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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On November 14 2015 22:38 WhiteDog wrote: He never said that. And who made that reasonning aside from the little fairies in your head ?  The idea that opening borders indiscriminately to refugees is unsafe is not necessarily racist toward arabs. Maybe a good discussion could arise if we could discuss normally without caricaturing others. If people around the age of 20-25, white, sons and daughters of the catholic bourgeoisie of the French countryside, are little fairies in my head, then I ask you to intern me in a psychatric hospital right now. I'm in no way saying that we should not have a debate about refugees and border. It'd be a really good debate to have. I am however saying that there are people directly blaming the refugees for terrorism, which is plain stupid. | ||
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HomeWorld
Romania903 Posts
On November 14 2015 22:43 FFW_Rude wrote: One of bataclan terrorist was french and known for radicalisation... AGAIN If possible, any proven references to support your post? | ||
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Gevna
France2332 Posts
On November 14 2015 22:34 OtherWorld wrote: Honestly I have no idea who the guy is (a quick google search doesn't give anything meaningful), so I can't answer your question. I was just pointing out that he was right. You've seen or heard no one hold a reasoning that basically goes like "Terrorists are arabs and refugees are arabs, so refugees are terrorist and we should close our borders and shoot them on sight" ? Damn, you live in a nice part of France. I've heard a lot of stupid things, been relatively close to some latent racist people, but no even them can't think so damn simplistic. The thought process you're describing belongs to extremist people, so another very small minority. Climate is shitty in France, politicians played with fire way too long, yet don't start exaggerating everything. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9299 Posts
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Vivax
22324 Posts
On November 14 2015 22:39 OtherWorld wrote: You don't want to fight in Syria if you're an IS sympathisant? You don't want to defend the soil of your State? Don't you think IS mainly needs fighters at home to establish a territory in order to build an actual State? I know that in their shoes I'd prefer looking for softer targets rather than being attacked by a coalition of Assad, Nato and Russia. | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
On November 14 2015 22:48 Ghanburighan wrote: Nationalities actually obfuscate the issue that people can travel to Syria and back and get radicalized. There exists a major crime network producing fake Syrian passports. https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/665525574039941120 All people implied in such shit in France ARE french (and that is true for years). Retarded blaming on refugees are just letting their frustration out, nothing more. | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
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Grettin
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xtorn
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damoonwolf
France98 Posts
Sometime i listen some people say than french banlieu are racial ghetto. It's wrong, it's financial ghetto. You live here when you have no money. Don't care about your skin color or religion. There white french people, black people, arabian people, european people,... in. Only your money is important. France have big economic issue since sometime everyone suffer of this. People who live in banlieu more than other because they are the porest and banlieu is shitty place, but they're not all emigrant victim to racism. they are also white french people in the same situation. Black christian people in don't kill inocent people in the street. So please you believe some shitty thing you can read about France. I will don't say to you to come because at this time you probably don't want but... come. Especially if you are not white, i don't thing you will suffer to racism. Racism is not the reason. We can talking about economic issue for these people, about the islamist propaganda who are well establish, specificly, in social media, youtube channel ect... I work thith teenager who have familial issue i see how this propaganda work well for someone, i actually work with 2 of them who are file like potencial jihadist. They are just 2 lost child, who find this for exist. Propaganda say to them they will have better live in ISIS or in paradise, and since they are little dummy and totaly lost they belive in this. They belive in this like some other believe they will become popstar... it's a stupid dream, but some people are here ready for keep them mind are made to them an islamic people. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On November 14 2015 22:46 HomeWorld wrote: If possible, any proven references to support your post? l'un des terroristes du #Bataclan est un français connu des services pour sa radicalisation. Identifié via empreintes. One of the bataclan terrorist is a French known from services for his radicalisattion. Identified by his prints http://www.liberation.fr/direct/ All my sources comme from this since they onlly publish verified and official informations. They come slower than on other media but don't go for rumors | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
