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United Kingdom13775 Posts
Being Goldman Sachs' golden boy is not generally seen as a positive anymore. And that's basically what Macron is.
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americans will be pleased, macron speaks english
he doesn't even know batshit about his own country (thinking guyane was an island), but he speaks english so that's good :>
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On April 24 2017 03:39 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2017 03:37 Clonester wrote:On April 24 2017 03:29 Clonester wrote:On April 24 2017 03:26 Sent. wrote:On April 24 2017 03:24 warding wrote:On April 24 2017 03:23 TheDwf wrote:On April 24 2017 03:19 Makro wrote:
i have to say that watching the downfall of the PS is quite glorious and an enjoyable experience Yeah, it's my only source of solace. It's 1969 all over again, the social-democracy dying in disgrace and dishonor, and preventing a more radical left to reach the second round Can't you guys do your crazy radical left experiments without having to leave the EU? It would make me a little bit less nervous watching French elections that way... Can't do crazy radical left experiments in the common market, would probably violate one of the economic freedoms Well, you can at least watch the results outside of a common market... Venezuela. Then for example gulf states would have the same problems, but their countries are not bankrupt, extremly violent and close to a civil war. Ever heard of Iraq? 
That country went totally wrecked way before the oil prize went down.
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On April 24 2017 03:36 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2017 03:31 TheDwf wrote:On April 24 2017 03:26 opisska wrote:
Looking in detail on the French system, why is this election such a big deal? The president isn't that as powerful as it might seem from the uproar about the elections. He isn't even a head of the government, he has to name a prime minister to be approved my the majority in the parliament. In fact his powers aren't that much bigger than those of the Czech president and here this post is largely considered symbolical (even though the latest holder has shown some pretty creative ways to abuse the powers for actual influence). The president has massive power (I mean, theorically; now with globalization and the eurozone, he just follows the trend), the separation between executive and legislative is largely artificial. The Assemblée is mostly a registration chamber for the will of the executive The prime minister is the president's minion, he doesn't really matter That being said, Macron will have troubles getting a majority, and since he'll on top of a coalition of opposite views, the Parliament might actually matter a bit this time Well but that's the Assemblée's decision to be, isn't it? Because the technical powers of the president are pretty laughable, he can't even properly veto laws! Surely, if he has majority in the parliament, than he rules pretty freely, but that isn't what this election is about, is it? But if he hasn't majority, then he can't even appoint the government as he pleases, the parliament can always remove it, he can't pass any laws ...
Yes, without a majority he cannot do anything. But when the president has one, he can basically whip his majority into doing whatever he wants. And even if the députés don't really want it, he has the 49-3 to coerce them into passing a bill. If Macron has a majority, it will very likely be a bunch of yes-men who will obey him. Macron even wants them to grant him extra power so that he can dismantle workers' rights by decree this summer -.-
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On April 24 2017 03:40 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2017 03:36 opisska wrote:On April 24 2017 03:31 TheDwf wrote:On April 24 2017 03:26 opisska wrote:
Looking in detail on the French system, why is this election such a big deal? The president isn't that as powerful as it might seem from the uproar about the elections. He isn't even a head of the government, he has to name a prime minister to be approved my the majority in the parliament. In fact his powers aren't that much bigger than those of the Czech president and here this post is largely considered symbolical (even though the latest holder has shown some pretty creative ways to abuse the powers for actual influence). The president has massive power (I mean, theorically; now with globalization and the eurozone, he just follows the trend), the separation between executive and legislative is largely artificial. The Assemblée is mostly a registration chamber for the will of the executive The prime minister is the president's minion, he doesn't really matter That being said, Macron will have troubles getting a majority, and since he'll on top of a coalition of opposite views, the Parliament might actually matter a bit this time Well but that's the Assemblée's decision to be, isn't it? Because the technical powers of the president are pretty laughable, he can't even properly veto laws! Surely, if he has majority in the parliament, than he rules pretty freely, but that isn't what this election is about, is it? But if he hasn't majority, then he can't even appoint the government as he pleases, the parliament can always remove it, he can't pass any laws ... The president can dissolve the Assemblée when he want, and organize new election.
And if he does it, people are gonna vote for his party? I can't say I ever understood the French very well, but even for them it seems a little far-fetched. If someone just dissolves the parliament to have his way instead of trying to find a majority compromise, it just doesn't seem like a good PR ...
