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Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
April 16 2017 17:50 GMT
#15601
On April 17 2017 02:09 HolydaKing wrote:
Lol, 64% of Turks living in Germany voted yes. In Austria it was even 71%. Not to mention France, Belgium etc... looks like people really like Erdogan.

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At the time of that tweet, at most 30% of votes casted within germany were counted. Given the general trend, the percentage of "yes" votes seems to be decreasing over time. But anything higher than 40% yes (in germany) would be a real disappointment for me.
Zeit.de and the guardian report that the close-to-100% number of "counted votes" is actually only the number of ballots opened.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
April 16 2017 17:51 GMT
#15602
Apparently it's not decided yet, only about 78% of votes are counted yet unlike the 99% reported before. Still ~52% yes to 48% no though.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6290 Posts
April 16 2017 17:59 GMT
#15603
On April 17 2017 02:51 HolydaKing wrote:
Apparently it's not decided yet, only about 78% of votes are counted yet unlike the 99% reported before. Still ~52% yes to 48% no though.

Where did you get this information from?
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
April 16 2017 18:10 GMT
#15604
On April 17 2017 02:59 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2017 02:51 HolydaKing wrote:
Apparently it's not decided yet, only about 78% of votes are counted yet unlike the 99% reported before. Still ~52% yes to 48% no though.

Where did you get this information from?

http://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2017-04/referendum-tuerkei-recep-tayyip-erdogan-live

The update from 19:39 there, apparently it's from Attila Firat ... idk what's true though.
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-16 18:13:12
April 16 2017 18:12 GMT
#15605
It's over 97% counted with Yes still in the lead. I think it's over. Istanbul and all the areas which get western tourism voted No.

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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-16 18:22:43
April 16 2017 18:21 GMT
#15606
On April 16 2017 19:57 Artisreal wrote:
Idolizing the so called motherland is pretty common. Especially if a person is uprooted and doesn't really feel like s/he belongs where s/he's at right now. That much should be clear if you pay attention to your classmates in school.

and you add to that a common inferiority complex
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
April 16 2017 18:36 GMT
#15607
The yes area cuts surprisingly deep into Kurdistan.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
April 16 2017 19:10 GMT
#15608


This whole thing is a mess.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
April 16 2017 19:24 GMT
#15609
seems to be going well



"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10921 Posts
April 16 2017 19:28 GMT
#15610
And all this was clear months ago.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 16 2017 20:00 GMT
#15611
The people have spoken - they want Erdogan to have power, unlimited power. And he has heard their mandate and intends to deliver.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6290 Posts
April 16 2017 20:16 GMT
#15612
'The people have spoken'. As if... There's no free press, no coverage for anything anti erdogan etc. This has nothing to do with democracy and hasn't for a while now.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5837 Posts
April 16 2017 20:36 GMT
#15613
On April 17 2017 05:16 RvB wrote:
'The people have spoken'. As if... There's no free press, no coverage for anything anti erdogan etc. This has nothing to do with democracy and hasn't for a while now.


Not to mention the fact that the outcome was just barely in favor of "yes", and it might've been rigged to some degree.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8135 Posts
April 16 2017 21:24 GMT
#15614
Good bye to thr last remnant of turkish democracy then. Geez, lucky we didn't accept the country in the EU
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9319 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-16 21:35:30
April 16 2017 21:35 GMT
#15615
It's highly unlikely but it would be very interesting if Turkish military tried to overthrow Erdogan again, this time for real. Do we even know who was behind the first coup?
You're now breathing manually
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10921 Posts
April 16 2017 21:35 GMT
#15616
Ever considering it was ridiculous, it was not gonna happen and the resulting situation was bad for all parties.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
April 16 2017 21:54 GMT
#15617
A week before France's presidential election, the four top candidates began a final push Sunday to woo undecided voters who will determine the outcome of a tight race between the hard left, centre, right and far right.

On April 23, the French will vote in the first round of the country's most unpredictable election in decades. Two of the 11 candidates will go through to a decisive run-off on May 7.

The election is being closely watched in Brussels and around the world, with a duel between far-right leader Marine Le Pen and surging leftist radical Jean-Luc Melenchon, both eurosceptics, one of the possible outcomes.

Opinion polls show record numbers of voters -- one in three -- still undecided about who to back after a campaign that has been big on scandals but short on policy debate.

An ebullient Melenchon, leader of La France Insoumise (Unbowed France), drew tens of thousands of supporters at an open-air rally in Toulouse where he bashed his rivals, US President Donald Trump and the European Union.

