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On January 10 2015 04:09 dAPhREAk wrote:
yahoo is reporting the terrorists are dead? is that all of the involved terrorists or are there ongoing operations?
All the terrorists are dead, and they are looking for the girlfriend of the man who took the supermarket hostage for questioning.
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On January 10 2015 04:09 dAPhREAk wrote:
yahoo is reporting the terrorists are dead? is that all of the involved terrorists or are there ongoing operations?
There were 3 terrorists and they are dead yes
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On January 10 2015 04:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 04:00 Tien wrote:On January 10 2015 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 10 2015 03:55 Tien wrote:On January 10 2015 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 10 2015 03:49 Warlock40 wrote:
You have a point - perhaps, if Charlie Hebdo had not offended the religion of the suspects, then they would not have been a target for violence.
But here's the thing - if this cartoon provoked the suspects, it is entirely the fault of the suspects for allowing an expression of free speech to cause them to commit crimes. If you are saying that it's the fault of Charlie Hebdo for provoking them, you are essentially blaming the victim. Because the bottom line is that no one in their right mind should let an expression of free speech motivate them to commit murder. I am not saying it's Charlie Hebdo's fault -- obviously. I am saying i don't understand why do people have to provoke people who think differently about things. Is it "just because you can"? It is a different thing to respond to something than it is to obviously provoke someone -- which this falls into imo. Just research the history of satire and all of its forms. Are you against satire? I know very well what satire is. I am not against it. Sad thing here is not all the people know what satire is and some people ARE against it. SNL is satire based on offending people. The Simpsons is satire. Drawings cartoons is satire. Satire is an expression of free speech. Drawing Muhammad is a right we ought to protect. Just because a book 1500 years ago said you are not allowed to draw doesn't mean we have to surrender our right to draw Muhammad so extremists aren't offended. My entire point is you don't need to protect the right to drawing Muhammad by drawing Muhammad if you know it's gonna sooner or later result in numerous people dying because of it. There are other ways to express freedom of speech.
Except that drawing the prophet Muhammad is not something that should end up in innocent lives being taken. Expressing your right to freedom of expression and freedom of speech should not have you thinking that people are going to die for it.
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
On January 10 2015 04:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 04:00 Tien wrote:On January 10 2015 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 10 2015 03:55 Tien wrote:On January 10 2015 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 10 2015 03:49 Warlock40 wrote:
You have a point - perhaps, if Charlie Hebdo had not offended the religion of the suspects, then they would not have been a target for violence.
But here's the thing - if this cartoon provoked the suspects, it is entirely the fault of the suspects for allowing an expression of free speech to cause them to commit crimes. If you are saying that it's the fault of Charlie Hebdo for provoking them, you are essentially blaming the victim. Because the bottom line is that no one in their right mind should let an expression of free speech motivate them to commit murder. I am not saying it's Charlie Hebdo's fault -- obviously. I am saying i don't understand why do people have to provoke people who think differently about things. Is it "just because you can"? It is a different thing to respond to something than it is to obviously provoke someone -- which this falls into imo. Just research the history of satire and all of its forms. Are you against satire? I know very well what satire is. I am not against it. Sad thing here is not all the people know what satire is and some people ARE against it. SNL is satire based on offending people. The Simpsons is satire. Drawings cartoons is satire. Satire is an expression of free speech. Drawing Muhammad is a right we ought to protect. Just because a book 1500 years ago said you are not allowed to draw doesn't mean we have to surrender our right to draw Muhammad so extremists aren't offended. My entire point is you don't need to protect the right to drawing Muhammad by drawing Muhammad if you know it's gonna sooner or later result in numerous people dying because of it. There are other ways to express freedom of speech.
Then you have just capitulated to terrorist demands when they tell you to stop drawing cartoons. I say no to that.
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One of the Kouachi brother also contacted BFMTV at 10am (Coulibaly also contacted them at 3pm).
He said he was financed by Yemen Al Qaeda. (Coulibaly claimed to be from ISIS)
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On January 10 2015 04:10 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 04:09 dAPhREAk wrote:
yahoo is reporting the terrorists are dead? is that all of the involved terrorists or are there ongoing operations? All the terrorists are dead, and they are looking for the girlfriend of the man who took the supermarket hostage for questioning.
