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Are you afraid to die?
I know it sounds like a redundant question because the ones who would say NO are probably like one in a million.
If you are, then how afraid? Why afraid? I mean if you die peacefully, no pain etc, why still afraid?
My personal take on this is that I am afraid to die because I am really afraid to be forgotten. Not that I need to be someone popular but more to the side of being useless in my lifetime. It would be so sad to know you lived a somewhat purposeless life before you have to die. This is why I am afraid to die - Contrary to the believe of the pain of death itself.
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Yes, pretty damn horrified, because then I wouldn't be able to play video games 
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Haven't experienced everything I want to experience in life yet.
Though when dead I'd probably not really be aware of that :p
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I think I'm more afraid of the high possibility of serious pain moments before death.
As Jack Handey once said... "I want to die quietly in my sleep like my grandfather did, not kicking and screaming like the passengers in his car"
or something like that 
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Because I have a girl I love and wish I could spend eternity with. The fact I believe when we die we just rot in the ground makes it worse knowing I'll never see her again. Thats my only fear for dieing, but I honestly never think about it.
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I'm afraid to die because I don't know what happens afterwords. Logically, since we are conscious, we have something that gives us our consciousness, whatever it may be. It can't just disappear when we die... it can break down or dissapate but it can't disappear. Thus, it must go somewhere. So something has to happen to us after we die. The fact that I don't know what it is scares me.
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Hard to say.
Right now, I'd like to say I wouldn't be afraid to die. I mean, it would finally be that peace that I'm after.
Then again, come the time where I am going to die, I might start to think...
"I wish I had more time to..."
"Oh, no, what happens now?"
"Will I go somewhere?"
"Will I still be conscious?"
"Will I get buried, then wake up?"
On January 12 2007 17:40 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
I'm afraid to die because I don't know what happens afterwords. Logically, since we are conscious, we have something that gives us our consciousness, whatever it may be. It can't just disappear when we die... it can break down or dissapate but it can't disappear. Thus, it must go somewhere. So something has to happen to us after we die. The fact that I don't know what it is scares me.
Scientifically speaking, your "consciousness" is just impulses in your brain. If it no longer receives "power" then it can't operate. Let's use an example we all understand, 'cause we're nerds.
Your computer is your brain, your operating system (Windows/Linux) is your consciousness. If your computer isn't getting any power (ie. it's not plugged into the wall) your operating system won't run.
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Because there's no way to really know what happens after death
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For me it's probably this: You know when you try to like picture what happens when you die? Trying to fathom the "nothingness" that you will experience once you no longer exist. It's really hard to imagine, but every once in a while your brain stumbles on that odd creepy feeling where you sort of understand what it'd be like to be dead. I dunno, I'm probably explaining it horribly, but I think if anyone else's thought the same thing they'll understand what I mean.
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im not very afraid of death
but i am a little afraid of what i might miss
all in all i would prefer to be alive
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thedeadhaji
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if it happens, it happens.
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On January 12 2007 17:43 thedeadhaji wrote:
when it happens, it happens.
Fixed. We're all going to die.
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I'm not afraid of the pain or circumstances, but rather the finality I feel it brings. I believe that there is nothing after this existence for me. Call me vain, but I love existing as me. Love experiencing thought, emotion, anything. Love being. Though it is inevitable and though I will not experience the nothingness myself, I fear it incredibly much.
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On January 12 2007 17:41 KOFgokuon wrote:
Because there's no way to really know what happens after death
Amen, If "Hell" exists I'm FUCKED!
*edit* grammar
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because i fear the unknown.
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can't imagine being or not being without certain people.
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Death isn't scary. I find it inspiring. It's that final moment of our life that gives meaning to all before it. It's the end of a movie, the conclusion of a story, it's what allows us to know "this is my life" (before this point our life is always changing).
Death is what makes mortality beautiful.
However, i do not want to die. As long as i can i'd love to experience all the trials, tribulations, joy, and beauty life has to offer, and when it comes to that inevitable day that defines my experiences before that point of being finished, it will only magnify it's beauty.
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Im afraid that someone i wouldnt like would get an organ i donated ><
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no but seriously, they spelled costanza wrong
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Of course.
The unknown has always frightened men. That's why religion was such a powerful social tool when man first began to arise in social groups -- it bound people together toward a common goal and warded off the shadowy figures on the edge of the fire.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
I suppose the question never comes up to me, when it comes up i get bored with it and dismiss it. But all in all I think my system on things is pretty compatible with death and such.
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afraid to not be able to play sc.
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why should i be afraid of death?
i had good food, i had fun in life, i had pretty woman, i am not lack of anything.
most important thing is i can enter heaven after death.
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On January 12 2007 17:58 Mora wrote:
Death isn't scary. I find it inspiring. It's that final moment of our life that gives meaning to all before it. It's the end of a movie, the conclusion of a story, it's what allows us to know "this is my life" (before this point our life is always changing).
Death is what makes mortality beautiful.
However, i do not want to die. As long as i can i'd love to experience all the trials, tribulations, joy, and beauty life has to offer, and when it comes to that inevitable day that defines my experiences before that point of being finished, it will only magnify it's beauty.
Although I don't always see eye to eye with you (this would be one of those cases), you're always showing yourself to be one of the more thought-out and self-explored members of this site. I'm only really replying to this though, because my fiance and I had a long talk on death recently, and her views pretty much match yours. :p
I would like you to further explain your views, if you're willing, particularly on why the ending of ones life is the magnifying point. Not as in how, because I understand that it's like the end of anything, it's closure and finality to say "this is what this was". But, why that closure has so much meaning to you, personally.
If you don't mind. Mostly wanting to compare answers and further expand my own understanding.
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On January 12 2007 17:58 Mora wrote:
Death isn't scary. I find it inspiring. It's that final moment of our life that gives meaning to all before it. It's the end of a movie, the conclusion of a story, it's what allows us to know "this is my life" (before this point our life is always changing).
Death doesn't tell us or anyone else anything more than we already knew. The conclusion of a movie reflects on the various aspects of the rest of the film, where as death is just an end. Think of it like a movie; you're getting close to the end, the hero just saved the day, then BAM! The movie just stops. No explanation, no insight into what happens next.
That's what death is.
On January 12 2007 17:58 Mora wrote:
Death is what makes mortality beautiful.
No; life is what makes mortality beautiful. Death is just a wilted flower.
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On January 12 2007 18:02 AmorVincitOmnia wrote:no but seriously, they spelled costanza wrong
ROFLLL
edit: im not really so much afraid to die...its just more liike im not ready to. havent accomplished enough shit yet. the other element of fear is that you really dont know whats on the otherside after death. is there a god? etc etc
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~AreS] I like your explanation of death as opposed to Mora's rose-colored depiction. 8)
Ah, but we all have our ways of dealing with what we fear.
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I feel the same way. I don't want to die, and be forgotten.
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I can relate to the OP's way of thinking... but it's not that I would like to be famous so that I can be remembered in the future, I just feel like I would die more happily if I could in some way leave a sign as proof of my existence. Having kids is probably the best way of doing so
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Korea (South)11579 Posts
I am afraid of death, because i have no idea wat happens after u die...
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No. Why do you ask stupid questions? People fear death because who knows what happens afterwards. It is the great mystery and I just don't care. What happens happens so bring it.
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Not really afraid to die. Its like when i was a kid i use to be afraid of a lot of things, not so much anymore. I think i came over the fear by just accepting that things do come to an end- and the end isnt necesarrily bad.
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Not really afraid death, but how it happens... there are so many painful ways to die it's not even funny (for the most part).
Even more so, I'm afraid if I won't be aware of how i die, i.e.
dying by terrorists attacking my school > dying being hit by a car while looking the other way
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United States42689 Posts
It is the prerogative of the young to be immortal. I still have a few more years of immortality left in me before death worries me in the slightest. However, the young are also in general infatuated with their ideas of self worth, the inevitability of being forgotten worries me. Because in the big scheme of things, you can't change anything. Well, anything big. You can leave a legacy which will last a few dozen years, maybe even a century or two. Some people like Jesus manage even longer. But humanity is frail and the universe is patient, you'll be forgotten.
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the people are like atoms ; they pop in and out of the existence and nobody knows why
what i don't understand is why you are afraid of the unknown? i mean if you would know u'll burn in hell it 'll make everything allright? 
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i dont want to die because there is so much that can be done during life. death is a waste and a squandering of the most expensive and rich experience in the universe.
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i have mixed feelings about death, and it depends on the humour of the day if it frightens me or not (but yes, i somehow beleive that there's more to life than be can learn through today's science - still don't have any religion or solid beleif in an afterlife).
And since i have not really anything interesting to add about the subject, i'll say what my ex is afraid of: dying and not realizing she died.
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On January 12 2007 17:58 Mora wrote:
Death isn't scary. I find it inspiring. It's that final moment of our life that gives meaning to all before it. It's the end of a movie, the conclusion of a story, it's what allows us to know "this is my life" (before this point our life is always changing).
Death is what makes mortality beautiful.
However, i do not want to die. As long as i can i'd love to experience all the trials, tribulations, joy, and beauty life has to offer, and when it comes to that inevitable day that defines my experiences before that point of being finished, it will only magnify it's beauty.
<3 Mora !
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On January 12 2007 18:36 Kwark wrote:
It is the prerogative of the young to be immortal. I still have a few more years of immortality left in me before death worries me in the slightest. However, the young are also in general infatuated with their ideas of self worth, the inevitability of being forgotten worries me. Because in the big scheme of things, you can't change anything. Well, anything big. You can leave a legacy which will last a few dozen years, maybe even a century or two. Some people like Jesus manage even longer. But humanity is frail and the universe is patient, you'll be forgotten.
ur a poet
o_o
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On January 12 2007 17:39 GoBOXERgogo wrote:
Because I have a girl I love and wish I could spend eternity with. The fact I believe when we die we just rot in the ground makes it worse knowing I'll never see her again. Thats my only fear for dieing, but I honestly never think about it.
