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On February 14 2015 00:18 ComaDose wrote:
where do you guys get the idea that Action for Healthy Kids wants to give these bars to kids anyway? That's the company they are raising money for. weather you think the bars are good for you or not has to do with your diet and exercise but raising money to aid young health with preventative measures is a pretty good idea.
As you can read in this topic most here have problems with branding. Also as you can further read many here are supportive for actions that challenge current lifestyles and feeding habits of American children. The problem is that when you associate "health" label with unhealthy product the advertiser is the bigger winner here, not the children. The misconception about what to eat and what should be desirable healthy product is so big (you can even see it in this very topic) that it's quite obnoxious.
There is no easy solution. The most honorable would be mentioning in the TL/Quest Bars that processed unhealthy foods like Quest Bars are one of the reasons of such problems are here and they just want to give money so they can undo some damage such foods are making. Without such info someone who is uninformed (and I think most kids are - and if not they are prone to misinformation) make take products as Quest Bars as healthy. This is the danger that most people here have problem with. I think you see it yourself as well, so it's more about raising awareness instead of trying to pass along the snake oil.
It's somewhat like McDonald's introducing salads to their menu so people can not worry about it being unhealthy. Same danger here. The message has to be straightforward and based on truth to be ethical in such actions. The topic here is very serious so I'm for one very glad most people here are angry and disappointment, that shows that education on nutrition and health of children is raising. When I was young no such voices would have happened. 
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Its a pretty healthy protein bar for those with lifestyles that could benefit from protein bars tho.
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On February 14 2015 02:07 MLG X Factor wrote:
For everyone that is trashing the quality of Quest Bars, have you looked up the nutrition info of the bars? It is a low carb, high fiber protein bar. Fairly tasty too. But just because it is a cookie dough or cookies and cream flavor, it doesn't mean it has actual cookie dough or oreos in it. They also have dozens of other flavors.
It has 300 calories per 100g. Compare that with pure chicken (115 cal) and hard candy (390 cal). But it could be a lot worse.
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On February 14 2015 04:07 ComaDose wrote:
Its a pretty healthy protein bar for those with lifestyles that could benefit from protein bars tho.
This may be true (although some Google search about their products told me otherwise). Shame that no one in the developed/developing world needs protein except bodybuilders or ppl that have clinical underweight. 
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On February 14 2015 04:07 ComaDose wrote:
Its a pretty healthy protein bar for those with lifestyles that could benefit from protein bars tho.
i wouldn't say it's healthy but it's much less unhealthy than similar-looking cereal bars
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On February 14 2015 03:59 [BSP]Kain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 00:18 ComaDose wrote:
where do you guys get the idea that Action for Healthy Kids wants to give these bars to kids anyway? That's the company they are raising money for. weather you think the bars are good for you or not has to do with your diet and exercise but raising money to aid young health with preventative measures is a pretty good idea. As you can read in this topic most here have problems with branding. Also as you can further read many here are supportive for actions that challenge current lifestyles and feeding habits of American children. The problem is that when you associate "health" label with unhealthy product the advertiser is the bigger winner here, not the children. The misconception about what to eat and what should be desirable healthy product is so big (you can even see it in this very topic) that it's quite obnoxious. There is no easy solution. The most honorable would be mentioning in the TL/Quest Bars that processed unhealthy foods like Quest Bars are one of the reasons of such problems are here and they just want to give money so they can undo some damage such foods are making. Without such info someone who is uninformed (and I think most kids are - and if not they are prone to misinformation) make take products as Quest Bars as healthy. This is the danger that most people here have problem with. I think you see it yourself as well, so it's more about raising awareness instead of trying to pass along the snake oil. It's somewhat like McDonald's introducing salads to their menu so people can not worry about it being unhealthy. Same danger here. The message has to be straightforward and based on truth to be ethical in such actions. The topic here is very serious so I'm for one very glad most people here are angry and disappointment, that shows that education on nutrition and health of children is raising. When I was young no such voices would have happened.