One might be missing, the girlfriend of the terrorist in the Kosher Supermarket, Hayat Boumedienne.
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France9034 Posts
On January 10 2015 03:54 SiroKO wrote:
The most revulsing thing to me is the hypocrisy of the French politicians and PC media.
Everytime there's an Islamic terrorist attack, they refer to the perpetrators as "monsters" or "terrorists" to deprive them from their ISLAMIC ideology.
The truth is, these people motivations are based on a particular, but extremly well-spread and well-documented, understanding of Islam.
So absolute respect for the FN (nationalist, economically at the left, societally at the right) politicians who dare to call these bastards by their names : Islamic terrorists .
Not giving a fuck about being boycotted by the PC media, or losing the muslim votes.
Truth against professional political liers.
Absolute respect for the FN? One of the responsible of what happened? This party who stirr hate between communities all the time? Dude, seriously. And dissociating them from professional political liars is funny...
Fundamentalism isn't a specific trait of any religion. It's when people use religion as a pretext. As it's alway happened in human history. It's not faith which pushes people to kill. It's killers who use faith as a pretext for achieving what they want.
If these had faith, they would trust their god to defend himself if he was "offended" in any way.
Now think again and ask yourself why they weren't the target, but a group of anticlerical cartoonists was. Ask yourself why the muslims are the very first targets of the islamic fundamentalists in the world. Even today, there was this news that two tunisian journalists were killed by ISIS.
Note: I underlined the word that actually bears any meaning in your text.
People need to realize that propagating hatred and intolerance actually brings more hatred and violence.
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On January 10 2015 04:03 Mikau wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 03:54 SiroKO wrote:
The most revulsing thing to me is the hypocrisy of the French politicians and PC media.
Everytime there's an Islamic terrorist attack, they refer to the perpetrators as "monsters" or "terrorists" to deprive them from their ISLAMIC ideology.
The truth is, these people motivations are based on a particular, but extremly well-spread and well-documented, understanding of Islam.
So absolute respect for the FN (nationalist, economically at the left, societally at the right) politicians who dare to call these bastards by their names : Islamic terrorists.
Not giving a fuck about being boycotted by the PC media, or losing the muslim votes.
Truth against professional political liers.
That's the most revolting thing? Not the, I don't know, 12 people that were murdered in cold blood? You have weird priorities here. While it is important to realise what motivated these monsters, the last thing we need is to alienate the (European) Muslim community as a whole. Not because of fear of reprecussion or some misguided sense of political correctness, but because at the end of the day the only way to get through this current wave of terrorism is us working together. We need to realise that over 99% of Muslims are not the enemy and that they hate what happened as much, and probably more so (because it makes them have to defend themselves) than we do.
Decent muslims are most likely a majority among French muslims, but this 1% ratio is total crap.
There are huge issues regarding the muslim community in France.
It is a community with an extreme high proportions of delinquents/criminals, with an extreme high proportion of people on welfare, who refuse to mix with non-muslims (unless they convert and the children get muslims : which is a principle of this religion), who do not cease to be religious (quite the contrary), and who often time remains nationalist toward their "country of origin" while not giving a fuck about France.
Now, you can add terrorism to the list of reasons why they're hated.
Most non-muslims living near muslims tend to dislike them as a whole.
Disliking them as a whole does not mean disliking every single one of them, which would be crazy.
It's just considering that the ratio of bastards among that community is too damn high and that there's a specific problem.
User was temp banned for this post.
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France9034 Posts
On January 10 2015 04:24 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 04:03 Mikau wrote:On January 10 2015 03:54 SiroKO wrote:
The most revulsing thing to me is the hypocrisy of the French politicians and PC media.
Everytime there's an Islamic terrorist attack, they refer to the perpetrators as "monsters" or "terrorists" to deprive them from their ISLAMIC ideology.
The truth is, these people motivations are based on a particular, but extremly well-spread and well-documented, understanding of Islam.
So absolute respect for the FN (nationalist, economically at the left, societally at the right) politicians who dare to call these bastards by their names : Islamic terrorists.
Not giving a fuck about being boycotted by the PC media, or losing the muslim votes.
Truth against professional political liers.
