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xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
April 17 2017 08:23 GMT
#15621
we have some net/nr. based statistics here + Show Spoiler +
native, http://www.digi24.ro/stiri/externe/mapamond/referendum-cum-au-votat-turcii-din-romania-707718
: 824 voted yes and 1022 voted no of 6.351 turks eligible and registered for voting.
overall, the turkish minority makes up ~0,2% of total pop; about 33k people.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
April 17 2017 10:36 GMT
#15622
I don't know what this is all about. Turkey never had democracy. The 'no' outcome from this was never an option, it was never close and votes would always be rigged and there is not much anyone could do about it. "If voting changed anything we wouldn't be allowed to vote"

Only thing i know is things can't really get worse than what it was in 1980 when people rolled my grandpas car to take cover from drivebys so thats always good.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
April 17 2017 14:06 GMT
#15623
OCSE not happy with the referendum.

In general, the referendum did not live up to Council of Europe standards. The legal framework was inadequate for the holding of a genuinely democratic process


We observed the misuse of state resources, as well as the obstruction of 'no' campaign events. The campaign rhetoric was tarnished by some senior officials equating 'no' supporters with terrorist sympathizers


http://www.dw.com/en/osce-turkey-referendum-contested-on-an-unlevel-playing-field/a-38453816
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-18 09:03:53
April 18 2017 09:03 GMT
#15624
Usual leftist stuff against Le Pen. At the Zenith, these animals threw MOLOTOVS at Gollard.
Dating thread on TL LUL
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8185 Posts
April 18 2017 11:00 GMT
#15625
On April 18 2017 18:03 SoSexy wrote:
Usual leftist stuff against Le Pen. At the Zenith, these animals threw MOLOTOVS at Gollard.

It's not only "leftists" who object Le Pen but everyone with an atom of decency, from the far left to the right.

Who is Gollard and what are you talking about by the way? Are you talking about Sputnik, Russia Today and fdesouche (our Breitbart with a but less of intellectual integrity) claiming that Gilbert Collard was thrown cocktail Molotovs without any proof, any police official backing their claim? Cause they are the only three medias that relayed the "information".

Before treating people of "animals", check your fucking sources.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-18 11:14:43
April 18 2017 11:10 GMT
#15626
The news is reported on every italian newspaper and press agency. I misspelled the name, sorry for that.

For the rest, you are right - they're terrorist animals.

http://www.quotidiano.net/esteri/marine-le-pen-1.3046249

http://www.corriere.it/esteri/17_aprile_17/francia-scontri-fuori-comizio-marine-le-pen-e0e99296-23a0-11e7-9fca-ec0025fa502c.shtml

http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2017/04/17/news/parigi_scontri_fuori_da_comizio_le_pen_aggredito_deputato-163236191/

http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2017/04/17/vise-par-un-cocktail-molotov-le-depute-fn-gilbert-collard-denon_a_22043350/

Enough?
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-18 11:23:52
April 18 2017 11:18 GMT
#15627
So what's the deal with May wanting to vote in June already? Does she think she can get more power based on the assumption that every Brexiteer has to vote for her, or what is her plan behind this?
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6320 Posts
April 18 2017 11:35 GMT
#15628
Conservatives are polling very well with Corbyn being such a weak candidate. They're the only serious party at the moment. She probably just wants to increase her majority to decrease the risk of rebel conservatives voting against her. There's a UK thread though so it's better to ask your question there.
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
April 18 2017 11:35 GMT
#15629
On April 18 2017 20:18 Big J wrote:
So what's the deal with May wanting to vote in June already? Does she think she can get more power based on the assumption that every Brexiteer has to vote for her, or what is her plan behind this?

At current polling levels she wipes out the opposition and gets +100 seats.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11990 Posts
April 18 2017 11:36 GMT
#15630
Take a look in the british politics thread:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/419575-uk-politics-mega-thread?page=315

Apparently she is expected to win a lot of seats for her party this way because the opposition is splintered and the UK has a shitty FPTP system.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
April 18 2017 11:41 GMT
#15631
Ok, that's kind of what I thought, thanks.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8185 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-18 12:31:59
April 18 2017 11:46 GMT
#15632
On April 18 2017 20:10 SoSexy wrote:
The news is reported on every italian newspaper and press agency. I misspelled the name, sorry for that.

For the rest, you are right - they're terrorist animals.

http://www.quotidiano.net/esteri/marine-le-pen-1.3046249

http://www.corriere.it/esteri/17_aprile_17/francia-scontri-fuori-comizio-marine-le-pen-e0e99296-23a0-11e7-9fca-ec0025fa502c.shtml

http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2017/04/17/news/parigi_scontri_fuori_da_comizio_le_pen_aggredito_deputato-163236191/

http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2017/04/17/vise-par-un-cocktail-molotov-le-depute-fn-gilbert-collard-denon_a_22043350/

Enough?

