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On April 17 2017 02:09 HolydaKing wrote:Lol, 64% of Turks living in Germany voted yes. In Austria it was even 71%. Not to mention France, Belgium etc... looks like people really like Erdogan. ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9jIoduXgAE76Fj.jpg:large)
At the time of that tweet, at most 30% of votes casted within germany were counted. Given the general trend, the percentage of "yes" votes seems to be decreasing over time. But anything higher than 40% yes (in germany) would be a real disappointment for me.
Zeit.de and the guardian report that the close-to-100% number of "counted votes" is actually only the number of ballots opened.
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Apparently it's not decided yet, only about 78% of votes are counted yet unlike the 99% reported before. Still ~52% yes to 48% no though.
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On April 17 2017 02:51 HolydaKing wrote:
Apparently it's not decided yet, only about 78% of votes are counted yet unlike the 99% reported before. Still ~52% yes to 48% no though.
Where did you get this information from?
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It's over 97% counted with Yes still in the lead. I think it's over. Istanbul and all the areas which get western tourism voted No.
![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9jJz6YXgAABPPT.jpg:large)
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On April 16 2017 19:57 Artisreal wrote:
Idolizing the so called motherland is pretty common. Especially if a person is uprooted and doesn't really feel like s/he belongs where s/he's at right now. That much should be clear if you pay attention to your classmates in school.
and you add to that a common inferiority complex
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The yes area cuts surprisingly deep into Kurdistan.
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This whole thing is a mess.
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And all this was clear months ago.
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The people have spoken - they want Erdogan to have power, unlimited power. And he has heard their mandate and intends to deliver.
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'The people have spoken'. As if... There's no free press, no coverage for anything anti erdogan etc. This has nothing to do with democracy and hasn't for a while now.
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On April 17 2017 05:16 RvB wrote:
'The people have spoken'. As if... There's no free press, no coverage for anything anti erdogan etc. This has nothing to do with democracy and hasn't for a while now.
Not to mention the fact that the outcome was just barely in favor of "yes", and it might've been rigged to some degree.
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Good bye to thr last remnant of turkish democracy then. Geez, lucky we didn't accept the country in the EU
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It's highly unlikely but it would be very interesting if Turkish military tried to overthrow Erdogan again, this time for real. Do we even know who was behind the first coup?
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Ever considering it was ridiculous, it was not gonna happen and the resulting situation was bad for all parties.
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A week before France's presidential election, the four top candidates began a final push Sunday to woo undecided voters who will determine the outcome of a tight race between the hard left, centre, right and far right.
On April 23, the French will vote in the first round of the country's most unpredictable election in decades. Two of the 11 candidates will go through to a decisive run-off on May 7.
The election is being closely watched in Brussels and around the world, with a duel between far-right leader Marine Le Pen and surging leftist radical Jean-Luc Melenchon, both eurosceptics, one of the possible outcomes.
Opinion polls show record numbers of voters -- one in three -- still undecided about who to back after a campaign that has been big on scandals but short on policy debate.
An ebullient Melenchon, leader of La France Insoumise (Unbowed France), drew tens of thousands of supporters at an open-air rally in Toulouse where he bashed his rivals, US President Donald Trump and the European Union.
Condemning Trump's recent airstrikes against Syria's regime the 65-year-old said "no people can accept that there is a world sheriff who decides alone who is murdered."
In a barnstorming speech stressing freedom and international solidarity, he defended his close ties to Venezuela and Cuba, saying his rivals kept worse company.
- 'Tea with Putin' -
"Do I have to answer to Marine Le Pen about my anti-Western friendships when she takes tea with (Russian President Vladimir) Putin?" he asked.
He stirred particular passions when he rapped scandal-hit conservative Francois Fillon and EU "austerity treaties" -- triggering chants of "Degagez" (Get lost), the rallying cry of the Arab Spring of revolts.
During a visit to a World War I battlefield, outgoing Socialist President Francois Hollande appealed to the candidates not to "scapegoat Europe", saying it had "protected us against war".
Melenchon's spurt has shaken up the race, with many hesitating between voting with their hearts and a tactical vote for whichever candidate is given the best chance of barring him or Le Pen -- both of whom are threatening to quit the euro.
Yahoo News
Will the real Jean-Luc Mélenchon stand up? On Tuesday, Mélenchon, the rising star of the French presidential election, will appear in the eastern city of Dijon. Simultaneously a 3D hologram of the veteran hard-left politician will be beamed to six other French cities. He may not literally be there, but just days from France’s heavily contested leadership vote “JLM” will be attempting to show that his programme has more substance than his ethereal appearance might suggest.
In an election where historic and “never before” moments have become commonplace, the spectacular rise of Mélenchon has crossed a new line. Pollsters agree he is now a serious challenger to Les Républicains candidate François Fillon, who is in third position. Whether he can go further is anyone’s guess.
The favourites to make the second-round runoff on 7 May remain far-right Front National candidate Marine Le Pen and the independent centrist Emmanuel Macron. But with up to one-third of France’s 47 million voters undecided, and another 30% so disillusioned with French politics that they say they will abstain, the field is still wide open.
Two months ago any suggestion that Mélenchon, head of La France Insoumise (Unbowed France), could be a serious contender for the Elysée would have been thought laughable. Now it is no joke. Mélenchon’s popularity is running level with the beleaguered, scandal-hit Fillon in some polls, higher in others.
Le Monde says France is in the unusual situation of having four presidential candidates, any one of whom could win. Like Le Pen, Mélenchon is appealing to young voters with his hologram meetings, his upbeat election messages and his entertainingly forthright approach to televised debates.
Les Echos, France’s financial newspaper, described Mélenchon as “the new French risk”. Mélenchon would dramatically raise public spending, partly through taxing salaries above €400,000 (£339,000) at 90%. He wants to renegotiate EU treaties and quit Nato, the World Trade Organisation, the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank, all of which are viewed by La France Insoumise as instruments of a failing globalised capitalism.
The Guardian
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Here the Turks voted pretty much as they did in Turkey (assuming the official results from Turkey are fair and correct): 52% yes and 48% no. I find it interesting that Turks in EU overwhelmingly voted yes, perhaps the 2 "incidents" in Germany and Netherlands swayed them, or perhaps failing to integrate in western society and feeling disconnect is the main reason, or maybe both. In any case, I did expect something like this and Im not sure what to make of it just yet. Erdogan seems to be aggressively positioning over some key issues like Visas and death penalty, with the refugees as his main bargaining chip. If he decides to open the flood gates, I think Turkey is going to suffer first because they will have to travel by land, no way all 3 million of them can take boats/ships to Greece or Italy, in which case Bulgaria will close the borders, and Greece will probably be the one to suffer the most, perhaps even my country. We'll see though, Im still not convinced Erdogan will do something like that, but I wouldn't exclude the option either.
This was just posted on one of our news sites here, not sure how valid this is.
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The turks all over many EU countries voting for Erdogan was allready well documented and you can track it back to how they were brought in.
Countries that sought cheap workes ---> Erdogan!!!
Countries that took Kurs/Minorities/Whateverreaseon --> Well, more split with more NO.
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Also notably less campaigning effort in countries like the UK which might be a secondary reason because of the different demographics , but the kind of effort they've been pumping into pro-AKP campaigns here has always been pretty crazy.
Also Turks in the US and the UK make up less than < 0.2% and < 1% of the population respectively, I don't know how dispersed they are but with those small numbers there's usually little autonomy and connection to the country of origin.
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EPT
