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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On January 10 2020 05:56 JimmiC wrote: Nor was I hanging my hat on the speculation. Basically you have said "guys don't speculate" "Now I think its ok to speculate, but I'm not hanging my hat". I'm not sure why you decided to be so aggressively dickish, but if you don't like to speculate that is fine. But don't be an ass and then do the same thing hours later because now the bar you made up in your head has been met. Wo slow down sensitive sam. Your opening post was literally didn't give out black box yet - probably guilty - what do we do.. and it took of all people Raynor to point out that wasn't a position worth discussing yet. And I'm not speculating I'm just sharing whatever information had been put out. And what has been shared by parties who are not speculating because they purportedly have evidence.. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On January 10 2020 06:09 Mohdoo wrote: Rebs, this is looking more like stubbornly holding ground rather than having a discussion. IR sensing is pretty clear, which it sounds like is what made it obvious. It's not particularly fancy technology and in all likelihood other countries happened to see it as well. Sorry, do I know you? I'm not sure you are addressing the ground I'm holding either. Here .. evidence Speculate away.. Video appears to show missile hitting object in sky over Tehran https://www.cnn.com/webview/middleeast/live-news/iran-plane-crash-investigation/h_5886ad4e17ba16f3bf4052e0037e79ff User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
This seems like a weird way to respond to someone. Do you need to know me..? This is an internet forum lol Edit: while I understand the serial number of the missile is not visible in this video, I have an easy time counting this as evidence a missile came out of Iran: I am hopeful we will eventually get the serial number of the missile, but I of course understand how someone could be skeptical after something as flimsy as video evidence | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17486 Posts
My #1 employee is Iranian. We talk a lot and he expressed how your average Iranian thinks about Canada in this way. Q : "what do you think of Hawaii?" A : " ummm not much , nice weather " Q : " what do you think of Hawaiians. Do you hate or love them." A : " not much really .. i have no emotion towards Hawaiians" He says the strongest thought Iranians have about Canada is the place is cold with bad weather. Iranians think about Canadians about as much as Canadians think about Hawaiians. Not much at all. So I don't know what shooting down a plane with 80+ Iranians and 60-odd Canadians accomplishes in Iran's dispute with the USA. 40 years ago when Ken Taylor/Canada fished 6 American hostages out of Iran they were fucking over a group of Iranian students more than they were fucking over the Iranian government.This 40 year old event is probably the "worst thing" Canada has ever done against Iran. Iran has been waiting 40 years to get back at Canada for that? I just don't buy that. So I dunno , IF Iran intentionally shot down this plane.... I just don't get it. I think something got FUBAR-ed. Because Iran is embroiled in a big stand off with the USA Iran is being very secretive. Who can blame them? We might never find out the truth behind what happened. If it was intentional I think it might be some religious terrorism that we have yet to uncover. An act similar to the Air India disaster of June 1985. Which is to say, if it was intentional it was not about Canada at all. | ||
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Yurie
12084 Posts
On January 11 2020 02:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote: I've met dozens of Iranians over the past 20 years. None of them hate or even dislike Canada or Canadians. I don't think they're all engaged in some massive cover up and that a bunch of them secretly hate Canada. I've seen a mild disdain amongst Iranians for the most brutal hockey fights. But then.. we got lots of Canadians that also think bench clearing hockey brawls are bordering on criminal acts. My #1 employee is Iranian. We talk a lot and he expressed how your average Iranian thinks about Canada in this way. Q : "what do you think of Hawaii?" A : " ummm not much , nice weather " Q : " what do you think of Hawaiians. Do you hate or love them." A : " not much really .. i have no emotion towards Hawaiians" He says the strongest thought Iranians have about Canada is the place is cold with bad weather. Iranians think about Canadians about as much as Canadians think about Hawaiians. Not much at all. So I don't know what shooting down a plane with 80+ Iranians and 60-odd Canadians accomplishes in Iran's dispute with the USA. 40 years ago when Ken Taylor/Canada fished 6 American hostages out of Iran they were fucking over a group of Iranian students more than they were fucking over the Iranian government.This 40 year old event is probably the "worst thing" Canada has ever done against Iran. Iran has been waiting 40 years to get back at Canada for that? I just don't buy that. So I dunno , IF Iran intentionally shot down this plane.... I just don't get it. I think something got FUBAR-ed. Because Iran is embroiled in a big stand off with the USA Iran is being very secretive. Who can blame them? We might never find out the truth behind what happened. If it was intentional I think it might be some religious terrorism that we have yet to uncover. An act similar to the Air India disaster of June 1985. Which is to say, if it was intentional it was not about Canada at all. Another angle on doing it on purpose (which I don't think they did) is that a country has multiple power blocks. It doesn't have to be ordered from the top to be on purpose. Some colonel or similar could decide it. Even lower levels than that can pull it off if they have reason and opportunity. Opportunity probably being easier than normal since I assume their military is at high alert after the previous week. Could be a block that wants the government down, to then take it over themselves. Doing it on purpose to promote their cause makes sense then. Could also be the most radical war hawks that want to escalate it. Or any other block that think it promotes their cause over the government one. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17486 Posts