That is ridiculous, and no one cares.
I'm not afraid to die, but I am afraid to be killed or something, just because that'd probably be a pretty scary situation.
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If we couldn't die, war would be pointless, but Hitler would still be alive. I guess you could torture people for forever though ~_~;
Death sucks, but it's necessary. It lets views on things change, and it let's society progress as we drop the dead weight (no pun intended).
I'm not afraid to die, but don't confuse that with being willing to die. There's still so much I want to do with the time I'm around. But if my time were to come, I'd have to accept that fact and be happy with what I did do. I guess I kind of think like Mora in that sense...
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i dont believe its the fear of death that makes us worry, its the instant knowing thought that everything that "is" will not "be"
we will miss everything in other words.
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We are in the third page and nobody has talked about counter-aging measures? I mean not the ones like regular exercises or healthy diet but the level of biological research on humans that we have achieved and those we can foresee coming. I believe scientists will eventually find ways to deal with natural causes of death. The only question is HOW LONG, can we live to see it?
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On January 12 2007 19:58 spammerA wrote:
We are in the third page and nobody has talked about counter-aging measures? I mean not the ones like regular exercises or healthy diet but the level of biological research on humans that we have achieved and those we can foresee coming. I believe scientists will eventually find ways to deal with natural causes of death. The only question is HOW LONG, can we live to see it?
I don't think they will, and I hope they don't.
The last thing we need is a more overpopulated planet than we already have.
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Belgium6771 Posts
On January 12 2007 19:37 PHauxE wrote:
If we couldn't die, war would be pointless, but Hitler would still be alive. I guess you could torture people for forever though ~_~;
Yeah imagine a world where hitler would still be alive
"Tonight on hitla!"
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... because I would be leaving ma loved ones.
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I'm only afraid of drowning or burning to death.
I hope I die peacefully and (relatively) painlessly.
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On January 12 2007 20:58 Gandalf wrote:
I'm only afraid of drowning or burning to death.
My only fear as well.
I plan on doing the deed myself; I think a parachuteless jump would be a great way to do it.
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On January 12 2007 21:01 ~AreS] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2007 20:58 Gandalf wrote:
I'm only afraid of drowning or burning to death. My only fear as well. I plan on doing the deed myself; I think a parachuteless jump would be a great way to do it.
That's terrifying.
Being frozen would suck pretty hard too. I hear it burns at some point, almost like you're on fire.
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On January 12 2007 20:02 ~AreS] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2007 19:58 spammerA wrote:
We are in the third page and nobody has talked about counter-aging measures? I mean not the ones like regular exercises or healthy diet but the level of biological research on humans that we have achieved and those we can foresee coming. I believe scientists will eventually find ways to deal with natural causes of death. The only question is HOW LONG, can we live to see it? I don't think they will, and I hope they don't. The last thing we need is a more overpopulated planet than we already have.
To find new planets to live, space technology will perhaps take longer to develop, for now, let's jsut rely on birth control and war.
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Hmm, I've actually given this a lot of thought and come to the conclusion that I'm not afraid of death at all. I don't mean it in the emo wah wah sense, I mean it in the logical 'shit happens' sense.
Of course I would rather not die, if only for my loved ones. It doesn't matter to me (shit, I'm dead, right?), but I know it'll leave my family with a bunch of needless grief, so for that reason I'd rather not die.
But if it became an inevitability, It wouldn't bother me. I've lived a good life up to this point and I don't think I'd change much if I were to do it again. That said, I don't fear death but I'd prefer for it to avoid me for a while if only for the sake of others.
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Death...is like God's amusement... Picture yourself at the top of the world w/a Victoria's Secret model as your wife laying right next to you and a Tiger as a pet. Picture a meteorite coming down from the heaven saying, "Hi Joe, ooh don't mind me i'll just come down on your house at 500,000 mph. Don't mind if I shred your roof. Don't mind if I lodge myself into your head. Don't mind if I kill You."
Picture me being drunk and posting something stupid.
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For everyone in the western world the question should be, am I afraid of suffering a heart attack or to die the slow death of cancer ?
I am not afraid of death itself, but i am afraid of the moment I realise that i have a disease that will kill in me in hours, days, weeks filled with pain.
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Im only afraid of death if I can't go out like a maytr. I dont want to die a broken man without serving a cause.
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On January 12 2007 21:32 itzme_petey wrote:
Im only afraid of death if I can't go out like a maytr. I dont want to die a broken man without serving a cause.
terrorist.
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On January 12 2007 21:32 itzme_petey wrote:
Im only afraid of death if I can't go out like a maytr. I dont want to die a broken man without serving a cause.
I almost enlisted because of this.
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yes. one man's terrorist is another man's patriot..
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On January 12 2007 17:40 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
I'm afraid to die because I don't know what happens afterwords. Logically, since we are conscious, we have something that gives us our consciousness, whatever it may be. It can't just disappear when we die... it can break down or dissapate but it can't disappear. Thus, it must go somewhere. So something has to happen to us after we die. The fact that I don't know what it is scares me.
This guy shares the same thoughts as I do. Also, I want to do something important in my life....haven't done it yet >.<
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On January 12 2007 21:40 itzme_petey wrote:
yes. one man's terrorist is another man's patriot..
deep, deep.
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On January 12 2007 21:57 AmorVincitOmnia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2007 21:40 itzme_petey wrote:
yes. one man's terrorist is another man's patriot.. deep, deep.
well it was just funny how you posted terrorist and then the next person posted was patriotic
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I don't think I am afraid... I came to terms with it sometime ago
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On January 12 2007 22:00 itzme_petey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2007 21:57 AmorVincitOmnia wrote:On January 12 2007 21:40 itzme_petey wrote:
yes. one man's terrorist is another man's patriot.. deep, deep. well it was just funny how you posted terrorist and then the next person posted was patriotic
oh i know. i wasn't being an ass :D
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Death is something we humans created. What defines the end of our existence? The picture we present to other people, the legacy we leave behind, or the present image facading onto our peers? Surely, our physical state can be destroyed and our memory may vanish over time, but atoms cannot be destroyed, our mark in time cannot be destroyed, and the end of our phsyical state, perhaps, opens a new continuum, something the likes outside of physical existence.
But to remain on the laws of the world, where we do "die". It depends on the circumstances really. If I were to die now, probably feel super depressed and lethargic to the max. If I were to die an old man, I would see the world like my grandfather. Doing the absolute best for your loved ones and leaving all that strength behind with them.
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Kwark described how I feel perfectly. I don't mind dying I just don't want to be forgotten. Thats true death I think. You no longer exist then :/.
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On January 12 2007 22:26 QuietIdiot wrote:
Death is something we humans created.
Hahahahaha, good one.
Anyway, the only reason why I don't want to die is because I haven't accomplished half of what I want to accomplish. I'm not afraid of death, but I would far rather not die.
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People are afraid of dying because they don't know what happens when u cease your existance. I have a good friend who just said that after we die nothing happens except the rotting of your corpse; that you didn't know when u came in this world and when u die it will happen in the same way.
Although I don't believe in gods created by religion, I like to think about the theory of reincarnation. I've seen on Discovery a particular case with a child who told how he died before reincarnating in this "new self". The ones making the documentary put together the facts and concluded that it was very strange that the boy knew fantastic details about the death of his former self (things that he wouldn't have known). But on the other hand, it is known that Discovery is relying on shocking discoveries documentaries so I don't know if it's true or false. In the end the number of viewers on Discovery brings money to them . But hope still exists.
As far as i have read on this thread nobody posted a solution to death as someone mentioned in a previous posts. Maybe with my post i have brought you a little hope.
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i'm surprised no one posted a simple reason why people fear death.
if you believe in the theory of evolution, and "survival of the fittest," then it is pretty obvious to assume that this particular trait has been selected for.
death is the worst possible thing for evolution. it is equivalent to a failing grade, with no chance for a retest.
people who say they have no fear of death are either fooling themselves or delusional.
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On January 12 2007 19:33 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
I'm not afraid to die, but I am afraid to be killed or something, just because that'd probably be a pretty scary situation.
lol
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killed (kĭld) pronunciation
adj.
1. Put to death. Often used in combination: fresh-killed meat.
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Not what he meant. He doesn't like the act of being killed, but not afraid of dying.
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so you are not dying when you are being killed?
edit: grammar
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On January 12 2007 23:09 CoralReefer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2007 19:33 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
I'm not afraid to die, but I am afraid to be killed or something, just because that'd probably be a pretty scary situation. lol
Murdered man. Like in an alley, or someone comes into my house and cuts me to pieces for no reason while I'm still alive, or getting shot by someone, or stabbed by someone who gets pissed off at me while I'm out... anything like that. Being killed and dying are different things anyhow. If I die in a car accident, or I get hit by a stray bullet in a drive by and die instantly, so be it. If I have a stroke and die in my sleep, so be it. I'm not worried about dying by itself though.
I mean honestly, the more I think about it, the more your two posts become irritating. "LOZL! He's afraid of someone killing him, as implied by the following of the bold part of the sentence! I'm going to define killed! LOZL! I can't understand what I'm reading, because it clearly states that you're being put to death, meaning you aren't just dying! LOZL! I'm retarded." Seriously, please don't come back to this site.
On January 12 2007 23:38 CoralReefer wrote:
so you are not dying when you are being killed?
edit: grammar
You are not being killed by someone when you're dying, retard.