Well said... TY TY
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On February 14 2015 03:59 [BSP]Kain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 00:18 ComaDose wrote:
where do you guys get the idea that Action for Healthy Kids wants to give these bars to kids anyway? That's the company they are raising money for. weather you think the bars are good for you or not has to do with your diet and exercise but raising money to aid young health with preventative measures is a pretty good idea. As you can read in this topic most here have problems with branding. Also as you can further read many here are supportive for actions that challenge current lifestyles and feeding habits of American children. The problem is that when you associate "health" label with unhealthy product the advertiser is the bigger winner here, not the children. The misconception about what to eat and what should be desirable healthy product is so big (you can even see it in this very topic) that it's quite obnoxious. There is no easy solution. The most honorable would be mentioning in the TL/Quest Bars that processed unhealthy foods like Quest Bars are one of the reasons of such problems are here and they just want to give money so they can undo some damage such foods are making. Without such info someone who is uninformed (and I think most kids are - and if not they are prone to misinformation) make take products as Quest Bars as healthy. This is the danger that most people here have problem with. I think you see it yourself as well, so it's more about raising awareness instead of trying to pass along the snake oil. It's somewhat like McDonald's introducing salads to their menu so people can not worry about it being unhealthy. Same danger here. The message has to be straightforward and based on truth to be ethical in such actions. The topic here is very serious so I'm for one very glad most people here are angry and disappointment, that shows that education on nutrition and health of children is raising. When I was young no such voices would have happened.
so, if CocaCola and Pepsi said they were donating $2,000,000,000 to Action for Healthy Kids, you all would still bitch because (as everyone knows) soda is unhealthy? really? they are giving free money away when they don't have to.
your "most honorable" is really stupid. who is going to pay money to denigrate their own product?
it sounds like you prefer not doing anything than actually funding good organizations. plus, even assuming this was a form of advertising (questionable), the target is young adults, not children. the likelihood of young adults being misled is questionable as well.
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donating $2,000,000,000 to Action for Healthy Kids is fine but saying that Cola and Pepsi(the companies) help kids stay healthy its a stretch to say the least.
it's like saying that donations for cancer research are curing cancer ...
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On February 14 2015 05:32 xM(Z wrote:
donating $2,000,000,000 to Action for Healthy Kids is fine but saying that Cola and Pepsi(the companies) help kids stay healthy its a stretch to say the least.
it's like saying that donations for cancer research are curing cancer ...
I had a feeling peoples problem was with the OP title. The comparisons people are drawing are totally ridiculous though.
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On February 14 2015 04:47 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 03:59 [BSP]Kain wrote:On February 14 2015 00:18 ComaDose wrote:
where do you guys get the idea that Action for Healthy Kids wants to give these bars to kids anyway? That's the company they are raising money for. weather you think the bars are good for you or not has to do with your diet and exercise but raising money to aid young health with preventative measures is a pretty good idea. As you can read in this topic most here have problems with branding. Also as you can further read many here are supportive for actions that challenge current lifestyles and feeding habits of American children. The problem is that when you associate "health" label with unhealthy product the advertiser is the bigger winner here, not the children. The misconception about what to eat and what should be desirable healthy product is so big (you can even see it in this very topic) that it's quite obnoxious. There is no easy solution. The most honorable would be mentioning in the TL/Quest Bars that processed unhealthy foods like Quest Bars are one of the reasons of such problems are here and they just want to give money so they can undo some damage such foods are making. Without such info someone who is uninformed (and I think most kids are - and if not they are prone to misinformation) make take products as Quest Bars as healthy. This is the danger that most people here have problem with. I think you see it yourself as well, so it's more about raising awareness instead of trying to pass along the snake oil. It's somewhat like McDonald's introducing salads to their menu so people can not worry about it being unhealthy. Same danger here. The message has to be straightforward and based on truth to be ethical in such actions. The topic here is very serious so I'm for one very glad most people here are angry and disappointment, that shows that education on nutrition and health of children is raising. When I was young no such voices would have happened. so, if CocaCola and Pepsi said they were donating $2,000,000,000 to Action for Healthy Kids, you all would still bitch because (as everyone knows) soda is unhealthy? really? they are giving free money away when they don't have to. your "most honorable" is really stupid. who is going to pay money to denigrate their own product? it sounds like you prefer not doing anything than actually funding good organizations. plus, even assuming this was a form of advertising (questionable), the target is young adults, not children. the likelihood of young adults being misled is questionable as well.
