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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
January 07 2019 01:02 GMT
#1021
On January 07 2019 09:54 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2019 09:52 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On January 07 2019 09:48 GreenHorizons wrote:
Haven't really gotten to Canada in my studies of ML movements but their story does have it's parallels both with the Black Panthers of the past and the hipster socialists we have here now in the US.

can you explain/amplify what "ML movements" means?

Marxist-Leninist inspired movements. Did you want more on what Marxism is or something else?

Thanks for the clarification. i'm vaguely familiar with Marxism. thanks!
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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
January 07 2019 17:52 GMT
#1022
On January 07 2019 08:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
All this government money being spent on public transit and it is resulting in longer commutes. The York University subway extension was funded by the Federal, Provincial and Municipal governments.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2019/01/06/fix-the-transit-fare-fiasco-at-york-u-for-all-our-sakes.html

Show nested quote +
The Liberals had 15 years to get it done, and they let us down. And now the Ford Tories are making things worse by plowing ahead with this patchwork scheme.


The Toronto Star is a very pro-liberal newspaper. Its nice to see them publish an opinion that calls it like it is.


Absolute joke, whats sad is that the Liberals totally deserved to get dumpstered and its ended up with an even stupider replacement. Bad news all round.

JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-08 01:44:54
January 08 2019 01:35 GMT
#1023
On January 08 2019 02:52 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2019 08:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
All this government money being spent on public transit and it is resulting in longer commutes. The York University subway extension was funded by the Federal, Provincial and Municipal governments.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2019/01/06/fix-the-transit-fare-fiasco-at-york-u-for-all-our-sakes.html

The Liberals had 15 years to get it done, and they let us down. And now the Ford Tories are making things worse by plowing ahead with this patchwork scheme.


The Toronto Star is a very pro-liberal newspaper. Its nice to see them publish an opinion that calls it like it is.


Absolute joke, whats sad is that the Liberals totally deserved to get dumpstered and its ended up with an even stupider replacement. Bad news all round.

I do not think Kathleen Wynne is a stupid person. i'd say she is more "book smart" than "street smart". Her intelligence level is fine. Getting Ontario back to what it was ( from say 1960 to 2005 ) is an extremely difficult task. For many decades Ontario had a level of economic opportunity similar to many of the most prosperous US states while at the same time having a very good social safety net. That is damn hard to pull off. Former leaders Davis, Peterson, Rae, and Harris made it happen.

Wynne had a very tough job to do and she failed. That does not mean she is stupid.

Ontario used to be very good. Alas, it is no longer. Mcguinty is the #1 culprit. Wynne inherited his mess.
https://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/2008/04/30/ontario_becoming_a_have_not.html

"Ontario has long been considered Canada's economic engine. Now it's slated to wear a new label: `have-not province.` "
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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-08 04:58:52
January 08 2019 04:54 GMT
#1024
On January 08 2019 10:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2019 02:52 Rebs wrote:
On January 07 2019 08:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
All this government money being spent on public transit and it is resulting in longer commutes. The York University subway extension was funded by the Federal, Provincial and Municipal governments.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2019/01/06/fix-the-transit-fare-fiasco-at-york-u-for-all-our-sakes.html

The Liberals had 15 years to get it done, and they let us down. And now the Ford Tories are making things worse by plowing ahead with this patchwork scheme.


The Toronto Star is a very pro-liberal newspaper. Its nice to see them publish an opinion that calls it like it is.


Absolute joke, whats sad is that the Liberals totally deserved to get dumpstered and its ended up with an even stupider replacement. Bad news all round.

I do not think Kathleen Wynne is a stupid person. i'd say she is more "book smart" than "street smart". Her intelligence level is fine. Getting Ontario back to what it was ( from say 1960 to 2005 ) is an extremely difficult task. For many decades Ontario had a level of economic opportunity similar to many of the most prosperous US states while at the same time having a very good social safety net. That is damn hard to pull off. Former leaders Davis, Peterson, Rae, and Harris made it happen.

