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Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-01 17:49:52
February 01 2019 17:47 GMT
#21721
I have a nightshift, so I won't be able to follow up on this discussion. Sorry for this.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
February 01 2019 17:48 GMT
#21722
There is a rather illuminating Trump interview from the NYT yesterday. It's a lot to cover, but for things I consider fairly eye-catching and not a repeated point we've heard before:

He thinks Harris had "the best opening so far"
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Watching the emerging Democratic field, Mr. Trump said the opposition party has “really drifted far left,” and he derided Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts as damaged while expressing admiration for the campaign kickoff of Senator Kamala Harris of California, who drew thousands of supporters.

“I would say the best opening so far would be Kamala Harris,” he said, pronouncing it “Kameela.” “I would say in terms of the opening act, I would say, would be her.” He added, “A better crowd — better crowd, better enthusiasm.”


The intelligence chiefs who contradicted him said to Trump they were misunderstood by the media (even though they spoke publicly and were quoted directly?)
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On another point of contention, the president noted that he summoned his intelligence chiefs, including Dan Coats, the national intelligence director, to the White House on Thursday because he had heard they had contradicted his foreign policy during testimony this week to Congress. Mr. Coats and the others told lawmakers that North Korea was unlikely to give up its nuclear arsenal, that Iran has not restarted work to build one and that the Islamic State was not defeated, all assessments that clash with the president’s worldview.

But Mr. Trump said the intelligence chiefs told him their presentation was misinterpreted. “They said, ‘Sir, our testimony was totally mischaracterized,’” Mr. Trump said. “I said, ‘What are you talking about?’ And when you read their testimony and you read their statements, it was mischaracterized by the media.” Even though he had assailed the chiefs earlier in the week, he said, “I’m happy with Dan Coats.”


Rosenstein told him he isn't a target of the investigation. (The amount of legal baggage and semantics games you can play with the word "target" is insane. Trump isn't aware of the SDNY investigation)
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“Rod told me I’m not a target of the investigation,” he said at one point, but then later suggested he had not talked with him directly. “The lawyers ask him. They say, ‘He’s not a target of the investigation.’” Asked if that also covered the separate investigation by federal prosecutors in New York, he said, “I don’t know about that.”

Neither Mr. Rosenstein nor Mr. Mueller has said whether Mr. Trump is a target, and the president could not recall when Mr. Rosenstein would have assured him. Mr. Mueller has been known to explore whether the president’s actions amounted to obstruction of justice. But since Justice Department policy bars indicting a sitting president, it is unclear whether the term “target” would apply.


I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 01 2019 18:33 GMT
#21723
On February 02 2019 02:26 Mohdoo wrote:
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On February 02 2019 02:22 farvacola wrote:
I wanna see Booker directly address his state’s relationship with big pharma. Without that, I’m just as skeptical of him as Beto relative to energy.


Yeah, that's fair. I suppose I am not even thinking about big pharma as an issue because any dem who sides with big pharma in 2020 may as well not even run. He has a choice between the two, and if he choose big pharma, there's no reason to even discuss him. Bernie and other progressives will blast him all over Reddit until he drops out.

He does have an easy out that a lot of those companies are in his home state and he was accepting money from “local companies”. It isn't a good excuse, but it is one I will tolerate. He dropped them a little ago, if I remember correctly. But he should address it, if only to show people he is aware that it is a problem for a lot of voters.

Plus the recent law suits make it so much easier to dunk on them without much in the way of consequences.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 01 2019 18:37 GMT
#21724
On a less serious note, all of these are very good.

I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 01 2019 18:49 GMT
#21725
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IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
February 01 2019 18:52 GMT
#21726
On February 02 2019 03:49 JimmiC wrote:
I think tongue and cheek battles, and friendly rivalries during the primary will serve the party better in the federal election than the blood bath that primaries have turned into in the recent past.


Tounge and cheek battles only help those in the lead sadly. Attack ads work, and as long as they work people are going to use them. It is a sad part of who we are as people
Something witty
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18828 Posts
February 01 2019 18:55 GMT
#21727
Ehh, regardless of the specific form it takes, I think a crowded primary serves Dems well. It gives candidates repeated opportunities to differentiate themselves while giving the public a sense for how much bigger the left tent is then the right.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
February 01 2019 19:02 GMT
#21728
On February 02 2019 03:55 farvacola wrote:
Ehh, regardless of the specific form it takes, I think a crowded primary serves Dems well. It gives candidates repeated opportunities to differentiate themselves while giving the public a sense for how much bigger the left tent is then the right.


aslong as they handle the debates better than republicans did. I don't want a primetime and jr debate
Something witty
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-01 19:04:27
February 01 2019 19:02 GMT
#21729
It should also keep the primary from getting to nasty. A lot of folks are going to be out of the running pretty early on too. But those first debates are going to be silly big.