Hey dAPhREAk, sorry my post made you so angry, that wasn't my intention, also I think you have slightly misunderstood me. 
As I tried to point out in reply that you have quoted the issue is with branding. No one here has problems with donating money to the noble NGO.
If such a big players like Pepsi or CocaCola would donate money for action and >nowhere< would be mentioned that they have a big part in this problem then yes I would have my objections. As the physicians say treating of symptoms is not the same as preemptive actions. If Cola/Pepsi/XYZ would donate so big money and no one would raise an alarm that would be really successful advertising for them and additionally misinformation, which in my opinion is unethical. I'm quite sure (although it's just my guess, so can be totally wrong) that not giving 2kkk of dollars and not appearing as healthy product would be better for children, which don't have all the necessary tools to know what will harm them in the long run.
Also you state that they give "free money". Are you sure? Marketing doesn't work like that. I'm more than sure that awareness of their brand and products can be easily counted, I know that thee are even companies that make their living of advertising, so I don't really think that getting to the people with your brand is "free". That's now how world works.
Can you elaborate why do you think my "honorable point" is stupid? If you mean it's stupid I assume you think it's not as fair as I stated it? Or you mean it's unrealistic? If so then I totally agree with you and I never said it is realistic. But it's noble and ethical, can't we agree?
it sounds like you prefer not doing anything than actually funding good organizations.
That's quite harsh for me and my life choices. Can you point where I said it's better to not do anything? I just really believe in proper information, knowledge and preemptive approach to solve children and adults health issues. If that's true of what some poster above me said - that their 100g has 300 calories then it's really a big problem even for normal, adult people unless they are body builders or heavy physical workers.
plus, even assuming this was a form of advertising (questionable), the target is young adults, not children. the likelihood of young adults being misled is questionable as well.
Most of gamers are young. I cannot think of better target than gaming sites to be honest if I want to sell what this company is. I think that it is very good strategy of Quest Bars to get into this TL collaboration.
Also if your point is true and they are not going for the recognition then why won't they donate this money anonymously?
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Your understanding of gamers is as immature as you claim gamers to be. Check out the TL census and see why.
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On February 14 2015 05:32 xM(Z wrote:
donating $2,000,000,000 to Action for Healthy Kids is fine but saying that Cola and Pepsi(the companies) help kids stay healthy its a stretch to say the least.
it's like saying that donations for cancer research are curing cancer ...
it actually is not a stretch. if you donate money to an organization dedicated to helping kids stay healthy then you are in fact helping kids stay healthy.
if quest was conditioning the donation on Action for Healthy Kids endorsing its product as healthy then there would be something to get your panties all in a bunch, but i have, as of yet, seen no such thing.
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On February 14 2015 05:38 [BSP]Kain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 04:47 dAPhREAk wrote:On February 14 2015 03:59 [BSP]Kain wrote:On February 14 2015 00:18 ComaDose wrote:
where do you guys get the idea that Action for Healthy Kids wants to give these bars to kids anyway? That's the company they are raising money for. weather you think the bars are good for you or not has to do with your diet and exercise but raising money to aid young health with preventative measures is a pretty good idea. As you can read in this topic most here have problems with branding. Also as you can further read many here are supportive for actions that challenge current lifestyles and feeding habits of American children. The problem is that when you associate "health" label with unhealthy product the advertiser is the bigger winner here, not the children. The misconception about what to eat and what should be desirable healthy product is so big (you can even see it in this very topic) that it's quite obnoxious. There is no easy solution. The most honorable would be mentioning in the TL/Quest Bars that processed unhealthy foods like Quest Bars are one of the reasons of such problems are here and they just want to give money so they can undo some damage such foods are making. Without such info someone who is uninformed (and I think most kids are - and if not they are prone to misinformation) make take products as Quest Bars as healthy. This is the danger that most people here have problem with. I think you see it yourself as well, so it's