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"killed in a car accident"
"killed by a stray bullet"
"the stroke killed him in his sleep"
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On January 12 2007 23:51 CoralReefer wrote:
"killed in a car accident"
"killed by a stray bullet"
"the stroke killed him in his sleep"
Yeah, the meaning implied in my sentence is different than the meaning implied in those sentences. I mean something I can see coming, in a short amount of time that there is nothing I can do about it. For instance, someone breaks into my house and slits my throat, or stabs me in the temple, or shoots me in the face. Someone carjacks me and kills me, etc, etc. They're completely different situations.
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i believe the word you are searching for is "murdered."
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On January 12 2007 23:55 CoralReefer wrote:
i believe the word you are searching for is "murdered."
to kill (a human being) unlawfully and with premeditated malice
Funny it says to kill, isn't it? Interesting that I said, "killed by someone," isn't it? I wonder what I was talking about. And if that's the only point you have, I said that in the first response I made to you. I believe my exact words were "Murdered, man."
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On January 13 2007 00:04 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2007 23:55 CoralReefer wrote:
i believe the word you are searching for is "murdered." to kill (a human being) unlawfully and with premeditated malice Funny it says to kill, isn't it? Interesting that I said, "killed by someone," isn't it? I wonder what I was talking about. And if that's the only point you have, I said that in the first response I made to you. I believe my exact words were "Murdered, man."
On January 12 2007 19:33 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
I'm not afraid to die, but I am afraid to be killed or something, just because that'd probably be a pretty scary situation.
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On January 12 2007 19:33 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2007 17:39 GoBOXERgogo wrote:
Because I have a girl I love and wish I could spend eternity with. The fact I believe when we die we just rot in the ground makes it worse knowing I'll never see her again. Thats my only fear for dieing, but I honestly never think about it. That is ridiculous, and no one cares. I'm not afraid to die, but I am afraid to be killed or something, just because that'd probably be a pretty scary situation. Suck my dick kthx
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Washington, D.C9933 Posts
i don't want to die because i like it here too much
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Honestly, I just think that what happens after the moment of death is 100% unpredictable. Thus you can have no opinion of what death means as a change. You might say ' ' you won`t be able to experience the world that we know now ' ' but you still don't know whether that`s true or not.
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On January 13 2007 00:22 Pseudo_Utopia wrote:
Honestly, I just think that what happens after the moment of death is 100% unpredictable. Thus you can have no opinion of what death means as a change. You might say ' ' you won`t be able to experience the world that we know now ' ' but you still don't know whether that`s true or not.
Since everything that we are is created by impulses in the brain, it's safe to assume no impulse = no consciousness. Worst case scenario you end up retarded, at which point you don't give a damn.
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Not really scared of actually dying, just all that it implies.
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On January 13 2007 00:24 ~AreS] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2007 00:22 Pseudo_Utopia wrote:
Honestly, I just think that what happens after the moment of death is 100% unpredictable. Thus you can have no opinion of what death means as a change. You might say ' ' you won`t be able to experience the world that we know now ' ' but you still don't know whether that`s true or not. Since everything that we are is created by impulses in the brain, it's safe to assume no impulse = no consciousness. Worst case scenario you end up retarded, at which point you don't give a damn.
but you are not dead when you're capable of not giving a damn??
i agree with the no consciousness part though.
i'll try putting it into different words...
imo we can only understand what death is when it happens to others, since the mechanism of our understanding is taken away from us when we ourselves die.
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On January 13 2007 00:32 gLyo wrote:
Not really scared of actually dying, just all that it implies.
what do you mean by this?
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United States5262 Posts
I'd rather live like there is a God and find out there isn't than live like there isn't and find out there is.
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On January 13 2007 00:39 jkillashark wrote:
I'd rather live like there is a God and find out there isn't than live like there isn't and find out there is.
Why? Imagine going in with no expectations and ending up in heaven. Is that not great?
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haha that reminds me a quote from Homer when apocalips is near: "God loves you and he is going to kill you all!"
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Oh, and i'm not scared to death, actually i kinda wanna die, bored lately, but dunno i guess it wouldn't hurt to live until everything gets better and exciting again, it always does but it always goes bad and boring again too so meh
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I'm afraid to die because I inherited a gene that makes me that way. That gene was passed on to me because the people who did not have that gene (or at least one that created such a strong fear) died, leaving the people with the death-fearing-gene to live, reproduce, and pass on their genes.
Everyone who is trying to explain an emotion with a thinking reason completely missed the boat on this one - you don't 'feel' because you 'think a certain thought': for example, you don't feel happy when a particularly hot girl talks to you because you have some intellectual reason to, you simply have the genetic makeup that makes you feel that way. Similarly, you aren't afraid (emotion) to die because of some though or reason, you simply have the genetic makeup that makes you feel that way.
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On January 13 2007 00:39 jkillashark wrote:
I'd rather live like there is a God and find out there isn't than live like there isn't and find out there is.
Look up Pascal's Wager on Wikipedia - basically, the rebuttal is, what happens if you end up believing in and worshipping God, and it turns out that there is a God BUT the God rewards those who don't believe and punishes those who do believe?
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I'm not sure why i'm scared of death. i don't care about being forgotten, because i know eventually there will be nobody to remember.
i think that everything man creates - technology, religion, art, medicine, science - all aims in some way to either prolong life or to help forget, at least for a moment, about death. it is why we build monuments like the pyramids - perhaps we believe we immortalize ourselves in our creations, even though logic dictates this simply isn't true.
i guess i don't want to die before i can accept the inevitability of death. if i were to die right now and looked back on my life, i'd feel like the whole time it was missing something important. i'd rather not feel that way before i do die... i want to feel whole and at peace.
maybe now i'm rambling, good thread though
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On January 13 2007 01:10 bearnet2001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2007 00:39 jkillashark wrote:
I'd rather live like there is a God and find out there isn't than live like there isn't and find out there is. Look up Pascal's Wager on Wikipedia - basically, the rebuttal is, what happens if you end up believing in and worshipping God, and it turns out that there is a God BUT the God rewards those who don't believe and punishes those who do believe?
yeah, that's retarded.
Basically the whole idea of punishing seems really retarded to me.
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I honestly have no fear of death
The thing that I do fear is not bringing respect to my family, or if I died prematurely how it would effect them :X
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On January 13 2007 00:39 jkillashark wrote:
I'd rather live like there is a God and find out there isn't than live like there isn't and find out there is.
Yea well what about all the other religions, or even the different branches of Christianity. Most of you are going to go to Hell, even if one of your Gods does exist.
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On January 13 2007 01:12 nArAnjO wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2007 01:10 bearnet2001 wrote:On January 13 2007 00:39 jkillashark wrote:
I'd rather live like there is a God and find out there isn't than live like there isn't and find out there is. Look up Pascal's Wager on Wikipedia - basically, the rebuttal is, what happens if you end up believing in and worshipping God, and it turns out that there is a God BUT the God rewards those who don't believe and punishes those who do believe? yeah, that's retarded. Basically the whole idea of punishing seems really retarded to me.
Well basically Pascal's Wager is an attempt to convince a non-Christian to believe in the Christian God, based on probabilities and expected values.
Essentially it goes:
If you believe in God and God exists, you win eternal happiness.
If you believe in God and God does not exist, nothing happens.
if you don't believe in God and God exists, you get eternal torment.
If you don't believe in God and God exists, nothing happens.
And therefore it is better to 'bet' by believing in God.
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The flaw of course is that the wager assumes that either the Christian God exists or no god at all exists - it discounts the possibility of a God that rewards a lack of belief and punishes belief. Once you include that possibility it cancels out the rewards/punishment of a Christian God, and so the wager is dead - there is no point in betting by believing.
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Im not afraid of death but my brain cant imagine how i can dissapear for eternity. It's like.. being around 4ever but simply death and lost.. dunno.. I hope its like sleeping. Forever. So the eternal sleep feels like 1 sec long..
Still im just kinda afraid cause i find it so menacing..probably its just like sleeping, though.. - -v
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On January 13 2007 01:15 bearnet2001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2007 01:12 nArAnjO wrote:On January 13 2007 01:10 bearnet2001 wrote:On January 13 2007 00:39 jkillashark wrote:
I'd rather live like there is a God and find out there isn't than live like there isn't and find out there is. Look up Pascal's Wager on Wikipedia - basically, the rebuttal is, what happens if you end up believing in and worshipping God, and it turns out that there is a God BUT the God rewards those who don't believe and punishes those who do believe? yeah, that's retarded. Basically the whole idea of punishing seems really retarded to me. Well basically Pascal's Wager is an attempt to convince a non-Christian to believe in the Christian God, based on probabilities and expected values. Essentially it goes: If you believe in God and God exists, you win eternal happiness. If you believe in God and God does not exist, nothing happens. if you don't believe in God and God exists, you get eternal torment. If you don't believe in God and God exists, nothing happens. And therefore it is better to 'bet' by believing in God. --- The flaw of course is that the wager assumes that either the Christian God exists or no god at all exists - it discounts the possibility of a God that rewards a lack of belief and punishes belief. Once you include that possibility it cancels out the rewards/punishment of a Christian God, and so the wager is dead - there is no point in betting by believing.
Another flaw is that maybe, just MAYBE a God full of love as believers say (i have no clue if it's true or not, and neither does anyone but whatever) just doesn't punish, he rather forgives ._.
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On January 13 2007 00:39 jkillashark wrote:
I'd rather live like there is a God and find out there isn't than live like there isn't and find out there is.
Well said.
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On January 12 2007 17:39 GoBOXERgogo wrote:
Because I have a girl I love and wish I could spend eternity with. The fact I believe when we die we just rot in the ground makes it worse knowing I'll never see her again. Thats my only fear for dieing, but I honestly never think about it.
me too, except I do think about it, and it makes me feel empty inside:p
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ir not afraid of death, just certain ways to die
LIKE MURDER STAB IN THE FACE
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On January 13 2007 01:06 bearnet2001 wrote:
I'm afraid to die because I inherited a gene that makes me that way. That gene was passed on to me because the people who did not have that gene (or at least one that created such a strong fear) died, leaving the people with the death-fearing-gene to live, reproduce, and pass on their genes.