Condemning Trump's recent airstrikes against Syria's regime the 65-year-old said "no people can accept that there is a world sheriff who decides alone who is murdered."

In a barnstorming speech stressing freedom and international solidarity, he defended his close ties to Venezuela and Cuba, saying his rivals kept worse company.

- 'Tea with Putin' -

"Do I have to answer to Marine Le Pen about my anti-Western friendships when she takes tea with (Russian President Vladimir) Putin?" he asked.

He stirred particular passions when he rapped scandal-hit conservative Francois Fillon and EU "austerity treaties" -- triggering chants of "Degagez" (Get lost), the rallying cry of the Arab Spring of revolts.

During a visit to a World War I battlefield, outgoing Socialist President Francois Hollande appealed to the candidates not to "scapegoat Europe", saying it had "protected us against war".

Melenchon's spurt has shaken up the race, with many hesitating between voting with their hearts and a tactical vote for whichever candidate is given the best chance of barring him or Le Pen -- both of whom are threatening to quit the euro.

Yahoo News

Will the real Jean-Luc Mélenchon stand up? On Tuesday, Mélenchon, the rising star of the French presidential election, will appear in the eastern city of Dijon. Simultaneously a 3D hologram of the veteran hard-left politician will be beamed to six other French cities. He may not literally be there, but just days from France’s heavily contested leadership vote “JLM” will be attempting to show that his programme has more substance than his ethereal appearance might suggest.

In an election where historic and “never before” moments have become commonplace, the spectacular rise of Mélenchon has crossed a new line. Pollsters agree he is now a serious challenger to Les Républicains candidate François Fillon, who is in third position. Whether he can go further is anyone’s guess.

The favourites to make the second-round runoff on 7 May remain far-right Front National candidate Marine Le Pen and the independent centrist Emmanuel Macron. But with up to one-third of France’s 47 million voters undecided, and another 30% so disillusioned with French politics that they say they will abstain, the field is still wide open.

Two months ago any suggestion that Mélenchon, head of La France Insoumise (Unbowed France), could be a serious contender for the Elysée would have been thought laughable. Now it is no joke. Mélenchon’s popularity is running level with the beleaguered, scandal-hit Fillon in some polls, higher in others.

Le Monde says France is in the unusual situation of having four presidential candidates, any one of whom could win. Like Le Pen, Mélenchon is appealing to young voters with his hologram meetings, his upbeat election messages and his entertainingly forthright approach to televised debates.

Les Echos, France’s financial newspaper, described Mélenchon as “the new French risk”. Mélenchon would dramatically raise public spending, partly through taxing salaries above €400,000 (£339,000) at 90%. He wants to renegotiate EU treaties and quit Nato, the World Trade Organisation, the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank, all of which are viewed by La France Insoumise as instruments of a failing globalised capitalism.


The Guardian
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FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-16 22:51:35
April 16 2017 22:46 GMT
#15618
Here the Turks voted pretty much as they did in Turkey (assuming the official results from Turkey are fair and correct): 52% yes and 48% no. I find it interesting that Turks in EU overwhelmingly voted yes, perhaps the 2 "incidents" in Germany and Netherlands swayed them, or perhaps failing to integrate in western society and feeling disconnect is the main reason, or maybe both. In any case, I did expect something like this and Im not sure what to make of it just yet. Erdogan seems to be aggressively positioning over some key issues like Visas and death penalty, with the refugees as his main bargaining chip. If he decides to open the flood gates, I think Turkey is going to suffer first because they will have to travel by land, no way all 3 million of them can take boats/ships to Greece or Italy, in which case Bulgaria will close the borders, and Greece will probably be the one to suffer the most, perhaps even my country. We'll see though, Im still not convinced Erdogan will do something like that, but I wouldn't exclude the option either.

This was just posted on one of our news sites here, not sure how valid this is.

Smile, tomorrow will be worse
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10921 Posts
April 17 2017 01:47 GMT
#15619
The turks all over many EU countries voting for Erdogan was allready well documented and you can track it back to how they were brought in.

Countries that sought cheap workes ---> Erdogan!!!
Countries that took Kurs/Minorities/Whateverreaseon --> Well, more split with more NO.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-17 02:12:27
April 17 2017 01:52 GMT
#15620
Also notably less campaigning effort in countries like the UK which might be a secondary reason because of the different demographics , but the kind of effort they've been pumping into pro-AKP campaigns here has always been pretty crazy.

Also Turks in the US and the UK make up less than < 0.2% and < 1% of the population respectively, I don't know how dispersed they are but with those small numbers there's usually little autonomy and connection to the country of origin.
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