Wynne had a very tough job to do and she failed. That does not mean she is stupid.

Ontario used to be very good. Alas, it is no longer. Mcguinty is the #1 culprit. Wynne inherited his mess.
https://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/2008/04/30/ontario_becoming_a_have_not.html

"Ontario has long been considered Canada's economic engine. Now it's slated to wear a new label: `have-not province.` "


Kathleen Wynne was very much stupid on some issues. You might call it out of touch. I dont have any issues with the level of prosperity in Ontario persay. I dont blame them for any of the difficulties in terms of housing, affordability and such because that was a natural progression that if anything they probably stemmed the best they could. They weren't going to save manufacturing and they wont, you cant move toward a knowledge economy and except manufacturing to stay put.

What I do have a problem with is that if you are going to let all real estate markets overperfrom like crazy and then end up spending your resources poorly its not a good sell. Its one thing to do the wrong thing, its another to be told what the right thing is, say your going to do it then do the wrong thing or just do it wrong.

And thats what they did on alot of issues constantly, Hydro and Transit to name a few. I didnt get affected by the carbon pricing and while it didnt bother me.I also understand why its important and I strongly agree with it. But I understand why it bothered people. (and the PC version is actually monumentally worse, its the most insincere piece of shit lip service to climate management I have ever seen thats still going to end up costing money.

Transit isnt an issue for me. My commute is barely 30 mins door to door from St George St to 401 where I work and yet somehow people working on King St manage to have harder time getting to work on the same line in about the same amouint of time. Less than a quarter of the distance If thats happening something is seriously wrong.

You also have to remember that alot of people are single issue voters. And you cant fuck up things on certain issues so badly that it wrecks all of the good things you do wrong.

To be perfectly aside from being able to buy a house comfortably (which I dont want to do) I am very comfortable but I still find the Liberals Govt in Ont to have completely lost the plot between when I moved here and the last 2 or so years.

I like Kathleen Wynne, she was sincere and an intellectual. But she was a mediocre administrator and poor policy maker, especially given the tools she had in terms of the people I know work for her. Too much waste on pie in the sky shit and not enough real work. Thats the Liberal Govt of Ont Asking for pre 2005 prosperity is too much. But keeping shit together shouldnt be impossible.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11350 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-08 05:50:07
January 08 2019 05:45 GMT
#1025
On January 07 2019 09:00 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
They were the PC Party of Canada from 1942 to 2003. They went from "Progressive Conservative" Party of Canada to the "Conservative Party of Canada" in 2003 when they merged with the Canadian Alliance.

I think the name "Progressive Conservative" Party was them trying to say " we are `right of center` .. we are not far-right-wing "

Actually, while that may be true during the Mulroney and Joe Clark era (Red Tories) that's not really exactly it, or at least not originally. I always assumed because there was a Progressive party that it was an alliance between the Progressives and Conservatives, but that seemed weird because the Progressives and the CCF tended to back Liberal policies more than Conservatives. (And Liberals tended to steal Progressive and CCF platform promises to prevent flanking on the left.)

Turns out it was a recruiting effort. John Bracken was the Progressive premier in Manitoba, but federal Conservatives wanted him to be their leader. He only agreed if they changed the name. Didn't work though. Most of the Progressives didn't join the Conservatives. Then the Progressive Conservatives lost the '45 election to King and then Bracken lost his seat in '49. But the name stuck.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
January 25 2019 14:42 GMT
#1026
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-26 22:33:19
January 26 2019 22:07 GMT
#1027
https://www.thestar.com/vancouver/2019/01/25/it-would-be-great-for-canada-if-us-drops-extradition-request-for-huaweis-meng-wanzhou-ambassador-says.html

Trudeau "asked" McCallum to resign...and McCallum just resigned. I think he wanted out... he had to know his kind of talk would lead to this outcome.
On January 08 2019 14:45 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2019 09:00 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
They were the PC Party of Canada from 1942 to 2003. They went from "Progressive Conservative" Party of Canada to the "Conservative Party of Canada" in 2003 when they merged with the Canadian Alliance.

