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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8169 Posts
January 06 2019 09:50 GMT
#20421
The saddest thing is that the wall has become purely symbolic, since it’s established a “useful” wall would cost an absolute fortune and so we are basically talking of a relatively inneficient fence that mostly exists already.

At that point it’s just a billions dollars sign saying “i have a bigger penis than liberals and we hate mexicans.”
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Neneu
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway492 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-06 10:06:45
January 06 2019 10:04 GMT
#20422
There are several ways of creating/bringing dangerous objects in the secure area of an airport. You for example can mold an epoxy knife from what you buy at the TaxFree shops and there are ways to bring fluids way above 100ml that the security are not allowed to inspect. The "paper" they stroke your hand with to check if you have been in contact with "bomb material", is not even remotely accurate.

The security is also terrible at recognizing knives. Not long ago I were unknowingly traveling with a leatherman in my backpack, going through 3 securities without being stopped. I did not discover the knife before I were in SF, traveling all the way from Norway and doing a 1 day stop in Iceland.

The security we have now is to catch stupid terrorists, act as a deterrent to other stupid terrorists, give passangers a sense of safety, give trust in that the government is doing something to increase our safety and increase spending at the shops behind the security.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
January 06 2019 13:46 GMT
#20423
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-06 19:04:39
January 06 2019 19:01 GMT
#20424
On January 06 2019 22:46 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2019 16:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:
A lot of people talking about Trump trying to keep the government shutdown for as long as possible until something bad actually happens, then call a national emergency. A Reichstag Fire you may say. Especially with his talks lately that he can call a national emergency to fund his wall... lol... at this point it’s getting ridiculous. A lot of the trump supporters I know have been surprisingly quiet as of late. I wonder why.


I feel like Trump is getting walled in by his own position.


Trumps campaign rhetoric on the wall both ensured that he would never get it through Congress and that he would look very stupid if he did not get the wall. What's funny is that his supporters still think it might happen. They should really be going with the "serious but not literal" interpretation here.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
January 06 2019 21:36 GMT
#20425
You don't understand you will never stop drugs unless you have a see through iron slatted wall-fence. It will stop 100% of cartel built drug submarines trying to cross the desert.
Neosteel Enthusiast
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
January 07 2019 00:53 GMT
#20426
On January 07 2019 06:36 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
You don't understand you will never stop drugs unless you have a see through iron slatted wall-fence. It will stop 100% of cartel built drug submarines trying to cross the desert.


It works as a symbol because people don't understand that drug cartels are actually really sophisticated and can move their product around in ways more complex than by foot.

I swear, sometimes I think your politicians believe drug rings are all like Crazy 8 from Breaking Bad.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
January 07 2019 01:42 GMT
#20427
On January 07 2019 09:53 iamthedave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2019 06:36 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
You don't understand you will never stop drugs unless you have a see through iron slatted wall-fence. It will stop 100% of cartel built drug submarines trying to cross the desert.


It works as a symbol because people don't understand that drug cartels are actually really sophisticated and can move their product around in ways more complex than by foot.

I swear, sometimes I think your politicians believe drug rings are all like Crazy 8 from Breaking Bad.


Half of America thought Donald was a successful billionaire with a non-bankrupt real estate business thanks to The Apprentice.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
January 07 2019 13:08 GMT
#20428
Politicians act that way, because the electorate respond to their measures.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 07 2019 14:16 GMT
#20429
Having worked in landlord tenant law for years, this is very bad and will lead to the poor and elderly being evicted. Because of the way these programs are set up, the landlord will have a tough time getting information from the housing authority that is handling the federal assistance. The tenant will have to do everything and keep up with the housing authority after the shutdown ends. Needless to say, the people with these leases are often the least capable of navigating something like this alone.

I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22519 Posts
January 07 2019 14:26 GMT
#20430
hm, the HUD. Isn't that Carson's department?
Wonder how they 'forgot' one of their program was expiring.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
January 07 2019 15:19 GMT
#20431
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
January 07 2019 15:28 GMT
#20432
On January 08 2019 00:19 JimmiC wrote:
I had really thought the shutdown was all about grandstanding and some quick compromise was going to come with both sides declaring victory.

still holding out hope that brexit will be like this
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22519 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-07 15:47:36
January 07 2019 15:45 GMT
#20433
On January 08 2019 00:19 JimmiC wrote:
I had really thought the shutdown was all about grandstanding and some quick compromise was going to come with both sides declaring victory. Now trump is threatening to declare a national emergency and the Dems are more dug in than ever. Zero might be right it might last until tax returns or longer.

Anyone have idea what a government shutdown costs?
Step 1 of the Trump presidency is the acknowledge the normal rules no longer apply.
There really is no telling how long this is going to go on for and how its going to end.

For now all the Dems need to do is send a clean CR to the senate every once in a while and wait for them to make the first move.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44242 Posts
January 07 2019 15:48 GMT
#20434
On January 08 2019 00:19 JimmiC wrote:
I had really thought the shutdown was all about grandstanding and some quick compromise was going to come with both sides declaring victory. Now trump is threatening to declare a national emergency and the Dems are more dug in than ever. Zero might be right it might last until tax returns or longer.

