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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Team Liquid and Quest Gaming have joined forces for a limited edition TL x Quest T-Shirt in order to support Action For Healthy Kids. Each tee will even come with 2 free Quest Bars.
Source: http://www.teamliquidpro.com/news/2015/02/12/tl--quest-nutrition-are-helping-kids-stay-healthy
100% of proceeds will be donated to Action For Healthy Kids, an organization that shares our mutual goals by helping schools across the US provide healthy foods, high quality health and physical education, and comprehensive physical activity to millions of students each year.
Here is a picture of the t-shirts:
It's a good cause and I regret not eating vegetables until I was in my 20s. You can find the tees in the store or by clicking the link above. Eat healthy, kids.
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Wait, how are those cereal bars supposed to be healthy ?
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In america, everything that is not fast food is considered healthy lolol
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Not sure if trolling or not...
-,-'
Edit below : ahahah, ninja'd bro 
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^ two posts summed up all I am afraid.
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That looks very healthy :D
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Cookies and cream chocolate bars.... ideal health food. Not you know... Fruit or something
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On February 13 2015 02:41 Specialist wrote:
In america, everything that is not fast food is considered healthy lolol
So sad. I wish I could invite all of 'murica over here in France for an educational healthy food trip
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that is so ironic somehow^^
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>sucralose
>healthy
clueless fucks
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What does kids health have to do with e-sports?
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On February 13 2015 02:57 gneGne wrote:
What does kids health have to do with e-sports?
People involved in esport have or are kids. Why not after all.
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I think it is supposed to be understood that for every purchase of a t-shirt, money is donated to organisation and parties helping children with food. The specific example is "Action for Healthy Kids." So as far as I can see, the protein bars are not a part of the campaign.
Correct me if I am wrong.
I do not see reason to talk about the bars if the good-willing-intention is money donation to kids in need for food or to change eating habits for a better and more healthy lifestyle.
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I always thought that nutritionists and supplements such as these should be used and endorsed in esports. At least in starcraft, because we all know that those league players just eat frozen dinner from the microwave. :D
edit: english is not my first language.
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On February 13 2015 03:01 TheoMikkelsen wrote:
I think it is supposed to be understood that for every purchase of a t-shirt, money is donated to organisation and parties helping children with food. The specific example is "Action for Healthy Kids." So as far as I can see, the protein bars are not a part of the campaign.
Correct me if I am wrong.
I do not see reason to talk about the bars if the good-willing-intention is money donation to kids in need for food or to change eating habits for a better and more healthy lifestyle.
Team Liquid and Quest Gaming have joined forces for a limited edition TL x Quest T-Shirt in order to support Action For Healthy Kids. Each tee will even come with 2 free Quest Bars.
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Austria24417 Posts
You guys are pretty funny
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
Could I just get the 2 free bars? they look good
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On February 13 2015 03:12 aXa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 03:01 TheoMikkelsen wrote:
I think it is supposed to be understood that for every purchase of a t-shirt, money is donated to organisation and parties helping children with food. The specific example is "Action for Healthy Kids." So as far as I can see, the protein bars are not a part of the campaign.
Correct me if I am wrong.
I do not see reason to talk about the bars if the good-willing-intention is money donation to kids in need for food or to change eating habits for a better and more healthy lifestyle.
Show nested quote +Team Liquid and Quest Gaming have joined forces for a limited edition TL x Quest T-Shirt in order to support Action For Healthy Kids. Each tee will even come with 2 free Quest Bars.
I for one approve of this campaign to get kids to start power lifting, to do oats, GOMAD, squats, and to say no to the smith machine.
What's wrong with it?
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On February 13 2015 02:41 Specialist wrote:
In america, everything that is not fast food is considered healthy lolol
America: where pizza is considered a vegetable
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On February 13 2015 02:51 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Cookies and cream chocolate bars.... ideal health food. Not you know... Fruit or something
Well it's not like the money will be used to deliver those bars to schools. Action for Healthy Kids will use the money for actual food like fruits and vegetables I think.
Still I personally know of other organisations I would want to support first if I have the money. Still a cool deal for people that want to support the idea of healthy food at schools in the US and get a nice shirt out of it .
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Quest isn't listed on actionforhealthykids.org as a sponsor or a core supporter. Basically this is a branding campaign where Quest takes its OREO and cream cookies and try to associate them with the worth "healthy" and "kids" in peoples minds.
Quest also sells Cheddar and Sourcream "protein" chips on their website. No doubt another healthy option for kids.
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On February 13 2015 02:53 aXa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 02:41 Specialist wrote:
In america, everything that is not fast food is considered healthy lolol So sad. I wish I could invite all of 'murica over here in France for an educational healthy food trip
We obviously know that those snacks do not promote a healthy lifestyle.
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On February 13 2015 02:53 aXa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 02:41 Specialist wrote:
In america, everything that is not fast food is considered healthy lolol So sad. I wish I could invite all of 'murica over here in France for an educational healthy food trip
Lol oh the fat American jokes again, never get old...
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This comes across as an April's fools joke, really? 
Edit: I don't see how this is for fans, I'm not walking around with #GamerFood on my Liquid tee, sorry for being so blunt, but this feels pretty cheap.
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we did a class action settlement where action for healthy kids was one of the recipients of the class action proceeds. good organization and anything that gets them money is a good thing.
not sure why people are focusing on whether Quest is a healthy snack.
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I honestly can't tell if this is an humorous parody taking a dig at the increased prevalence of unhealthy food companies sponsoring athletics in a bid to gain the growing healthy market segment or not. If it is, I applaud the joke, but you got to lay it on a bit thicker. Talking about how you regret not eating vegetables until you were in in your 20s isn't obvious enough.
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On February 13 2015 03:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 02:41 Specialist wrote:
In america, everything that is not fast food is considered healthy lolol America: where pizza is considered a vegetable
Only if one of the toppings is Bacon! Yes, I capitalized Bacon...
Seriously though, after almost 5 years I'm still not fully adapted to the lifestyle change (US to Fin).
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On February 13 2015 02:57 gneGne wrote:
What does kids health have to do with e-sports?
Why does it matter if It's relevant to esports or not?
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Nice! Quest bars are the best macro friendly and tasty protein bars on the market. Love all these people posting when they have almost no idea what quest nutrition even is.
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On February 13 2015 03:15 Lorning wrote:
Could I just get the 2 free bars? they look good
Only if you add mayonnaise to them
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If you want kids to be healthy get them to go outside and move around
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On February 13 2015 03:54 Roe wrote:
If you want kids to be healthy get them to go outside and move around
But then they couldn't play Starcraft all day long!
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United States15275 Posts
On February 13 2015 02:40 aXa wrote:
Wait, how are those cereal bars supposed to be healthy ?
The cream provides calcium, and the cookie provides energy. It's doctor-recommended!
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I fail to understand the negative reactions here. Obesity is a major issue in first-world countries right now, and even more so among young people. Obesity does not only leads, obviously, to earlier and more serious health problems, but the cost (I mean the actual cost, the monetary cost) that these health problems have on society is big and is likely to get better. Thus it is of the interest of everyone to help to reduce obesity.
As for the fact that Quest bars aren't exactly healthy, well it's probably true but what do you want, Coca-Cola sponsors the FIFA World Cup too lol. Companies trying to appear more health-friendly by making campaigns like these is neither new nor surprising, and should be welcomed as long as there are no conflicts of interest.
The only thing that bugs me here is that the title refers to Quest Nutrition while the OP says Quest Gaming d:
On February 13 2015 03:54 Roe wrote:
If you want kids to be healthy get them to go outside and move around
Not enough. You can do several hours of sport a day, if you eat only shit food health issues are still more likely to happen than with proper diet.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On February 13 2015 04:00 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 02:40 aXa wrote:
Wait, how are those cereal bars supposed to be healthy ? The cream provides calcium, and the cookie provides energy. It's doctor-recommended!
Its part of the 7 main food catgories: Flames, Salt, Calcium, Sugar, Hatred, Spite, Memes.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On February 13 2015 03:54 Roe wrote:
If you want kids to be healthy get them to go outside and move around
I might note that proper diet is at least as important as exercise. High availability of fast foods and similar unhealthy foods is an issue that needs addressing just as much as kids not getting out enough.
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United States15275 Posts
On February 13 2015 04:10 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 04:00 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 13 2015 02:40 aXa wrote:
Wait, how are those cereal bars supposed to be healthy ? The cream provides calcium, and the cookie provides energy. It's doctor-recommended! Its part of the 7 main food catgories: Flames, Salt, Calcium, Sugar, Hatred, Spite, Memes.
You forgot the 8th secret category: Crushing Guilt.
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I bet every single ingredient in those are healthy :D
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for anyone who doesnt know, quest bars are more or less the only protein bars without a ton of sugar. they have a line without sucralose as well if that stuff bugs you, for whatever reason.
they are popular with people who follow low carbohydrate diets, or for anyone who is sensitive to that kind of thing.
I guess it follows that they are a better alternative to different bars, but thats personal preference. ive purchased them before, they are pretty good if you are on a specialized diet.
tldr, they are one of the best alternatives on the market. stop criticizing something for the sake of criticizing it
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I don't see what the big deal is. This is a good thing for 2 reasons: 1.) It branches esports as a positive motivator, especially when most esports is classified as a bunch of guys playing games hours all day in a dark room with bags of chips and sodas. In actuality, a lot of people who play these games are regular people who exercise, play sports, and do all those things other than just game. 2.) The bar is actually a healthier alternative than most other foods. It's got a good macro nutrient ratio, a lot higher in protein than some other bars which is good for reducing appetite and building muscle, and some of the fat content in the bar is made from healthy fats (almonds and coconut oils). This is not a candy bar. Putting this in a spotlight over other less healthy foods is a good direction to producing healthier younger generation.
Please bar your ignorance in exchange for education. I'm an avid fitness person in and outside of the gym, and seeing you guys talk like it's a bad move need to spend less time writing useless forums posts and more time educating yourself.
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On February 13 2015 04:33 ahw wrote:
for anyone who doesnt know, quest bars are more or less the only protein bars without a ton of sugar. they have a line without sucralose as well if that stuff bugs you, for whatever reason.
they are popular with people who follow low carbohydrate diets, or for anyone who is sensitive to that kind of thing.
I guess it follows that they are a better alternative to different bars, but thats personal preference. ive purchased them before, they are pretty good if you are on a specialized diet.
tldr, they are one of the best alternatives on the market. stop criticizing something for the sake of criticizing it
besides, protein bars should only be eaten during/after strenuous exercise like free lifting or playing outdoor sports, not as a snack while watching TV (which is what most people will associate snacking with...)