more about raising awareness instead of trying to pass along the snake oil. It's somewhat like McDonald's introducing salads to their menu so people can not worry about it being unhealthy. Same danger here. The message has to be straightforward and based on truth to be ethical in such actions. The topic here is very serious so I'm for one very glad most people here are angry and disappointment, that shows that education on nutrition and health of children is raising. When I was young no such voices would have happened. so, if CocaCola and Pepsi said they were donating $2,000,000,000 to Action for Healthy Kids, you all would still bitch because (as everyone knows) soda is unhealthy? really? they are giving free money away when they don't have to. your "most honorable" is really stupid. who is going to pay money to denigrate their own product? it sounds like you prefer not doing anything than actually funding good organizations. plus, even assuming this was a form of advertising (questionable), the target is young adults, not children. the likelihood of young adults being misled is questionable as well. Hey dAPhREAk, sorry my post made you so angry, that wasn't my intention, also I think you have slightly misunderstood me. As I tried to point out in reply that you have quoted the issue is with branding. No one here has problems with donating money to the noble NGO. If such a big players like Pepsi or CocaCola would donate money for action and >nowhere< would be mentioned that they have a big part in this problem then yes I would have my objections. As the physicians say treating of symptoms is not the same as preemptive actions. If Cola/Pepsi/XYZ would donate so big money and no one would raise an alarm that would be really successful advertising for them and additionally misinformation, which in my opinion is unethical. I'm quite sure (although it's just my guess, so can be totally wrong) that not giving 2kkk of dollars and not appearing as healthy product would be better for children, which don't have all the necessary tools to know what will harm them in the long run. Also you state that they give "free money". Are you sure? Marketing doesn't work like that. I'm more than sure that awareness of their brand and products can be easily counted, I know that thee are even companies that make their living of advertising, so I don't really think that getting to the people with your brand is "free". That's now how world works. Can you elaborate why do you think my "honorable point" is stupid? If you mean it's stupid I assume you think it's not as fair as I stated it? Or you mean it's unrealistic? If so then I totally agree with you and I never said it is realistic. But it's noble and ethical, can't we agree? Show nested quote +it sounds like you prefer not doing anything than actually funding good organizations. That's quite harsh for me and my life choices. Can you point where I said it's better to not do anything? I just really believe in proper information, knowledge and preemptive approach to solve children and adults health issues. If that's true of what some poster above me said - that their 100g has 300 calories then it's really a big problem even for normal, adult people unless they are body builders or heavy physical workers. Show nested quote + plus, even assuming this was a form of advertising (questionable), the target is young adults, not children. the likelihood of young adults being misled is questionable as well. Most of gamers are young. I cannot think of better target than gaming sites to be honest if I want to sell what this company is. I think that it is very good strategy of Quest Bars to get into this TL collaboration. Also if your point is true and they are not going for the recognition then why won't they donate this money anonymously?
corporations routinely donate money to make themselves look better and increase awareness of their brand. quest obviously wants tl members to learn about their product so they can make more sales, and i am sure tl is getting something out of this as well. there is no misinformation because quest is not claiming that its products are "healthy" at least through this specific campaign. whether they do elsewhere is irrelevant to this discussion. there is nothing unethical about a company giving away its money to a good organization--its quite the opposite.
as for whether this is free or not, is action for healthy kids giving them anything? no. its free money for action for healthy kids. obviously quest and tl are getting something out of it.
your honorable point is stupid because you are saying a company should pay its own money to fuck up its own brand image. how stupid is that? its also illegal and would result in shareholder lawsuits.
as for not doing anything, tl and quest came up with a good campaign to get money to a needy organization, and you spend your time bashing on it. so, yes, i question you.
farv addressed your intimate knowledge of tl.net members.
finally, why would they donate it anonymously? quest is a for profit corporation, its not a charity organization for fucks sake.