Everyone who is trying to explain an emotion with a thinking reason completely missed the boat on this one - you don't 'feel' because you 'think a certain thought': for example, you don't feel happy when a particularly hot girl talks to you because you have some intellectual reason to, you simply have the genetic makeup that makes you feel that way. Similarly, you aren't afraid (emotion) to die because of some though or reason, you simply have the genetic makeup that makes you feel that way.
Well said, we are all conditioned to fear death.
As far as believing in God goes, I find it so cowardly and dishonest to tell yourself God exists only for the fear of getting punished for not believing (if he does exist). I suppose older people, that are closer to death, deserve the comfort, but the rest are just unconsciously settling for what feels best and not for what is closer to the truth.
Religion brings many answers to apparently unanswerable questions and thus brings comfort. Not to say believing in God is wrong, just don't let your mind push you into believing something just because it can't handle the idea of "not knowing". If you're going to believe in God, do it for the right reasons.
I guess some may argue that as long as the questions are unanswerable, believing in something is better than not, and will lead to a more peaceful life. That may be true, it's a personal preferece if you name that to be dishonesty to yourself or not.
Is it really so hard to admit that we just don't know what happens when we die?
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All fun things come to an end.
Life is fun.
I don't wanna die.
Shit.
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Im not afraid to die
Ill live on in Apollons house
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I just can't imagine not being here, if that makes any sense.
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How easy it would be to say I don't fear dying. Warm, safe, jaded... In a cold dangerous place where the cruel reality sinks in that everything might not turn out alright, I'd be scared as hell.
Looking at it logically, death is the only certainty in our existence and fearing the inevitable does seem rather pointless. Of course fearing anything could be considered rather pointless.
Instincts and rationality aside.. Could I die this very moment perfectly at peace? No, I could not.
Because if I died now I have a feeling I'd have fucked up. Rationalizing consequences and potential guilt matters little. I don't have that certain something of a wise old chief who has some day had enough and goes on a mountain to pass away serenely. The feeling that you have to do something
to not fail the year but don't know what or if it's even possible sure sucks ^^
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I do not fear death at all.
I do believe we have a soul. I also believe we go somewhere after we die, and leave our body. To be honest I believe in reincarnation, and death is by no means the end. We all know that day has to come one day. There is no way to avoid it. So I just try to live this life as best as I can, try to have fun, try different things etc.
About being forgotten part.
99% of us will be forgotten after we die. Only the names of the ones that did something big in life are remembered. We will all be forgotten (after we die) even by our family. Why does it bother you so much? Let it go and have fun!
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I don't fear death. Probably would be if I was going to, but right now i'm not really bothered.
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On January 13 2007 06:08 infecteddna wrote:
How easy it would be to say I don't fear dying. Warm, safe, jaded... In a cold dangerous place where the cruel reality sinks in that everything might not turn out alright, I'd be scared as hell.
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That is true but you wouldn`t fear death itself, only the way of dying.
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The reason why people are afraid of dying is because they are unhappy with there current life. They feel they havent accomplished what they wanted so they want to die feeling damn i had a good life. Its with me im afraid of dying right now cause there is so much to do so much more experiences like drinking, sex, college, jobs and stuff and to die now would be so wasted.
I also fear the way i want to die. I want to die a peaceful and painless death. Nothing graphic and i dont want to die and im afraid of dying but these day im trying to do stuff so in case i do die i will die free of regret instead of waiting for a car to just hit me.
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"life's a laugh and death's a joke"
i admit i am kind of afraid to die, but the concept of life and death is not new.
and from a strictly objective point of view, it doesnt make any sense that i should care any more about my death than everyone else would. which, at the moment, doesnt include THAT many people.
edit: german joke that just fits the topic so well.
+ Show Spoiler +Wenn ich mal sterbe, möchte ich so sterben wie mein Opa. Ruhig und friedlich im Schlaf. Nicht schreiend und kreischend wie sein Beifahrer. 
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"I'd rather be shot to rags than waste away in a rocking chair" -Ambrose Bierce
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On January 13 2007 01:06 bearnet2001 wrote:
I'm afraid to die because I inherited a gene that makes me that way. That gene was passed on to me because the people who did not have that gene (or at least one that created such a strong fear) died, leaving the people with the death-fearing-gene to live, reproduce, and pass on their genes.
Everyone who is trying to explain an emotion with a thinking reason completely missed the boat on this one - you don't 'feel' because you 'think a certain thought': for example, you don't feel happy when a particularly hot girl talks to you because you have some intellectual reason to, you simply have the genetic makeup that makes you feel that way. Similarly, you aren't afraid (emotion) to die because of some though or reason, you simply have the genetic makeup that makes you feel that way.
one gene by itself couldn't be the cause of the fear of death. this is an oversimplification, although you are probably on the right track.
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On January 13 2007 01:15 bearnet2001 wrote:
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If you believe in God and God does not exist, nothing happens.
/snip
i like to think that spending countless sundays sitting in a boring church is time better spent playing bw
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On January 13 2007 06:08 infecteddna wrote:
Looking at it logically, death is the only certainty in our existence and fearing the inevitable does seem rather pointless. Of course fearing anything could be considered rather pointless.
fearing death is the same as fearing venomous snakes, fear of heights, fear of dying in boiling water, fear of being murdered, etc. etc.
how come people don't seem to understand that they are one and the same?
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The Unknown. People fear what they don't understand.
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I was almost 100% certain I was going to die last night. Fuck I was scared.
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On January 13 2007 10:30 CoralReefer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2007 06:08 infecteddna wrote:
Looking at it logically, death is the only certainty in our existence and fearing the inevitable does seem rather pointless. Of course fearing anything could be considered rather pointless.
fearing death is the same as fearing venomous snakes, fear of heights, fear of dying in boiling water, fear of being murdered, etc. etc. how come people don't seem to understand that they are one and the same?
probably because pain and death are not the same thing?
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On January 13 2007 14:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The Unknown. People fear what they don't understand.
That's not true at all.
Before i was inspired by death, i was in great fear of it. And it wasn't the not knowing what happens when i die, it was knowing exactly what happens. We cease to exist. Our conciousness disappears into oblivion; we cease to be able to think, feel, or be aware. We simply are not.
And that was much scarrier than just not knowing what happens. When a person realizes the enormity of death, the finality, the true End of life, a terrible fear, or more accurately, a dibilitating horror paralyzes them. It's fantastical and wicked and encompassing. The fear of the unknown is trivial in comparison.
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100% agreed.
I'd be less afraid of death if I thought Hell existed and that I was going there.
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On January 13 2007 02:40 mlaoxve wrote:
ir not afraid of death, just certain ways to die
LIKE MURDER STAB IN THE FACE
well said my friend, well said.
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without God... because of what happens afterwards... the nothingness... that life will go on and you are... nothing
but with God
im not afraid..
and yes.. i do believe in God (_ _)
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i lost all my fear in life
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On January 13 2007 14:32 jjun212 wrote:
without God... because of what happens afterwards... the nothingness... that life will go on and you are... nothing
but with God
im not afraid..
and yes.. i do believe in God (_ _)
Congratulaions!
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i guess i expressed myself poorly
the point i was trying to make was that the very reason we feel pain, is because we have evolved to select against injuring or killing ourselves.
i look at "fear" as being a mechanism to avoid certain situations. i think of "fear of death" as a survival mechanism, so this is why i sub categorized those other types of fear.
some examples which don't involve pain:
fear of drowning, fear of suffocation, claustrophobia... these are all situations that can kill us
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On January 13 2007 02:40 mlaoxve wrote:
ir not afraid of death, just certain ways to die
LIKE MURDER STAB IN THE FACE
i'm not afraid of any animals, i'm just afraid of bears
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I guess im scared of death because of what I might miss after me. Im sure some people already said this.
But I dont believe in heaven or hell, so in my mind when im gone thats it. I will just cease to be and the world will go on.
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On January 12 2007 18:07 MTF wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2007 17:58 Mora wrote:
Death isn't scary. I find it inspiring. It's that final moment of our life that gives meaning to all before it. It's the end of a movie, the conclusion of a story, it's what allows us to know "this is my life" (before this point our life is always changing).
Death is what makes mortality beautiful.
However, i do not want to die. As long as i can i'd love to experience all the trials, tribulations, joy, and beauty life has to offer, and when it comes to that inevitable day that defines my experiences before that point of being finished, it will only magnify it's beauty. Although I don't always see eye to eye with you (this would be one of those cases), you're always showing yourself to be one of the more thought-out and self-explored members of this site. I'm only really replying to this though, because my fiance and I had a long talk on death recently, and her views pretty much match yours. :p I would like you to further explain your views, if you're willing, particularly on why the ending of ones life is the magnifying point. Not as in how, because I understand that it's like the end of anything, it's closure and finality to say "this is what this was". But, why that closure has so much meaning to you, personally. If you don't mind. Mostly wanting to compare answers and further expand my own understanding.
Ok, i have spent the past 3 hours articulating my response.
It is very long, but my explanation of my perspectives cannot really be explained with less. I hope you have the patience to read what i have to say, and that if you do, that it will not be a waste of your time. My pre-emptive apologies if it turns out to be so.
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It started when i was 10 years old. My parents, while believeing in an after life, did not have any sort of faith. They never really passed their beliefs along since they didn't really know what they believed in themselves. So, while lying in bed on some insignificant day in March of that year, i was for some random reason thinking what it would be like to be dead - and my realization crippled me. It occured that i would not think, feel, or be me. It caused a terrible anxiety in me. I could not function unless i would escape into Final Fantasy 3, my RPG of choice during that period of my life.
