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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
What did he do to fuck up so badly then? I hear bits and pieces but what's the overall picture of why he was so bad? | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On April 24 2017 05:49 Makro wrote: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://assets.weforum.org/editor/fCJQzuAjErQuCP5ctFz8WHDaK0dm8PbuKepY6LJI_ok.jpg) one of the first source i've found but you will have access to the same relative numbers even for 2016 OK, so does that mean 35 hours (required) + 2.5 hours (overtime)? How does the 35-hour workweek fit in here? | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On April 24 2017 05:50 LegalLord wrote: What did he do to fuck up so badly then? I hear bits and pieces but what's the overall picture of why he was so bad? He was elected for change and he maintained statu quo He said he would renegotiate the TSCG and didn't do it He had a left-wing discourse but governed to the right of Sarkozy He said he would reduce unemployment, his economic policy (and Macron's one...) created 1 million of extra jobless people He weakened workers' rights while his social base elected him for social justice and progress He didn't rise low salaries or pensions He belongs to the PS, so he's automatically rejected by the right; and he betrayed the left (ecologists and the left-wing of the PS left the government) Hence why he ended with 10-20% support | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On April 24 2017 05:50 LegalLord wrote: What did he do to fuck up so badly then? I hear bits and pieces but what's the overall picture of why he was so bad? He governed. Yeah he's not exactly an exceptional president but he basically absorbed the blunt trauma of the post-2008 economic crisis. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On April 24 2017 05:52 Shield wrote: OK, so does that mean 35 hours (required) + 2.5 hours (overtime)? How does the 35-hour workweek fit in here? From the 36th hour onwards, you're supposed to be paid in overtime tariff, yes. | ||
Poopi
France12886 Posts
On April 24 2017 05:38 TheDwf wrote: Vote by age: ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-HtbVIXkAMULbD.jpg) 1) Mélenchon stomps everyone with the youngest <3 2) Notice Fillon's huge success below 50 years (planned death of the governmental right here) 3) Elders killed Mélenchon, as expected... Vote by CSP: ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-HwoJHXgAEsTYx.jpg) Don't know how to translate cadre... Senior executive? Intermediary professions Employee Worker Retired 1) Lower classes want to flip the table 2) Upper classes want statu quo/more neoliberalism Vote per diploma: ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-HxmpuXkAACH3k.jpg) 1) As usual, people with no or “low” diploma massively vote for Le Pen 2) As usual, people with the highest level of diploma vote for the liberal centrist Vote per income: ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-HzNdEW0AA3kf7.jpg) Speaks for itself... 1) Macron and Fillon candidates of the riches 2) Mélenchon and Le Pen overperform among the poor and modest In a few graphs you can understand why the French society is blocked and doomed, the result in 2 weeks won't stabilize it So basically those who have the most experience voted for Fillon while those who don't know much yet voted for Melenchon? Not sure if you should '<3' that thus | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
Ya but that's after he said he wasn't running, before that some polls put him bellow 10% of satisfaction (I remember one Le Monde poll having him at like 4% approval). He has been up on the approval in every poll since he got the said he wasn't running, the king is dead long live the king I guess. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On April 24 2017 05:54 TheDwf wrote: He was elected for change and he maintained statu quo Sounds like you're going to have another one of those right now. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On April 24 2017 05:58 Poopi wrote: So basically those who have the most experience voted for Fillon while those who don't know much yet voted for Melenchon? Not sure if you should '<3' that thus It's not a matter of experience lol, it's the post-WWII gaullist generation sticking to its candidate and dying party. If experience means voting for a corrupt, lying crook and believing the stupid conspirationnist crap that he spouts to defend himself, then better be inexperienced. The fact that Fillon barely scores more than 10% below 50 years says enough. He's a man of the past, the candidate of the retirement homes: good riddance. And yes winning the battle of youth is nice, just like it was good that Sanders was (is) so popular among the US youth. Mélenchon talked about ecology; Fillon, never. Global warming is of course no problem when half your electorate will be dead in 15 years. One did his job to warn the new generations about big changes to come, the other one preached his nostalgia of the rural, Catholic France of the XIXth century. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 24 2017 05:42 TheDwf wrote: ?? Immigration doesn't kill the nation-state, it simply kills the far-right fantasy of an ethnically “pure” people. France already has one of the lowest immigration in developed countries, there's not much to slow down to begin with; it's mostly in their head A nation, at its core, is related to origins and birthplace ; it's even in its etymology (natio and nascor). A nation-state with immigration will have its people federate around a culture with common values (in which case it should be called a Culture-State), and/or a given political system (System-State ; case of people immigrating in or out of Communist, authoritarian or pluralist regimes), and/or common goals. But the very principle of nation goes against immigration, which is why nationalism, even "mild", always devolves into intolerance at best, and war at worst. | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On April 24 2017 06:03 Nakajin wrote: Ya but that's after he said he wasn't running, before that some polls put him bellow 10% of satisfaction (I remember one Le Monde poll having him at like 4% approval). He has been up on the approval in every poll since he got the said he wasn't running, the king is dead long live the king I guess. 53% was in May 2012, he said upon election, not just before the 2017 election. As of now he's like ~20-25% from memory. Yeah, people like Hollande a bit more now that he withdrew: the relief of knowing that he won't run again... but also, probably, the certitude that the next one will be even worse. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On April 24 2017 06:10 TheDwf wrote: 53% was in May 2012, he said upon election, not just before the 2017 election. As of now he's like ~20-25% from memory. Yeah, people like Hollande a bit more now that he withdrew: the relief of knowing that he won't run again... but also, probably, the certitude that the next one will be even worse. Ah ok, I tough upon election meant today, I need to work on my english lol. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
 I can probably google it, but I'm just looking for summary. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 24 2017 06:09 bardtown wrote: So why don't you just come out and say that you're an anarchist? Without the nation state everything is a free for all. And some other nation state with a nice patriotic military will pick up the pieces. No, people can freely unite behind ideals, goals, systems or values independently of their nationality. You seem to believe people are defined by where they come from, I define people based on where they're going. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 24 2017 06:16 Shield wrote: So to change topic a bit. What are key ideas of Macron? Please be (relatively) objective. I can probably google it, but I'm just looking for summary.Economic deregulation, emphasis on entrepreneurs, startups and new technologies, positive attitude towards globalization (in the sense that globalization is an opportunity to make money), strenghtening of the European Union (common Finance Minister for the EU, giving the 73 UK seats at the European Parliament to fully European lists instead of national ones, etc), decently progressive attitude on societal subjects (gay marriage, etc), heavily pro-US stance on international politics. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On April 24 2017 06:19 Makro wrote: the big question right now should probably be who will be the prime minister of macron the young and dynamic president Maybe Bayrou? A well establish and respected politician and centrist, it will depend of the parliament he is gonna have of course. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On April 24 2017 06:06 OtherWorld wrote: A nation, at its core, is related to origins and birthplace ; it's even in its etymology (natio and nascor). A nation-state with immigration will have its people federate around a culture with common values (in which case it should be called a Culture-State), and/or a given political system (System-State ; case of people immigrating in or out of Communist, authoritarian or pluralist regimes), and/or common goals. But the very principle of nation goes against immigration, which is why nationalism, even "mild", always devolves into intolerance at best, and war at worst. If you have an ethnic conception of the nation, yes. But that's not the case in France, where it's supposed to be a political contract (the Republic); a civic nation. There is no Volk here. | ||
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