On February 02 2019 04:02 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2019 03:55 farvacola wrote:
Ehh, regardless of the specific form it takes, I think a crowded primary serves Dems well. It gives candidates repeated opportunities to differentiate themselves while giving the public a sense for how much bigger the left tent is then the right.


aslong as they handle the debates better than republicans did. I don't want a primetime and jr debate


They are going to have everyone in the debates if possible. If not, they will split it up into do days and randomly select who will be in what debate. I would not be surprised if they do teh random selection live on Youtube with a bingo hopper given how transparent the DNC is trying to be this time around.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18828 Posts
February 01 2019 19:04 GMT
#21730
On February 02 2019 04:02 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2019 03:55 farvacola wrote:
Ehh, regardless of the specific form it takes, I think a crowded primary serves Dems well. It gives candidates repeated opportunities to differentiate themselves while giving the public a sense for how much bigger the left tent is then the right.


aslong as they handle the debates better than republicans did. I don't want a primetime and jr debate

Agreed.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
February 01 2019 19:07 GMT
#21731
On February 02 2019 04:02 Plansix wrote:
It should also keep the primary from getting to nasty. A lot of folks are going to be out of the running pretty early on too. But those first debates are going to be silly big.

Show nested quote +
On February 02 2019 04:02 IyMoon wrote:
On February 02 2019 03:55 farvacola wrote:
Ehh, regardless of the specific form it takes, I think a crowded primary serves Dems well. It gives candidates repeated opportunities to differentiate themselves while giving the public a sense for how much bigger the left tent is then the right.


aslong as they handle the debates better than republicans did. I don't want a primetime and jr debate


They are going to have everyone in the debates if possible. If not, they will split it up into do days and randomly select who will be in what debate. I would not be surprised if they do teh random selection live on Youtube with a bingo hopper given how transparent the DNC is trying to be this time around.


I would 100% be down for this. Extra hype for the debate. Someone email the DNC
Something witty
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35150 Posts
February 01 2019 19:15 GMT
#21732
I dunno, I feel like the channels that will be holding the debates should do a draft of candidates.
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
February 01 2019 19:27 GMT
#21733
I read a good take somewhere that the Democratic donor base can realistically only support 2-3 serious Presidential primary runs. Post Iowa, there will be a big shakeout as candidates realize how much money they actually have to raise to keep the staff it takes to run a national campaign.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 01 2019 19:31 GMT
#21734
On February 02 2019 04:15 Gahlo wrote:
I dunno, I feel like the channels that will be holding the debates should do a draft of candidates.

Why? I don’t see much difference between them doing it and the DNC doing it. And at the end of the day, the DNC is the one setting up these debates and picking the format.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 01 2019 19:45 GMT
#21735
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35150 Posts
February 01 2019 19:55 GMT
#21736
On February 02 2019 04:31 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2019 04:15 Gahlo wrote:
I dunno, I feel like the channels that will be holding the debates should do a draft of candidates.

Why? I don’t see much difference between them doing it and the DNC doing it. And at the end of the day, the DNC is the one setting up these debates and picking the format.

Entirely sarcasm.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4333 Posts
February 01 2019 23:50 GMT
#21737
So they found a yearbook photo of the Virginia Governor (D) in blackface & KKK robes.All over the news.Can’t see him surviving this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Ryzel
Profile Joined December 2012
United States529 Posts
February 01 2019 23:55 GMT
#21738
On February 02 2019 02:47 Ghostcom wrote:
I have a nightshift, so I won't be able to follow up on this discussion. Sorry for this.


FWIW if you ever respond at your convenience I’d be interested in hearing your take.
Hakuna Matata B*tches
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
February 01 2019 23:55 GMT
#21739
On February 02 2019 08:50 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
So they found a yearbook photo of the Virginia Governor (D) in blackface & KKK robes.All over the news.Can’t see him surviving this.


Maybe he'll just have to run as a republican and win the primary.
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12192 Posts
February 02 2019 00:25 GMT
#21740
I'm amazed that these folks are even running in the first place.

Come on, did you really think this wouldn't come out at some point?
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