My parents, baffled by and distraught at my turmoil tried to aid me in finding some answers that could be of comfort to me. My dad gave me a bible, and as well "A Book of Bible Stories" for a bit of an easier (and less grotesque) read. And my mom at this time was exploring her own spiritually, by which she had come across Sylve Browne - reknown pyschic and explorer of the spiritual realm. My mom gave me 'Adventures of a Pyschic', Sylvia Brownes first book about the paranormal.
At that age, the things Sylvia Browne elaborated on were fantastical and inspiring. I was so paralyzed by fear; i would and did cling to anything that could make some semblance of sense in order to quash my distress. Her ideas that God loves us, there is no Hell, that we write our lives before we live them (called 'blueprints', or 'charts'), and that we live many many lives, as Earth is much like 'school' for our souls - these were comforting.
I was an avid fan of hers up until i was 16 years old or so. And, ironically, it was through her own writing that doubts started to stir about what she had to say. I was reading 'God, Creation, and the Universe' within where she said some extraordinary things. No longer was life about only about living through our choreographed trials, joys, and accomplishments, but that also and more-so, all our 'ideas' exist on another plane of reality. Gnomes, Pixies, Leprechauns - these are all very much real; there is no longer just one God, but two: a Mother and Father God; there are not just Spirit Guides (people on the Other Side who help guide us through our lives) but also Totems (spirit guide animals), gaurdian angels and lesser angels, and a legion of other 'entities' to help us along our path (such as the Goddess of the Night, i forget her name). These things were quite interesting to read, but they turned life so much into a fantasy that i couldn't help but start to view her books as nothing more than just that - an intricate, powerful, but completely fictional fantasy.
Despite my depreciation of her ideas, it never occurred to me to start to re-inquire about the fears that had debilitated my existance a 3rd of my life ago.
And then i was 19 years old, Mid-November, when my best friend and two others decided it would be a delightful idea to consume some Mushrooms. This was the true beginning into my very real plunge into the depths of what death 'is'. I don't know much about others' experience with shrooms, but of all the times i've done them (about 8?) i've never had a hallucination. I have done moderate to large doses everytime, and i've experienced auditory hallucinations, but never a visual. So typically i just escape to the recesses of my mind, catapluting myself into philosophical and pyschological voyages. This one was different from my others in that it sent me into a 4 month depression; or more so, Despair.
This part is very hard to describe. Anyone who has not experienced drugs will have no idea what it's like, and will not understand that any horror you can feel while sober is immensely dwarfed by the depth of it when you are not. Anyone who has experience with drugs will no better be able to know what i felt, other than knowing what i felt was immense, as my trip has not been any of theirs.
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I could hear myself thinking. I'm not talking about thoughts we 'hear' in our heads, i'm talking about the space between. When a person attempts to 'not think' they are (most likely) unable to do so. I was not trying to not-think, however, i was thinking about what it is to think. What is happening inside us that allows us to 'hear' our thoughts? And it was between these thoughts that i started to recognize an echo, or more, a silent gap. I could 'hear' that gap; I could hear the silence. My thoughts were no longer fluid. I would be aware and i would be thinking, and in the next moment i would simply be aware without any thinking at all. At first i found this sensation extremely intriguing, i let it dance with me for a significant amount of time. But then, for some forsaken reason, i present to myself: "Now what would it be like to neither think nor be aware?" I was filled with a very brief moment - less than a moment - of fear when my gut realized where this train of thought was going to take me. However, i ignored such a thing, and tried to catapult myself into a place where i was not thinking nor feeling. I proceded to close my eyes. I 'shut off' my ears to a point where i could not hear anything. I stopped breathing; stopped feeling the sensation of air filling my lungs. I turned off 'thought' as i had been successfully experimenting with previously.
I do not know how long this lasted. I do not know if i was able to truly 'turn off' anything in my body - it may have just been a crazy drug induced slowing-of of perception (or speeding-up-of, depending on how you look at it). I cannot judge the amount of time that passed in these moments, but only know i 'awoke'. My thought-silentness was not broken or shattered, for unlike the previous thought-less awareness, there was no silence to break. There was simply a gap in my existence. Time had passed when my senses and awareness had not given their permission to do so.
And within instants, the realization came crushing home that that was what death was. My eyes shot open, my heart tried to bust out of my body. I wanted to scream, and to cry, and to claw myself out of my skin. But i was paralyzed. I sat there staring out of a window that was across from me. After 10-30 minutes i decided that i couldn't bare to be in the company of my friends, and so left without a word and laid down in my bed.
I cannot accurately describe what i was like at this time. I could not stop moving. I wanted to cry more than anything else in the world - i wanted to feel something. But no tears were forthright. I was not physically paralyzed, but mentally i was debilitated. I could not stop rehearsing the moment after i had 'ceased' to exist; the 'waking up' or 'coming back' that it was. I could not sleep for hours. The horror i felt is unparalleled to anything i have ever experienced in my existence.
Over the next month my day consisted of me waking up, moving aimlessly throughout my house. I'd lie in my bed, i'd lie on the couch. I ate little. I did not leave my house. I was too scared/lost/crippled to watch TV, read, or play video games, i had no desire to play Starcraft despite my addiction. I had no desire to talk to anyone but my mother; and my attempts to do so only scared her. She would answer the phone and i would say Hello. I would be silent for the most part. She would ask me what is wrong; i would hesitate (for my lack of ability to articulate such an experience) and whisper to her that i was afraid; she would inquire why and of what - i would respond simply that it was impossible to explain. I worried her immensely.
My feelings ranged from horror, despair, loneliness, and insignificance. These would circulate for the 12 hours a day or less that i was awake, as i'd try to spend as much time sleeping as i possibly could. Exhaustion. I will not claim what it's like to be someone in a truly horrifying circumstance - such as war, torture, or dying from a malady like cancer - but i do know exactly how exhausting a circumstance can make you. I was spiritually and mentally exhausted. And after 2 months or so, i started to get sick of it (more like boreom, but a very disgusted boredom). At this point i was able to cry, and did so daily. I was able to watch spurts of TV until something tragic happened on screen - such as seeing an animal pass away, or even the glimpse of someone of old age - someone moving ever closer to the oblivion that is death. I started to read a little bit here and there. I started to shower more than once a week; i started to eat at least once every day, as opposed to the typical 3-4 days without food. I started to interact with my friends a bit, but they would scare me very easily and i would retreat to my loneliness.
Ironically - and most fortunately - i started to read Anne Rices 'Vampire Chronicles' upon suggestion from my boyfriend (ironic because vampires are immortal). I was infatuated with the idea of immortality, that our life and our existence does not have to disappear, does not have to lose its insignificance, that a world - even a fictional one! - existed where people do not have to Die. I was able to absorb myself in "Interview with the Vampire" from noon until morning, absorbing the words in a way that i had never read words before. And that is probably the moment i would pinpoint that things in my life started to Change.
I was reading a beautiful fantasy novel, filled with beautiful creatures and fantastical ideas, and i looked out of my window to see one of the most beautiful sunrises i've ever seen in my life. A mirage of yellows and oranges cascaded into the fleeting blue of the darkness. And that's the first time it hit me. These things, My Life, the act of Experiencing, is Beautiful. Despite all the truth and despair and horror that reality is, there is still beauty. - That "Life in a Glass House" is a beautiful song! - That mothers with unconditional love look down on their children in their arms, and are beautiful - That two individuals sharing intimacy is profound and beautiful - That the reds, golds, purples that can be found in the blooms of flowers, and the seasons that turn the leaves on trees those same colours, are beautiful! And all these things exist in spite of their insignificance! Things are not beautiful because they are forever, they are beautiful because they are not!.
Since then, my life has never been a bad one. Even in struggling moments i have an immense and profound respect for life. I have an even more profoud and respect for Tragedy because tragedy only adds to our beauty. Life is harsh, and brutal, and savage. There is no justice, there is no forgivness, there is no inherant right or wrong. We amble along through life not knowing - often searching - for answers, and the truth is there are none. And how can all of this not be beautiful? How can all this feeling, and joy, and pain, and sorrow, and love, not be beautiful beyond imagining! When you watch someone lose a loved one - a child, lover, or parent - and they are utterly torn apart how can that obvious and declaration of love for that lost individual not inspire an insane respect for beauty? That such emotions are possible that losing them causes such rivals in emotion?
When we die, all of this ends. We no longer suffer tragedy, we no longer love, or be but admirers in the garden of Beauty. We lose our Awareness. It is not that this finality of it all that gives our life meaning, it's that our life was meaningful inspite of this finality. I'm in love with that finality because it's all apart of it. Beauty can't be what it is without it, and is all the more beautiful for it.
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I hope someone can get something out of this. It is My Life.
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On January 13 2007 00:24 ~AreS] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2007 00:22 Pseudo_Utopia wrote:
Honestly, I just think that what happens after the moment of death is 100% unpredictable. Thus you can have no opinion of what death means as a change. You might say ' ' you won`t be able to experience the world that we know now ' ' but you still don't know whether that`s true or not. Since everything that we are is created by impulses in the brain, it's safe to assume no impulse = no consciousness. Worst case scenario you end up retarded, at which point you don't give a damn.
Then tell me this: are you able to imagine a state in which no consciousness is experienced? The answer, of course, is no, since we are only able to imagine actual states, not "non-states" or absence of state. So if I follow your reasoning, there is still no way to give any substance or reality to my imagination of my own death. Basically, I know that after I'm dead, I won't be experiencing or being "X", where X can be replaced by anything you can name. However, there is no way to make a positive statement (not positive in the sense of good but positive in the sense of stating that something is a certain way) about my own personal death and I find myself unable to be afraid of something I have absolutely no way to define.