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and here's the ingredients for their sucralose brand:
Protein Blend (Whey Protein Isolate, Milk Protein Isolate), Isomalto-Oligosaccharides* (Prebiotic Fiber), Water, Almonds, Cocoa Butter, Erythritol. Contains less than 2% of the following: Cocoa Powder, Natural Flavors, Coconut Oil, Sea Salt, Sunflower Lecithin, Dextrin, Baking Soda, Steviol Glycosides (Stevia), Sucralose.
the Isomalto-Oligosaccharides is a fancy name for what is basically just liquid fiber, which is what holds the bars together. a lot of companies sell this for cooking and baking purposes.
Stevia and sucralose are in some of their bars.
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On February 13 2015 03:26 Legio wrote:
Quest isn't listed on actionforhealthykids.org as a sponsor or a core supporter. Basically this is a branding campaign where Quest takes its OREO and cream cookies and try to associate them with the worth "healthy" and "kids" in peoples minds.
Quest also sells Cheddar and Sourcream "protein" chips on their website. No doubt another healthy option for kids.
Do you not have nutrition labels where you live or do just not know how to read one?
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On February 13 2015 04:38 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 04:33 ahw wrote:
for anyone who doesnt know, quest bars are more or less the only protein bars without a ton of sugar. they have a line without sucralose as well if that stuff bugs you, for whatever reason.
they are popular with people who follow low carbohydrate diets, or for anyone who is sensitive to that kind of thing.
I guess it follows that they are a better alternative to different bars, but thats personal preference. ive purchased them before, they are pretty good if you are on a specialized diet.
tldr, they are one of the best alternatives on the market. stop criticizing something for the sake of criticizing it besides, protein bars should only be eaten during/after strenuous exercise like free lifting or playing outdoor sports, not as a snack while watching TV (which is what most people will associate snacking with...)
Yeah, sure, if thats what you want to do. but I don't see what is wrong with eating a high protein high fibre bar instead of, say, chips or juice or whatever.
Its not like eating protein is bad
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On February 13 2015 04:38 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 04:33 ahw wrote:
for anyone who doesnt know, quest bars are more or less the only protein bars without a ton of sugar. they have a line without sucralose as well if that stuff bugs you, for whatever reason.
they are popular with people who follow low carbohydrate diets, or for anyone who is sensitive to that kind of thing.
I guess it follows that they are a better alternative to different bars, but thats personal preference. ive purchased them before, they are pretty good if you are on a specialized diet.
tldr, they are one of the best alternatives on the market. stop criticizing something for the sake of criticizing it besides, protein bars should only be eaten during/after strenuous exercise like free lifting or playing outdoor sports, not as a snack while watching TV (which is what most people will associate snacking with...)
Wrong. Please learn some stuff on nutrition before talking. You see too many bodybuilders and assume that's what it's all about or something.
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On February 13 2015 04:40 Shyndashu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 03:26 Legio wrote:
Quest isn't listed on actionforhealthykids.org as a sponsor or a core supporter. Basically this is a branding campaign where Quest takes its OREO and cream cookies and try to associate them with the worth "healthy" and "kids" in peoples minds.
Quest also sells Cheddar and Sourcream "protein" chips on their website. No doubt another healthy option for kids. Do you not have nutrition labels where you live or do just not know how to read one?
they are running a business trying to market alternatives to people who are looking for a premium protein bar. obviously they want it to taste good. I don't understand where the negativity comes from.
And look at the nutrition profile for the chips. They are, in fact, a healthier option for kids with only 5 grams of sugar or starch and a high amount of protein.
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On February 13 2015 02:51 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Cookies and cream chocolate bars.... ideal health food. Not you know... Fruit or something
Fruit is nothing but carbohydrates. Besides some vitamins, you don't get anything else from them. Take an apple for example. An apple is roughly 100 calories, but 25g carbohydrates. So say you eat 2 to match the total caloric intake of that of one of the quest bars. You get virtually the same amount of potassium (the biggest vitamin coming from apples), but you also get 21g protein and only 22g carbs whereas 2 apples is 50g carbs. Carbs are good if you're using them, but otherwise once carbs are broken down into glucose, if not used immediately will be stored as fat once absorbed from your bloodstream. Not to mention such a high intake of carbohydrates will spike your insulin and high levels of insulin regularly could cause you to go diabetic on us. The protein alone acts as an appetite suppressor as your body takes longer to break down protein and it's an essential macronutrient for kids.
So in conclusion... the flavor is listed cookies and cream. But it's not a candy bar. It is an ideal health food. And even more so than "Fruit or something"
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Can you release the shirt but without the quest logo and hashtag on it? I would buy that so fast.
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On February 13 2015 04:41 ahw wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 04:38 amazingxkcd wrote:On February 13 2015 04:33 ahw wrote:
for anyone who doesnt know, quest bars are more or less the only protein bars without a ton of sugar. they have a line without sucralose as well if that stuff bugs you, for whatever reason.
they are popular with people who follow low carbohydrate diets, or for anyone who is sensitive to that kind of thing.
I guess it follows that they are a better alternative to different bars, but thats personal preference. ive purchased them before, they are pretty good if you are on a specialized diet.
tldr, they are one of the best alternatives on the market. stop criticizing something for the sake of criticizing it besides, protein bars should only be eaten during/after strenuous exercise like free lifting or playing outdoor sports, not as a snack while watching TV (which is what most people will associate snacking with...) Yeah, sure, if thats what you want to do. but I don't see what is wrong with eating a high protein high fibre bar instead of, say, chips or juice or whatever. Its not like eating protein is bad
However eating too much protein is useless since the excess in proteins (compared to what your body needs) will be immediatly eliminated through urea.
On February 13 2015 04:53 Shyndashu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 02:51 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Cookies and cream chocolate bars.... ideal health food. Not you know... Fruit or something Fruit is nothing but carbohydrates. Besides some vitamins, you don't get anything else from them. Take an apple for example. An apple is roughly 100 calories, but 25g carbohydrates. So say you eat 2 to match the total caloric intake of that of one of the quest bars. You get virtually the same amount of potassium (the biggest vitamin coming from apples), but you also get 21g protein and only 22g carbs whereas 2 apples is 50g carbs. Carbs are good if you're using them, but otherwise once carbs are broken down into glucose, if not used immediately will be stored as fat once absorbed from your bloodstream. Not to mention such a high intake of carbohydrates will spike your insulin and high levels of insulin regularly could cause you to go diabetic on us. The protein alone acts as an appetite suppressor as your body takes longer to break down protein and it's an essential macronutrient for kids. So in conclusion... the flavor is listed cookies and cream. But it's not a candy bar. It is an ideal health food. And even more so than "Fruit or something"
Proteins are not the only thing our body needs, thus eating fruits is also important, especially for young people. Protein is essential for kids but carbohydrates are way more important than what you're saying because they fuel your whole body and more importantly is the main fuel for your brain (that's why you're hundry when you work a lot). Glucose being stored is normal and necessary, using all the glucose you get from food immediatly would kill you because of the heat generated by the glycolyse ; what is bad is an excess of glucose, which you remedy by doing sports. And to go diabetic with fruits as your main source of glucose you'd need to eat a lot (and by a lot I mean really a lot) of fruits. (besides, potassium is not a vitamin).
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On February 13 2015 04:53 Shyndashu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 02:51 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Cookies and cream chocolate bars.... ideal health food. Not you know... Fruit or something Fruit is nothing but carbohydrates. Besides some vitamins, you don't get anything else from them. Take an apple for example. An apple is roughly 100 calories, but 25g carbohydrates. So say you eat 2 to match the total caloric intake of that of one of the quest bars. You get virtually the same amount of potassium (the biggest vitamin coming from apples), but you also get 21g protein and only 22g carbs whereas 2 apples is 50g carbs. Carbs are good if you're using them, but otherwise once carbs are broken down into glucose, if not used immediately will be stored as fat once absorbed from your bloodstream. Not to mention such a high intake of carbohydrates will spike your insulin and high levels of insulin regularly could cause you to go diabetic on us. The protein alone acts as an appetite suppressor as your body takes longer to break down protein and it's an essential macronutrient for kids. So in conclusion... the flavor is listed cookies and cream. But it's not a candy bar. It is an ideal health food. And even more so than "Fruit or something"
thank you teamliquid.net for teaching me that the ideal health food is quest bars. I won't eat anything else from now.
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On February 13 2015 04:33 ahw wrote:
for anyone who doesnt know, quest bars are more or less the only protein bars without a ton of sugar. they have a line without sucralose as well if that stuff bugs you, for whatever reason.
they are popular with people who follow low carbohydrate diets, or for anyone who is sensitive to that kind of thing.
I guess it follows that they are a better alternative to different bars, but thats personal preference. ive purchased them before, they are pretty good if you are on a specialized diet.
tldr, they are one of the best alternatives on the market. stop criticizing something for the sake of criticizing it
This guy is correct. Quest bars are the best source for protein without all the added sugars and carbs. I tried the cookie and cream; it tastes good but does not fill you.
However, they are expensive as fuck. I believe one bar is nearly $4 after taxes in Canada.
As for their sponsorship, I wholeheartedly approve!
On another note, really mods? Banning SGTK for a harmless joke? I don't like the nazimod jokes that get thrown around, but sometimes this site warrants those jokes.
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Is there even such a thing as healthy food? Surely if you had no fat in your diet, or salt pizza wouldn't be bad.
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On February 13 2015 05:15 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 04:33 ahw wrote:
for anyone who doesnt know, quest bars are more or less the only protein bars without a ton of sugar. they have a line without sucralose as well if that stuff bugs you, for whatever reason.
they are popular with people who follow low carbohydrate diets, or for anyone who is sensitive to that kind of thing.
I guess it follows that they are a better alternative to different bars, but thats personal preference. ive purchased them before, they are pretty good if you are on a specialized diet.
tldr, they are one of the best alternatives on the market. stop criticizing something for the sake of criticizing it This guy is correct. Quest bars are the best source for protein without all the added sugars and carbs. I tried the cookie and cream; it tastes good but does not fill you. However, they are expensive as fuck. I believe one bar is nearly $4 after taxes in Canada. As for their sponsorship, I wholeheartedly approve! On another note, really mods? Banning SGTK for a harmless joke? I don't like the nazimod jokes that get thrown around, but sometimes this site warrants those jokes.
I don't think it was a joke. America does officially consider pizza as a vegetable.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/45306416/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition/t/pizza-vegetable-congress-says-yes/
Maybe it changed ?
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On February 13 2015 05:26 RouaF wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 05:15 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:On February 13 2015 04:33 ahw wrote:
for anyone who doesnt know, quest bars are more or less the only protein bars without a ton of sugar. they have a line without sucralose as well if that stuff bugs you, for whatever reason.
they are popular with people who follow low carbohydrate diets, or for anyone who is sensitive to that kind of thing.
