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Gorsameth
Netherlands22297 Posts
How many Republicans do you think voted for repealing the ACA because they needed to for their voters while resting safely in the knowledge that people like McCain would stop it anyway? Talk about it to your constituents in town halls, talk to other politicians, interviews, op-ed's, convince the party to talk about it ect. Congress already has enough problems with appearing to do nothing, it doesn't need more pointless activities. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On January 05 2019 22:46 pmh wrote: the wall will be trumps legacy,it will be there long after he has been president. There is no way the democrats will bring it down at a later time once it is in place. Maybe thats why democrats are so fierce about it. Why no go fund me or kickstarter page for the wall yet? Trump should make one to see how much support the wall really has. Could be decent argument to convince the democrats and also safe some of the costs. Funders then get exclusive rights to visit the wall up close and make some pictures to take home. Is all this mess over a 5 billion wall really worth it for the democrats? There already is one. | ||
micronesia
United States24770 Posts
On January 05 2019 22:46 pmh wrote: the wall will be trumps legacy,it will be there long after he has been president. There is no way the democrats will bring it down at a later time once it is in place. Maybe thats why democrats are so fierce about it. Why no go fund me or kickstarter page for the wall yet? Trump should make one to see how much support the wall really has. Could be decent argument to convince the democrats and also safe some of the costs. Funders then get exclusive rights to visit the wall up close and make some pictures to take home. Is all this mess over a 5 billion wall really worth it for the democrats? This discusses your question about a kickstarter or go fund me: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/20/crowdfunding-border-wall/2373628002/ And I think history has shown when the democrats give in to unreasonable republican leadership demands (e.g., sudden 100% non-negotiable demand for wall funding after flip-flopping days before the deadline) the end result is always empowerment of republicans and marginalization of democrats. If the democrats actually think the wall is the wrong move and the president clearly owns the shutdown, then it's up to the president to sign something to re-open the government. The democrats just need to be supportive in providing clean CRs and alternate spending packages that are reasonable to both sides, wall excluded. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22297 Posts
On January 05 2019 22:46 pmh wrote: Hate to break it to you but there is already a go fund me for the wall.the wall will be trumps legacy,it will be there long after he has been president. There is no way the democrats will bring it down at a later time once it is in place. Maybe thats why democrats are so fierce about it. Why no go fund me or kickstarter page for the wall yet? Trump should make one to see how much support the wall really has. Could be decent argument to convince the democrats and also safe some of the costs. Funders then get exclusive rights to visit the wall up close and make some pictures to take home. Is all this mess over a 5 billion wall really worth it for the democrats? https://www.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45730 Posts
On January 05 2019 22:46 pmh wrote: the wall will be trumps legacy,it will be there long after he has been president. There is no way the democrats will bring it down at a later time once it is in place. Maybe thats why democrats are so fierce about it. Why no go fund me or kickstarter page for the wall yet? Trump should make one to see how much support the wall really has. Could be decent argument to convince the democrats and also safe some of the costs. Funders then get exclusive rights to visit the wall up close and make some pictures to take home. Is all this mess over a 5 billion wall really worth it for the democrats? There was one that accrued millions of dollars by Trump supporters, so in about 100 years they'll have reached their goal... which is completely useless anyway, because a few private citizens can't just give Congress a bunch of money and assume it'll do them a favor. There's, like, a process n stuff. | ||
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micronesia
United States24770 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On January 05 2019 22:46 pmh wrote: the wall will be trumps legacy,it will be there long after he has been president. There is no way the democrats will bring it down at a later time once it is in place. Maybe thats why democrats are so fierce about it. Why no go fund me or kickstarter page for the wall yet? Trump should make one to see how much support the wall really has. Could be decent argument to convince the democrats and also safe some of the costs. Funders then get exclusive rights to visit the wall up close and make some pictures to take home. Is all this mess over a 5 billion wall really worth it for the democrats? Yes because Trump's "wall" (its a fence at this point) is equivalent to a 5 billion statue of Leopold II of Belgium in a heroic pose. An actual functional wall will cost far more than 5 billion and its effectiveness is still extremely questionable. Its only purpose is to serve as a symbol of Trump, Miller and all other far right beliefs. There's no reason for Democrats to budge on this "wall", it is not only a huge waste of money but also seen as a symbol of intolerance and hate by many. | ||
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Kyadytim
United States886 Posts