That's the most revolting thing? Not the, I don't know, 12 people that were murdered in cold blood? You have weird priorities here. While it is important to realise what motivated these monsters, the last thing we need is to alienate the (European) Muslim community as a whole. Not because of fear of reprecussion or some misguided sense of political correctness, but because at the end of the day the only way to get through this current wave of terrorism is us working together. We need to realise that over 99% of Muslims are not the enemy and that they hate what happened as much, and probably more so (because it makes them have to defend themselves) than we do. Decent muslims are most likely a majority among muslims, but this 1% ratio is total crap. There are huge issues regarding the muslim community in France. It is a community with an extreme high proportions of delinquents/criminals, with an extreme high proportion of people on welfare, who refuse to mix with non-muslims (unless they convert and the children get muslims : which is a principle of this religion), who do not cease to be religious (quite the contrary), and who often time remains nationalist toward their "country of origin" while not giving a fuck about France. Now, you can add terrorism to the list of reasons why they're hated. Most non-muslims living near muslims tend to dislike them as a whole. Disliking them as a whole does not mean disliking every single one of them, which would be crazy. It's just considering that the ratio of bastards among that community is too damn high and that there's a specific problem.
Seriously, try to see by yourself, and not believe bullshit spewed by hateful people.
"Don't touch my country".
Yeah sure, these completely don't care.
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While I am glad the terrorists got their just punishment for their bloodshed it's still a very tragic incident. France and Charlie Hebdo should not capitulate to the demands of these terrorists who demand free expression be stopped because the home country which adopted them should prevent other citizens from having their right to express and write satire because it is holy to them. If you are going to live in your new country you should be prepared to live in a new culture with different values, one of the most cherished being free expression and press. And it is a sign of extreme insecurity and extremism to me when satirical cartoons made by a group which has offended and satirized any major religious or political figure should suddenly be a threat worthy of death. If you truly believed in your faith then you would simply acknowledge that they would get their just rewards in the afterlife for offending Muhammad, not gun them down in a country which you took as your home. Sadly this logic would not work on extremists so what am I even saying. May France continue to live with the liberal values which define the country, Charlie Hebdo continue to satirize and for the French to never surrender against these disgusting bastards.
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On January 10 2015 04:24 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 04:03 Mikau wrote:On January 10 2015 03:54 SiroKO wrote:
The most revulsing thing to me is the hypocrisy of the French politicians and PC media.
Everytime there's an Islamic terrorist attack, they refer to the perpetrators as "monsters" or "terrorists" to deprive them from their ISLAMIC ideology.
The truth is, these people motivations are based on a particular, but extremly well-spread and well-documented, understanding of Islam.
So absolute respect for the FN (nationalist, economically at the left, societally at the right) politicians who dare to call these bastards by their names : Islamic terrorists.
Not giving a fuck about being boycotted by the PC media, or losing the muslim votes.
Truth against professional political liers.
That's the most revolting thing? Not the, I don't know, 12 people that were murdered in cold blood? You have weird priorities here. While it is important to realise what motivated these monsters, the last thing we need is to alienate the (European) Muslim community as a whole. Not because of fear of reprecussion or some misguided sense of political correctness, but because at the end of the day the only way to get through this current wave of terrorism is us working together. We need to realise that over 99% of Muslims are not the enemy and that they hate what happened as much, and probably more so (because it makes them have to defend themselves) than we do. Decent muslims are most likely a majority among French muslims, but this 1% ratio is total crap. There are huge issues regarding the muslim community in France. It is a community with an extreme high proportions of delinquents/criminals, with an extreme high proportion of people on welfare, who refuse to mix with non-muslims (unless they convert and the children get muslims : which is a principle of this religion), who do not cease to be religious (quite the contrary), and who often time remains nationalist toward their "country of origin" while not giving a fuck about France. Now, you can add terrorism to the list of reasons why they're hated. Most non-muslims living near muslims tend to dislike them as a whole. Disliking them as a whole does not mean disliking every single one of them, which would be crazy. It's just considering that the ratio of bastards among that community is too damn high and that there's a specific problem.
Yeah so I guess you are from the 26% voting for the FN .. 
Anyway glad it's over and that operations were a succes.
I just hope for tthese assholes that their hell does exist and that they rot in it...
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On January 10 2015 04:26 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 04:24 SiroKO wrote:On January 10 2015 04:03 Mikau wrote:On January 10 2015 03:54 SiroKO wrote:
The most revulsing thing to me is the hypocrisy of the French politicians and PC media.