I guess it follows that they are a better alternative to different bars, but thats personal preference. ive purchased them before, they are pretty good if you are on a specialized diet.
tldr, they are one of the best alternatives on the market. stop criticizing something for the sake of criticizing it This guy is correct. Quest bars are the best source for protein without all the added sugars and carbs. I tried the cookie and cream; it tastes good but does not fill you. However, they are expensive as fuck. I believe one bar is nearly $4 after taxes in Canada. As for their sponsorship, I wholeheartedly approve! On another note, really mods? Banning SGTK for a harmless joke? I don't like the nazimod jokes that get thrown around, but sometimes this site warrants those jokes. I don't think it was a joke. America does officially consider pizza as a vegetable. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/45306416/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition/t/pizza-vegetable-congress-says-yes/Maybe it changed ?
I think you need to read the article instead of just the headline, although the headline was very clickbaity.
The proposed bill wanted to consider the pizza sauce as a vegetable, not the entire pizza.
Besides, I don't care what congress thinks of pizza.
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On February 13 2015 04:53 Shyndashu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 02:51 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Cookies and cream chocolate bars.... ideal health food. Not you know... Fruit or something Fruit is nothing but carbohydrates. Besides some vitamins, you don't get anything else from them. Take an apple for example. An apple is roughly 100 calories, but 25g carbohydrates. So say you eat 2 to match the total caloric intake of that of one of the quest bars. You get virtually the same amount of potassium (the biggest vitamin coming from apples), but you also get 21g protein and only 22g carbs whereas 2 apples is 50g carbs. Carbs are good if you're using them, but otherwise once carbs are broken down into glucose, if not used immediately will be stored as fat once absorbed from your bloodstream. Not to mention such a high intake of carbohydrates will spike your insulin and high levels of insulin regularly could cause you to go diabetic on us. The protein alone acts as an appetite suppressor as your body takes longer to break down protein and it's an essential macronutrient for kids. So in conclusion... the flavor is listed cookies and cream. But it's not a candy bar. It is an ideal health food. And even more so than "Fruit or something"
A Quest bar a day keeps the doctor away?
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On February 13 2015 04:53 Shyndashu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 02:51 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Cookies and cream chocolate bars.... ideal health food. Not you know... Fruit or something Fruit is nothing but carbohydrates. Besides some vitamins, you don't get anything else from them. Take an apple for example. An apple is roughly 100 calories, but 25g carbohydrates. So say you eat 2 to match the total caloric intake of that of one of the quest bars. You get virtually the same amount of potassium (the biggest vitamin coming from apples), but you also get 21g protein and only 22g carbs whereas 2 apples is 50g carbs. Carbs are good if you're using them, but otherwise once carbs are broken down into glucose, if not used immediately will be stored as fat once absorbed from your bloodstream. Not to mention such a high intake of carbohydrates will spike your insulin and high levels of insulin regularly could cause you to go diabetic on us. The protein alone acts as an appetite suppressor as your body takes longer to break down protein and it's an essential macronutrient for kids. So in conclusion... the flavor is listed cookies and cream. But it's not a candy bar. It is an ideal health food. And even more so than "Fruit or something"
I'm sorry, but you are wrong on multiple accounts. Just to mention the most gross errors: Carbs aren't just carbs - in the case of apples it is fructose, not glucose - and both will convert to glycogen before fat. The insulin response to eating an apple is in fact very low. Potassium is not a vitamin, it is a mineral and it is not even close to being the most important nutrition in apples.
EDIT: And apparently neither apples nor protein bars kept the doctor away.
EDIT2: Just realised you were the guy telling another person to learn about nutrition... I hope the irony doesn't escape you.
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I think any initiative were healthier options are highlighted is a good thing, especially for kids these days with the sedentary nature of gaming or even doing homework.
Not sure of the nutritional values in these bars however, so hard to say if they are good or bad, or even truly healthy.
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On February 13 2015 04:53 Shyndashu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 02:51 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Cookies and cream chocolate bars.... ideal health food. Not you know... Fruit or something Fruit is nothing but carbohydrates. Besides some vitamins, you don't get anything else from them. Take an apple for example. An apple is roughly 100 calories, but 25g carbohydrates. So say you eat 2 to match the total caloric intake of that of one of the quest bars. You get virtually the same amount of potassium (the biggest vitamin coming from apples), but you also get 21g protein and only 22g carbs whereas 2 apples is 50g carbs. Carbs are good if you're using them, but otherwise once carbs are broken down into glucose, if not used immediately will be stored as fat once absorbed from your bloodstream. Not to mention such a high intake of carbohydrates will spike your insulin and high levels of insulin regularly could cause you to go diabetic on us. The protein alone acts as an appetite suppressor as your body takes longer to break down protein and it's an essential macronutrient for kids. So in conclusion... the flavor is listed cookies and cream. But it's not a candy bar. It is an ideal health food. And even more so than "Fruit or something"
I'm almost completely certain that sugary products like candy, sugar or cookies will be absorbed directly due to an insulin reaction. However I'm pretty sure that fruit is full of fructose and not glucose; that doesn't spike your insulin.
Pretty sure that fruit and vegetables are like the only two foods which you can actually eat with no reserve whatsoever.
Edit: I just eat whatever shit I find and follow no special diet. Maybe it's because I eat almost exclusively meat, eggs, vegetables, fruits, rice and Barilla?
Eating that stuff is surely more healthy than any fast food, correct?
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It's all nice, but does anyone here réally see a bar that's 4$ per bar (source: Jett.Jack.Alvir) help get children healthy? I couldn't even afford them. I'm pretty poor, though...
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On February 13 2015 07:09 Yorbon wrote:
It's all nice, but does anyone here réally see a bar that's 4$ per bar (source: Jett.Jack.Alvir) help get children healthy? I couldn't even afford them. I'm pretty poor, though...
I don't think Action for Healthy Kids is trying to put these bars for sale in schools. I think the bars are thrown in to give people incentive to buy and 100% of the proceeds go to Action for Healthy Kids. Looks like a dece organization.
Yeah like I dunno if its 100% of profit or all gross proceeds but i don't see any association between Quest Gaming and Action for Healthy Kids other than Quest gaming is going to give them a donation. Basically they are selling you cereal bars as a fundraiser. not trying to give them to children. even tho they do look pretty healthy.
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First Obama-care, now protein bars as a healthy food for kids. Can't even guess what's next on esports channel.
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On February 13 2015 08:04 Jarree wrote:
First Obama-care, now protein bars as a healthy food for kids. Can't even guess what's next on esports channel.
The promotion does in no way state that the protein bars are healthy for kids. Did you actually read the OP or did you just knee-jerk? I would also really like to hear how you think Obama-care has anything to do with this.
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On February 13 2015 08:20 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 08:04 Jarree wrote:
First Obama-care, now protein bars as a healthy food for kids. Can't even guess what's next on esports channel. The promotion does in no way state that the protein bars are healthy for kids. Did you actually read the OP or did you just knee-jerk? I would also really like to hear how you think Obama-care has anything to do with this.
Calm your titties man. Apparently esports dudes and dudettes are promoting signing up for obama-care. Ask them what it has to do with esports if you wish.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/477931-incontrol-in-esl-healthcare-psa
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no shirt for EU? 
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Fruit makes you fat. Protein bars is where it's at.
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Besides the # i think the shirt looks great. Quest bars are absolutely amazing, they're packed with not only lots of protein, but an exceptional amount of fiber as well. I'm excited to get this shirt.
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On February 13 2015 08:27 Jarree wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 08:20 Ghostcom wrote:On February 13 2015 08:04 Jarree wrote:
First Obama-care, now protein bars as a healthy food for kids. Can't even guess what's next on esports channel. The promotion does in no way state that the protein bars are healthy for kids. Did you actually read the OP or did you just knee-jerk? I would also really like to hear how you think Obama-care has anything to do with this. Calm your titties man. Apparently esports dudes and dudettes are promoting signing up for obama-care. Ask them what it has to do with esports if you wish. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/477931-incontrol-in-esl-healthcare-psa
My tits are out of control - what can a man do? I would still like to know from where you got the notion that protein bars are a healthy food for kids as that isn't anywhere in the OP and as far as I can tell you are the one making the silly claim - but I guess it is easier being snarky than applauding initiatives to promote health.
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So this isn't a parody then?
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On February 13 2015 08:20 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 08:04 Jarree wrote:
First Obama-care, now protein bars as a healthy food for kids. Can't even guess what's next on esports channel. The promotion does in no way state that the protein bars are healthy for kids. Did you actually read the OP or did you just knee-jerk?
No it doesn't directly state it but it's strongly implied that the bars are healthy as this is a health initiative and the company's called Quest Nutrition. Seems like they're trying to piggy-back a health initiative to sell slightly healthier processed crap to kids.
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America: Where several healthy people live.
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On February 13 2015 10:31 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 08:20 Ghostcom wrote:On February 13 2015 08:04 Jarree wrote:
First Obama-care, now protein bars as a healthy food for kids. Can't even guess what's next on esports channel. The promotion does in no way state that the protein bars are healthy for kids. Did you actually read the OP or did you just knee-jerk? No it doesn't directly state it but it's strongly implied that the bars are healthy as this is a health initiative and the company's called Quest Nutrition. Seems like they're trying to piggy-back a health initiative to sell slightly healthier processed crap to kids.
The real question is, is this better or worse than Papa John's Pizza? Because we bought tons of that, and were promised so much for it.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if people who bought the shirt got no protein bars at all, and then you don't need to worry at all if they are healthy.
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On February 13 2015 10:31 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 08:20 Ghostcom wrote:On February 13 2015 08:04 Jarree wrote:
First Obama-care, now protein bars as a healthy food for kids. Can't even guess what's next on esports channel. The promotion does in no way state that the protein bars are healthy for kids. Did you actually read the OP or did you just knee-jerk? No it doesn't directly state it but it's strongly implied that the bars are healthy as this is a health initiative and the company's called Quest Nutrition. Seems like they're trying to piggy-back a health initiative to sell slightly healthier processed crap to kids.
Relative to similar products on the market, these bars are not nearly as unhealthy as they have been made out to be in this thread. It's not what you should be eating while chilling in front of the TV, but having one after exercise isn't bad at all, and the fact that they're made by Quest doesn't immediately turn them into "processed crap"
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Health bars just like in starcraft. I guess that's good. Except it's not.
/Apples & water
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The bars aren't supposed to replace eating apples. They are supposed to to be a low sugar alternative to eating a cupcake or candy bar or something. Personally I'm usually not a fan of these types of bars but people are getting all bent over absolutely nothing.
That being said they are certainly hoping this helps people think of them in healthier terms and such but they aren't trying to tell people that they should replace their fruits and veggies with these bars...