Condolences for those who knew the victims. I hope the rest can be resolute in the face of fear. | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On November 14 2015 23:13 Acritter wrote: I really, really hope that the inevitable upsurge of right-wing sentiment in France is reasonably limited in scope. Attacks like this, while horrific, aren't as destructive as we consider them to be, and although defending against them is incredibly difficult, they aren't as much of a danger as that seems to imply. I hope this doesn't turn into massive outrage and fury against Arabs and Muslims, although it certainly will, and I really hope there's no military developments. Condolences for those who knew the victims. I hope the rest can be resolute in the face of fear. What do you think that could happen military? | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
On November 14 2015 23:21 ImFromPortugal wrote: What do you think that could happen military? In France? Close to nothing. Sending troops in Syria? I dont think so too despite what the media whore politicians are saying. And as said, it wouldn't solve the problem anyway. Regarding extreme right... I really dont know, but anyway they didnt need such help as other politicians are giving free arguments to LePen and her minions to beat them. | ||
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m4ini
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Angesichts der Anschlagsserie in Paris fürchtet der Vorsitzende der Türkischen Gemeinde in Deutschland, Gökay Sofuoglu, eine neue Welle der Islam-Feindlichkeit. "Im Moment herrscht in Deutschland wegen der Flüchtlingskrise sowieso eine sehr angespannte Situation, und rechtspopulistische Gruppen wie Pegida oder die AfD werden das für sich ausnutzen", sagte Sofuoglu der "Stuttgarter Zeitung". "Sie werden sich in ihrer Anschauung und in ihren Argumenten bestärkt fühlen und damit auch noch lauter in der Öffentlichkeit auftreten". Gleichzeitig forderte der Vorsitzende der Türkischen Gemeinde, dass sich die Muslime in Deutschland und auch die muslimischen Verbände ausdrücklich gegen die Gewalt stellen. "Es ist an der Zeit, dass klare Worte gegen den Terror des Islamischen Dschihad formuliert werden", sagte Sofuoglu. Fehl am Platz seien nun besänftigende Sätze in der Art, dass der Islam im Grunde eine Religion des Friedens ist und solche Gewaltexzesse nicht gutheißt. "Wir Muslime müssen den Terror jetzt entschieden und für jeden laut hörbar verurteilen." Translation: In the light of the terror attack series in paris, Gökay Sofuoglu - the chairman of the turkish community in germany - fears a new wave of anti-islam hostilities. "At the moment, in germany there's already a very tense situation with the refugee crisis, and right populistic parties like AfD and Pegida will politicise that." he said to the Stuttgarter Zeitung. "They will feel confirmed in their views and arguments and show themselves even louder in the public." At the same time the chairman of the turkish community, Gökay Sofuoglu, demands that muslims and muslimic societies in germany explicitly stand up against the violence. "It's time to find clear words against the terror of the islamic djihad." he said. Not correct would be calming statements now, how in general the islam is a religion of peace and doesn't condone those actions. "We muslims have to condemn the terror, loud and for everyone to see". Pretty much what was said yesterday, just the more official version. It's not good enough to be "a moderate muslim" anymore, those moderates have to start to actively show that they're as shocked, disgusted and horrified by what happened yesterday. edit: that's worded awkwardly, i meant it's not good enough to just state it. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On November 14 2015 23:21 ImFromPortugal wrote: What do you think that could happen military? I'm not sure. I don't know too much about France's military processes. I know they've intervened in foreign countries in the past 15 years, so it's a possibility, but I don't know how easy or difficult it is for them to try to send troops somewhere now. That's why I really hope nothing happens. Army movements haven't helped lately. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1151 Posts
On a military scale you compare territory, ressources and manpower. If this was "a war" IS had already lost. They are not combatants, they are criminals who simply kill people. They coul not fight a regular military unit. Those youn men, who later decide that they have no other option to gain a better live and some glory, than to kill innocent people...those people are created by our society. We don't make psychpaths but we make desperate people. If we abandon people that live in our countries because they are diffrent, or we have no gain in helping them to integrate, we create desperate stupid people that will fall for this religious shit of ISIS or Taliban or Neo-Nazi stuff.. We (EU,US...) have to stand up and DEMAND from anyone who wants to live here, that he or she has to respect basic democracy, religious freedom and human rights. It is not done by onesided tolerance ! End this shit. | ||
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