Ok, so people say things like "Tyson would knock out Ali with a single punch" or "Tyson wouldn't be able to get a single hit on Ali." Well, we'll never know so give you're opinion and explain why.
Ali in his Prime (1966) vs Tyson's (1988)
Poll: Who would win? (Vote): Muhammad Ali (Vote): Mike Tyson
I honestly think Ali would win because of all his technique. He fought George Foreman who was the hardest puncher at that time, very much like Mike Tyson. Ali always played with people's minds, making them mad then tiring them out. I think Tyson would be manipulated by Ali's mind games and also wouldn't be able to land as many hits while Ali is "floating" around.
No man ever to grace the boxing ring could ever beat Ali at his prime. Right after he was Heavyweight Champ and before he was kicked to the curb and had his belt taken from him. In the 3 years he was out of Boxing he lost his legs and from that point on he drove himself through his genius of the sport. I think most of the "talent" that got him there was in those legs.
On December 29 2006 19:17 _PulSe_ wrote: No man ever to grace the boxing ring could ever beat Ali at his prime. Right after he was Heavyweight Champ and before he was kicked to the curb and had his belt taken from him. In the 3 years he was out of Boxing he lost his legs and from that point on he drove himself through his genius of the sport. I think most of the "talent" that got him there was in those legs.
..... and if you still have any doubts go watch Ali vs Cleveland Williams to witness a perfect display of the most amazing boxing skills ever.
On December 29 2006 19:17 _PulSe_ wrote: No man ever to grace the boxing ring could ever beat Ali at his prime. Right after he was Heavyweight Champ and before he was kicked to the curb and had his belt taken from him. In the 3 years he was out of Boxing he lost his legs and from that point on he drove himself through his genius of the sport. I think most of the "talent" that got him there was in those legs.
..... and if you still have any doubts go watch Ali vs Cleveland Williams to witness a perfect display of the most amazing boxing skills ever.
Cleveland Williams was nothing. That's like saying "I'm the best boxer ever, watch me beat up a little kid." If you REALLY want to see how good he was, see Clay-Liston I. Liston was heavily favored to beat the young, up and comer Clay, and Clay whooped his ass. Liston had to have something wiped on his gloves and put in Clay's eyes (so the legend goes) to even make himself competitive, and he could still hardly hit him.
Ali in his prime (as Cassius Clay) could be beaten, it would just take another great fighter to beat him, such as Joe Louis.
Ali in the 70's might lose to Tyson, but in the 60's he'd probably beat the hell out of him. Tyson's style is like a combination of Floyd Patterson, and Joe Fraizer when he was in his prime. He had excellent head movement, and an underrated jab that helped set up those big punches he used to KO guys with.
Ali is not the greatest boxer ever, though. He would beat guys at lower weights simply because he was a bigger man, but pound for pound he might hardly scrape the top ten list depending on who you're talking to. Of course Sugar Ray Robinson is considered the greatest boxer to ever grace the ring-- and you can tell that Ali thought so as well because he took the very style of Robinson, watch any film you can find of Robinson, and look at Ali, the styles are almost identical, but there are other guys who were just as great as him, and some who beat him regularly (such as Willie Pep. I think he was he was 3-1 or 4-0... something like that v Robinson). There are many guys who were much better technical boxers than Ali was. Ali isn't even considered the best heavyweight ever by all people (many people consider that to be Joe Louis). NOTE: This is in reply to the second reply, or so, talking about how no one to ever grace the ring was as gifted, etc.
i have heard that tyson has never been taht good a heavyweight fighter, never defeating a legitimate champion. (from you know, those "experts" on tv shows) so i'll go with ali.
On December 29 2006 23:01 AmorVincitOmnia wrote: tyson would wreck ali.
Bro, you have to follow that up with a good argument, just look at what the guys above you wrote. I also believe tyson in his prime would kill ali but i don't have the textbook knowledge to prove my point. But i can say i would beat the crap out of any of the above posters in a real fight! :p
On December 29 2006 23:06 thedeadhaji wrote: i have heard that tyson has never been taht good a heavyweight fighter, never defeating a legitimate champion. (from you know, those "experts" on tv shows) so i'll go with ali.
He KO'ed Larry Holmes, who is a top 10 all time heavyweight, and he also beat Michael Spinks who was a champion at the time, the first man to beat Holmes, and undefeated until he fought Tyson. I don't think he had ever even been down in his career before Tyson.