I think even back in 1981 when the tensions between Canada and Iran were very high ...Canada and Canadians didn't really view Iran as some kind of big evil threat. On January 11 2020 04:06 Yurie wrote: Another angle on doing it on purpose (which I don't think they did) is that a country has multiple power blocks. It doesn't have to be ordered from the top to be on purpose. Some colonel or similar could decide it. Even lower levels than that can pull it off if they have reason and opportunity. Opportunity probably being easier than normal since I assume their military is at high alert after the previous week. Could be a block that wants the government down, to then take it over themselves. Doing it on purpose to promote their cause makes sense then. Could also be the most radical war hawks that want to escalate it. Or any other block that think it promotes their cause over the government one. yep , that makes some sense. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17486 Posts
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/champagne-clarifies-57-canadians-killed-in-iran-crash-not-63-1.4762659 Iran says its an accident. Full mea culpa by Iran. https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2020/01/11/iran-admits-firing-more-than-one-missile-at-ukrainian-jet-due-to-human-error.html How is it multiple missiles though? There is probably some degree of fluff/BS/spin in Iran's explanation. It is probably not 100% gospel truth. However, over all, the "accident" explanation makes the most sense. More bad news for Canadians. A guy with some very controversial views, Neil Peart, is dead. Rush introduced me to the writings of Ayn Rand. | ||
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BabelFish1
186 Posts
Someone is going to jail or worse for this and the Iranian government is likely to pay out the surviving families. Not else can be done nor should anything else be done. This wasn't an act of war, it was a mistake caused by error. What that error is, we will never know...but Iran has next to no reason for making an enemy out of Canada. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17486 Posts
https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/assassinated-iranian-general-honoured-at-tense-edmonton-vigil-1.4754217 https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/protesters-square-off-in-toronto-over-u-s-killing-of-irans-top-general I'm pretty sad that Neil Peart is dead... here is a memory of a happier time... While many rock stars baked their brains on drugs during the many boring hours touring brings Peart spent his time enriching his mind. He ended up writing seven books between the years 1996 and 2016. When Peart spoke, which wasn't often, I listened. I thought he was a top notch drummer. Rolling Stone has him as #4 in their top 100 drummers of all time. John Bonham is listed as #1. I'd say that is about right. Neil Peart interviewed Jean Chretien in 1993 before the 1993 election. Peart doesn't pull any punches. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
yay or nay? e: its 1.7 mill a year | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
They don't contribute anything other than being celebrities. If the Royals want to pay for security etc on their own dime sure. We'd say no to any celebrity that wanted to live in Canada and have taxpayers fund their personal expenses, so why not do the same for the Royal family outside of official visits? | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17486 Posts
https://globalnews.ca/news/6404191/justin-trudeau-iran-plane-crash-2020/ If the Iranians want to do a full mea culpa... let them. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51104687 I do think Canadians have a right to feel angry about this, however, the Toronto Sun's sensationalist way of dealing with Iran's contradictory initial statements is rather incendiary. https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/furey-canadians-eyes-are-now-opened-wide-to-irans-wretchedness + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/a4m26kl.jpg) | ||
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BabelFish1
186 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17486 Posts
https://globalnews.ca/news/6409316/mccarthy-blame-iran-trudeau/ Hopefully, a war of words does not begin between Trudeau and US Politicians. I hope Trudeau just stops talking until Iran is done with their process. On January 15 2020 04:37 BabelFish1 wrote: Canada's economy is doing terrible right now...we don't need to be wasting money on inefficient government contracts that cost a good 30-40% more than they should. From what I've seen its only been 1 quarter that the economy is doing poorly. If another set of quarterly stats indicate a tanking economy that's a very bad sign for Canada. When the US economy is doing well the Canadian economy should be doing well as well. | ||
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gotchaman
18 Posts
https://globalnews.ca/news/1765700/some-security-guards-can-carry-guns-but-can-be-charged-for-shooting/ Some security guards in Canada are allowed to carry and use guns, but only if they are guarding cash or precious metals. They also have to apply for a Possession and Acquisition License and work with a security firm approved by the Ontario government. “It’s most common in jewellery stores. Bodyguards are not allowed to carry guns in Canada. It has to be a precious metal or a cash value,” security expert Chris Menary said in an interview. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8990 Posts
On January 15 2020 08:29 gotchaman wrote: Will it be legal for Harry and Meghan to have armed security in Canada? https://globalnews.ca/news/1765700/some-security-guards-can-carry-guns-but-can-be-charged-for-shooting/ Some security guards in Canada are allowed to carry and use guns, but only if they are guarding cash or precious metals. They also have to apply for a Possession and Acquisition License and work with a security firm approved by the Ontario government. “It’s most common in jewellery stores. Bodyguards are not allowed to carry guns in Canada. It has to be a precious metal or a cash value,” security expert Chris Menary said in an interview. It's their problems, everyone else seems to be doing fine without armed security anyway. They just have to go play tourist somewhere else in their empire if they want. Also: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/a-majority-of-canadians-want-prince-harry-to-become-governor-general More than 60 per cent of Canadians said they support the appointment of Prince Harry to governor general, found a Postmedia poll conducted by Dart and Maru/Blue Voice Canada. What the hell, it's not enough that we are stuck bowing to our great majesty representative, can we at least chose people who actually did something great in their life? | ||
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