Everytime there's an Islamic terrorist attack, they refer to the perpetrators as "monsters" or "terrorists" to deprive them from their ISLAMIC ideology.
The truth is, these people motivations are based on a particular, but extremly well-spread and well-documented, understanding of Islam.
So absolute respect for the FN (nationalist, economically at the left, societally at the right) politicians who dare to call these bastards by their names : Islamic terrorists.
Not giving a fuck about being boycotted by the PC media, or losing the muslim votes.
Truth against professional political liers.
That's the most revolting thing? Not the, I don't know, 12 people that were murdered in cold blood? You have weird priorities here. While it is important to realise what motivated these monsters, the last thing we need is to alienate the (European) Muslim community as a whole. Not because of fear of reprecussion or some misguided sense of political correctness, but because at the end of the day the only way to get through this current wave of terrorism is us working together. We need to realise that over 99% of Muslims are not the enemy and that they hate what happened as much, and probably more so (because it makes them have to defend themselves) than we do. Decent muslims are most likely a majority among muslims, but this 1% ratio is total crap. There are huge issues regarding the muslim community in France. It is a community with an extreme high proportions of delinquents/criminals, with an extreme high proportion of people on welfare, who refuse to mix with non-muslims (unless they convert and the children get muslims : which is a principle of this religion), who do not cease to be religious (quite the contrary), and who often time remains nationalist toward their "country of origin" while not giving a fuck about France. Now, you can add terrorism to the list of reasons why they're hated. Most non-muslims living near muslims tend to dislike them as a whole. Disliking them as a whole does not mean disliking every single one of them, which would be crazy. It's just considering that the ratio of bastards among that community is too damn high and that there's a specific problem. Seriously, try to see by yourself, and not believe bullshit spewed by hateful people. https://twitter.com/nellyolson75555/status/553547348723654657"Don't touch my France". Yeah sure, these completely don't care.
I could list you the thousands of tweets showing support for Mohammed Merah, or calling to death of Charlie hebdo.
Most of them coming from the younger generations.
I could tell you the atrocities I heard in my own neighborhood today.
Seriously, what are you trying to proof with one pic ? Have you take a close look at the manifestations in support of Charlie Hebdo ? The overwhelming majority of the people were white.
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Time to sleep, sunday is going to be really important.
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On January 10 2015 04:32 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 04:26 Ragnarork wrote:On January 10 2015 04:24 SiroKO wrote:On January 10 2015 04:03 Mikau wrote:On January 10 2015 03:54 SiroKO wrote:
The most revulsing thing to me is the hypocrisy of the French politicians and PC media.
Everytime there's an Islamic terrorist attack, they refer to the perpetrators as "monsters" or "terrorists" to deprive them from their ISLAMIC ideology.
The truth is, these people motivations are based on a particular, but extremly well-spread and well-documented, understanding of Islam.
So absolute respect for the FN (nationalist, economically at the left, societally at the right) politicians who dare to call these bastards by their names : Islamic terrorists.
Not giving a fuck about being boycotted by the PC media, or losing the muslim votes.
Truth against professional political liers.
That's the most revolting thing? Not the, I don't know, 12 people that were murdered in cold blood? You have weird priorities here. While it is important to realise what motivated these monsters, the last thing we need is to alienate the (European) Muslim community as a whole. Not because of fear of reprecussion or some misguided sense of political correctness, but because at the end of the day the only way to get through this current wave of terrorism is us working together. We need to realise that over 99% of Muslims are not the enemy and that they hate what happened as much, and probably more so (because it makes them have to defend themselves) than we do. Decent muslims are most likely a majority among muslims, but this 1% ratio is total crap. There are huge issues regarding the muslim community in France. It is a community with an extreme high proportions of delinquents/criminals, with an extreme high proportion of people on welfare, who refuse to mix with non-muslims (unless they convert and the children get muslims : which is a principle of this religion), who do not cease to be religious (quite the contrary), and who often time remains nationalist toward their "country of origin" while not giving a fuck about France. Now, you can add terrorism to the list of reasons why they're hated. Most non-muslims living near muslims tend to dislike them as a whole. Disliking them as a whole does not mean disliking every single one of them, which would be crazy. It's just considering that the ratio of bastards among that community is too damn high and that there's a specific problem. Seriously, try to see by yourself, and not believe bullshit spewed by hateful people. https://twitter.com/nellyolson75555/status/553547348723654657"Don't touch my France". Yeah sure, these completely don't care. I could list you the thousands of tweets showing support for Mohammed Merah, or calling to death of Charlie hebdo. Most of them coming from the younger generations. I could tell you the atrocities I heard in my own neighborhood today. Seriously, what are you trying to proof with one pic ? Have you take a close look at the manifestations in support of Charlie Hebdo ? The overwhelming majority of the people were white.