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On February 14 2015 05:40 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 05:32 xM(Z wrote:
donating $2,000,000,000 to Action for Healthy Kids is fine but saying that Cola and Pepsi(the companies) help kids stay healthy its a stretch to say the least.
it's like saying that donations for cancer research are curing cancer ... it actually is not a stretch. if you donate money to an organization dedicated to helping kids stay healthy then you are in fact helping kids stay healthy. if quest was conditioning the donation on Action for Healthy Kids endorsing its product as healthy then there would be something to get your panties all in a bunch, but i have, as of yet, seen no such thing.
i'd call that (at most)helping by proxy which basically means you're really not involved in helping at all. you just give money then hope/assume that the person/company you gave money to will do the job for you.
i see helping as a hands on thing.
i mean, sure, you can take credit for helping if you donate but you're actually not doing anything.
Edit: the bottom line is this: - TL & Quest Nutrition Are Helping Action For Healthy Kids Help Kids Stay Healthy.
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Is this campaign really that bad? I agree, Quest is trying to brand itself as healthy, without actually being healthy. However, this campaign is not as bad as Coca cola's health campaign a few years ago.
And to the others that see the good outweigh the bad, lets be honest here. Marketing can easily sway the minds of the naive and gullible. Some of us need to spread awareness of underhanded marketing techniques, and this is one of them. Just because many of us see the good, lets not be blind to the bad, and lets keep this thread from getting ugly.
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i am curious what "bad" quest has done. i searched but did not find a single mention of this on their site. the only things i found were things teamliquid has said. as far as we know, quest may just be donating protein bars for sale with tl shirts and may not even know that the funds are being donated (doubtful, but no evidence to the contrary).
shouldnt we be bashing teamliquid? a site that promotes obesity by offering forums for endless hours of trivial debate, streams for us to watch on our computer while drinking mt dew and munching funyuns and endless encouragement to spend hours playing video games? sure, it has health and fitness forums if you have the time and energy to search for it. i mean, its not even on the front page!!! all the children will never find it. how dare they say they promote the health of kids when they are basically contributing to their obesity.
and violence has been linked to video games, so there is that.
fuck you teamliquid!!!
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On February 14 2015 06:40 dAPhREAk wrote:
i am curious what "bad" quest has done. i searched but did not find a single mention of this on their site. the only things i found were things teamliquid has said. as far as we know, quest may just be donating protein bars for sale with tl shirts and may not even know that the funds are being donated (doubtful, but no evidence to the contrary).
shouldnt we be bashing teamliquid? a site that promotes obesity by offering forums for endless hours of trivial debate, streams for us to watch on our computer while drinking mt dew and munching funyuns and endless encouragement to spend hours playing video games? sure, it has health and fitness forums if you have the time and energy to search for it. i mean, its not even on the front page!!! all the children will never find it. how dare they say they promote the health of kids when they are basically contributing to their obesity.
and violence has been linked to video games, so there is that.
fuck you teamliquid!!!
Yeah what is team liquid thinking helping children to hide the fact that they promote a sedentary and unhealthy lifestyle...
This kind of deceptive advertising should get Lichter banned...
Also AGDQ should not accept any credit for helping people prevent cancer since playing video games doesn't "actually do anything"....
Seriously get a grip people.
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On February 14 2015 06:40 dAPhREAk wrote:
i am curious what "bad" quest has done. i searched but did not find a single mention of this on their site. the only things i found were things teamliquid has said. as far as we know, quest may just be donating protein bars for sale with tl shirts and may not even know that the funds are being donated (doubtful, but no evidence to the contrary).
shouldnt we be bashing teamliquid? a site that promotes obesity by offering forums for endless hours of trivial debate, streams for us to watch on our computer while drinking mt dew and munching funyuns and endless encouragement to spend hours playing video games? sure, it has health and fitness forums if you have the time and energy to search for it. i mean, its not even on the front page!!! all the children will never find it. how dare they say they promote the health of kids when they are basically contributing to their obesity.
and violence has been linked to video games, so there is that.
fuck you teamliquid!!!
I'm assuming this is sarcasm. on topic I would like to know more about how quest bars is involved such as whether they're just donating bars. I'd guess their helping liquid offset the cost so liquid can actually afford to donate the proceeds (although I'd like to know what is meant by this.) as to doing something yourself it's better to give the money to people who know what their doing than to try to do something yourself a lot of the time.A lot of organizations don't have the time/energy commitment/knowledge to be able to set up their own charity and make sure it's run efficiently
also the organization is question sounds pretty legit
http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=11020
although you could argue that its putty too much emphasis on schools themselvees but I don't know enough to comment on that.
