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On March 05 2016 22:44 oneofthem wrote: young people going to thailand to enjoy the hot...you get the point The hot saunas obviously. I'd also like to see a source for the claim that people are being shot in Sweden on a weekly basis
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More clickbait in spoiler + Show Spoiler +http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03/05/pope-calls-migrant-crisis-arab-invasion-says-europe-must-rediscover-its-cultural-roots/
Crusade Soon! Deus Vult!
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I love how they completely change the tone of the speech by leaving half of it out lol, fucking Breitbart
http://www.dw.com/en/pope-we-can-speak-of-an-arab-invasion-of-europe/a-19095285
Pope Francis said Europe must not neglect its historical roots of cultural exchange in reference to the wave of migration from the Middle East to the EU, in comments published on Friday by the Vatican's official daily Italian-language newspaper "L'Ossevatore Romano." "If Europe wants to rejuvenate itself, it must rediscover its cultural roots … But forgetting its own history, Europe weakens itself. And that's when it risks becoming an empty place," the pope told Jean-Pierre Denis, editor-in-chief of the French magazine "La Vie." "Today, we can speak of an Arab invasion. It is a social fact," the pope said in response to a question on why he believes Europe risks becoming an "empty place." He immediately added that anyone looking for a "'great change' - those dearest to the far-right - will remain disappointed." "How many invasions has Europe experienced in the course of its history? It has always been able to overcome them; moving forward and finding itself better through the exchange between cultures," the pope said, in an apparent reference to Europe's Renaissance, which was partially fostered through the preservation of Greek philosophical works by Muslim scholars in Spain and elsewhere in the Arab world. EU member states have struggled to form a comprehensive strategy to handle an influx of asylum seekers and migrants - many from war-torn countries in the Middle East, Asia and Africa - that saw more than 1 million people arriving in the 28-nation bloc in 2015. Ex-Soviet satellite states, including Hungary, Poland and Slovakia, have told Brussels that they refuse to take in more asylum seekers under an EU plan to relocate refugees according to a quota system. "Sometimes I wonder where you'll find a [French Foreign Minister Robert] Schumann or [German Chancellor Konrad] Adenauer, these great founders of the European Union," the pope said. Countering populism, extremism The pope responded to the rise of far-right populism in Europe, which has given way to such movements as Germany's "anti-Islamization" PEGIDA as well as anti-immigrant political parties, by stating that ideologies are the "poison of politics." "When a country closes itself to a healthy notion of politics, it ends up being a prisoner hostage to ideological colonization. Ideologies are the poison of politics. You have the right be right or left. But ideology takes away freedom. "If you want to avoid everyone turning towards extremes, you must nurture friendship and the pursuit of the common good, beyond political affiliations." Francis also announced that the Vatican is preparing a meeting with officials from al-Azhar University in Cairo, known as the Muslim world's most prominent institution of Sunni thought.
Also the pope was speaking French. Isn't "grandes invasions" not just a way to translate "emigration of nations"? The German phrase would be "Völkerwanderung" which isn't a negative term.
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Clever pope managed to keep both sides happy, everyone can find something that fits their views in that speech.
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On March 06 2016 01:45 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 22:44 oneofthem wrote: young people going to thailand to enjoy the hot...you get the point The hot saunas obviously. I'd also like to see a source for the claim that people are being shot in Sweden on a weekly basis
http://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vast/extrem-situation-jamfort-med-grannlanderna
Swedens 3 largest cities have 5 times as many injured/killed in shootings as Copenhagen and Oslo together.
http://www.sydsvenskan.se/sverige/nedgang-i-antalet-skottskadade-2014/
Over a 100 wounded in shootings 2015, largest number ever.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article17729893.ab 217 shootings in 2013 (obviously they didn't all hit people but I consider unloading a magazine through a window pretty bad too). I saw an article from 2014 saying there was 247 shootings that year but I can't find it out.
Oddly enough I can't find a source for actual shootings from 2015 only number of wounded. And that was pretty hard. Nowadays media is pushing "killed" by gunfire as their primary statistic because it's a more manageable number.
http://www.sydsvenskan.se/malmo/malmo-varst-drabbat-av-sprangningar-i-hela-skandinavien/
Malmö worst city in Scandinavia when it comes to explosions. 25 explosions in 2014 (either explosives or handgrenades used by criminals) and 18 up to juli (when the article was written) in 2015. I think the final tally at the end of 2015 was 30+. Btw the city only has 280 thousand people in it...
I don't have any numbers for 2016 but judging from articles in my local newspaper I'll eat my hat if there isn't at least 1 criminal shooting a week in Malmö and at least 1 wounded or killed criminal a week in Sweden total by gunfire.