And you know what, you can report them, and they risk 5 years of prison and a fine of 100k€. Go ahead.
There are around 3000 tweets that were supporting the CH attack. Most are them probably redundants. 3000 tweets for 5 millions muslims.
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On January 10 2015 04:24 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 04:03 Mikau wrote:On January 10 2015 03:54 SiroKO wrote:
The most revulsing thing to me is the hypocrisy of the French politicians and PC media.
Everytime there's an Islamic terrorist attack, they refer to the perpetrators as "monsters" or "terrorists" to deprive them from their ISLAMIC ideology.
The truth is, these people motivations are based on a particular, but extremly well-spread and well-documented, understanding of Islam.
So absolute respect for the FN (nationalist, economically at the left, societally at the right) politicians who dare to call these bastards by their names : Islamic terrorists.
Not giving a fuck about being boycotted by the PC media, or losing the muslim votes.
Truth against professional political liers.
That's the most revolting thing? Not the, I don't know, 12 people that were murdered in cold blood? You have weird priorities here. While it is important to realise what motivated these monsters, the last thing we need is to alienate the (European) Muslim community as a whole. Not because of fear of reprecussion or some misguided sense of political correctness, but because at the end of the day the only way to get through this current wave of terrorism is us working together. We need to realise that over 99% of Muslims are not the enemy and that they hate what happened as much, and probably more so (because it makes them have to defend themselves) than we do. Decent muslims are most likely a majority among French muslims, but this 1% ratio is total crap. There are huge issues regarding the muslim community in France. It is a community with an extreme high proportions of delinquents/criminals, with an extreme high proportion of people on welfare, who refuse to mix with non-muslims (unless they convert and the children get muslims : which is a principle of this religion), who do not cease to be religious (quite the contrary), and who often time remains nationalist toward their "country of origin" while not giving a fuck about France. Now, you can add terrorism to the list of reasons why they're hated. Most non-muslims living near muslims tend to dislike them as a whole. Disliking them as a whole does not mean disliking every single one of them, which would be crazy. It's just considering that the ratio of bastards among that community is too damn high and that there's a specific problem.
I refuse to debate with you considering the low level of your knowledge. Just get out of your room, watch the real world through your own eyes, meet muslims and you'll know how wrong you are.
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Not safe, you are warned, image of the terrorist running into the RAID and being shot (on the video you could see the hostage already dead before the police came)
I don't have the video it was broadcast on TV.
@ragnarok
really moving, should be shown on TV
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On January 10 2015 04:32 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 04:26 Ragnarork wrote:On January 10 2015 04:24 SiroKO wrote:On January 10 2015 04:03 Mikau wrote:On January 10 2015 03:54 SiroKO wrote:
The most revulsing thing to me is the hypocrisy of the French politicians and PC media.
Everytime there's an Islamic terrorist attack, they refer to the perpetrators as "monsters" or "terrorists" to deprive them from their ISLAMIC ideology.
The truth is, these people motivations are based on a particular, but extremly well-spread and well-documented, understanding of Islam.
So absolute respect for the FN (nationalist, economically at the left, societally at the right) politicians who dare to call these bastards by their names : Islamic terrorists.
Not giving a fuck about being boycotted by the PC media, or losing the muslim votes.
Truth against professional political liers.