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Bought a shirt. Kinda like the clean white motif. My friend didn't like the huge TL log on the back though (in comparison to the normal TL logos on the backs of other shirts).
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On February 14 2015 04:47 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 03:59 [BSP]Kain wrote:On February 14 2015 00:18 ComaDose wrote:
where do you guys get the idea that Action for Healthy Kids wants to give these bars to kids anyway? That's the company they are raising money for. weather you think the bars are good for you or not has to do with your diet and exercise but raising money to aid young health with preventative measures is a pretty good idea. As you can read in this topic most here have problems with branding. Also as you can further read many here are supportive for actions that challenge current lifestyles and feeding habits of American children. The problem is that when you associate "health" label with unhealthy product the advertiser is the bigger winner here, not the children. The misconception about what to eat and what should be desirable healthy product is so big (you can even see it in this very topic) that it's quite obnoxious. There is no easy solution. The most honorable would be mentioning in the TL/Quest Bars that processed unhealthy foods like Quest Bars are one of the reasons of such problems are here and they just want to give money so they can undo some damage such foods are making. Without such info someone who is uninformed (and I think most kids are - and if not they are prone to misinformation) make take products as Quest Bars as healthy. This is the danger that most people here have problem with. I think you see it yourself as well, so it's more about raising awareness instead of trying to pass along the snake oil. It's somewhat like McDonald's introducing salads to their menu so people can not worry about it being unhealthy. Same danger here. The message has to be straightforward and based on truth to be ethical in such actions. The topic here is very serious so I'm for one very glad most people here are angry and disappointment, that shows that education on nutrition and health of children is raising. When I was young no such voices would have happened. so, if CocaCola and Pepsi said they were donating $2,000,000,000 to Action for Healthy Kids, you all would still bitch because (as everyone knows) soda is unhealthy? really? they are giving free money away when they don't have to. your "most honorable" is really stupid. who is going to pay money to denigrate their own product? it sounds like you prefer not doing anything than actually funding good organizations. plus, even assuming this was a form of advertising (questionable), the target is young adults, not children. the likelihood of young adults being misled is questionable as well.
Let's say Marlboro or Camel donated $10,000,000 to a cancer research institute. Yes, I would applaud them for giving money to an institute that most likely will help prevent all forms of cancer, not just ones created by cigarettes. AND...
Yes I would still bitch. Because F**KING cigarettes contribute to CANCER :D
It's not that donating money to good causes is a bad thing in anyway, but I don't think products like these bars really promote health (TL included, esports = sedentary activity). I don't think there is a single nutritionist out there that would recommend a product like the oreo bar to their client. If I had to choose between a "big mac" and one of these bars, I would choose one of these bars, and that doesn't make it a healthy food choice. There is a MASSIVE amount of misinformation about what is healthy food and what isn't, I don't really respect promotions like this because they give the impression (in my opinion they give the impression) that these products are healthy food choices... when they aren't.
My guess is that if they really educate kids about healthy eating, they will actually have to denigrate their own product. That's up to the organization that does the education. Maybe I a pessimist, but I have doubts that kids will really get a good education on the subject. And if they get a good education about how processed foods aren't optimal health they will look the sponsor and be confused why the program is sponsor by someone that sells a less than healthy product.
A message I would respect is one that says, "Hey kids its TL and Quest here. While we promote video games and that can contribute to obesity, we are donating to this organization to get kids more active. We think video games and sedentary activities are great, and we also want children's lives to be balanced. So we are going to try help promote getting physically active and healthier."
Now replace video games with "oreo protein bars", obesity with "less optimal health", and physically active with "healthier food choices" and you have a more accurate message I can get behind.
"It's a good cause and I regret not eating vegetables until I was in my 20s. You can find the tees in the store or by clicking the link above. Eat healthy, kids." - I get this is just part of the OP, but that's the kind of mixed message that causes confusion. Eat healthy, enjoy the tees and your two free oreo bars.
That being said... I didn't contribute any money this year to children's health XD
I just had to share my opinion... such impulsive... much selfish
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