Anyone have idea what a government shutdown costs?

http://time.com/money/5494004/government-shutdown-costs-trump-border-wall/

TLDR: a lot. A few weeks of the value of the labour of gov employees who will get paid but not work. Plus a broader economic loss due to the gov being a major participant in the economy.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22519 Posts
January 07 2019 15:50 GMT
#20435
On January 08 2019 00:28 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2019 00:19 JimmiC wrote:
I had really thought the shutdown was all about grandstanding and some quick compromise was going to come with both sides declaring victory.

still holding out hope that brexit will be like this
The problem with Brexit is that some people want a hard Brexit and by voting down a deal they force it to happen while still being able to hide behind 'we could have gotten a better deal'.

Not sure if the same reasoning can be applied to the government shutdown.
Some things the Republicans don't like will be hit by it but so will everything else, and there is no hiding behind a better deal.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44242 Posts
January 07 2019 15:54 GMT
#20436
On January 08 2019 00:50 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2019 00:28 ahswtini wrote:
On January 08 2019 00:19 JimmiC wrote:
I had really thought the shutdown was all about grandstanding and some quick compromise was going to come with both sides declaring victory.

still holding out hope that brexit will be like this
The problem with Brexit is that some people want a hard Brexit and by voting down a deal they force it to happen while still being able to hide behind 'we could have gotten a better deal'.

Not sure if the same reasoning can be applied to the government shutdown.
Some things the Republicans don't like will be hit by it but so will everything else, and there is no hiding behind a better deal.

The problem with Brexit is that there isn’t actually a government in the UK at the moment that has the power to govern. The EU has spent two years negotiating with people who have no power who are being propped up by an opposition who are somehow even worse.

Hopefully the serious politicians in the EU will realize that the political structures in the UK have just ceased to function and just pretend none of this ever happened.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-07 17:30:41
January 07 2019 17:29 GMT
#20437
On January 07 2019 23:16 Plansix wrote:
Having worked in landlord tenant law for years, this is very bad and will lead to the poor and elderly being evicted. Because of the way these programs are set up, the landlord will have a tough time getting information from the housing authority that is handling the federal assistance. The tenant will have to do everything and keep up with the housing authority after the shutdown ends. Needless to say, the people with these leases are often the least capable of navigating something like this alone.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1082275667834691585


It's just going to get worse and worse. First is these people getting kicked out of their homes in the middle of winter. The scariest to me is this:

Administration officials are also looking to see what is legally permissible as they determine how to grapple with the 38 million Americans who could lose access to food assistance next month because the Agriculture Department is also caught up in the shutdown. As soon as this week, the agency could begin notifying states that it might not be able to provide the expected levels of financial assistance for food programs.


38 million might not be able to feed themselves. More than 10% of the US population.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-07 17:34:39
January 07 2019 17:33 GMT
#20438
Not excited for that. People get worked up real fast when they can't feed their kids. Like, lighting shit on fire worked up. And this isn't one of those things where there is no one to blame. There is a very clear line of who to blame and why the situation exists.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
January 07 2019 17:36 GMT
#20439
On January 08 2019 00:54 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2019 00:50 Gorsameth wrote:
On January 08 2019 00:28 ahswtini wrote:
On January 08 2019 00:19 JimmiC wrote:
I had really thought the shutdown was all about grandstanding and some quick compromise was going to come with both sides declaring victory.

still holding out hope that brexit will be like this
The problem with Brexit is that some people want a hard Brexit and by voting down a deal they force it to happen while still being able to hide behind 'we could have gotten a better deal'.

Not sure if the same reasoning can be applied to the government shutdown.
Some things the Republicans don't like will be hit by it but so will everything else, and there is no hiding behind a better deal.

The problem with Brexit is that there isn’t actually a government in the UK at the moment that has the power to govern. The EU has spent two years negotiating with people who have no power who are being propped up by an opposition who are somehow even worse.

Hopefully the serious politicians in the EU will realize that the political structures in the UK have just ceased to function and just pretend none of this ever happened.

The problem of the government is that both parties have both remain and leave voters. The proportions are not split exactly 50-50, but it is enough that neither parties want to have a postion where they will alienate the otherside, no matter which course of action they would want to openly take. Despite being the most polarising issue, neither major party are polarised in the same way that USA would be for instance. Similar issue, different circumstance. But further discussion would be better suited elsewhere I imagine.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8278 Posts
January 07 2019 17:45 GMT
#20440
On January 08 2019 02:33 Plansix wrote:
Not excited for that. People get worked up real fast when they can't feed their kids. Like, lighting shit on fire worked up. And this isn't one of those things where there is no one to blame. There is a very clear line of who to blame and why the situation exists.


Very clear! It's the obstructionists Democrats who have been controlling both houses for years! Or at least that's what you'd think if your news intake was Fox News and Trump's Twitter feed.
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