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France12886 Posts
On April 24 2017 03:41 Makro wrote:
americans will be pleased, macron speaks english
he doesn't even know batshit about his own country (thinking guyane was an island), but he speaks english so that's good :>
Why would you know that Guyane is an island or not if you live in the metropolis (is that the term?) tho?
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United Kingdom13775 Posts
On April 24 2017 03:41 Makro wrote:
americans will be pleased, macron speaks english
he doesn't even know batshit about his own country (thinking guyane was an island), but he speaks english so that's good :>
Americans are always happy to have one of their own inserts in the leadership of foreign nations. Depending on how much of a sense of independence said other country has, they may or may not mind playing along.
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On April 24 2017 03:43 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2017 03:41 Makro wrote:
americans will be pleased, macron speaks english
he doesn't even know batshit about his own country (thinking guyane was an island), but he speaks english so that's good :> Why would you know that Guyane is an island or not if you live in the metropolis (is that the term?) tho?
is this a true question ? :D
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On April 24 2017 03:37 Sent. wrote:
Didn't Fillon fail mostly because he's Fillon and not because he's the UMP/LR candidate? That scandal with his wife probably hurt his chances a lot
Yes, any other candidate without scandals would have probably reached the second round.
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On April 24 2017 03:42 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2017 03:36 opisska wrote:On April 24 2017 03:31 TheDwf wrote:On April 24 2017 03:26 opisska wrote:
Looking in detail on the French system, why is this election such a big deal? The president isn't that as powerful as it might seem from the uproar about the elections. He isn't even a head of the government, he has to name a prime minister to be approved my the majority in the parliament. In fact his powers aren't that much bigger than those of the Czech president and here this post is largely considered symbolical (even though the latest holder has shown some pretty creative ways to abuse the powers for actual influence). The president has massive power (I mean, theorically; now with globalization and the eurozone, he just follows the trend), the separation between executive and legislative is largely artificial. The Assemblée is mostly a registration chamber for the will of the executive The prime minister is the president's minion, he doesn't really matter That being said, Macron will have troubles getting a majority, and since he'll on top of a coalition of opposite views, the Parliament might actually matter a bit this time Well but that's the Assemblée's decision to be, isn't it? Because the technical powers of the president are pretty laughable, he can't even properly veto laws! Surely, if he has majority in the parliament, than he rules pretty freely, but that isn't what this election is about, is it? But if he hasn't majority, then he can't even appoint the government as he pleases, the parliament can always remove it, he can't pass any laws ... Yes, without a majority he cannot do anything. But when the president has one, he can basically whip his majority into doing whatever he wants. And even if the députés don't really want it, he has the 49-3 to coerce them into passing a bill. If Macron has a majority, it will very likely be a bunch of yes-men who will obey him. Macron even wants them to grant him extra power so that he can dismantle workers' rights by decree this summer -.-
That is a puzzling thing. How does the 49-3 work in practice, the president can pass any bill using it? What is the point of the parliament then? There must be some limitations, no?
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Canada8989 Posts
On April 24 2017 03:43 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2017 03:40 Nakajin wrote:On April 24 2017 03:36 opisska wrote:On April 24 2017 03:31 TheDwf wrote:On April 24 2017 03:26 opisska wrote:
Looking in detail on the French system, why is this election such a big deal? The president isn't that as powerful as it might seem from the uproar about the elections. He isn't even a head of the government, he has to name a prime minister to be approved my the majority in the parliament. In fact his powers aren't that much bigger than those of the Czech president and here this post is largely considered symbolical (even though the latest holder has shown some pretty creative ways to abuse the powers for actual influence). The president has massive power (I mean, theorically; now with globalization and the eurozone, he just follows the trend), the separation between executive and legislative is largely artificial. The Assemblée is mostly a registration chamber for the will of the executive The prime minister is the president's minion, he doesn't really matter That being said, Macron will have troubles getting a majority, and since he'll on top of a coalition of opposite views, the Parliament might actually matter a bit this time Well but that's the Assemblée's decision to be, isn't it? Because the technical powers of the president are pretty laughable, he can't even properly veto laws! Surely, if he has majority in the parliament, than he rules pretty freely, but that isn't what this election is about, is it? But if he hasn't majority, then he can't even appoint the government as he pleases, the parliament can always remove it, he can't pass any laws ... The president can dissolve the Assemblée when he want, and organize new election. And if he does it, people are gonna vote for his party? I can't say I ever understood the French very well, but even for them it seems a little far-fetched. If someone just dissolves the parliament to have his way instead of trying to find a majority compromise, it just doesn't seem like a good PR ...