I think the name "Progressive Conservative" Party was them trying to say " we are `right of center` .. we are not far-right-wing "

Actually, while that may be true during the Mulroney and Joe Clark era (Red Tories) that's not really exactly it, or at least not originally. I always assumed because there was a Progressive party that it was an alliance between the Progressives and Conservatives,

i think the "right of center" positioning continued beyond Mulroney's departure in early 1993. Under Campbell, Charest ,and Clark they continued their "right of center" position. During the Charest/Clark time the Reform and then Alliance parties were the right wing party. The PCs positioned themselves as "right of" the Libereals and "left of" the Reform/Alliance. The # of PCs defecting to the Liberals in the 1990s is another indicator of the PCs "right of center" positioning. Its not a very big ideological swing.
On January 07 2019 08:46 GreenHorizons wrote:
This caused me to somehow finally discover that Canada has a political party that calls itself "The Progressive Conservative" party or "The PC party" for short. I don't even know what to say to that other than wow.

On January 08 2019 14:45 Falling wrote:
Turns out it was a recruiting effort. John Bracken was the Progressive premier in Manitoba, but federal Conservatives wanted him to be their leader. He only agreed if they changed the name. Didn't work though. Most of the Progressives didn't join the Conservatives. Then the Progressive Conservatives lost the '45 election to King and then Bracken lost his seat in '49. But the name stuck.

LOL, its pretty hilarious how the PC name was created. i guess if that's what it takes to make a deal.. good on them for negotiating an unusual compromise.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-26 23:16:55
January 26 2019 23:15 GMT
#1028
Remember when they were going to change their name to the Canadian Reform Alliance Party and then immediately somebody was like "hey doesn't that spell CRAP?" rofl

I guess there was another C in there for conservative but w/e point still stands xD
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9653 Posts
January 26 2019 23:30 GMT
#1029
On January 27 2019 07:07 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
https://www.thestar.com/vancouver/2019/01/25/it-would-be-great-for-canada-if-us-drops-extradition-request-for-huaweis-meng-wanzhou-ambassador-says.html

Trudeau "asked" McCallum to resign...and McCallum just resigned. I think he wanted out... he had to know his kind of talk would lead to this outcome.

To be fair that probably isn't the safest job you could have right now anyway.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11350 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-27 05:54:09
January 27 2019 05:53 GMT
#1030
To be fair, their name did not have 'party' in it. Similar to the Block Quebecois. So it would have been CCRA. However, the media were quick to note what happens if you add 'party' to the end, it spells CCRAP. Amusing to be sure.

(I can't remember if it was Air Farce or 22 Minutes who had a mock interview asking if CRAP should be elected to government, to which the 'voter' said "I don't see why not- it's what we've had for the last number of years.")
I wish I could find the original clip.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
January 27 2019 07:52 GMT
#1031
On January 25 2019 23:42 JimmiC wrote:
So far the entities to put there support behind Maduro in Venezuela are Syria, China, Russia, Iran, Cuba, Turkey, and the NDP party of Canada. It is sad that their foreign policy is basically ifthe US and Brazil support it we are against it. I expect more from a major party leader. It is sad I want a left party I can support but this level of lack of basic research into what Maduro has done and is doing to his people is embarrassing.


The German left party is also on that side. In their statement they said that in this they follow the Foro de Sao Paulo (Organisation of Latin American left parties) who are pro Maduro. So maybe that is why Canadas left party supports it, too.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
January 27 2019 13:56 GMT
#1032
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-27 15:57:53
January 27 2019 15:24 GMT
#1033
On January 25 2019 23:42 JimmiC wrote:
So far the entities to put there support behind Maduro in Venezuela are Syria, China, Russia, Iran, Cuba, Turkey, and the NDP party of Canada. It is sad that their foreign policy is basically ifthe US and Brazil support it we are against it. I expect more from a major party leader. It is sad I want a left party I can support but this level of lack of basic research into what Maduro has done and is doing to his people is embarrassing.