Oh and my claim about people moving out wasn't due to that article it was from a Swedish article based on the same data. A shitload of people move back and forth from Spain/Thailand and Sweden and that number doesn't matter, the worrisome part is professionals moving to other countries to work.
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there's no point in linking/showing statistics/stats when everyone knows they are politically corrected.
Edit: http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-584_de.htm EU announces first projects under the Facility for Refugees in Turkey: €95 million to be provided for immediate educational and humanitarian assistance
Brussels, 4 March 2016
Today the European Commission announced the first projects under the Facility for Refugees in Turkey, pledging €55 million to address the immediate needs of Syrian school-children in Turkey for access to formal education, and €40 million in humanitarian aid through the World Food Programme.
Today the European Commission announced the first projects under the Facility for Refugees in Turkey, pledging €55 million to address the immediate needs of Syrian school-children in Turkey for access to formal education, and €40 million in humanitarian aid through the World Food Programme (WFP) working in close cooperation with the Turkish Red Crescent.
Johannes Hahn, Commissioner for European Neighborhood Policy and Enlargement Negotiations announced the funding while visiting refugee camps in south-east Turkey in the provinces of Gaziantep and Kahramanmaraş, where he also met with political representatives and visited an EU-funded school in Kahramanmaraş.
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European finance ministers will once again deliberate over how to treat Greece’s ongoing debt crisis this week despite the country desperately grappling with refugees pouring across its borders.
A meeting on Monday of finance ministers from the eurozone will determine whether creditors are to be given the green light to complete a long-delayed review of Greek economic recovery plans.
The review has been held up by disagreement among lenders over how much more Athens needs to cut from public spending. It is seen as key to reviving Greece’s banking sector and restoring business and consumer confidence.
“I think the situation right now is more dangerous than it was last summer,” the former finance minister Gikas Hardouvelis told the Guardian.
“Then it was a question of the political will of a few people,” he said, referring to the tumultuous negotiations that paved the way to Athens receiving a third bailout in August. “Now it’s a question of implementing reforms and working hard and if a government doesn’t believe in them and implements them begrudgingly, progress becomes very difficult.”
Monday’s meeting comes at an especially sensitive time. Greek unemployment remains the highest in Europe at almost 25% – and just under 50% among the young. Many companies are relocating to Bulgaria, Albania, Romania and Cyprus as a result of over-taxation.
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A new era of mass migration, an incipient schism between the west and the east, the decadence of the political elite, the crumbling of our common self-image. I feel like I've read this story somewhere before...
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it's actually the refusal to integrate vibrant migrants that doomed rome. blame the comfortable 'first worlders'
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Today i read an article about a swedish guy (27) working in Malta now and he claimed that Sweden is too dangerous and he is not going back. I was a little surprised as I thought Sweden has pretty good living conditions. This situation really worries me as more and more people starting to realize this whole helping refugees was taken from the wrong end. The worst part is that most people are afraid to talk about it as they will be labeled racist, xenophobic or similar sticker. Political correctness is the worst thing that will lead Europe into a huge trouble.
Just from my experience - we have about (or less than) 1% of gipsies in our country. They have been here for a long time and most of them are still problematic to deal with. Most of them live on social welfare, have many kids to get more money from the state and just cause trouble overall. All the people i know either dislike them or hate them, nobody ever told me they like them or are fine with them. This is because our experience, not because they have a slightly darker skin color.
Now consider people from muslim countries are way further from our mentality and values. I am sure there will be more trouble with them than with this 1% of gipsies we have now.
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Mind linking the article? While Malmö has taken a turn for the worse it is highly hyperbolic to call it (or Sweden in general) dangerous. That said, it is time Sweden wakes up and smell reality instead of acting like there are no problems with their integration effort.
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On March 08 2016 00:18 Ghostcom wrote: Mind linking the article? While Malmö has taken a turn for the worse it is highly hyperbolic to call it (or Sweden in general) dangerous. That said, it is time Sweden wakes up and smell reality instead of acting like there are no problems with their integration effort.
The artice is on czech news site (it's one of the most mainstream internet news sites), but it is in czech. It just got me thinking that most people feel this will cause huge problems, but as long as you don't have to deal with them directly, you just don't talk about it. The problem is when it will hit you, it will be too late to do anything about it. + Show Spoiler +
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Can we please stop posting entertainment pieces instead of news? If you are addicted to yellow press entertainment by all means read it but don't pollute this forum further.