That's the most revolting thing? Not the, I don't know, 12 people that were murdered in cold blood? You have weird priorities here. While it is important to realise what motivated these monsters, the last thing we need is to alienate the (European) Muslim community as a whole. Not because of fear of reprecussion or some misguided sense of political correctness, but because at the end of the day the only way to get through this current wave of terrorism is us working together. We need to realise that over 99% of Muslims are not the enemy and that they hate what happened as much, and probably more so (because it makes them have to defend themselves) than we do. Decent muslims are most likely a majority among muslims, but this 1% ratio is total crap. There are huge issues regarding the muslim community in France. It is a community with an extreme high proportions of delinquents/criminals, with an extreme high proportion of people on welfare, who refuse to mix with non-muslims (unless they convert and the children get muslims : which is a principle of this religion), who do not cease to be religious (quite the contrary), and who often time remains nationalist toward their "country of origin" while not giving a fuck about France. Now, you can add terrorism to the list of reasons why they're hated. Most non-muslims living near muslims tend to dislike them as a whole. Disliking them as a whole does not mean disliking every single one of them, which would be crazy. It's just considering that the ratio of bastards among that community is too damn high and that there's a specific problem. Seriously, try to see by yourself, and not believe bullshit spewed by hateful people. https://twitter.com/nellyolson75555/status/553547348723654657"Don't touch my France". Yeah sure, these completely don't care. I could list you the thousands of tweets showing support for Mohammed Merah, or calling to death of Charlie hebdo. Most of them coming from the younger generations.I could tell you the atrocities I heard in my own neighborhood today. Seriously, what are you trying to proof with one pic ? Have you take a close look at the manifestations in support of Charlie Hebdo ? The overwhelming majority of the people were white.
sounds consistent with the user base of social media.
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On January 10 2015 04:26 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 04:24 SiroKO wrote:On January 10 2015 04:03 Mikau wrote:On January 10 2015 03:54 SiroKO wrote:
The most revulsing thing to me is the hypocrisy of the French politicians and PC media.
Everytime there's an Islamic terrorist attack, they refer to the perpetrators as "monsters" or "terrorists" to deprive them from their ISLAMIC ideology.
The truth is, these people motivations are based on a particular, but extremly well-spread and well-documented, understanding of Islam.
So absolute respect for the FN (nationalist, economically at the left, societally at the right) politicians who dare to call these bastards by their names : Islamic terrorists.
Not giving a fuck about being boycotted by the PC media, or losing the muslim votes.
Truth against professional political liers.
That's the most revolting thing? Not the, I don't know, 12 people that were murdered in cold blood? You have weird priorities here. While it is important to realise what motivated these monsters, the last thing we need is to alienate the (European) Muslim community as a whole. Not because of fear of reprecussion or some misguided sense of political correctness, but because at the end of the day the only way to get through this current wave of terrorism is us working together. We need to realise that over 99% of Muslims are not the enemy and that they hate what happened as much, and probably more so (because it makes them have to defend themselves) than we do. Decent muslims are most likely a majority among muslims, but this 1% ratio is total crap. There are huge issues regarding the muslim community in France. It is a community with an extreme high proportions of delinquents/criminals, with an extreme high proportion of people on welfare, who refuse to mix with non-muslims (unless they convert and the children get muslims : which is a principle of this religion), who do not cease to be religious (quite the contrary), and who often time remains nationalist toward their "country of origin" while not giving a fuck about France. Now, you can add terrorism to the list of reasons why they're hated. Most non-muslims living near muslims tend to dislike them as a whole. Disliking them as a whole does not mean disliking every single one of them, which would be crazy. It's just considering that the ratio of bastards among that community is too damn high and that there's a specific problem. Seriously, try to see by yourself, and not believe bullshit spewed by hateful people. https://twitter.com/nellyolson75555/status/553547348723654657"Don't touch my country". Yeah sure, these completely don't care.
I would be really happy if the "islamic community" in France define themselves as french first and foremost and actually start to make other remember.
I'm a teacher in the 93. In some of my class none of my student consider themselves "french". They say "I'm serb", "I'm algerian", etc. They're great kids, with great qualities and values (altho they suck as student for the most part  ) but it's true that overall, they don't feel "french", and more than that in some place they refuse to consider themself as french. I happen to have some algerian blood myself, from my father, and a lot of kids try, at some point of the year, to find clues on that. As soon as they know, they jump every where saying "he's algerian !", while I'm not. Last year I was teaching in a city with an important jewish community and they all thought I was jew because of my name...
We, as a society, lost ourselves in particularism and refused to define ourselves through our common membership in the Republic, as citizens. By refusing to defend those transcendental values - the republic, the nation, the citizenship - we've forgot generations of kids for whom being french is not necessarily an evidence. At least, this tragedy might force us to see positively our common membership.
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