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On February 13 2015 10:31 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 08:20 Ghostcom wrote:On February 13 2015 08:04 Jarree wrote:
First Obama-care, now protein bars as a healthy food for kids. Can't even guess what's next on esports channel. The promotion does in no way state that the protein bars are healthy for kids. Did you actually read the OP or did you just knee-jerk? No it doesn't directly state it but it's strongly implied that the bars are healthy as this is a health initiative and the company's called Quest Nutrition. Seems like they're trying to piggy-back a health initiative to sell slightly healthier processed crap to kids.
You want to know what healthy is? Raising your own meats, cutting the bad fats off of them, growing your own vegetables and making your own healthy oils, then eating nothing but veggies and naturally grown lean meats with a mix of natural, untouched nuts and homemade healthy oils.
You know what is healthier than eating the shit that most people eat on a daily basis? Eating Quest Nutrition bars.
Don't like that fact? Hate people, not Quest Nutrition for making something decent to eat in a product that people would actually eat it. Don't start talking nonsense about processed crap. Pretty much the only unhealthy thing in the damn things is the "healthier than most sweeteners" sweetener. Aside from that, most nutrition in it is either healthy or neutral.
On a side note, it'd be really awesome if they made this design in a workout shirt. I'd totally buy that shit, probably more than one.
Probably going to buy one of these too.
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Cookie dough flavour is great. Everyone having a hissy fit over quest bars doesn't even lift.
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On February 13 2015 16:16 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 10:31 Scarecrow wrote:On February 13 2015 08:20 Ghostcom wrote:On February 13 2015 08:04 Jarree wrote:
First Obama-care, now protein bars as a healthy food for kids. Can't even guess what's next on esports channel. The promotion does in no way state that the protein bars are healthy for kids. Did you actually read the OP or did you just knee-jerk? No it doesn't directly state it but it's strongly implied that the bars are healthy as this is a health initiative and the company's called Quest Nutrition. Seems like they're trying to piggy-back a health initiative to sell slightly healthier processed crap to kids. You know what is healthier than eating the shit that most people eat on a daily basis? Eating Quest Nutrition bars. Don't like that fact?
I literally said it's slightly healthier. Just because something is better than shit doesn't make it healthy or worthy of promotion. If this product means people settle for it and feel like they're eating healthy that's a bad thing.
Why are you so keen to defend a bar of artificially sweetened protein posing as kid's nutrition? Obviously there's worse stuff out there but at least Snickers isn't deceiving parents into thinking they're doing a decent job.
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this needed a disclaimer or something, in small letters, at the bottom of the OP.
i'm sittin' here, trying to think in what circumstances i'd buy protein bars for my kids and so far i have nothing.
i can't seem to pass "but why would they need it?, or what should they not eat/stop eating in order to squeeze in those bars".
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This really is a shame.
Those snacks don't add any value to a standard american (kids) diet. The problem ist not that kids don't get enough proteins, carbs or fat. Nutritional science suggests you should promote snacks that are high in micronutrients and REAL fiber.
Over the past decades research has shown that a diet high in fresh fruits, vegetables (especially dark leafy veggies), nuts and wholegrains is the healthiest known one.
Advertising QuestBars in context with health is misleading. You just help food corporations (who evidently don't act to make people healthier) maintain their delusive power.
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On February 13 2015 18:30 DeadBull wrote:
This really is a shame.
Those snacks don't add any value to a standard american (kids) diet. The problem ist not that kids don't get enough proteins, carbs or fat. Nutritional science suggests you should promote snacks that are high in micronutrients and REAL fiber.
Over the past decades research has shown that a diet high in fresh fruits, vegetables (especially dark leafy veggies), nuts and wholegrains is the healthiest known one.
Advertising QuestBars in context with health is misleading. You just help food corporations (who evidently don't act to make people healthier) maintain their delusive power.
So is the general idea behind the people that are bent out of shape about this, that companies who make less than ideally healthy products can't/shouldn't try to raise money for health related NPO's?
Or that the organization shouldn't take money from companies who make less than ideal nutritional options in the interest of promoting kids health?
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So this is a health food initiative endorsed by a team that hires young adults to sit and practice in front of a computer for hours a day to be competitive at a sport that again requires you to sit in front of a monitor? I entirely understand that most teams and individuals have some sort of physical activity outside of the game as a means to increase mental function, but I think eSports at its core is a relatively unhealthy lifestyle.
I also can't take any nutritional bar seriously that seems to have an oreo on the wrapper.
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am waiting for Chiquita to be the next Sponsor in Line 
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I find this highly unethical. :/ Advertising healthy diet with such product seems like trying to sell snake oil.
I'm really disappointment that TL went for this, I hoped for more conscious approach to so vital issues. Health of the children is something that you should do with responsibility for your actions.
Good that you are donating money to the pro-health NGO though.
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I understand that TeamLiquid is growing, but does that really necessitate becoming slaves to sponsors as well? This is akin to Ferrero claiming that their Nuttela chocolate paste is an essential part of a healthy breakfast.
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On February 13 2015 20:49 maartendq wrote:
I understand that TeamLiquid is growing, but does that really necessitate becoming slaves to sponsors as well? This is akin to Ferrero claiming that their Nuttela chocolate paste is an essential part of a healthy breakfast.
No, it's actually nothing like that at all.
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On February 13 2015 20:49 maartendq wrote:
I understand that TeamLiquid is growing, but does that really necessitate becoming slaves to sponsors as well? This is akin to Ferrero claiming that their Nuttela chocolate paste is an essential part of a healthy breakfast.
Not all quest bars are unhealthy, the ones you get with the promotion however , besides the money isn't going to having kids only eat quest bars, its going towards the kids having a healthy lifestyle be that healthy eating and exercise in school or knowing what foods are good and bad.
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On February 13 2015 03:19 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 03:12 aXa wrote:On February 13 2015 03:01 TheoMikkelsen wrote:
I think it is supposed to be understood that for every purchase of a t-shirt, money is donated to organisation and parties helping children with food. The specific example is "Action for Healthy Kids." So as far as I can see, the protein bars are not a part of the campaign.
Correct me if I am wrong.
I do not see reason to talk about the bars if the good-willing-intention is money donation to kids in need for food or to change eating habits for a better and more healthy lifestyle.
Team Liquid and Quest Gaming have joined forces for a limited edition TL x Quest T-Shirt in order to support Action For Healthy Kids. Each tee will even come with 2 free Quest Bars. I for one approve of this campaign to get kids to start power lifting, to do oats, GOMAD, squats, and to say no to the smith machine. What's wrong with it?
hello fellow /fit/izen
But yeah, i'm not sure thats very healthy. I mean its healthier than your standard chocolate bar but still..
I think people should be encouraged to not eat snacks/fast food instead of selling 'healthy' snacks. You need to break the habit.
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On February 13 2015 21:27 Gathorisx wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 20:49 maartendq wrote:
I understand that TeamLiquid is growing, but does that really necessitate becoming slaves to sponsors as well? This is akin to Ferrero claiming that their Nuttela chocolate paste is an essential part of a healthy breakfast. Not all quest bars are unhealthy, the ones you get with the promotion however , besides the money isn't going to having kids only eat quest bars, its going towards the kids having a healthy lifestyle be that healthy eating and exercise in school or knowing what foods are good and bad.
Yes, but the problem is branding. This post sums it up well:
On February 13 2015 03:26 Legio wrote:
Quest isn't listed on actionforhealthykids.org as a sponsor or a core supporter. Basically this is a branding campaign where Quest takes its OREO and cream cookies and try to associate them with the worth "healthy" and "kids" in peoples minds.
Quest also sells Cheddar and Sourcream "protein" chips on their website. No doubt another healthy option for kids.
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On February 13 2015 21:47 [BSP]Kain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 21:27 Gathorisx wrote:On February 13 2015 20:49 maartendq wrote:
I understand that TeamLiquid is growing, but does that really necessitate becoming slaves to sponsors as well? This is akin to Ferrero claiming that their Nuttela chocolate paste is an essential part of a healthy breakfast. Not all quest bars are unhealthy, the ones you get with the promotion however , besides the money isn't going to having kids only eat quest bars, its going towards the kids having a healthy lifestyle be that healthy eating and exercise in school or knowing what foods are good and bad. Yes, but the problem is branding. This post sums it up well: Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 03:26 Legio wrote:
Quest isn't listed on actionforhealthykids.org as a sponsor or a core supporter. Basically this is a branding campaign where Quest takes its OREO and cream cookies and try to associate them with the worth "healthy" and "kids" in peoples minds.
Quest also sells Cheddar and Sourcream "protein" chips on their website. No doubt another healthy option for kids.
I don't think the point is that quest bars or healthy or unhealthy but that they are using all the proceeds to support actionforhealthykids.org, if adults want to buy these bars to support kids so be it. I dont think they intend to blow all the proceeds on Quest bars for kids.
"100% of proceeds will be donated to Action For Healthy Kids, an organization that shares our mutual goals by helping schools across the US provide healthy foods, high quality health and physical education, and comprehensive physical activity to millions of students each year. "
they might not be partnered, but it doesn't matter since they are donating the proceedings.
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On February 13 2015 03:21 Musicus wrote:
Well it's not like the money will be used to deliver those bars to schools. Action for Healthy Kids will use the money for actual food like fruits and vegetables I think.
I perused their site and it seems that it's focused on exercise, not changing the dietary habbits of children. http://www.actionforhealthykids.org/what-we-do/success-stories/search/summary
This is not surprising because it's sponsored by companies making food: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_for_Healthy_Kids
It's a pretty well known that these companies try their best to get people focus on exercise, not what they are eating. This is a red herring as fighting obesity with exercise is a doomed prospect. There's just not enough time in a day for a kid to walk off all those calories.
The bars might actually be the best aspect of this campaign...
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On February 13 2015 20:49 maartendq wrote:
I understand that TeamLiquid is growing, but does that really necessitate becoming slaves to sponsors as well? This is akin to Ferrero claiming that their Nuttela chocolate paste is an essential part of a healthy breakfast.
No it is not, read the OP again. It is akin to Ferrero donating the money they get from selling Nutella paste to an organization that promotes healthy diet and lifestyle. It has nothing to do with your comparison.
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where do you guys get the idea that Action for Healthy Kids wants to give these bars to kids anyway? That's the company they are raising money for. weather you think the bars are good for you or not has to do with your diet and exercise but raising money to aid young health with preventative measures is a pretty good idea.
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On February 14 2015 00:18 ComaDose wrote:
where do you guys get the idea that Action for Healthy Kids wants to give these bars to kids anyway? That's the company they are raising money for. weather you think the bars are good for you or not has to do with your diet and exercise but raising money to aid young health with preventative measures is a pretty good idea.
Some people either don't know how to read or like to troll, that's all.
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Isn't a big problem on USA how fast food and food with tons of sugar is what kids eat at their schools ? I remember seeing a documental about it, but it was like 10 years ago, so situation may had changed, but i remember the diet variety being really really scarce, where an apple was more expensive than a burguer.