There is virtually no left wing terrorism in France, so calm down. We haven't had a left terrorist attack of any significance for decades.

It does look like an antifa idiot did throw a Molotov even though I wait for the police to confirm and they haven't. Didn't make any damage.

Now if you want to insult half the country based on fantasies, feel free. Antifas are not the left, and they are not even terrorists.

A few years ago a far right idiot called Maxime Brunerie "tried" to assassinate Chirac with a hunting rifle, a much more serious case. I guess that makes all FN sympathizers terrorist animals, right? In fact even judges decided he was just a moron and not big of a threat and gave him a very light sentence.

Fact is, there is virtually no far right terrorism in France either, and just like this Molotov, it was one of those rare, isolated cases.

So tone the fuck down.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
April 18 2017 12:14 GMT
#15633
But making sweeping and diffamatory statements against political opponents is so sexy these days.
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8185 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-18 12:35:44
April 18 2017 12:34 GMT
#15634
On April 18 2017 21:14 Artisreal wrote:
But making sweeping and diffamatory statements against political opponents is so sexy these days.

Seems that the old trick of calling your opponents terrorists still does wonders. Erdogan employed it during his whole recent campaign. Just wait for an idiot to break the front window of a shop and TADAAAA, everyone who disagrees with you is an ennemy of the state (and an animal).
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9331 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-18 12:56:17
April 18 2017 12:50 GMT
#15635
Calling militant activists from both ends animals is kind of understandable. Is there a word in English that describes a radically leftist person? I hate it when someone talks about the leftists and I can't tell if he's talking about everyone with left wing views or just about antifa and violent blm supporters.
You're now breathing manually
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5865 Posts
April 18 2017 12:58 GMT
#15636
A question for French people (although other people can comment on how their media reported on that), related to fake news.

Last year there was a major anti-PiS protest in Poland (Warsaw), allegedly attended by over 240k people (as claimed by deputy mayor of Warsaw). This later on turned out to be a blatant lie. According to the police, the demonstration numbered roughly 45k (as reported by TVN, a mainstream TV network sympathizing with the opposition); according to TVP (public TV network, favoring PiS) roughly the same number of people attended the march. Gazeta.pl (news website associated with Gazeta Wyborcza, one of the most popular dailies in Poland, siding with PO, Nowoczesna and KOD) counted the people attending almost one by one and arrived at a number in the 55-65k range.

+ Show Spoiler +
My own estimates, based on the footage provided by Gazeta.pl are between 45k and 65k. You can watch the video (with a time stamp) yourself:

http://pikio.pl/najlepsze-nagranie-video/


I know that mainstream media in France usually reported the 240k number:

http://www.france24.com/fr/20160507-pologne-manifestation-record-varsovie-preserver-place-europe
http://www.liberation.fr/planete/2016/05/07/a-varsovie-une-manifestation-record-contre-le-gouvernement-polonais_1451144
http://www.lemonde.fr/europe/article/2016/05/07/en-pologne-manifestation-monstre-en-faveur-de-l-europe_4915408_3214.html

Did they ever bother to rectify this false information?
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10953 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-18 12:58:58
April 18 2017 12:58 GMT
#15637
No, ist not. Its dehumanising, thats basically what Hitler did before starting the Holocaust. Its basically how the rulebook for "how to start a genocide/cleansing" starts.

I doubt SoSexy wants or meant that but seeing/generalising your opposition into (worthless) animals is a really bad sign.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3207 Posts
April 18 2017 13:03 GMT
#15638
On April 18 2017 21:34 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2017 21:14 Artisreal wrote:
But making sweeping and diffamatory statements against political opponents is so sexy these days.

Seems that the old trick of calling your opponents terrorists still does wonders. Erdogan employed it during his whole recent campaign. Just wait for an idiot to break the front window of a shop and TADAAAA, everyone who disagrees with you is an ennemy of the state (and an animal).


80 years ago it took a fire in the Reichstag for the fascists to come to power, nowadays people are so poor they'll settle for a molotov.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
April 18 2017 13:07 GMT
#15639
Some folks think that referring to other humans as vermin is not a problem. Given the fact that this tactic of dehumanization has been utilized by some of the worst people in history, I think that attitude needs revisiting.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3207 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-18 13:14:07
April 18 2017 13:13 GMT
#15640
I think the problem is this fundamental perception that the FN and others are not 'really' fascists, that this time it's really different. I mean, for fuck's sake, you think Hitler was campaigning on a platform of gassing all the Jews in 1930? No, obviously not, he was using his chosen scapegoat as a means to portray himself as a lone savior for Germany's social woes.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
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