-bomb" when not around your wife's family?
The slippery slope is a fallacy. The rest of those questions are rhetorical.
You know why you can’t use the n-word but black folks can. It is bizarre this dynamic would bother you. Do you have some need to call black folks the n-word?
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