I guess most of the cynical thinking goes into companies having anything to do with what the kids eat at their schools, like it have been happening for a lot of years. But i think this is a good thing.
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On February 14 2015 00:33 Godwrath wrote:
Isn't a big problem on USA how fast food and food with tons of sugar is what kids eat at their schools ? I remember seeing a documental about it, but it was like 10 years ago, so situation may had changed, but i remember the diet variety being really really scarce, where an apple was more expensive than a burguer.
I guess most of the cynical thinking goes into companies having anything to do with what the kids eat at their schools, like it have been happening for a lot of years. But i think this is a good thing.
There is quite a problem with that, not so easy to fix though. There have been many cases where the schools tried to offer healthier food, and the kids simply didn't eat it or wouldn't buy it. Healthy options do no good if those options are not chosen.
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On February 13 2015 03:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 02:41 Specialist wrote:
In america, everything that is not fast food is considered healthy lolol America: where pizza is considered a vegetable User was temp banned for this post.
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Technically you don't know what kinds of "healthy foods" they will be supplying to kids.
Hopefully the sh**ty fake bars are just for us adults :D "Better than McDonalds" doesn't exactly constitute healthy food.
Sounds like hearts are in the right place though. GL with helping kids, good guidance is essential.
At the end of the day, I think kids eat how their parents eat (for the most part). Do kids really have any other choice than to eat what their parents fill the house with? A 5 year old can't get up and do his/her own grocery run. So imo the problem starts and basically ends there. Kids eat one meal at school, so yea, make that better is a good start. But, the parents need the education more than anyone else.
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On February 14 2015 01:13 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 00:33 Godwrath wrote:
Isn't a big problem on USA how fast food and food with tons of sugar is what kids eat at their schools ? I remember seeing a documental about it, but it was like 10 years ago, so situation may had changed, but i remember the diet variety being really really scarce, where an apple was more expensive than a burguer.
I guess most of the cynical thinking goes into companies having anything to do with what the kids eat at their schools, like it have been happening for a lot of years. But i think this is a good thing. There is quite a problem with that, not so easy to fix though. There have been many cases where the schools tried to offer healthier food, and the kids simply didn't eat it or wouldn't buy it. Healthy options do no good if those options are not chosen.
Kids shouldn't be able to choose between a healthy diet or crap food tho. They are kids afterall, if you make them choose between a burguer and vegetables they would just eat the burguer 10/10 times. I used to eat at school when i was a kid, and if you didn't eat, you wouldn't be able to go out with the other kids. Simple and elegant, because you had to chose to have some spare time to play with your friends, or be stupid and sit down there the whole break for lunch.
And of course, we didn't have any saying in what went into the menu. That was parents/school that scheduled the menus beforehand to have as many variety of cooked meals there.
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For everyone that is trashing the quality of Quest Bars, have you looked up the nutrition info of the bars? It is a low carb, high fiber protein bar. Fairly tasty too. But just because it is a cookie dough or cookies and cream flavor, it doesn't mean it has actual cookie dough or oreos in it. They also have dozens of other flavors.
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Well the bars aren't fresh food, but they are compositionally alright. But I mean they are trying to advertise their products. When you buy the shirt they don't send the bars to some fat kid and say "this is the healthiest thing you can eat!". They send the bars to you. So what is the complaint exactly?
Action for healthy kids is something separate, which does indeed seem to be a good cause.
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I love the front side of the T-shirt - looks good for casual and exercise wear - but the back side seems overdone.
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On February 14 2015 00:18 ComaDose wrote:
where do you guys get the idea that Action for Healthy Kids wants to give these bars to kids anyway? That's the company they are raising money for. weather you think the bars are good for you or not has to do with your diet and exercise but raising money to aid young health with preventative measures is a pretty good idea.
As you can read in this topic most here have problems with branding. Also as you can further read many here are supportive for actions that challenge current lifestyles and feeding habits of American children. The problem is that when you associate "health" label with unhealthy product the advertiser is the bigger winner here, not the children. The misconception about what to eat and what should be desirable healthy product is so big (you can even see it in this very topic) that it's quite obnoxious.
There is no easy solution. The most honorable would be mentioning in the TL/Quest Bars that processed unhealthy foods like Quest Bars are one of the reasons of such problems are here and they just want to give money so they can undo some damage such foods are making. Without such info someone who is uninformed (and I think most kids are - and if not they are prone to misinformation) make take products as Quest Bars as healthy. This is the danger that most people here have problem with. I think you see it yourself as well, so it's more about raising awareness instead of trying to pass along the snake oil.
It's somewhat like McDonald's introducing salads to their menu so people can not worry about it being unhealthy. Same danger here. The message has to be straightforward and based on truth to be ethical in such actions. The topic here is very serious so I'm for one very glad most people here are angry and disappointment, that shows that education on nutrition and health of children is raising. When I was young no such voices would have happened.
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Its a pretty healthy protein bar for those with lifestyles that could benefit from protein bars tho.
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On February 14 2015 02:07 MLG X Factor wrote:
For everyone that is trashing the quality of Quest Bars, have you looked up the nutrition info of the bars? It is a low carb, high fiber protein bar. Fairly tasty too. But just because it is a cookie dough or cookies and cream flavor, it doesn't mean it has actual cookie dough or oreos in it. They also have dozens of other flavors.
It has 300 calories per 100g. Compare that with pure chicken (115 cal) and hard candy (390 cal). But it could be a lot worse.
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On February 14 2015 04:07 ComaDose wrote:
Its a pretty healthy protein bar for those with lifestyles that could benefit from protein bars tho.
This may be true (although some Google search about their products told me otherwise). Shame that no one in the developed/developing world needs protein except bodybuilders or ppl that have clinical underweight.
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On February 14 2015 04:07 ComaDose wrote:
Its a pretty healthy protein bar for those with lifestyles that could benefit from protein bars tho.
i wouldn't say it's healthy but it's much less unhealthy than similar-looking cereal bars
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On February 14 2015 03:59 [BSP]Kain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 00:18 ComaDose wrote:
where do you guys get the idea that Action for Healthy Kids wants to give these bars to kids anyway? That's the company they are raising money for. weather you think the bars are good for you or not has to do with your diet and exercise but raising money to aid young health with preventative measures is a pretty good idea. As you can read in this topic most here have problems with branding. Also as you can further read many here are supportive for actions that challenge current lifestyles and feeding habits of American children. The problem is that when you associate "health" label with unhealthy product the advertiser is the bigger winner here, not the children. The misconception about what to eat and what should be desirable healthy product is so big (you can even see it in this very topic) that it's quite obnoxious. There is no easy solution. The most honorable would be mentioning in the TL/Quest Bars that processed unhealthy foods like Quest Bars are one of the reasons of such problems are here and they just want to give money so they can undo some damage such foods are making. Without such info someone who is uninformed (and I think most kids are - and if not they are prone to misinformation) make take products as Quest Bars as healthy. This is the danger that most people here have problem with. I think you see it yourself as well, so it's more about raising awareness instead of trying to pass along the snake oil. It's somewhat like McDonald's introducing salads to their menu so people can not worry about it being unhealthy. Same danger here. The message has to be straightforward and based on truth to be ethical in such actions. The topic here is very serious so I'm for one very glad most people here are angry and disappointment, that shows that education on nutrition and health of children is raising. When I was young no such voices would have happened.
Well said... TY TY
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On February 14 2015 03:59 [BSP]Kain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 00:18 ComaDose wrote:
where do you guys get the idea that Action for Healthy Kids wants to give these bars to kids anyway? That's the company they are raising money for. weather you think the bars are good for you or not has to do with your diet and exercise but raising money to aid young health with preventative measures is a pretty good idea. As you can read in this topic most here have problems with branding. Also as you can further read many here are supportive for actions that challenge current lifestyles and feeding habits of American children. The problem is that when you associate "health" label with unhealthy product the advertiser is the bigger winner here, not the children. The misconception about what to eat and what should be desirable healthy product is so big (you can even see it in this very topic) that it's quite obnoxious. There is no easy solution. The most honorable would be mentioning in the TL/Quest Bars that processed unhealthy foods like Quest Bars are one of the reasons of such problems are here and they just want to give money so they can undo some damage such foods are making. Without such info someone who is uninformed (and I think most kids are - and if not they are prone to misinformation) make take products as Quest Bars as healthy. This is the danger that most people here have problem with. I think you see it yourself as well, so it's more about raising awareness instead of trying to pass along the snake oil. It's somewhat like McDonald's introducing salads to their menu so people can not worry about it being unhealthy. Same danger here. The message has to be straightforward and based on truth to be ethical in such actions. The topic here is very serious so I'm for one very glad most people here are angry and disappointment, that shows that education on nutrition and health of children is raising. When I was young no such voices would have happened.
so, if CocaCola and Pepsi said they were donating $2,000,000,000 to Action for Healthy Kids, you all would still bitch because (as everyone knows) soda is unhealthy? really? they are giving free money away when they don't have to.
your "most honorable" is really stupid. who is going to pay money to denigrate their own product?
it sounds like you prefer not doing anything than actually funding good organizations. plus, even assuming this was a form of advertising (questionable), the target is young adults, not children. the likelihood of young adults being misled is questionable as well.
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donating $2,000,000,000 to Action for Healthy Kids is fine but saying that Cola and Pepsi(the companies) help kids stay healthy its a stretch to say the least.
it's like saying that donations for cancer research are curing cancer ...
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On February 14 2015 05:32 xM(Z wrote:
donating $2,000,000,000 to Action for Healthy Kids is fine but saying that Cola and Pepsi(the companies) help kids stay healthy its a stretch to say the least.
it's like saying that donations for cancer research are curing cancer ...
I had a feeling peoples problem was with the OP title. The comparisons people are drawing are totally ridiculous though.