Well usually the president doesn't do it but he can use the threat to force the government to negotiate with him.
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On April 24 2017 03:43 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2017 03:40 Nakajin wrote:On April 24 2017 03:36 opisska wrote:On April 24 2017 03:31 TheDwf wrote:On April 24 2017 03:26 opisska wrote:
Looking in detail on the French system, why is this election such a big deal? The president isn't that as powerful as it might seem from the uproar about the elections. He isn't even a head of the government, he has to name a prime minister to be approved my the majority in the parliament. In fact his powers aren't that much bigger than those of the Czech president and here this post is largely considered symbolical (even though the latest holder has shown some pretty creative ways to abuse the powers for actual influence). The president has massive power (I mean, theorically; now with globalization and the eurozone, he just follows the trend), the separation between executive and legislative is largely artificial. The Assemblée is mostly a registration chamber for the will of the executive The prime minister is the president's minion, he doesn't really matter That being said, Macron will have troubles getting a majority, and since he'll on top of a coalition of opposite views, the Parliament might actually matter a bit this time Well but that's the Assemblée's decision to be, isn't it? Because the technical powers of the president are pretty laughable, he can't even properly veto laws! Surely, if he has majority in the parliament, than he rules pretty freely, but that isn't what this election is about, is it? But if he hasn't majority, then he can't even appoint the government as he pleases, the parliament can always remove it, he can't pass any laws ... The president can dissolve the Assemblée when he want, and organize new election. And if he does it, people are gonna vote for his party? I can't say I ever understood the French very well, but even for them it seems a little far-fetched. If someone just dissolves the parliament to have his way instead of trying to find a majority compromise, it just doesn't seem like a good PR ...
The dissolution is a threat which precisely allows the President to hold his majority: if you don't obey me, I can trigger a political crisis...
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On April 24 2017 03:44 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2017 03:42 TheDwf wrote:On April 24 2017 03:36 opisska wrote:On April 24 2017 03:31 TheDwf wrote:On April 24 2017 03:26 opisska wrote:
Looking in detail on the French system, why is this election such a big deal? The president isn't that as powerful as it might seem from the uproar about the elections. He isn't even a head of the government, he has to name a prime minister to be approved my the majority in the parliament. In fact his powers aren't that much bigger than those of the Czech president and here this post is largely considered symbolical (even though the latest holder has shown some pretty creative ways to abuse the powers for actual influence). The president has massive power (I mean, theorically; now with globalization and the eurozone, he just follows the trend), the separation between executive and legislative is largely artificial. The Assemblée is mostly a registration chamber for the will of the executive The prime minister is the president's minion, he doesn't really matter That being said, Macron will have troubles getting a majority, and since he'll on top of a coalition of opposite views, the Parliament might actually matter a bit this time Well but that's the Assemblée's decision to be, isn't it? Because the technical powers of the president are pretty laughable, he can't even properly veto laws! Surely, if he has majority in the parliament, than he rules pretty freely, but that isn't what this election is about, is it? But if he hasn't majority, then he can't even appoint the government as he pleases, the parliament can always remove it, he can't pass any laws ... Yes, without a majority he cannot do anything. But when the president has one, he can basically whip his majority into doing whatever he wants. And even if the députés don't really want it, he has the 49-3 to coerce them into passing a bill. If Macron has a majority, it will very likely be a bunch of yes-men who will obey him. Macron even wants them to grant him extra power so that he can dismantle workers' rights by decree this summer -.- That is a puzzling thing. How does the 49-3 work in practice, the president can pass any bill using it? What is the point of the parliament then? There must be some limitations, no?
the 49-3 works only because députés are a bunch of empty shell
it's basically a vote saying to them "you're for or against me" and each time most of them, after trying to debate for days, just bend over
if anything the 49-3 show how silly the députés are
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What a trajectory if Macron wins, though. President at 38, elected during the troubled times of the mid-2010s. He will be studied as a masterclass of opportunism and career-building.
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Canada8989 Posts
Fillion behind Macron, lets see if his voter are gonna follow him.
