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SinO[Ob]
France898 Posts
Searching for a guilty figure isn't right thing to do. Because our heart and brain are all blur. Dont watch media too much, sadly this kind of media we have today are just talking about the same thing hours after hours. And we just going deeper in sadness/rage. Understanding a situation like this one, can't be solve by emotions, neither with fast conclusions. | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On November 14 2015 21:23 shabby wrote: Doesn't get much worse than this. Cowardly acts from cowardly people, disguised by religion. Syria and Iraq will turn into a crater - first bomb a russian passenger jet (if it was them), and then attack Paris.. That means entire NATO and Russia can now theoretically be involved. It feels like its just a matter of time before it escalates, so I hope that sooner, rather than later, a joint coalition enters all the IS strongholds and destroys their infrastructure and takes away their income. Bombing won't do it alone, need ground troops. And in the process, anyone not hiding, would be killed. This is not a rambo movie... you will be sad with what reality has to offer. ISIS has been getting bombed by dozens of different countries.. and figthing against dozens of other different grousp, you won't be able to do anything relevant against them that is not already being done. | ||
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On November 14 2015 22:01 SinO[Ob] wrote: If you want an advice, don't analyse those situation before at least one week has passed. Emotions should be kept to people who lost familly and friends. Just support them. Searching for a guilty figure isn't right thing to do. Because our heart and brain are all blur. Dont watch media too much, sadly this kind of media we have today are just talking about the same thing hours after hours. And we just going deeper in sadness/rage. Understanding a situation like this one, can't be solve by emotions, neither with fast conclusions. Yeah, watching the media too much makes you paranoïd by repeating horror minute after minute for days... I noticed this during the charlie attack. Just listen to music, read a good book, drink some fine alcool (no whisky tho) and smoke a cigar. | ||
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rotta
5634 Posts
On November 14 2015 22:04 neptunusfisk wrote: https://twitter.com/RFCdan/status/665302723592519680 Who is that? | ||
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shabby
Norway6402 Posts
On November 14 2015 22:02 ImFromPortugal wrote: This is not a rambo movie... you will be sad with what reality has to offer. ISIS has been getting bombed by dozens of different countries.. and figthing against dozens of other different grousp, you won't be able to do anything relevant against them that is not already being done. I disagree, fighting rebel groups and being bombed is very different from a coordinated ground invasion to reclaim cities, infrastructure and oil. NATO alone has millions of active soldiers, it might just too difficult to do anything without the help of neighbouring countries. If what you say is true, conquerors can never be overthrown. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
Someone with a lot of common sense, unlike many people | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On November 14 2015 22:04 neptunusfisk wrote: https://twitter.com/RFCdan/status/665302723592519680 Nobody is blaming refugees directly. I personally don't, for example, even though i heavily criticise (now the important part) how they get handled. Yes, there are many poor fuckers coming over from syria, which deserve to be helped. But that doesn't mean one should turn a blind eye on the very real possibility that you invite opportunists as well. It's simply a retarded argument to state "leave the poor refugees alone". Nobody wants them to freeze to death or whatever - but i as a german am absolutely horrified by how these refugees get registered. Because half of them don't. German officials don't even know how many refugees we took, there's checkpoints where a (not syrian!) translator decides if you come from syria or not, etc. I had that argument earlier with someone as well, as much as it sucks for legitimate refugees that have to wait because of that - you can't just disable every legal apparatus, checkups etc just because there's so many refugees at the moment. In the end, and that's something i will get alot of flak for again from people like Nyxisto: the german government first and foremost is bound to decide the best for germany, not for the refugees. Letting everyone in willy nilly without identity checks is NOT in the interest of anyone in germany or europe. Again: that doesn't mean we shouldn't take refugees. That means we shouldn't take them unchecked. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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Gevna
France2332 Posts
On November 14 2015 22:17 OtherWorld wrote: Someone with a lot of common sense, unlike many people I don't think anyone accused the refugees for what happened. Rather questioned if amongst those heavy movements, some fundamentalists may have gone through the borders. | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On November 14 2015 22:15 shabby wrote: I disagree, fighting rebel groups and being bombed is very different from a coordinated ground invasion to reclaim cities, infrastructure and oil. NATO alone has millions of active soldiers, it might just too difficult to do anything without the help of neighbouring countries. If what you say is true, conquerors can never be overthrown. No one is willing to spend that many resources to attack isis.. i mean, there are already a number of groups on the ground figthing against them so... imagine adding nato to the mix.. it would be a recipe for disaster. | ||