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On February 14 2015 04:47 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 03:59 [BSP]Kain wrote:On February 14 2015 00:18 ComaDose wrote:
where do you guys get the idea that Action for Healthy Kids wants to give these bars to kids anyway? That's the company they are raising money for. weather you think the bars are good for you or not has to do with your diet and exercise but raising money to aid young health with preventative measures is a pretty good idea. As you can read in this topic most here have problems with branding. Also as you can further read many here are supportive for actions that challenge current lifestyles and feeding habits of American children. The problem is that when you associate "health" label with unhealthy product the advertiser is the bigger winner here, not the children. The misconception about what to eat and what should be desirable healthy product is so big (you can even see it in this very topic) that it's quite obnoxious. There is no easy solution. The most honorable would be mentioning in the TL/Quest Bars that processed unhealthy foods like Quest Bars are one of the reasons of such problems are here and they just want to give money so they can undo some damage such foods are making. Without such info someone who is uninformed (and I think most kids are - and if not they are prone to misinformation) make take products as Quest Bars as healthy. This is the danger that most people here have problem with. I think you see it yourself as well, so it's more about raising awareness instead of trying to pass along the snake oil. It's somewhat like McDonald's introducing salads to their menu so people can not worry about it being unhealthy. Same danger here. The message has to be straightforward and based on truth to be ethical in such actions. The topic here is very serious so I'm for one very glad most people here are angry and disappointment, that shows that education on nutrition and health of children is raising. When I was young no such voices would have happened. so, if CocaCola and Pepsi said they were donating $2,000,000,000 to Action for Healthy Kids, you all would still bitch because (as everyone knows) soda is unhealthy? really? they are giving free money away when they don't have to. your "most honorable" is really stupid. who is going to pay money to denigrate their own product? it sounds like you prefer not doing anything than actually funding good organizations. plus, even assuming this was a form of advertising (questionable), the target is young adults, not children. the likelihood of young adults being misled is questionable as well.
Hey dAPhREAk, sorry my post made you so angry, that wasn't my intention, also I think you have slightly misunderstood me.
As I tried to point out in reply that you have quoted the issue is with branding. No one here has problems with donating money to the noble NGO.
If such a big players like Pepsi or CocaCola would donate money for action and >nowhere< would be mentioned that they have a big part in this problem then yes I would have my objections. As the physicians say treating of symptoms is not the same as preemptive actions. If Cola/Pepsi/XYZ would donate so big money and no one would raise an alarm that would be really successful advertising for them and additionally misinformation, which in my opinion is unethical. I'm quite sure (although it's just my guess, so can be totally wrong) that not giving 2kkk of dollars and not appearing as healthy product would be better for children, which don't have all the necessary tools to know what will harm them in the long run.
Also you state that they give "free money". Are you sure? Marketing doesn't work like that. I'm more than sure that awareness of their brand and products can be easily counted, I know that thee are even companies that make their living of advertising, so I don't really think that getting to the people with your brand is "free". That's now how world works.
Can you elaborate why do you think my "honorable point" is stupid? If you mean it's stupid I assume you think it's not as fair as I stated it? Or you mean it's unrealistic? If so then I totally agree with you and I never said it is realistic. But it's noble and ethical, can't we agree?
it sounds like you prefer not doing anything than actually funding good organizations.
That's quite harsh for me and my life choices. Can you point where I said it's better to not do anything? I just really believe in proper information, knowledge and preemptive approach to solve children and adults health issues. If that's true of what some poster above me said - that their 100g has 300 calories then it's really a big problem even for normal, adult people unless they are body builders or heavy physical workers.
plus, even assuming this was a form of advertising (questionable), the target is young adults, not children. the likelihood of young adults being misled is questionable as well.
Most of gamers are young. I cannot think of better target than gaming sites to be honest if I want to sell what this company is. I think that it is very good strategy of Quest Bars to get into this TL collaboration.
Also if your point is true and they are not going for the recognition then why won't they donate this money anonymously?
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Your understanding of gamers is as immature as you claim gamers to be. Check out the TL census and see why.
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On February 14 2015 05:32 xM(Z wrote:
donating $2,000,000,000 to Action for Healthy Kids is fine but saying that Cola and Pepsi(the companies) help kids stay healthy its a stretch to say the least.
it's like saying that donations for cancer research are curing cancer ...
it actually is not a stretch. if you donate money to an organization dedicated to helping kids stay healthy then you are in fact helping kids stay healthy.
if quest was conditioning the donation on Action for Healthy Kids endorsing its product as healthy then there would be something to get your panties all in a bunch, but i have, as of yet, seen no such thing.
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On February 14 2015 05:38 [BSP]Kain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 04:47 dAPhREAk wrote:On February 14 2015 03:59 [BSP]Kain wrote:On February 14 2015 00:18 ComaDose wrote:
where do you guys get the idea that Action for Healthy Kids wants to give these bars to kids anyway? That's the company they are raising money for. weather you think the bars are good for you or not has to do with your diet and exercise but raising money to aid young health with preventative measures is a pretty good idea. As you can read in this topic most here have problems with branding. Also as you can further read many here are supportive for actions that challenge current lifestyles and feeding habits of American children. The problem is that when you associate "health" label with unhealthy product the advertiser is the bigger winner here, not the children. The misconception about what to eat and what should be desirable healthy product is so big (you can even see it in this very topic) that it's quite obnoxious. There is no easy solution. The most honorable would be mentioning in the TL/Quest Bars that processed unhealthy foods like Quest Bars are one of the reasons of such problems are here and they just want to give money so they can undo some damage such foods are making. Without such info someone who is uninformed (and I think most kids are - and if not they are prone to misinformation) make take products as Quest Bars as healthy. This is the danger that most people here have problem with. I think you see it yourself as well, so it's more about raising awareness instead of trying to pass along the snake oil. It's somewhat like McDonald's introducing salads to their menu so people can not worry about it being unhealthy. Same danger here. The message has to be straightforward and based on truth to be ethical in such actions. The topic here is very serious so I'm for one very glad most people here are angry and disappointment, that shows that education on nutrition and health of children is raising. When I was young no such voices would have happened. so, if CocaCola and Pepsi said they were donating $2,000,000,000 to Action for Healthy Kids, you all would still bitch because (as everyone knows) soda is unhealthy? really? they are giving free money away when they don't have to. your "most honorable" is really stupid. who is going to pay money to denigrate their own product? it sounds like you prefer not doing anything than actually funding good organizations. plus, even assuming this was a form of advertising (questionable), the target is young adults, not children. the likelihood of young adults being misled is questionable as well. Hey dAPhREAk, sorry my post made you so angry, that wasn't my intention, also I think you have slightly misunderstood me. As I tried to point out in reply that you have quoted the issue is with branding. No one here has problems with donating money to the noble NGO. If such a big players like Pepsi or CocaCola would donate money for action and >nowhere< would be mentioned that they have a big part in this problem then yes I would have my objections. As the physicians say treating of symptoms is not the same as preemptive actions. If Cola/Pepsi/XYZ would donate so big money and no one would raise an alarm that would be really successful advertising for them and additionally misinformation, which in my opinion is unethical. I'm quite sure (although it's just my guess, so can be totally wrong) that not giving 2kkk of dollars and not appearing as healthy product would be better for children, which don't have all the necessary tools to know what will harm them in the long run. Also you state that they give "free money". Are you sure? Marketing doesn't work like that. I'm more than sure that awareness of their brand and products can be easily counted, I know that thee are even companies that make their living of advertising, so I don't really think that getting to the people with your brand is "free". That's now how world works. Can you elaborate why do you think my "honorable point" is stupid? If you mean it's stupid I assume you think it's not as fair as I stated it? Or you mean it's unrealistic? If so then I totally agree with you and I never said it is realistic. But it's noble and ethical, can't we agree? Show nested quote +it sounds like you prefer not doing anything than actually funding good organizations. That's quite harsh for me and my life choices. Can you point where I said it's better to not do anything? I just really believe in proper information, knowledge and preemptive approach to solve children and adults health issues. If that's true of what some poster above me said - that their 100g has 300 calories then it's really a big problem even for normal, adult people unless they are body builders or heavy physical workers. Show nested quote + plus, even assuming this was a form of advertising (questionable), the target is young adults, not children. the likelihood of young adults being misled is questionable as well. Most of gamers are young. I cannot think of better target than gaming sites to be honest if I want to sell what this company is. I think that it is very good strategy of Quest Bars to get into this TL collaboration. Also if your point is true and they are not going for the recognition then why won't they donate this money anonymously?
corporations routinely donate money to make themselves look better and increase awareness of their brand. quest obviously wants tl members to learn about their product so they can make more sales, and i am sure tl is getting something out of this as well. there is no misinformation because quest is not claiming that its products are "healthy" at least through this specific campaign. whether they do elsewhere is irrelevant to this discussion. there is nothing unethical about a company giving away its money to a good organization--its quite the opposite.
as for whether this is free or not, is action for healthy kids giving them anything? no. its free money for action for healthy kids. obviously quest and tl are getting something out of it.
your honorable point is stupid because you are saying a company should pay its own money to fuck up its own brand image. how stupid is that? its also illegal and would result in shareholder lawsuits.
as for not doing anything, tl and quest came up with a good campaign to get money to a needy organization, and you spend your time bashing on it. so, yes, i question you.
farv addressed your intimate knowledge of tl.net members.
finally, why would they donate it anonymously? quest is a for profit corporation, its not a charity organization for fucks sake.
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On February 14 2015 05:40 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 05:32 xM(Z wrote:
donating $2,000,000,000 to Action for Healthy Kids is fine but saying that Cola and Pepsi(the companies) help kids stay healthy its a stretch to say the least.
it's like saying that donations for cancer research are curing cancer ... it actually is not a stretch. if you donate money to an organization dedicated to helping kids stay healthy then you are in fact helping kids stay healthy. if quest was conditioning the donation on Action for Healthy Kids endorsing its product as healthy then there would be something to get your panties all in a bunch, but i have, as of yet, seen no such thing.
i'd call that (at most)helping by proxy which basically means you're really not involved in helping at all. you just give money then hope/assume that the person/company you gave money to will do the job for you.
i see helping as a hands on thing.
i mean, sure, you can take credit for helping if you donate but you're actually not doing anything.
Edit: the bottom line is this: - TL & Quest Nutrition Are Helping Action For Healthy Kids Help Kids Stay Healthy.
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Is this campaign really that bad? I agree, Quest is trying to brand itself as healthy, without actually being healthy. However, this campaign is not as bad as Coca cola's health campaign a few years ago.
And to the others that see the good outweigh the bad, lets be honest here. Marketing can easily sway the minds of the naive and gullible. Some of us need to spread awareness of underhanded marketing techniques, and this is one of them. Just because many of us see the good, lets not be blind to the bad, and lets keep this thread from getting ugly.
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i am curious what "bad" quest has done. i searched but did not find a single mention of this on their site. the only things i found were things teamliquid has said. as far as we know, quest may just be donating protein bars for sale with tl shirts and may not even know that the funds are being donated (doubtful, but no evidence to the contrary).
shouldnt we be bashing teamliquid? a site that promotes obesity by offering forums for endless hours of trivial debate, streams for us to watch on our computer while drinking mt dew and munching funyuns and endless encouragement to spend hours playing video games? sure, it has health and fitness forums if you have the time and energy to search for it. i mean, its not even on the front page!!! all the children will never find it. how dare they say they promote the health of kids when they are basically contributing to their obesity.
and violence has been linked to video games, so there is that.
fuck you teamliquid!!!