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On April 24 2017 03:46 OtherWorld wrote:
What a trajectory if Macron wins, though. President at 38, elected during the troubled times of the mid-2010s. He will be studied as a masterclass of opportunism and career-building.
fillon downfall was a one in a life time blessing, he couldn't expect better
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France12886 Posts
On April 24 2017 03:44 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2017 03:43 Poopi wrote:On April 24 2017 03:41 Makro wrote:
americans will be pleased, macron speaks english
he doesn't even know batshit about his own country (thinking guyane was an island), but he speaks english so that's good :> Why would you know that Guyane is an island or not if you live in the metropolis (is that the term?) tho? is this a true question ? :D
The real question is why would you care 
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On April 24 2017 03:44 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2017 03:42 TheDwf wrote:On April 24 2017 03:36 opisska wrote:On April 24 2017 03:31 TheDwf wrote:On April 24 2017 03:26 opisska wrote:
Looking in detail on the French system, why is this election such a big deal? The president isn't that as powerful as it might seem from the uproar about the elections. He isn't even a head of the government, he has to name a prime minister to be approved my the majority in the parliament. In fact his powers aren't that much bigger than those of the Czech president and here this post is largely considered symbolical (even though the latest holder has shown some pretty creative ways to abuse the powers for actual influence). The president has massive power (I mean, theorically; now with globalization and the eurozone, he just follows the trend), the separation between executive and legislative is largely artificial. The Assemblée is mostly a registration chamber for the will of the executive The prime minister is the president's minion, he doesn't really matter That being said, Macron will have troubles getting a majority, and since he'll on top of a coalition of opposite views, the Parliament might actually matter a bit this time Well but that's the Assemblée's decision to be, isn't it? Because the technical powers of the president are pretty laughable, he can't even properly veto laws! Surely, if he has majority in the parliament, than he rules pretty freely, but that isn't what this election is about, is it? But if he hasn't majority, then he can't even appoint the government as he pleases, the parliament can always remove it, he can't pass any laws ... Yes, without a majority he cannot do anything. But when the president has one, he can basically whip his majority into doing whatever he wants. And even if the députés don't really want it, he has the 49-3 to coerce them into passing a bill. If Macron has a majority, it will very likely be a bunch of yes-men who will obey him. Macron even wants them to grant him extra power so that he can dismantle workers' rights by decree this summer -.- That is a puzzling thing. How does the 49-3 work in practice, the president can pass any bill using it? What is the point of the parliament then? There must be some limitations, no?
The Prime minister uses the 49-3, but naturally it's decided between the president and him. The 49-3 says: either you overthrow this government, or the bill passes. The government was pretty much never overthrown when the 49-3 was used. It can be used only once per parliamentary session, but it allows to pass critical bills such as the labour reform last year. The Macron law (liberalization) was also passed with 49-3 because a few left-wing PS députés did not want to vote it.
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On April 24 2017 03:37 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2017 03:29 Nyxisto wrote:
I don't really know why people keep cheering for radical candidates. Radicalised minorities are not supposed to win in a democracy. People seem to forget that their are citizens around who didn't like them at all. Mélenchon's or Le Pen's vision is not something that a majority of French people want. Lol, you realize that Macron's vision is not a majority either? We have roughly 25-25-25-20 for left/centre/right/far-right, no one is majority in this country Also lol @ thinking that Macron isn't radical, he is radical in his liberalism, we'll see that soon enough when he slaughters our social model
I don't think that Macron is as hard to swallow for any other camps than Mélenchon or Le Pen would be for the rest of French society, for the reason alone that Macron is basically going to leave all the major institutions in tact. Mélenchon wanted a sixth Republic lol.
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On April 24 2017 03:50 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2017 03:37 TheDwf wrote:On April 24 2017 03:29 Nyxisto wrote:
I don't really know why people keep cheering for radical candidates. Radicalised minorities are not supposed to win in a democracy. People seem to forget that their are citizens around who didn't like them at all. Mélenchon's or Le Pen's vision is not something that a majority of French people want. Lol, you realize that Macron's vision is not a majority either? We have roughly 25-25-25-20 for left/centre/right/far-right, no one is majority in this country Also lol @ thinking that Macron isn't radical, he is radical in his liberalism, we'll see that soon enough when he slaughters our social model I don't think that Macron is as hard to swallow for any other camps than Mélenchon or Le Pen would be for the rest of French society, for the reason alone that Macron is basically going to leave all the major institutions in tact. Mélenchon wanted a sixth Republic lol.
90% of the French want some kind of major or mild change to institutions... Macron is, precisely, totally minority when he wants to leave the institutions untouched
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