On January 24th The NDP's position on Maduro is not exactly 100% positive.

"An NDP official speaking on background told CBC News that the party condemns the actions of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, calling him a thug, but would not cut ties with the leader and would continue to recognize his government. "

Singh does not want our policy to 100% mirror the US position.
"Canada should not simply follow the U.S.'s foreign policy, particularly given its history of self-interested interference in the region,"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/singh-ndp-liberals-venezuela-1.4991913

Singh has done a nice job framing this issue. No idea how good of a politician Singh is over all.. he is doing well in this area though.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
January 27 2019 18:11 GMT
#1034
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iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
January 28 2019 09:39 GMT
#1035
On January 28 2019 03:11 JimmiC wrote:
As I just mentioned above, the parties official message was much better than the tweets.


Twitter is a bad forum for politics. Who knew?
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-28 13:30:30
January 28 2019 13:18 GMT
#1036
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-29 00:03:34
January 28 2019 23:52 GMT
#1037
Noted conservative William F. Buckley hosted an intense, hard-core politics show called "Firing Line". The show aired from 1966 to 1999.

I'm a big fan of the Canadian version: 3D Firing Line. Using new 3D technology.
At the 4:35 mark we get a look at Yonge Street and China Town in Toronto in the 80s... interesting to see how things have changed.
+ Show Spoiler +


This form of off-beat, bizarre Canadian humour is still alive today. Nathan Fielder's show "Nathan For You" is just as twisted and absurd as the comedy of SCTV.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Taelshin
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada418 Posts
January 31 2019 14:19 GMT
#1038
Maxine Bernie on the Rubin report yesterday. Pretty interesting discussion, Don't know as much about him as I maybe should. Seems like a brass tax sort of guy.

part1


part2


"We didnt listen"
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-01 13:05:38
February 01 2019 13:03 GMT
#1039
On January 28 2019 22:18 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2019 18:39 iamthedave wrote:
On January 28 2019 03:11 JimmiC wrote:
As I just mentioned above, the parties official message was much better than the tweets.


Twitter is a bad forum for politics. Who knew?

Pretty good one to get the opinions of the MPs but ill remember your opinions when you comment on trumps twitter. Also notice how I follow up with corrections comparer to you who just keeps spouting ill informed opinions as facts and bad one liners.

Much like the world didnt name Juan president. He named himself acting president as leader of the national assembly until fair elections can be held. And the (free) world supported that. You still cant get even the order right. Even after corrected multiple times. I mean it shows your level of knowledge when you made that 8 day comment which was clearly an opinion based on reading the title of an article and not the whole thing because I'm sure even you have the reading comprehension to have figured out what they meant if you actually read it.


Do you want to take something to calm down and then try reposting that to make some sort of coherent sense? And fear not, you'll find me quite coherent on Trump's twitter.

It's also quite amusing to see you having a go at my reading comprehension when I've explained to you my stance on multiple things in clear, simple language and you still don't get it. Something something stones something something glass houses. Your own reading comprehension seems to be at such a remedial level that despite multiple posters in multiple threads all expressing doubts at differing levels of complexity you still can't get your head around a multiplicity of viewpoints on your current obsession.

But by all means continue. Your foaming at the mouth is amusing. I'm so, so sorry that I committed the cardinal sin of not agreeing with you on the issue of Venezuala.

Also, are you actually arguing that twitter is a good forum for politics? Is that your view?
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12201 Posts
February 01 2019 13:22 GMT
#1040
The Rubin Report has been useless for most of its existence - on top of being terrible -, but lately it can sort of be used in a "if you're a guest there I can decide you're bad without further research" type of way. That's some good to come out of the channel at least; I don't always have time for everyone.
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