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On February 14 2015 06:40 dAPhREAk wrote:
i am curious what "bad" quest has done. i searched but did not find a single mention of this on their site. the only things i found were things teamliquid has said. as far as we know, quest may just be donating protein bars for sale with tl shirts and may not even know that the funds are being donated (doubtful, but no evidence to the contrary).
shouldnt we be bashing teamliquid? a site that promotes obesity by offering forums for endless hours of trivial debate, streams for us to watch on our computer while drinking mt dew and munching funyuns and endless encouragement to spend hours playing video games? sure, it has health and fitness forums if you have the time and energy to search for it. i mean, its not even on the front page!!! all the children will never find it. how dare they say they promote the health of kids when they are basically contributing to their obesity.
and violence has been linked to video games, so there is that.
fuck you teamliquid!!!
Yeah what is team liquid thinking helping children to hide the fact that they promote a sedentary and unhealthy lifestyle...
This kind of deceptive advertising should get Lichter banned...
Also AGDQ should not accept any credit for helping people prevent cancer since playing video games doesn't "actually do anything"....
Seriously get a grip people.
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On February 14 2015 06:40 dAPhREAk wrote:
i am curious what "bad" quest has done. i searched but did not find a single mention of this on their site. the only things i found were things teamliquid has said. as far as we know, quest may just be donating protein bars for sale with tl shirts and may not even know that the funds are being donated (doubtful, but no evidence to the contrary).
shouldnt we be bashing teamliquid? a site that promotes obesity by offering forums for endless hours of trivial debate, streams for us to watch on our computer while drinking mt dew and munching funyuns and endless encouragement to spend hours playing video games? sure, it has health and fitness forums if you have the time and energy to search for it. i mean, its not even on the front page!!! all the children will never find it. how dare they say they promote the health of kids when they are basically contributing to their obesity.
and violence has been linked to video games, so there is that.
fuck you teamliquid!!!
I'm assuming this is sarcasm. on topic I would like to know more about how quest bars is involved such as whether they're just donating bars. I'd guess their helping liquid offset the cost so liquid can actually afford to donate the proceeds (although I'd like to know what is meant by this.) as to doing something yourself it's better to give the money to people who know what their doing than to try to do something yourself a lot of the time.A lot of organizations don't have the time/energy commitment/knowledge to be able to set up their own charity and make sure it's run efficiently
also the organization is question sounds pretty legit
http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=11020
although you could argue that its putty too much emphasis on schools themselvees but I don't know enough to comment on that.
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Bought a shirt. Kinda like the clean white motif. My friend didn't like the huge TL log on the back though (in comparison to the normal TL logos on the backs of other shirts).
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On February 14 2015 04:47 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 03:59 [BSP]Kain wrote:On February 14 2015 00:18 ComaDose wrote:
where do you guys get the idea that Action for Healthy Kids wants to give these bars to kids anyway? That's the company they are raising money for. weather you think the bars are good for you or not has to do with your diet and exercise but raising money to aid young health with preventative measures is a pretty good idea. As you can read in this topic most here have problems with branding. Also as you can further read many here are supportive for actions that challenge current lifestyles and feeding habits of American children. The problem is that when you associate "health" label with unhealthy product the advertiser is the bigger winner here, not the children. The misconception about what to eat and what should be desirable healthy product is so big (you can even see it in this very topic) that it's quite obnoxious. There is no easy solution. The most honorable would be mentioning in the TL/Quest Bars that processed unhealthy foods like Quest Bars are one of the reasons of such problems are here and they just want to give money so they can undo some damage such foods are making. Without such info someone who is uninformed (and I think most kids are - and if not they are prone to misinformation) make take products as Quest Bars as healthy. This is the danger that most people here have problem with. I think you see it yourself as well, so it's more about raising awareness instead of trying to pass along the snake oil. It's somewhat like McDonald's introducing salads to their menu so people can not worry about it being unhealthy. Same danger here. The message has to be straightforward and based on truth to be ethical in such actions. The topic here is very serious so I'm for one very glad most people here are angry and disappointment, that shows that education on nutrition and health of children is raising. When I was young no such voices would have happened. so, if CocaCola and Pepsi said they were donating $2,000,000,000 to Action for Healthy Kids, you all would still bitch because (as everyone knows) soda is unhealthy? really? they are giving free money away when they don't have to. your "most honorable" is really stupid. who is going to pay money to denigrate their own product? it sounds like you prefer not doing anything than actually funding good organizations. plus, even assuming this was a form of advertising (questionable), the target is young adults, not children. the likelihood of young adults being misled is questionable as well.
Let's say Marlboro or Camel donated $10,000,000 to a cancer research institute. Yes, I would applaud them for giving money to an institute that most likely will help prevent all forms of cancer, not just ones created by cigarettes. AND...
Yes I would still bitch. Because F**KING cigarettes contribute to CANCER :D
It's not that donating money to good causes is a bad thing in anyway, but I don't think products like these bars really promote health (TL included, esports = sedentary activity). I don't think there is a single nutritionist out there that would recommend a product like the oreo bar to their client. If I had to choose between a "big mac" and one of these bars, I would choose one of these bars, and that doesn't make it a healthy food choice. There is a MASSIVE amount of misinformation about what is healthy food and what isn't, I don't really respect promotions like this because they give the impression (in my opinion they give the impression) that these products are healthy food choices... when they aren't.
My guess is that if they really educate kids about healthy eating, they will actually have to denigrate their own product. That's up to the organization that does the education. Maybe I a pessimist, but I have doubts that kids will really get a good education on the subject. And if they get a good education about how processed foods aren't optimal health they will look the sponsor and be confused why the program is sponsor by someone that sells a less than healthy product.
A message I would respect is one that says, "Hey kids its TL and Quest here. While we promote video games and that can contribute to obesity, we are donating to this organization to get kids more active. We think video games and sedentary activities are great, and we also want children's lives to be balanced. So we are going to try help promote getting physically active and healthier."
Now replace video games with "oreo protein bars", obesity with "less optimal health", and physically active with "healthier food choices" and you have a more accurate message I can get behind.
"It's a good cause and I regret not eating vegetables until I was in my 20s. You can find the tees in the store or by clicking the link above. Eat healthy, kids." - I get this is just part of the OP, but that's the kind of mixed message that causes confusion. Eat healthy, enjoy the tees and your two free oreo bars.
That being said... I didn't contribute any money this year to children's health XD
I just had to share my opinion... such impulsive... much selfish
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the shirt says gamerfood, not health food. now what?
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I think we can all agree that the bars aren't technically "health food" that being said their healthier than a lot of junk food that would probably be filling the same role. It's better than junk food. if they actually said they were a health food that would be false advertising. it doesn't seem to me that their directly trying to equate the bars as health food merely trying to raise their brand recognition while supporting a good cause. I think most people would agree that protein bars aren't whats wrong with American diets at the moment. just my two cents.
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On February 14 2015 10:12 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
I think we can all agree that the bars aren't technically "health food" that being said their healthier than a lot of junk food that would probably be filling the same role. It's better than junk food. if they actually said they were a health food that would be false advertising. it doesn't seem to me that their directly trying to equate the bars as health food merely trying to raise their brand recognition while supporting a good cause. I think most people would agree that protein bars aren't whats wrong with American diets at the moment. just my two cents.
yeah it looks like junk food to get you to buy it, it's really just a protein bar, not that that's the epitome of healthy food or anything
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On February 14 2015 11:37 Cheren wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 10:12 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
I think we can all agree that the bars aren't technically "health food" that being said their healthier than a lot of junk food that would probably be filling the same role. It's better than junk food. if they actually said they were a health food that would be false advertising. it doesn't seem to me that their directly trying to equate the bars as health food merely trying to raise their brand recognition while supporting a good cause. I think most people would agree that protein bars aren't whats wrong with American diets at the moment. just my two cents. yeah it looks like junk food to get you to buy it, it's really just a protein bar, not that that's the epitome of healthy food or anything But it's a helluva lot better than what a lot of kids eat throughout the day a lot of the time.
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On February 14 2015 08:30 dAPhREAk wrote:
the shirt says gamerfood, not health food. now what?
I think your missing the point here :D which is exactly my point.
It's not meant for the kids! It's meant for the people that sit in front of a computer playing video games for hours on end... um... Oh yeah... that's right... :/
Nj TL and Quest.
On February 14 2015 12:07 Thalandros wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 11:37 Cheren wrote:On February 14 2015 10:12 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
I think we can all agree that the bars aren't technically "health food" that being said their healthier than a lot of junk food that would probably be filling the same role. It's better than junk food. if they actually said they were a health food that would be false advertising. it doesn't seem to me that their directly trying to equate the bars as health food merely trying to raise their brand recognition while supporting a good cause. I think most people would agree that protein bars aren't whats wrong with American diets at the moment. just my two cents. yeah it looks like junk food to get you to buy it, it's really just a protein bar, not that that's the epitome of healthy food or anything But it's a helluva lot better than what a lot of kids eat throughout the day a lot of the time.
#Gamerwhileyoursittingonyourassatthecomputerstuffyourfacewiththiscandybarohyeahweaddedsomeproteintoitandcalleditfood
#IT'SBETTTERTHANMCDONALDS (redirects you to the snickers homepage).
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Have you ever tried to get a kid to eat its vegetables? Just saying "eat it. its healthy" wont do the job.
And I believe that is the angle Quest is coming from. If candy bars are unhealthy and kids eat them a lot but they also do not want to eat the healthy stuff, then you need an alternative that's accepted by kids (maybe even when mommy does not watch them).
I also believe that this kind of PR is misleading and tries to convince people that Quest candy bars a actually healthy when they are not. But I also believe it's an unfortunate PR for a good thing that makes sense and tries to help people.
So let's not freak out about a donation campaign that's actually meaningful and relevant to fans of electronic sports.
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carb the fuck up lads and ull be healthy as fk, ive been vegan now 2 months feel better than ever, just eat high carb LOW FAT and u will be winner!
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Yeah because everyone eats 3 Oreos and calls it quits lol. Also less saturated fat matters.
I don't who people think is getting fooled into thinking protein bars should be given to all kids as snacks or whatever but if supporting a org that helps kids be healthier 'tricks' them into believing that, then they are probably on the way to the bank to pick up their inheritance from a Nigerian Prince too.
Quest Nutrition might not be right about everything they think about health but they are doing more to help get people healthy than anyone complaining about them probably is.
Other than supporting a child fitness org (Childhood obesity is something they have spoken out about for a while without pitching their product as 'the solution') I don't see them pitching to kids. The stuff on their site is geared way more towards living healthy lifestyles and education and I don't think I saw anything on their site pitching their products as something kids like or should want.
Their association with TL seems to go back a while so maybe they should just say something themselves at this point?
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Please people stop going the "fat = bad" route because that's straight up bullshit. Fat is an essential component for our body and we should eat some ; not in excess obviously. Besides, not all fat are equals, some are more harmful than others.