I am not afraid of nothingness because there is nothing in it to cause that fear.
Of course, I'm afraid of many things that could lead to death, such as a hardcore multiple stabbing in the face as was mentioned. But that's another story.
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Been said a hundred times; not afraid of death but how I die.
Life will always go on; get used to it.
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Thank you for explaining. : )
I can process what you said and appreciate, am happy that such thoughts can bring you resolution. A lot of your thoughts I have heard from my fiance before, spelled in different ways with the same meaning, though of similar depth and self-awareness. They're wonderful insights, especially when I hear it from two sources, but they don't strike that same chord for me. I wish they did. XP
Thank you, again, for being so open and willing. Taking the time.
I'm glad you found your peace.
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very well written and i love the ideas expressed in it.
i need to do shrooms now damnit!
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(in somewhat of a response to mora's post, and a post of my own on the subjcet)
i've never gone through days of depression about the fact, but i've had really deep and disturbing experiences with my revelations about my life and the fact that my death isnt avoidable
in the end, ive come to almost the same conclusion and thoughts myself. Back in the day when i was an angsty pre-teen/early teens i was "suicidal" to the point where i had tried, failed due to lack of effort and deep down not enough desire to carry it out. that only sent me into further bouts of tears and depression. everyone in my life had left me, my dad, my girlfriend, it was rough(those are the important ones in the story). i wish i could say i had these great revelations back then, but no, i just had to bear out the stupid teenage depression and get the hell over it
here i am years later, lets say i was 16, when i had again given lots of thought into death, and i drew the conclusions i have now. here i am at 18 with my present thoughts and feelings. looking back i wish i could just backhand myself for being so ridiculous. life is amazing, and there is NOTHING worth dying for. you could lose everything and life is still worth it to just keep breathing every day just to see the next. the fact that i have to die some time terrifies me, but no use worrying about it now because life is fuckin fantastic.
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and man, i would never do shrooms. they give you food poisoning no? and that's what causes the trip? i'll stick with LSD.
and much like MTF, i would be 10x less afraid of death if i knew i was going to hell. as long as i'd still have an existance. of course i wouldnt turn down heaven, but im not picky.
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On January 13 2007 17:10 MTF wrote:
Thank you for explaining. : )
I can process what you said and appreciate, am happy that such thoughts can bring you resolution. A lot of your thoughts I have heard from my fiance before, spelled in different ways with the same meaning, though of similar depth and self-awareness. They're wonderful insights, especially when I hear it from two sources, but they don't strike that same chord for me. I wish they did. XP
Thank you, again, for being so open and willing. Taking the time.
I'm glad you found your peace.
I'd love to meet your girlfriend.
Thank you for inspiring me to articulate my experiences. I've tried many times before without much success, and am happy that i was able to express what i did.
And thank you for reading.
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why? because we don't know what happens when we die. the foremost fear is that when we die that's the end of our consciousness as we know it. we have religion to try and ease these concerns, but in reality it comes down to faith; no tangible evidence has ever been given to us regarding the aftermath of death. if i KNEW death wasn't the end, i can say with 100% authority that i wouldn't be afraid to die. the pain of dying, yes, but "passing over", no.
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On January 13 2007 17:10 YoiChiBow wrote:
very well written and i love the ideas expressed in it.
i need to do shrooms now damnit!
Thanks!
And while i completely appreciate my Shroom experience, i must say again that it was hard. If you're going to search inside yourself for answers, you need know that not all those answers are happy ones (thought i do believe that they are all good). I was able to conquer my demons on shrooms but i will never do LSD out of fear that i may not be able to conquer the demons found on that intense trip.
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On January 12 2007 23:38 CoralReefer wrote:
so you are not dying when you are being killed?
last time i did this, i received a 1 week temp ban, lets see what happens this time:
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it was a rhetorical question, you fool
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im not afraid to die, i just hope it isnt an horrible death. After all, there is so much unexplored in the afterlife
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im not afraid of death, only being murdered. i believe in the afterlife and no one can change my belief, i am certain there is an afterlife.
now i have a few questions, can someone define the big bang and the universe in their own words for me?
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I am afraid of death because it brings an end to everything and there is no way to know what comes after death. Heaven? Nothing at all, like before we were conceived? It's just very hard to imagine the nothingness that will be there when we can't be conscious anymore. Then again, reality itself seems torturous. Having a consciousness that lives on forever, whether through immortality or in the afterlife, will eventually be so boring, because it'll last an eternity. I don't know if existing forever(forever is an incomprehensible concept, like infinity) in Heaven is really better than simply not existing, which is equally incomprehensible, yet I know it's possible because of sleeping/going unconscious. We don't feel the unconscious times in our lives because we just skip the time and go straight to when we are next conscious, but what happens if we never be conscious? I suppose the theories about how everything will happen given enough time(monkeys writing shakespeare) would say that we could eventually regain consciousness by coming back to life somehow in like 10^120938 years, and we would just wake up and feel like we just died yesterday. But what would we feel if we never woke up again, and how could whatever decides our consciousness know the future that we'll never wake up, not in a 10^googol years?
I say we shouldn't think about death because the above paragraph creeps me out.
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
I'm afraid to die because I don't know if I can still go on TL.net after I die
If I die, I don't know if I can still do the things I love. That's why I don't want to die. Maybe not AFRAID. =/
note to self: go start doing your homework baka
edit: yessir!
to others: I'll be inactive for the next couple of weeks. exam time
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
I do not deny death. I am resigned. I have no mitigating beliefs to console me in my final moment. I will face my demise alone as all of us will do. I also know that when it comes, I will be no more. I just hope that destiny unfolds in such a way, that when I make my exit from our reality, I will be in a state of grace. That I know. Nostalgia, sadness, anger maybe but there will be no fear. That I know.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
im thinking of becoming a buddist and being reborn as a starcraft progamer in korea
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joohyunee
Korea (South)1087 Posts
i'm not afraid to die b/c it's the time when i'm finally going to meet God face to face =D
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I don't wanna die cuz I'm skeptical there is anything afterwards, and I want to enjoy life rather than be dead which is not pain, or joy but just nothingness.
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On January 13 2007 21:55 infinity21 wrote:I'm afraid to die because I don't know if I can still go on TL.net after I die If I die, I don't know if I can still do the things I love. That's why I don't want to die. Maybe not AFRAID. =/ note to self: go start doing your homework baka edit: yessir! to others: I'll be inactive for the next couple of weeks. exam time
Oh you'll be back very soon Once TL has its grasp on you, it never lets go. I learnt that the hard way during my last exam period lol.
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Death is the only reason I envy religious ppl. (don't talk about getting burned in hell, I mean the confidence and peace you gain when you know you won't just fade away when you die). on the other hand I would be really scared if we were to live forever, so thats somewhat a dilemma: not wanting to die and at the same moment not wanting to live forever. One thing I'm absolutely certain of is that scientists will be able to expand our span of live tremendously. There is no real biological reason why our organism ages as long until it dies. At least no reason that can't be fixed and believe me, we can't even imagine what will be possible scientific wise in 100 years. The process of gaining knowledge is accelerating every year and in my eyes it is inevitable that these kind of drugs / genetical manupulations will come.
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i want to die , so i can come back and haunt your sorry asses
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Its easy for me to say, sitting at a computer with death a far-away idea, that i am not afraid to die. Just simply that i dont want to. Life is too good to want it to end.
But if the idea of death became a looming reality <eg got cancer> Im not sure if my answer would be the same. Maybe then I would be afraid.
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On January 13 2007 10:30 CoralReefer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2007 06:08 infecteddna wrote:
Looking at it logically, death is the only certainty in our existence and fearing the inevitable does seem rather pointless. Of course fearing anything could be considered rather pointless.
fearing death is the same as fearing venomous snakes, fear of heights, fear of dying in boiling water, fear of being murdered, etc. etc. how come people don't seem to understand that they are one and the same?
While being afraid of a truck driving straight towards you and being afraid of death might be considered the same, fearing death itself I'd say is different.
If your point was that fearing things isn't pointless, well.. You fear venomous snakes, you do some silly panicked move, you scare the snake, get bit and die. You fear heights, you get dizzy, you fall and die. You fear being murdered and waste your time being afraid instead of hitting the bum with the knife with a baseball bat. You fear dying in boiling water, raw eggs will kill you.
Not that I'll be quoted for saying fear isn't good, it is. It's a damn good game and saves your life.
But fearing random stuff that can potentially kill you=nothx
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Norway10161 Posts
Why would you waste your time being afraid of something you really have no control over?
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Fear isn't a choice, unfortunately.
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Norway10161 Posts
But really...I can't see many people our age going around actually being afraid to die, or giving it much thought alltogether. It's one of those things that we know will happen one day or another, and while being aware of that fact may help you enjoy the things you do more or make you do changes to your life to make sure you are as happy as possible, being afraid of it seems quite useless since we can't really do anything about it.
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I don't refute that it's a useless fear. I only restate that fear itself isn't controllable. It can be handled and it can be fought against, but no matter what, if you fear something then the fear will remain there, even if not constantly.
I've been struggling with the issue since I was five. XP Obviously that isn't normal, but fear is fear. While it may be a more "valid" fear at an older age, it isn't a prerequisite. I don't let it control my life, but that doesn't mean I can stop being afraid of it.
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I couldn't care less about how I die, it means nothing since in the end of that experience, I will die, so that pain will have ment nothing.
I am though, like most here, afraid of what happens after we die, since it's a human thing to be afraid of what you do not know,
To continue with this topic, but with another question:
If you could chose to know what happens when you die, would you chose to know, or would you chose to carry on with yoru life, not knowing what happens when you die?
Explain your choice aswell
I would chose to not know what happens, since there are certain "answers" that I don't think my brain would be able to handle very well.