On January 05 2019 21:52 Excludos wrote: A few posts above yours...It's not really tho. It's way too strict for sure, but you're not going to be able to bring ak47s on board an airplane any more and capture it (bringing in bomb materials big enough to blow one up is definitively possible, but you'd have to spread it among like 15 people, which would make the plan a lot more likely to be caught up front). The TSA is stupid in a lot of ways, but compared to what we had before (nothing), it's definitively more effective than just placebo. On January 05 2019 21:04 SenorChang wrote: The TSA is a complete joke. When secretly tested, they failed abysmally. https://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-fails-tests-latest-undercover-operation-us-airports/story?id=51022188 Also, we had airport security before the TSA. It was just a lot less intrusive. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14110 Posts
On January 06 2019 03:44 JimmiC wrote: TSA should get trained by Disney, they put through millions with smiles on there faces and super fast. Disney volunteers are cult level dedicated to the job though. I don't think you can inspire the same devotion to airport security. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 06 2019 05:04 Gahlo wrote: Supposedly the staff only sections behind the scenes are a level of debauchery only matched by the Olympic Village. Most places with extreme dedication end up like that, from what it seems. Stressful situations where everyone has to work together is a great way to end up banging someone. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On January 06 2019 05:56 Mohdoo wrote: Most places with extreme dedication end up like that, from what it seems. Stressful situations where everyone has to work together is a great way to end up banging someone. Plus, one that either directly selects for physical attractiveness, or where fucking EVERYONE has a godly body. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8254 Posts
On January 06 2019 03:08 Kyadytim wrote: A few posts above yours... Also, we had airport security before the TSA. It was just a lot less intrusive. Firstly the article doesn't state how they failed, which is a crucial point. Did it fail catching 19 terrorists and their guns from boarding 4 different airplanes (Which is literally what happened at 9/11 (EDIT: No it wasn't. Sorry for being a dumbass)), or did it fail certain procedures which let someone bring a 120ml tube of toothpaste on board instead of just 100ml? You have to look at the scope here. I've heard stories of someone bringing a bullet with them across 4 countries before being stopped, and my friend somehow managed to accidentally smuggle a machete with him home from the army. You know what stories I haven't heard about? Someone accidentally smuggling an mp5 on board. I personally know of a guy who brought a handgun with him on a flight pre 9/11 because it was a hassle to check it in properly, this would not have happen today. Is the TSA foolproof? Oh god no. Could it be a lot better? Heck yeah. Could you trick it if you spent months preparing for it and really wanted to go through with it? Possibly. But while you are spending time planning, the police gets more time to catch you, rumours might start flying, any number of things might go wrong, and in the end you have no idea if you're going to be successful. And all this for the price of standing in line for a few minutes, possible take your belt and jacket off, walk through a metal detector, and get randomly selected for cavity search if you're skin colour is too dark or your beard is too long. I'll take it. | ||
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micronesia
United States24770 Posts
I agree that context is important when reporting on the % effectiveness of the TSA's efforts. | ||
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Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
Yes. Security theater is not theater. The scanners make the easiest and deadliest attacks harder (gun on plane, team with knives on plane, bomb on plane). The theater never catches anyone because the attackers choose the time and place of the attack, and they wisely choose not to try to get a gun past the scanners even though a gun on a plane would be the obvious way to cause a huge amount of damage. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8254 Posts
On January 06 2019 09:14 micronesia wrote: The 9/11 hijackers did not bring guns on to the airplanes, despite your surprising use of the word 'literally.' I agree that context is important when reporting on the % effectiveness of the TSA's efforts. My apologies, you're right. I was researching the topic through various articles I got from Google and somehow mistook "weapons" for guns, not "boxcutters", which is what they actually had. This could be smuggled through TSA even today (tho that said I doubt 19 people would manage to do that before any alarms were raised). tl;dr: Don't research topics while sleep deprived. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On January 06 2019 09:52 Excludos wrote: My apologies, you're right. I was researching the topic through various articles I got from Google and somehow mistook "weapons" for guns, not "boxcutters", which is what they actually had. This could be smuggled through TSA even today (tho that said I doubt 19 people would manage to do that before any alarms were raised). tl;dr: Don't research topics while sleep deprived. Alarms where and when? "Weapons" are confiscated by the TSA every day at every single airport, and you don't see flights being locked down over a few sharp objects. If you have scissors in your bag, they just take the scissors and let you go through. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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