Tyson under Cus, and Rooney was a great fighter. He had the potential to be one of the greatest fighters ever, but when those guys died, he lost it all.
On December 29 2006 23:01 AmorVincitOmnia wrote: tyson would wreck ali.
Bro, you have to follow that up with a good argument, just look at what the guys above you wrote. I also believe tyson in his prime would kill ali but i don't have the textbook knowledge to prove my point. But i can say i would beat the crap out of any of the above posters in a real fight! :p
He might beat Ali as Muhammad Ali, but he would not beat him as Cassius Clay. Try and find some of his fights as Clay and you'll see why. In fact, try and find Clay-Liston I (not II, because that ended in round one I think, maybe two, on the most infamous punch ever thrown in boxing).
To the asked confirmation: Tyson's "prime" is generally considered '87-'89. In '86 he was still an up and comer, until November of that year when he beat Berbick to become the youngest HW champion ever, but that was at the end of the year, and his real streak of dominance over the best that division had to offer was during that time.
More on Tyson: He was not the same fighter for Douglas (Which I think he got fucked over on, because Douglas DID get a slower count than did Tyson... the fight should have ended much earlier or been allowed to continue on longer), or after jail as he was pre-1990. The reason why is he had become far too distracted by outside things, and money. Rooney and Cus were both dead at this point, and he lost his focus. He was out partying in the weeks leading up to Douglas, living up the Japanese high life, so to speak, and that cost him dearly, because he didn't know that Douglas did not care if he died in the ring that night. Douglas had lost the only person that had ever really mattered to him prior to fighting Tyson: his mother. So he figured that he'd give him all he could, even if he died, because he had nothing to live for anymore. That's why he got up, and that's why he beat him.
Holyfield beat Tyson because Holyfield was A) a VERY dirty fighter, and B) he kept grabbing on the inside, which is where Tyson is most effective. A guy like John Ruiz with his punch, punch, grab style is likely to beat Tyson because his arms are never free to move on the inside, despite the fact that Ruiz is an inferior fighter. That was a match-up of styles, and Tyson's style was tailor made to Holyfield.
tyson is a tank. no one takes a blow like tyson. ali may have been more "skilled" but when it comes down to it tyson would just walk all over him with brute force.
On December 29 2006 23:27 AmorVincitOmnia wrote: tyson is a tank. no one takes a blow like tyson. ali may have been more "skilled" but when it comes down to it tyson would just walk all over him with brute force.
edit - insert "was" in there a few times.
Tyson could only take a blow for the first few rounds. If the pressure stays consistent, and the person's will is strong enough to win the fight, Tyson was like anyone, and he cracked. Ali's jab might not have hurt him, but it probably would have cut him. Tyson was afraid to fight a 40+ year old George Foreman, because he knew he would be beaten badly, he wasn't as tough as you think he was.. (Not that he had a chance v Foreman, but if he was so tough he would have fought him.. also not to take anything from the guy, because he'd kick the shit out of everyone on this forum, even now)
I have expressed the same view on this forum several times: Tyson is a vastly overrated fighter who would not be in my top 10 heavyweights. Not only would Ali win such a confrontation but he would win it handily. My own prediction would be that the fight would end in a middle round stoppage.
On December 29 2006 23:27 AmorVincitOmnia wrote: tyson is a tank. no one takes a blow like tyson. ali may have been more "skilled" but when it comes down to it tyson would just walk all over him with brute force.
Any review of Ali's illustrious career exposes your claim that 'Tyson would just walk all over him with brute force' as utter nonsense.
Boxing is kinda silly now with MMA around and stuff to me and I just always have liked Mike from bein a kid in the 80s and having such lustre surrounding his name. Its like Michael Jackson, even though he is creepy and a shadow of his former self.. You put on thriller and you can definitely remember how dope he was.
For me Mike Tyson is the same way. Back in the day he WAS pretty dope, even if it was all image.
Wasn't alive during Ali's prime, so pretty just going off of video, but I was around when Tyson first won the title and at the time no one could touch him, he had it all, the power, the speed, the toughness mental and physical, the brains(where the fuck did they go)then he had to go be a retard and fuck his career/life up to the point where he is now taking shots at cops and doing coke.
Don't get me wrong would still be one hell of a fight going into the late rounds for sure.
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