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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
On January 08 2019 09:23 KwarK wrote: How can they be losing on Fox, a network that exists purely to promote their policies. Chris Wallace is a FAINO (Fox Anchor In Name Only). He's broken from the propaganda line many times. | ||
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Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
On January 08 2019 09:23 KwarK wrote: How can they be losing on Fox, a network that exists purely to promote their policies. You have the dog and the tail confused. FOX pushes the policies. Trump follows those policies. This is FOX disciplining Trump. + Show Spoiler + He puts @FoxNews in the tweet so you know who is telling him what to say. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 08 2019 11:41 On_Slaught wrote: I hope they get someone other than Pelosi and Schumer to talk. Someone more charismatic and less divisive maybe. Also, the imagery of Trump whining next to border patrol agents not getting paid wont play well I imagine. Fly in Beto please. Dude just oozes charisma. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
If the government shuts down, public servants don't get paid. That should absolutely include politicians. It's easy to threaten "months and years" of shutdown if your own pocket gets lined nicely. I'd bet shutdowns either won't happen in the first place, or won't last long if politicians pay for it as well. Something something 2nd amendment people, you know what to do, or whatever Drumpf said. | ||
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Kyadytim
United States886 Posts
On January 08 2019 15:26 m4ini wrote: Here'd be a great idea. If the government shuts down, public servants don't get paid. That should absolutely include politicians. It's easy to threaten "months and years" of shutdown if your own pocket gets lined nicely. I'd bet shutdowns either won't happen in the first place, or won't last long if politicians pay for it as well. Something something 2nd amendment people, you know what to do, or whatever Drumpf said. I don't think that's a good idea. It doesn't change the situation for quite a few congresspeople who are already wealthy, but makes the negotiations a lot harder for the ones who have financial situations more in line with the average American. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 08 2019 15:26 m4ini wrote: Here'd be a great idea. If the government shuts down, public servants don't get paid. That should absolutely include politicians. It's easy to threaten "months and years" of shutdown if your own pocket gets lined nicely. I'd bet shutdowns either won't happen in the first place, or won't last long if politicians pay for it as well. Something something 2nd amendment people, you know what to do, or whatever Drumpf said. I would support a full financial freeze of all assets owned by the entirety of congress/senate/prez when government shuts down. This is a failure of government and we just let it happen. This isn't acceptable and people keep pretending its just some guys being rowdy. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
On January 08 2019 15:31 Kyadytim wrote: I don't think that's a good idea. It doesn't change the situation for quite a few congresspeople who are already wealthy, but makes the negotiations a lot harder for the ones who have financial situations more in line with the average American. Google says the salary for Senate/Congress is 174,000. That includes zero average americans. Household income is a third of that :/. Unless were talking about someone else? | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On January 08 2019 15:31 Kyadytim wrote: I don't think that's a good idea. It doesn't change the situation for quite a few congresspeople who are already wealthy, but makes the negotiations a lot harder for the ones who have financial situations more in line with the average American. Freeze all assets. They're servants to the country. Not to mention that judging by the incomes that i read about, there's really nothing "in line with average Americans". The only way to get these people going is if you touch their | ||
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Simberto
Germany11951 Posts
On January 08 2019 17:26 BlueBird. wrote: Google says the salary for Senate/Congress is 174,000. That includes zero average americans. Household income is a third of that :/. Unless were talking about someone else? He probably meant the difference between a congress person "of the people", who gets elected and is dependent on that salary, in comparison to someone who is already insanely wealthy when he gets elected, and doesn't really care that much about the congress income, and thus can hold basically indefinitely without it. Since a shutdown is apparently something that americans do, this would mean that you can no longer elect people who are not already wealthy, because that would mean that you lose shutdowns by default. I don't think a democracy should only elect wealthy people. I also don't think a democracy should stop paying its employees every time there is some disagreement about what government should do. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On January 08 2019 19:31 m4ini wrote: Freeze all assets. They're servants to the country. Not to mention that judging by the incomes that i read about, there's really nothing "in line with average Americans". The only way to get these people going is if you touch their So the poorer party instantly loses every shutdown and the one with better funding can simply starve them out and get 100% of whatever they want whenever they want? Not sure you've thought this one through. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
They should 100% be affected by the shutdown, and they should do so in solidarity to other government workers who aren't being paid. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On January 08 2019 20:15 Sbrubbles wrote: While it's nice in theory to have a system that doesn't penalize the "poor" US representative, I'm curious if one of those actually exists. They should 100% be affected by the shutdown, and they should do so in solidarity to other government workers who aren't being paid. The problem is most of the US Congress has private donors. This is (probably) the biggest problem with the US system. The amount they get paid by the government is a pittance, most of their earnings come from lobbyists and the like, who they usually go on to directly work for when they're done. Attempting to 'put them all in the same boat' will just instantly crush anyone who isn't corrupt, because they won't be able to afford it and will have to capitulate or be bankrupted. Thus allowing the monied members of congress to deliberately cause a shutdown and wait it out with support from their donors until the other side buckles due to having no money. Attempting this in the current climate is the fastest way to corrupt the US system even more than it already is. | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8278 Posts
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22519 Posts
Failing to pass major legislation causes a governmental resignation and snap elections. | ||
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