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I don't want my friends to be sad
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On January 14 2007 06:08 TS-Rupbar wrote:
I don't want my friends to be sad
if nobody would be sad that i died, i would've killed myself by now
disturbing concept now that i've thought of it
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United Kingdom10597 Posts
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I'm not afraid. Death will be like a new adventure. Or it'll be just like sleeping a long time. I like sleep.
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On January 14 2007 04:34 MTF wrote:
I don't refute that it's a useless fear. I only restate that fear itself isn't controllable. It can be handled and it can be fought against, but no matter what, if you fear something then the fear will remain there, even if not constantly.
I've been struggling with the issue since I was five. XP Obviously that isn't normal, but fear is fear. While it may be a more "valid" fear at an older age, it isn't a prerequisite. I don't let it control my life, but that doesn't mean I can stop being afraid of it.
Agreed. Someone who doesn't fear death cannot possibly understand how un-ignorable that fear is to someone who does.
My best advice would be to try to somehow come to a place that death is no longer scary. At first i found solace in believing in an after-life, then i found solace in the beauty of life instigated by the relationship between life and death.
Ultimately, you need to find something to believe in. Not something you need to convince yourself, but something you can't help but believe. Very much like faith (or i guess it would be faith).
When i come across a challenge or fear, i for the most part continuously pursue it until i conquer it or am no longer afraid of not conquering it. Some people perfer to avoid things that disturb them - i have a resounding optimism that makes me believe that anything can be conquered - so i pursue it.
So i guess my advice would be to do just that. So far, it's never done me wrong. Avoiding fear never really lets you get away from it, especially of something like death. It's always in the back of your mind, tarnishing even the most joyful of moments - because ultimately you know that they don't matter because you are going to die. This is something that must be defeated. Not only will those moments no longer be tarnished, but they will be influenced just as much by your comfort, and will be more joyful and full than ever before.
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To continue with this topic, but with another question:
If you could chose to know what happens when you die, would you chose to know, or would you chose to carry on with yoru life, not knowing what happens when you die?
Explain your choice aswell
I believe I will cease to exist when I die.
There are fates much worse than that (hell is just one possibility among many), and I'd rather not hear about them. I'm somewhat of a pessimist, so I'd rather not be told and just keep my beliefs - I already got used to the idea that I will no longer exist.
Like someone else said in an earlier post, I don't think my life will have made any real difference, and I'm somewhat troubled by it, but I'm in the process of getting over that, too.
Being [almost] certain of my inevitable death does not motivate me in any way. Other people here mentioned it makes them seek out happiness and a wholesome life experience etc.
But that's completely pointless, you see, because when you die, nobody will care that you had a great life. That life experience will vanish and in all likelihood, whatever effects you had on the world will be absorbed into the "noise" of reality like a droplet diffusing into the middle of a vast ocean.
For me, it's enough to live comfortably and try to do something useful some of the time. But I admit motivation is a good thing, I don't mean to spoil it :D. sorry if what I say comes across as depressing.
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On January 14 2007 08:26 decafchicken wrote:if nobody would be sad that i died, i would've killed myself by now disturbing concept now that i've thought of it
True. If my mom weren't around, I'd be dead by now.
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On January 14 2007 13:07 EmS.Radagast wrote:
Other people here mentioned it makes them seek out happiness and a wholesome life experience etc.
But that's completely pointless, you see, because when you die, nobody will care that you had a great life. That life experience will vanish and in all likelihood, whatever effects you had on the world will be absorbed into the "noise" of reality like a droplet diffusing into the middle of a vast ocean.
Why does it matter that nobody will care that i lived a great life? If i was the only being in existence, should i commit suicide simply because no one would be around to see it?
Any effects i have on the world will be asorbed into the eternity of the universe - true. Shouldn't i be thankful for that? Seriously, i have enough trouble with my life as it is - knowing that my life would most certaintly effect the rest of eternity would be much more pressure than i can handle. My life is absolutely pointless and will not matter to the universe and i'm thankful.
I am a droplet that will one day diffuse into the vast oceans of time and creation - this is true. And as all ready mentioned, im thankful for it. By why not be a brilliant little droplet? Why not be oblivious to everything that doesn't matter, and sparkle and shine and grow and dance and smile and cry and just be fantastical before absorbed into that inevitable oblivion? The inevtiable oblivion can't and won't intimidate me - i will be fantastical!
I realize i may be flogging the dead horse much; but i can't help it. I realize my optimism and passion for life must make others puke. Bummer. I can't help but be inspired by the truths of life, and i can't help but want to share that inspiration.
For me, it's enough to live comfortably and try to do something useful some of the time. But I admit motivation is a good thing, I don't mean to spoil it :D. sorry if what I say comes across as depressing.
Don't you see? If death can't spoil my motivation, you certainly can't. You don't depress me by not sharing my optimism, you make me all the more motivated to inspire you and those like you!
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Biggest fear of death comes from being unable to provide for and protect my daughter.
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mora stop making long ass posts, i havent yet found the time to read your 3-hour-epos because you keep spilling out posts with over 1,000 characters...shut up and let me finish reading first
but as far as i can see, very insightful and motivating.
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
Why are you afraid to die?
I'm not.
I also agree with Mora.
It is the optimists that drive humanity forward. Humans would have been extinct long ago if everyone sat around saying "whats the point?".
The point is you can either help humanity go forward and do great things in your life or you can sit around and say "whats the point" and let life pass you by while you accomplish nothing.
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
I don't think my life will have made any real difference, and I'm somewhat troubled by it,
When I realized that it was my choice to make, whether my life made a difference or not, my life changed 180 degrees.
If you think you won't make a real difference, you won't. If you think you will make a difference, you will.
We all make choices in our lives, choosing mediocrity / indifference / or unhappiness is suicidal.
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On January 14 2007 14:38 Tien wrote:Show nested quote + I don't think my life will have made any real difference, and I'm somewhat troubled by it, When I realized that it was my choice to make, whether my life made a difference or not, my life changed 180 degrees.
I think he's referring to the much grander picture.
Like humanity in a thousand years - or 10 thousand years - or when humanity is extinct.
I think, past the fear of death, it is simply that the only way of 'living forever' is to be remembered, and if that memory is forgotten (cause it most surely will, it's only a matter of time) that you lose even that small grasp of immortality - and that is frightening.
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United Kingdom10597 Posts
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On January 14 2007 11:43 Mora wrote:
Ultimately, you need to find something to believe in. Not something you need to convince yourself, but something you can't help but believe. Very much like faith (or i guess it would be faith).
I've been trying that for a long time, but no possibility has offered me comfort yet.
On January 14 2007 11:43 Mora wrote:
So i guess my advice would be to do just that. So far, it's never done me wrong. Avoiding fear never really lets you get away from it, especially of something like death. It's always in the back of your mind, tarnishing even the most joyful of moments - because ultimately you know that they don't matter because you are going to die. This is something that must be defeated. Not only will those moments no longer be tarnished, but they will be influenced just as much by your comfort, and will be more joyful and full than ever before.
While, after more than 3/4th's of my life has been plagued by dealing with this, I do not hold the same high optimism, I definitely have not given up. I try and I try hard. I've been pushing especially hard recently, as I simply hate the thought that my future with her, our wedding day, whatever, could be randomly tainted by these thoughts. Special moments have been lessened and ruined by sudden invasions of these thoughts already, and I most certainly don't want that to carry on.
However, my handle on such has weakened recently, and my reactions consist of literal panic attacks (feeling trapped, not being able to sit still, sometimes randomly shouting out/hitting objects) and occasional boughts of depression.
I hope those who are saying that it's a stupid fear realize that this isn't just something that can be swept aside by willpower if you have it. Not unless you're lying to yourself or stumble upon some wonderful self-realization.
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u people think small , really small ; let's say u make something ; something that people will remember u for , then u die all happy and shit of you achievements , accomplishments...
one day later a meteorite hits the earth and brings humanity to extinction - who will remember u then? nobody of course + youre worst fear will come true
1) this is really a lame reason to die happy for
2)one should always think of the bigger picture --(univers ...argmnaorgnaegrae)
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also i recommend the movie "Meet Joe Black" Antony Hopkins , Brad Pit
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If you think you won't make a real difference, you won't. If you think you will make a difference, you will.
No offense, but this strikes me as a very naive statement.
I didn't actually draw the conclusions you talk about - I said it's pointless, but it doesn't stop me from still trying to accomplish things ("do useful things some of the time") just for the fun of it. It makes me feel good when I manage to overcome problems. It's probably comes as no surprise that I'm an engineer, and if I were a little less stupid I might have become a scientist. However, I do my work without any delusions of grandeur - subjectively I might occasionally pull out unbelievable heroics at work, but if you take an honest, objective look at it, you will see it barely makes any real difference to the world we live in...
I mean, if I went back in time and say, caused the railroad/steam engines to be invented 50 years earlier, yea it would make a difference. Developing yet another algorithm or some commercial software codebase (which is what I'm doing these days) has very low chances of impacting the world in any serious way.
There are mind-bogglingly difficult problems and I dare say entire theories (especially in mathematics) that objectively are nothing more than a huge sink for intellectual horsepower that could be utilized for some kind of real-world benefit instead. But the people who put all this vast effort into it don't care, because to them it matters more than anything else.
Actually now that I think of it, I've heard quite a few scientists say with a straight face that their work is completely worthless for any practical purpose, among them one of the most accomplished mathematics professor in my country.
I guess it's just a matter of attitude. I'm aware that the way I see things isn't exactly popular, and I can see why. Just to clarify, I'm not trying to advocate being a lazy bum, only to keep things in perspective, you know...