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Vivax
22407 Posts
On November 14 2015 22:17 OtherWorld wrote: Someone with a lot of common sense, unlike many people Actually you'll never know who's running from Assad and who from the IS, and they are opposing forces. Point being: With the international focus moving to Syria, you don't want to fight your fight there if you are an IS sympathisant , much better to just pretend you're afraid of the IS and run to wherever they shout "refugees welcome" and then start over where they expect it the least. | ||
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fromtenedos
Turkey20 Posts
On November 14 2015 21:26 HeatEXTEND wrote: Anyone remember France jumping at the first opportunity to start unloading on Libya ? No ? Oh well. French saved people of Libya (including islamists) being massacered by Qaddafi. Get your facts straight | ||
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fromtenedos
Turkey20 Posts
On November 14 2015 22:20 nojok wrote: Chances are high that most of those terrorists were French. I think the problem lies more with some of our people feeling shitty because of rampant racism and a society being tough for them than far East troubles. So if people act racistsly towards you it is OK to murder them on streets. User was warned for this post | ||
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rotta
5634 Posts
On November 14 2015 22:17 OtherWorld wrote: Someone with a lot of common sense, unlike many people I've seen dozens of similar Tweets, something special about this one? | ||
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HomeWorld
Romania903 Posts
On November 14 2015 22:02 ImFromPortugal wrote: This is not a rambo movie... you will be sad with what reality has to offer. ISIS has been getting bombed by dozens of different countries.. and figthing against dozens of other different grousp, you won't be able to do anything relevant against them that is not already being done. My condolences to victims families. I'm so afraid of the possible asymmetrical response to this asymmetric kind of warfare (modern terrorism) if terrorist attacks keeps on happening. Nothing good will transpire and more lives will be lost (on both sides). These horrific attacks gives and enforces a bad reputation to the well established and hard working muslim communities through out Europe and rest of the world. Let's hope Europe and the rest of civilized world won't go mad, it'll be another blood stain (never to be forgotten) added to Earth civilization history. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On November 14 2015 22:29 rotta wrote: I've seen dozens of similar Tweets, something special about this one? Honestly I have no idea who the guy is (a quick google search doesn't give anything meaningful), so I can't answer your question. I was just pointing out that he was right. On November 14 2015 22:25 Gevna wrote: I don't think anyone accused the refugees for what happened. Rather questioned if amongst those heavy movements, some fundamentalists may have gone through the borders. You've seen or heard no one hold a reasoning that basically goes like "Terrorists are arabs and refugees are arabs, so refugees are terrorist and we should close our borders and shoot them on sight" ? Damn, you live in a nice part of France. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On November 14 2015 22:29 fromtenedos wrote: So if people act racistsly towards you it is OK to murder them on streets. He never said that. On November 14 2015 22:34 OtherWorld wrote: Honestly I have no idea who the guy is (a quick google search doesn't give anything meaningful), so I can't answer your question. You've seen or heard no one hold a reasoning that basically goes like "Terrorists are arabs and refugees are arabs, so refugees are terrorist and we should close our borders and shoot them on sight" ? Damn, you live in a nice part of France. And who made that reasonning aside from the little fairies in your head ?  The idea that opening borders indiscriminately to refugees is unsafe is not necessarily racist toward arabs. Maybe a good discussion could arise if we could discuss normally without caricaturing others. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On November 14 2015 22:26 Vivax wrote: Actually you'll never know who's running from Assad and who from the IS, and they are opposing forces. Point being: With the international focus moving to Syria, you don't want to fight your fight there if you are an IS sympathisant , much better to just pretend you're afraid of the IS and run to wherever they shout "refugees welcome" and then start over where they expect it the least. You don't want to fight in Syria if you're an IS sympathisant? You don't want to defend the soil of your State? Don't you think IS mainly needs fighters at home to establish a territory in order to build an actual State? | ||
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Strela
Netherlands1896 Posts
On November 14 2015 22:04 neptunusfisk wrote: https://twitter.com/RFCdan/status/665302723592519680 Is he saying that its the perfect alibi? | ||
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