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On February 15 2015 16:36 OtherWorld wrote:
Please people stop going the "fat = bad" route because that's straight up bullshit. Fat is an essential component for our body and we should eat some ; not in excess obviously. Besides, not all fat are equals, some are more harmful than others.
While they're at it get rid of this notion of healthy foods. There are healthy people and healthy diets but "healthy foods" are a misnomer.
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Cookies and Cream candy bar... that sounds healthy!!!
Next should give them doughnuts...some even have fruit filling! Thats healthy, right?
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Calling something processed healthy is always a lie. Google it!
(If this is bannable go ahead)
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On February 15 2015 19:15 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 16:36 OtherWorld wrote:
Please people stop going the "fat = bad" route because that's straight up bullshit. Fat is an essential component for our body and we should eat some ; not in excess obviously. Besides, not all fat are equals, some are more harmful than others. While they're at it get rid of this notion of healthy foods. There are healthy people and healthy diets but "healthy foods" are a misnomer.
Very true.
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On February 16 2015 10:41 9heart wrote:
Cookies and Cream candy bar... that sounds healthy!!!
Next should give them doughnuts...some even have fruit filling! Thats healthy, right?
Intelligent post. You have a lot of knowledge!!
On February 16 2015 12:59 Mozdk wrote:
Calling something processed healthy is always a lie. Google it!
(If this is bannable go ahead)
And so we're all going to die at age 45. Processed foods, the name of all existence...
Eeesh, how to take this crowd seriously?
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Coca cola sponsors the Olympic games I don't think this is worth damaging our calm about. As people have said unused protein goes straight through anyway. Even fats retain less than unburned sugars. It'll cost a small fortune to get fat on these things.
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protein abuse can damage kidneys and can cause liver to build up ammonia in the blood.
oh, and Coca Cola doesn't claim it helps olympians stay healthy.
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On February 16 2015 20:57 xM(Z wrote:
protein abuse can damage kidneys and can cause liver to build up ammonia in the blood.
oh, and Coca Cola doesn't claim it helps olympians stay healthy.
not in individuals with healthy kidneys, no.
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On February 16 2015 20:57 xM(Z wrote:
protein abuse can damage kidneys and can cause liver to build up ammonia in the blood.
oh, and Coca Cola doesn't claim it helps olympians stay healthy.
They're raising money for helping children stay healthy, not force feeding them protein bars to achieve that end. The claim is identical. If that makes CocaCola okay then this is fine, unless its a brands I like vs brands I don't type discussion.
It's going to take a serious amount of protein bars to break a healthy body. Shit oxygen is toxic if we're going down that silly road.
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On February 16 2015 21:27 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 20:57 xM(Z wrote:
protein abuse can damage kidneys and can cause liver to build up ammonia in the blood.
oh, and Coca Cola doesn't claim it helps olympians stay healthy. not in individuals with healthy kidneys, no.
i'd say science in this case is incomplete/debatable at best:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3602135/
Results
Baseline cystatin C-based eGFR was 92.0±16.3 (SD) mL/min/1.73 m2. Compared with the carbohydrate and unsaturated fat diets, the protein diet increased cystatin C-based eGFR by ~4 mL/min/1.73 m2 (P < 0.001). The effects of the protein diet on kidney function were independent of changes in blood pressure. There was no significant difference between the carbohydrate and unsaturated fat diets. Conclusions
A healthy diet rich in protein increased eGFR. Whether long-term consumption of a high-protein diet leads to kidney disease is uncertain.
anyway, from an objective pov, this is false/wrong advertising. the fact that capitalism condones/tolerates/expects/ it, is screwed up to begin with.
you can subjectify it and excuse it all you want, it'll still be iffy. forever+ Show Spoiler +.
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On February 17 2015 00:07 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 21:27 marvellosity wrote:On February 16 2015 20:57 xM(Z wrote:
protein abuse can damage kidneys and can cause liver to build up ammonia in the blood.
oh, and Coca Cola doesn't claim it helps olympians stay healthy. not in individuals with healthy kidneys, no. i'd say science in this case is incomplete/debatable at best: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3602135/Show nested quote +Results
Baseline cystatin C-based eGFR was 92.0±16.3 (SD) mL/min/1.73 m2. Compared with the carbohydrate and unsaturated fat diets, the protein diet increased cystatin C-based eGFR by ~4 mL/min/1.73 m2 (P < 0.001). The effects of the protein diet on kidney function were independent of changes in blood pressure. There was no significant difference between the carbohydrate and unsaturated fat diets. Show nested quote +Conclusions
A healthy diet rich in protein increased eGFR. Whether long-term consumption of a high-protein diet leads to kidney disease is uncertain. anyway, from an objective pov, this is false/wrong advertising. the fact that capitalism condones/tolerates/expects/ it, is screwed up to begin with. you can subjectify it and excuse it all you want, it'll still be iffy. forever + Show Spoiler +.
I'd say that it's scientifically proven by our peers that the amount of protein a person must consume to damage their body is significantly higher than what nearly every one of us consumes, and eating Quest bars and protein shake still doesn't exceed those limits.
Nobody should consume too much of anything, but being lame and nitpicking at protein just because it's better to eat than straight carbs is pretty to an extent where nobody really cares.
Now, if there's a protein epidemic and people start consuming 3 their daily requirement because they think it's healthy, then we need to start actively criticizing why people are idiots for eating too much of one thing.
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Well this thread turned to a scientific debate quite unexpectedly.
Guys, if you support and believe in this campaign buy a shirt and eat your two Quest bars or give them to a body builder.
If you don't support it, don't buy a shirt and eat whatever you want.
edit: On another note, an ad on TL showed Hot Pockets and Curse.com encouraging gamers to recharge on hot pockets. I don't know about all of you, but after watching Cartman scream for more hotpockets from his mom, I totally stopped eating those delicious little calzone. This is in no way related to the thread, but very similar in theme.
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On February 17 2015 00:07 xM(Z wrote:
from an objective pov, this is false/wrong advertising.
well objectively they didn't advertise anything untrue. subjectively you could extrapolate that they are advertising their product as healthy but they didn't actually do that.
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Why no EU shirt? Am sad again.
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On February 17 2015 00:07 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 21:27 marvellosity wrote:On February 16 2015 20:57 xM(Z wrote:
protein abuse can damage kidneys and can cause liver to build up ammonia in the blood.
oh, and Coca Cola doesn't claim it helps olympians stay healthy. not in individuals with healthy kidneys, no. i'd say science in this case is incomplete/debatable at best: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3602135/Show nested quote +Results
Baseline cystatin C-based eGFR was 92.0±16.3 (SD) mL/min/1.73 m2. Compared with the carbohydrate and unsaturated fat diets, the protein diet increased cystatin C-based eGFR by ~4 mL/min/1.73 m2 (P < 0.001). The effects of the protein diet on kidney function were independent of changes in blood pressure. There was no significant difference between the carbohydrate and unsaturated fat diets. Show nested quote +Conclusions
A healthy diet rich in protein increased eGFR. Whether long-term consumption of a high-protein diet leads to kidney disease is uncertain. anyway, from an objective pov, this is false/wrong advertising. the fact that capitalism condones/tolerates/expects/ it, is screwed up to begin with. you can subjectify it and excuse it all you want, it'll still be iffy. forever + Show Spoiler +.
As in sports and nutrition has always been, science is way behind empirical evidence
It's pretty much impossible to have permanent side effects from excessive protein consumption unless you had bad kidneys to begin with
Even if your diet was made up of purely whey protein shakes, the lack of essential fats and vitamins would harm you wayyyyyyyy before the excess of proteins
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On February 18 2015 01:37 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 00:07 xM(Z wrote:
from an objective pov, this is false/wrong advertising. well objectively they didn't advertise anything untrue. subjectively you could extrapolate that they are advertising their product as healthy but they didn't actually do that.
until TL or Quest Nutrition run programs that help kids stay healthy, i'll consider this false advertizing and i have no beef with any of the products.
Edit: i make a distinction here based on what help actually entails. for TL and QN help means giving money and for Action For Healthy Kids help means promoting school health. so, since the same word, practically, means 2 different things which have different values, at least a disclaimer is needed here.
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On February 18 2015 03:47 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 01:37 ComaDose wrote:On February 17 2015 00:07 xM(Z wrote:
from an objective pov, this is false/wrong advertising. well objectively they didn't advertise anything untrue. subjectively you could extrapolate that they are advertising their product as healthy but they didn't actually do that. until TL or Quest Nutrition run programs that help kids stay healthy, i'll consider this false advertizing and i have no beef with any of the products. Edit: i make a distinction here based on what help actually entails. for TL and QN help means giving money and for Action For Healthy Kids help means promoting school health. so, since the same word, practically, means 2 different things which have different values, at least a disclaimer is needed here.
And I'll consider it that you don't exist until you make a post on the TL forums...............
Also, promoting health in schools is mostly done through lobbying. Your expectations are way too high if you think changes in schools are going to come through a t-shirt fundraiser.
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Man, actually it has been already proven by scientist that for children animal proteins are vital for brain development, so you defenitely sholdnt regret
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Got the shirt today, ordered small. It's snug but not as snug as the blue TL shirt - the collar area is a bit looser. I like it.
Will take the Quest bar with me to the gym tomorrow. Could be a good snack afterwards on my way to the office.
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On February 13 2015 03:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 02:41 Specialist wrote:
In america, everything that is not fast food is considered healthy lolol America: where pizza is considered a vegetable User was temp banned for this post.
Seriously, states senate passed a table spoon of tomato sauce as a portion of vegetables. its a damn fruit
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On February 13 2015 02:40 aXa wrote:
Wait, how are those cereal bars supposed to be healthy ?
They're protein bars, I eat one after each gym session. It's good for you.
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On February 22 2015 20:49 Firkraag8 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 02:40 aXa wrote:
Wait, how are those cereal bars supposed to be healthy ? They're protein bars, I eat one after each gym session. It's good for you.
XD
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On February 27 2015 10:53 ShambhalaWar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2015 20:49 Firkraag8 wrote:On February 13 2015 02:40 aXa wrote:
Wait, how are those cereal bars supposed to be healthy ? They're protein bars, I eat one after each gym session. It's good for you. XD
I'm confused, what do you mean by just XD?
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On February 28 2015 00:43 Firkraag8 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 10:53 ShambhalaWar wrote:On February 22 2015 20:49 Firkraag8 wrote:On February 13 2015 02:40 aXa wrote:
Wait, how are those cereal bars supposed to be healthy ? They're protein bars, I eat one after each gym session. It's good for you. XD I'm confused, what do you mean by just XD?
I mean, that just because something has protein in it doesn't make it healthy. Unfortunately a product like this (in my opinion) leads people to that belief.
If I put protein in an almond joy candy bar, that doesn't make it healthy because it has protein and peanuts.
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