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
On January 14 2007 14:55 Mora wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2007 14:38 Tien wrote: I don't think my life will have made any real difference, and I'm somewhat troubled by it, When I realized that it was my choice to make, whether my life made a difference or not, my life changed 180 degrees. I think he's referring to the much grander picture. Like humanity in a thousand years - or 10 thousand years - or when humanity is extinct. I think, past the fear of death, it is simply that the only way of 'living forever' is to be remembered, and if that memory is forgotten (cause it most surely will, it's only a matter of time) that you lose even that small grasp of immortality - and that is frightening.
You must remember that we belong to something bigger than just ourselves.
We belong to humanity. 15 000 years from now, one person's actions may not be remembered, but humanity as a whole will, and that is something to be proud of.
To say what we do does not matter but humanity will be exinct trillions and trillions of years from now is completely selfish and foolish.
For example, if you spent your entire life dedicated to helping people find a safe cure of HIV or cancer, imagine the consequences.
You would have helped saved billions and billions of people down the road from suffering / misery. You can equate that to billions of years that you saved people from suffering. All those great minds and optimists that created penecilin, pain killers, cures of asthma, Televisions, microwaves, reliant sources of energy. All these things we all take for granted that help our lives beome easier everyday.
What these people did helped you, what these people did helped me, what these people did will help billions of people.
How can you say it doesn't matter? It sure as hell matters to that kid that is about to have his leg amputated and is glad that pain killers exist.
Im not saying you need to be the next person to cure cancer and be remembered forever, but you need to belong to that group of optimistic individuals who continue to drive humanity forward and make the lives of everyone around them better.
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
It IS a matter of attitude.
Erase the negative / pessimistic thoughts completely from your mind and you will see the difference.
Everything is cause and effect. Thoughts are the first causes of every human effect. Make sure you always think positively and optimistically, and the chances of you producing things in life that matter to other people / make their lives better will increase 1000 fold. Not only that, you will lay the seeds of prosperity and happiness for the millions of people whom haven't even been born yet.
We're all in this together. We all want humanity to survive and prosper well against hostile aliens / meteors / diseases / etc etc. Dedicate your life to something larger than life itself and it WILL matter.
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
Stop worrying about things you can't control. It is a total waste of time and energy and serves no purpose other than to preach doom and gloom to other people so that they in turn can preach doom and gloom.
Start focusing on things you CAN control and give it 90% of your time and energy.
Don't even allow those negative thoughts to even creep up in your mind. Take a baseball bat, whack em, smack em, and forget about em.
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u people think small , really small ; let's say u make something ; something that people will remember u for , then u die all happy and shit of you achievements , accomplishments...
one day later a meteorite hits the earth and brings humanity to extinction - who will remember u then? nobody of course + youre worst fear will come true
OK fine, maybe the universe is a simulation and it will stop a second after you read this line, on the other hand maybe not, (probably not if you're still reading...heh) but what's the use to base your actions on such assumptions? humanity may be wiped out eventually, but we could do some interesting stuff meanwhile, to this end I personally decided to focus on developing technology.
I guess it's similar to voting - you do it because you believe you're pushing things in the right direction, but honestly your _individual_ vote barely makes any difference. So that's how I view my work. It doesn't make much difference, but I'm part of a greater whole that actually does have meaningful effect on the world, and that's enough motivation for me - I'm just not kidding myself that my personal contribution means that much on its own, or that my life will otherwise matter in its own right.
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I'm not, of course when thinking of the concept of eternity it seems a bit scary.
For example the people who think about heaven for eternity......do you ever try to really grasp what eternity is? Would heaven eventually get dull? What about people who have had multiple spouses due to being a widow or something. Who do they stay with? I mean granted my questions about heaven aren't very spiritual but meh.
I dont really think about it, to me its not the fear of death thats scary, its the fear of eternity.
The one thing I do have a fear of is humanity being gone, I mean like the human race being extinct and no one like us to be around. Maybe thats because Id be forgotten who knows.
When i first learned about death and being gone forever at a very young age(maybe like 2-3 years old) I am sure I was affraid, but then I guess it went to the back of my mind and I don't think about it. Even when a person dies I generally don't think about it. Maybe im numb to the idea of death who knows.
Ive definitely thought about life not having a point though, like being in a lifelong relationship with someone and then all of a sudden you are a widow or something, or getting divorced at an old age would suck. Watching a special about Ants yesterday on the animal planet to me really showed that our lives are sort of insignificant in the grand scheme of things, but its the affect of those around us that make us different than ants (shit though who knows if ants have feeling too =-) )
Rambled but
Just some thoughts I guess
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EmS.Radagast im behind u 100% ; i did not say u shouldnt do it i just said that (your posterity)should not be the reason for witch you make peace with death
but i see what u said like a 2 way street
1)you and your greater whole can and will have some meaningful effect on the world , thing that will make u see death as a next step and nothing more (since you'll live thru you good deeds , deeds that will generate more good deeds...etc ; so you are a small part of the future and in some cheesy way you feel immortal
2)the egotistical side of you will say : after all i've done for this people i still die . goddamnit!
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We be frighten we be men
Men be living not be spent
If die we not be men
You are typing in this screen
You are alive as fish in stream
Live as you are and you remain
Remain alive death you refrain
And thus you put on your constrain
Stay alive you say, for you must retain
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It's all relative kids. Have some ice cream!
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I didn't read the thread and this may be not what the original poster asked for, but there is a simple causal explanation for why I fear death, and that is that fear of death is a survival trait, and I am an organism.
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I'm afraid that death CAN be something bad, also i feel uneasy when i think of the possibility of not being me anymore losing contact with my relatives, girlfriend and friends, fear is it.
that's very much like having alzheimer's disease, i fear this very much more than a cancer that would harm my body (tough this is scary)
To continue with this topic, but with another question:
If you could chose to know what happens when you die, would you chose to know, or would you chose to carry on with yoru life, not knowing what happens when you die?
Explain your choice aswell.
i'd like to know it by any means, knowledge is power and i'd rather know it even if it was something bad, not always ignorance is bliss imho
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On January 12 2007 17:39 Jumpingworm wrote:
Haven't experienced everything I want to experience in life yet.
Though when dead I'd probably not really be aware of that :p
exactly.
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i can't think like you guys, saying "it's not under my control so i won't worry about it" just because what we have is complete ignorance about death, it could even be "worried ---> happy ever after, noncaring bitches ----> nothingness"
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or maybe those dying with a red hat would live forever in another parallel universe...
complete ignorance i say
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you can not worry about what people think about you after you die, or how they remember you
because you'll be dead
enjoy life now while you have it instead of ponder ways to be remembered when you wont have the chance to see it anyway
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On January 14 2007 06:08 TS-Rupbar wrote:
I don't want my friends to be sad
agree...
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I'm not really afraid because I think death is part of what makes life beautiful. Imagine a good book that instead of ending just kept going and going, it would suck. My idea is to fill life with as much good memories as possible. Whether there is an afterlife or not to me is irrelevant. Whether anyone remembers me or not is irrelevant. No matter what, nothing will ever change the fact that you had your life and you lived it as you saw fit. That for me is enough to want to make it count.
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Calgary25980 Posts
I don't agree with much that's been said in this thread. I come from a pretty scientific and logical background; I put little thought in spirituality. But here's a thought from a movie I found interesting (Again, I'm no biologist, nor a doctor; everything I say may be innacurate):
When you dream, your brain is still alive and working in a lessoned form, as your consciousness is lost. Although you are no long conscious, you're definately still sentient. When you are asleep and have a dream, you can remember it as if it happened to you. So althought you're not "awake" you are still able to experience the things your brain is telling you.
Also, as I'm sure many people have experienced, when you have a dream, it seems much, much longer than it actually is. You can feel like you've been dreaming for hours, but it was actually only 5 minutes.
This movie offers that once you "die" (heart stops beating), your brain is still able function on this lesser level for around 6 minutes. A level where you are "dead", but you might not actually be; you aren't receiving any outside information through your senses, but you can still experience the things your brain is telling you, much like a dream.
If you choose to believe this, there's a lot of possibilities. Realizing that a dream that lasts only 5 minutes may feel like hours, it's not impossible to imagine that while dying, you are able to experience days and possibly years worth of experiences. Your life "flashing before your eyes", may actually be more truth than a simple expression. You would be able to revist years worth of memories in the 6 minutes before your brain stops working. The movie said that people experience entire second lives while they are dying; this begs the question of are YOU alive now or have you died and are simply experiencing your second life?
If you choose to believe everything up to this point, consider the fact that these 6 minutes would not be so happy. It could equally feel like a lifetime of torment. Essentially, a lifetime of hell before you are actually "dead".
Anyways, I don't believe in the afterlife. As I said, my background just doesn't allow me to believe it because it doesn't make sense to me. When you're dead, you're dead. However, I do believe some people believe they've been to hell or to heaven; the brain is a powerful thing once you are in a state that isn't normal (sickness, drug-induced, near-death, etc.).
The movie was called Waking Life for anyone insterested, and I haven't seen it sober in years so what I've said might not actually be 100% accurate of what the movie said. It's possible I've added my own thoughts inbetween O_o
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What THE Hell !!?!!? why would someone be afraid of death thats just weird (or atleast imo) :S i mean why should people be afraid of the inevidabel, its not like u can avoid death so why be afraid of DEATH....
Now here we get to the point, nobodys afraid of death but the fact when u die, because people dont wanna die young ( because they havent experienced, play sc enough blah blah blah...)
<---- ok that was totally useless, just wanted to make a correction unless it was OBVIOUS already... rofl anyways...
But we all must remember WE ONLY LIVE ONCE, meaning do whatever you can here and now in this world and cut some slack on things and DONT WASTE YOUR LIFE on stupid things, most importantly be happy, even if being lonely and playing sc for like 16h day and being overweight and ugly and having no relations makes u happy then live like that but.... uhh whatever....
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