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On March 08 2016 04:37 zatic wrote: Can we please stop posting entertainment pieces instead of news? If you are addicted to yellow press entertainment by all means read it but don't pollute this forum further.
It is not pollution, it is a conversation starter, people check the yellow articles and then go find the real numbers and full speeches.
Ofc, real news would be better. Or maybe not, who knows.
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On March 09 2016 02:43 TMG26 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 04:37 zatic wrote: Can we please stop posting entertainment pieces instead of news? If you are addicted to yellow press entertainment by all means read it but don't pollute this forum further. It is not pollution, it is a conversation starter, people check the yellow articles and then go find the real numbers and full speeches. Ofc, real news would be better. Or maybe not, who knows. Real news?! What real news? The news that hides all the real info and only writes politically correct garbage?
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So Draghi just lowered interest rates and increased the QE buying of bonds.We are supposed to believe this is a temporary thing? It will only get crazier from here!
Europe is collapsing economically, socially, culturally.Prepare in these dark times.
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On March 10 2016 23:15 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: So Draghi just lowered interest rates and increased the QE buying of bonds.We are supposed to believe this is a temporary thing? It will only get crazier from here!
Europe is collapsing economically, socially, culturally.Prepare in these dark times. ...is what one'd believe when one only gets his news from tabloid newspapers, which thrive on sensation and half-truths.
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http://www.euractiv.com/section/justice-home-affairs/news/merkel-davutoglu-wheeling-dealing-wrecks-eu-summit/ The EU summit which ended this morning (8 March) failed to reach a deal with Turkey to stem the unprecedented migrant crisis, as many heads of state and government opposed German Chancellor Merkel’s attempt to impose her own deal with Ankara.
Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu will return to another EU summit next week on 17-18 March. A vast majority of the leaders present were reported to be frustrated, even outraged, by an attempt to substitute EU decision-making with a controversial deal brokered by Berlin.
A diplomat from the Visegrad Four group spoke of “the big frustration” of most of the EU heads of state present after Merkel and Prime Minister Mark Rutte of the Netherlands, which holds the current rotating EU Council presidency, substituted the draft agreement crafted by the 28 ambassadors with a deal they agreed on late on 6 March with Davutoğlu. Council President Donald Tusk was reported to be the most frustrated of all.
Indeed, the EU ambassadors had drafted a declaration that was expected to be adopted at the summit on 7 March. European leaders were expected to declare on Monday that they will “close the Balkans route in the coming days,” ending the “wave-through approach” to refugees that has caused chaos and tension in Europe.
But the trilateral pre-summit meeting produced a completely different text, according to which Turkey would readmit all migrants crossing into the Greek islands from its territory. For every Syrian readmitted by Turkey from Greek islands, another Syrian will be resettled from Turkey to the EU member states. This formula, called “one for one”, means that if NATO or another force intercepts a boat with, say, 50 people, among whom 10 are Syrian, all of them will be rescued and sent to Turkey. Then the EU will be obligated to take 10 Syrians (not the same people, though) from Turkey and send them by plane to EU countries.
In exchange, the EU would commit to cover the costs of the readmission process, pay an additional €3 billion for refugees in Turkey living outside the camps, speed up lifting the visa requirement for Turkish nationals by June of this year, open five negotiation chapters in Turkey’s EU accession bid and resettle Syrians from Turkey to EU countries under the “one for one” formula.
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The European Central Bank on Thursday unveiled a large package of measures to stimulate the euro zone economy and boost inflation. Here are the highlights:
INTEREST RATES
- The main refinancing rate, which provides the bulk of liquidity to the banking system, was cut to zero from 0.05 percent.
- The overnight deposit rate, which is paid to banks that keep their money with the ECB, was cut to -0.4 percent from -0.3 percent, meaning banks are paying to deposit.
- The rate for the marginal lending facility, which offers overnight credit to banks, was cut to 0.25 percent from 0.3 percent.
ASSET PURCHASES (QUANTITATIVE EASING)
- Monthly asset purchases were raised to 80 billion euros from 60 billion euros.
- Investment grade euro-denominated bonds issued by non-bank corporations established in the euro area will be included in the list of assets that are eligible for regular purchases.
LENDING
- There will be a new series of four targeted longer-term refinancing operations (TLTRO II) to be conducted quarterly from June 2016 to March 2017.
- Each will have a maturity of four years, with the possibility of repayment after two years.
- Loans will be offered at the ECB's main refinancing rate, currently zero.
- ECB President Mario Draghi said banks that lend more to companies and households will be given a discount.
- The maximum reduction will bring the loan rate for banks to that on the ECB's deposit facility, currently -0.4 percent. uk.reuters.com
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