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On February 17 2015 00:07 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 21:27 marvellosity wrote:On February 16 2015 20:57 xM(Z wrote:
protein abuse can damage kidneys and can cause liver to build up ammonia in the blood.
oh, and Coca Cola doesn't claim it helps olympians stay healthy. not in individuals with healthy kidneys, no. i'd say science in this case is incomplete/debatable at best: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3602135/Show nested quote +Results
Baseline cystatin C-based eGFR was 92.0±16.3 (SD) mL/min/1.73 m2. Compared with the carbohydrate and unsaturated fat diets, the protein diet increased cystatin C-based eGFR by ~4 mL/min/1.73 m2 (P < 0.001). The effects of the protein diet on kidney function were independent of changes in blood pressure. There was no significant difference between the carbohydrate and unsaturated fat diets. Show nested quote +Conclusions
A healthy diet rich in protein increased eGFR. Whether long-term consumption of a high-protein diet leads to kidney disease is uncertain. anyway, from an objective pov, this is false/wrong advertising. the fact that capitalism condones/tolerates/expects/ it, is screwed up to begin with. you can subjectify it and excuse it all you want, it'll still be iffy. forever + Show Spoiler +.
I'd say that it's scientifically proven by our peers that the amount of protein a person must consume to damage their body is significantly higher than what nearly every one of us consumes, and eating Quest bars and protein shake still doesn't exceed those limits.
Nobody should consume too much of anything, but being lame and nitpicking at protein just because it's better to eat than straight carbs is pretty to an extent where nobody really cares.
Now, if there's a protein epidemic and people start consuming 3 their daily requirement because they think it's healthy, then we need to start actively criticizing why people are idiots for eating too much of one thing.
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Well this thread turned to a scientific debate quite unexpectedly.
Guys, if you support and believe in this campaign buy a shirt and eat your two Quest bars or give them to a body builder.
If you don't support it, don't buy a shirt and eat whatever you want.
edit: On another note, an ad on TL showed Hot Pockets and Curse.com encouraging gamers to recharge on hot pockets. I don't know about all of you, but after watching Cartman scream for more hotpockets from his mom, I totally stopped eating those delicious little calzone. This is in no way related to the thread, but very similar in theme.
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On February 17 2015 00:07 xM(Z wrote:
from an objective pov, this is false/wrong advertising.
well objectively they didn't advertise anything untrue. subjectively you could extrapolate that they are advertising their product as healthy but they didn't actually do that.
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Why no EU shirt? Am sad again. 
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On February 17 2015 00:07 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 21:27 marvellosity wrote:On February 16 2015 20:57 xM(Z wrote:
protein abuse can damage kidneys and can cause liver to build up ammonia in the blood.
oh, and Coca Cola doesn't claim it helps olympians stay healthy. not in individuals with healthy kidneys, no. i'd say science in this case is incomplete/debatable at best: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3602135/Show nested quote +Results
Baseline cystatin C-based eGFR was 92.0±16.3 (SD) mL/min/1.73 m2. Compared with the carbohydrate and unsaturated fat diets, the protein diet increased cystatin C-based eGFR by ~4 mL/min/1.73 m2 (P < 0.001). The effects of the protein diet on kidney function were independent of changes in blood pressure. There was no significant difference between the carbohydrate and unsaturated fat diets. Show nested quote +Conclusions
A healthy diet rich in protein increased eGFR. Whether long-term consumption of a high-protein diet leads to kidney disease is uncertain. anyway, from an objective pov, this is false/wrong advertising. the fact that capitalism condones/tolerates/expects/ it, is screwed up to begin with. you can subjectify it and excuse it all you want, it'll still be iffy. forever + Show Spoiler +.
As in sports and nutrition has always been, science is way behind empirical evidence
It's pretty much impossible to have permanent side effects from excessive protein consumption unless you had bad kidneys to begin with
Even if your diet was made up of purely whey protein shakes, the lack of essential fats and vitamins would harm you wayyyyyyyy before the excess of proteins
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On February 18 2015 01:37 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 00:07 xM(Z wrote:
from an objective pov, this is false/wrong advertising. well objectively they didn't advertise anything untrue. subjectively you could extrapolate that they are advertising their product as healthy but they didn't actually do that.
until TL or Quest Nutrition run programs that help kids stay healthy, i'll consider this false advertizing and i have no beef with any of the products.
Edit: i make a distinction here based on what help actually entails. for TL and QN help means giving money and for Action For Healthy Kids help means promoting school health. so, since the same word, practically, means 2 different things which have different values, at least a disclaimer is needed here.
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On February 18 2015 03:47 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 01:37 ComaDose wrote:On February 17 2015 00:07 xM(Z wrote:
from an objective pov, this is false/wrong advertising. well objectively they didn't advertise anything untrue. subjectively you could extrapolate that they are advertising their product as healthy but they didn't actually do that. until TL or Quest Nutrition run programs that help kids stay healthy, i'll consider this false advertizing and i have no beef with any of the products. Edit: i make a distinction here based on what help actually entails. for TL and QN help means giving money and for Action For Healthy Kids help means promoting school health. so, since the same word, practically, means 2 different things which have different values, at least a disclaimer is needed here.
And I'll consider it that you don't exist until you make a post on the TL forums...............
Also, promoting health in schools is mostly done through lobbying. Your expectations are way too high if you think changes in schools are going to come through a t-shirt fundraiser.
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Man, actually it has been already proven by scientist that for children animal proteins are vital for brain development, so you defenitely sholdnt regret
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Got the shirt today, ordered small. It's snug but not as snug as the blue TL shirt - the collar area is a bit looser. I like it.
Will take the Quest bar with me to the gym tomorrow. Could be a good snack afterwards on my way to the office.
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On February 13 2015 03:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 02:41 Specialist wrote:
In america, everything that is not fast food is considered healthy lolol America: where pizza is considered a vegetable User was temp banned for this post.
Seriously, states senate passed a table spoon of tomato sauce as a portion of vegetables. its a damn fruit
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On February 13 2015 02:40 aXa wrote:
Wait, how are those cereal bars supposed to be healthy ?
They're protein bars, I eat one after each gym session. It's good for you.
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On February 22 2015 20:49 Firkraag8 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 02:40 aXa wrote:
Wait, how are those cereal bars supposed to be healthy ? They're protein bars, I eat one after each gym session. It's good for you.
XD
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On February 27 2015 10:53 ShambhalaWar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2015 20:49 Firkraag8 wrote:On February 13 2015 02:40 aXa wrote:
Wait, how are those cereal bars supposed to be healthy ? They're protein bars, I eat one after each gym session. It's good for you. XD
I'm confused, what do you mean by just XD?
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On February 28 2015 00:43 Firkraag8 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 10:53 ShambhalaWar wrote:On February 22 2015 20:49 Firkraag8 wrote:On February 13 2015 02:40 aXa wrote:
Wait, how are those cereal bars supposed to be healthy ? They're protein bars, I eat one after each gym session. It's good for you. XD I'm confused, what do you mean by just XD?
I mean, that just because something has protein in it doesn't make it healthy. Unfortunately a product like this (in my opinion) leads people to that belief.
If I put protein in an almond joy candy bar, that doesn't make it healthy because it has protein and peanuts.
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