EPTthere is something i don't understand, did i get baited into the juppé mania ?
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Makro
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there is something i don't understand, did i get baited into the juppé mania ? | ||
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WhiteDog
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On November 21 2016 05:39 Makro wrote: just how fillon did to have 42,8% ? even lemaire and poisson are more legit than this guy there is something i don't understand, did i get baited into the juppé mania ? You got baited into the everything but Marine mania. | ||
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Makro
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On November 21 2016 05:41 WhiteDog wrote: You got baited into the everything but Marine mania. this one goes for years, i'm used to it now | ||
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TheDwf
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On November 21 2016 05:39 Makro wrote: just how fillon did to have 42,8% ? even lemaire and poisson are more legit than this guy there is something i don't understand, did i get baited into the juppé mania ? Medias oversold Juppé vs Sarkozy, but Sarkozy is obviously the guy who lost and didn't do enough during his mandate (from a right-winger point of view); Juppé is seen as too moderate (lol) for some reason; so Fillon, the most hardcore, is seen as the legitimate recourse. It's fairly logical if you think from a right perspective; you punish the loser and you run away from the favourite medias overhyped. | ||
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stilt
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On November 21 2016 05:35 Nyxisto wrote: If that's true I think it's another indication that moderate politicians should not try to pursue populists in their rhetoric. It didn't work well for Cameron and it doesn't seem to work in France. Ahah, the only guy who has presented himself as moderate is Juppé and this result is a total disaster. He has a fair advance in the sondage since months, the support of the press and was moderate in every fields and still, he gets totally crushed by the "third man of the campaign". Fillon managed to distinguish himself by his rhetoric toward Islam, Bachar and Putin. With these axes, he manages to show that he was "anti elite" even if that is a joke. The fact a large portion of people have a total hate for the intellectual bubble shows clearly the inverse of what you said, you just have to be disliked by those clowns to have more votes. Making like you are for the statu quo is an ineffective strategy, ppl want sth else than this shitty world. | ||
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WhiteDog
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TheDwf
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Yoav
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On November 20 2016 22:44 xM(Z wrote: i don't know what your point is(what would "happen anyway"?+ Show Spoiler + i'll argue that if confined, the sides will alternate but not unify until a very long time passes, time in which they'll all be miserable(history based assumption) from where i'm sitting your point looks like this: if one speaks english then he must be american or british. EX: you take a polish dude+ Show Spoiler + sorry, but it happened to be about poles i give no value to nurture, subscribe to the principle of least resistance/of least effort and believe that mathematical and theoretical biology will give an answer to ... well, let's call them peoples deterministic inclinations. If you raise a Polish child in America he's an American. I mean, there are countries with more ethnic identities than the States, but that's how it works here. It's the whole point. And you do get that on a genetic level even the argument re: Europe is full of holes. Your tripartite division is based on late 19th early 20th C racist theories, not anything to do with history or reality. | ||
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Makro
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TheDwf
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On November 21 2016 05:58 Makro wrote: so the second biggest atlantist is gonna become president, he's gonna sell the rest of that french cheap gold ?? Fillon will win the second round. | ||
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Makro
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yea that's what i said | ||
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stilt
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On November 21 2016 05:54 WhiteDog wrote: More seriously, Fillon has huge support from "La manif pour tous" because he is a hard christian and whatnot. Well, he has change his mind on the mariage pour tous, I could underestimate the christian vote tho. Anyway, I don't see Fillon winning vs Lepen, he is too close of her rhetoric and this seems to be her domain. | ||
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Nyxisto
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On November 21 2016 05:50 stilt wrote: Ahah, the only guy who has presented himself as moderate is Juppé and this result is a total disaster. He has a fair advance in the sondage since months, the support of the press and was moderate in every fields and still, he gets totally crushed by the "third man of the campaign". Fillon managed to distinguish himself by his rhetoric toward Islam, Bachar and Putin. With these axes, he manages to show that he was "anti elite" even if that is a joke. The fact a large portion of people have a total hate for the intellectual bubble shows clearly the inverse of what you said, you just have to be disliked by those clowns to have more votes. Making like you are for the statu quo is an ineffective strategy, ppl want sth else than this shitty world. Fillon seems like a hardline conservative, not a populist. Sarkozy seemed to be the person who went after FN votes the hardest and he clearly tanked completely. | ||
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TheDwf
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OK, never mind. This also means that we'll get a thatcherian purge, I wonder if he'll manage to beat his own record regarding the amount of protestors in the streets. After all, there's clearly a pattern: 2003, 2010, 2017... | ||
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Makro
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stilt
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On November 21 2016 06:03 Nyxisto wrote: Fillon seems like a hardline conservative, not a populist. Sarkozy seemed to be the person who went after FN votes the hardest and he clearly tanked completely. Not lately, Fillon has claimes that a reconciliation with Russia was necessary, that Bachar must stay in power, that the elite was deconnected, i have no idea what he said about Islam topics but I guess it was mot radical than others as he is presented as more radicals in every subjects. And finaly, his economic program is the roughest. So rough that seems impossible to do, dereasonnable, "populist" even if I hate the word. Anyway, Sarko is done, I am not even happy. Oh, he claims he supports Fillon, with his 20%, Juppe is probably done, ok, I sincerely see Lepen winning the cake. | ||
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corumjhaelen
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TheDwf
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WhiteDog
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TheDwf
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On November 21 2016 06:02 stilt wrote: Well, he has change his mind on the mariage pour tous, I could underestimate the christian vote tho. Anyway, I don't see Fillon winning vs Lepen, he is too close of her rhetoric and this seems to be her domain. Le Pen can't win vs Fillon or Juppé, she has no voters left to gather past the first round... | ||
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