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On March 02 2016 22:11 xM(Z wrote:that's a useless statement made from a position of power; like who's going to threaten France and/or take away its freedoms... also, some from EU threaten others from EU while all belonging to the same EU ... i don't even; talk countries, show if, when and why they share <xyz> common values and so on. the thing is when you talk realities, there is no EU(especially on this refugee crisis): Denmark is putting refugees in camps pushing for repatriation not integration and then robs them(not necessarily in that order), France is burning their camps, Austria plans to deport 50.000 refugees offering 500E to those who leave by themselves, Sweden plans to expel 80.000 refugees, Germany is crying inside while making drastic social welfare cuts and drafting new asylum laws but sure, shit on the easterners because why the fuck not?; there be the savages, the uneducated, the racist, the xenophobes, woman haters, gay haters + Show Spoiler + etcetcetcetc.
Denmark ask the refugees to pay for themselves if they have the ability to do so. The same law Denmark just put in place has existed for years in Switzerland (or was it Austria?) and the Netherlands. They are put in tent camps largely because our centers are filled. If you want to complain about others "shitting" on you, at least get your own facts right.
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The European Union, faced with a growing refugee crisis in Greece, launched a new aid program on Wednesday worth an initial 700 million euros that mirrors the kind of disaster relief it offers developing nations.
European states have tightened border controls following the arrival of more than a million migrants by sea last year and the Athens government has appealed for help to house and care for tens of thousands still arriving and now stranded in Greece.
"We are ... really worried," European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said of the build-up of migrants on the now-closed Macedonian border, adding that the new plan had been prompted by fears of "a huge humanitarian crisis in Greece".
The Commission's proposal, if approved, will channel 300 million euros ($325 million) this year from its 155 billion euro annual budget to the new emergency assistance scheme and 200 million euros both next year and in 2018.
Officials stress that the program will not divert funds from the EU's 1.1 billion euro annual budget allocated to helping the world's poorest. Relieving the suffering of refugees closer to their homes is a key part of an EU strategy to deter people from making dangerous journeys to Europe, they say.
More than 400 people have died or gone missing in the Mediterranean this year as they tried to reach Europe, most of them on the short but perilous crossing from Turkey to Greece.
Turkey is at the heart of the EU's efforts to slow the influx of refugees and migrants and the bloc wants Ankara to ensure that daily arrivals fall below 1,000 from 2,000-3,000 at present.
Two officials told Reuters that Germany, the principal destination for those arriving in Europe, is looking for flows to be "in the realm of three digits, not four" per day. Should that happen, Berlin would start taking refugees directly from Turkey for resettlement - an attempt to promote legal migration rather than continuing the chaotic influx of 2015.
The new EU money, to be spent in conjunction with the United Nations and charities working in Greece and other EU states, will help to fund shelter, medical aid and other basic services.
Greece, which now houses about 25,000 migrants, has hitherto received EU funding under other programs to bolster its border and security systems, though Athens has complained that the offers have been inadequate.
"The number of refugees continues to rise, so do their humanitarian needs," Humanitarian Aid Commissioner Christos Stylianides said.
At a single border point, the Idomeni crossing between Greece and Macedonia, between 12,000 and 15,000 stranded people are in need of urgent humanitarian assistance, he said.
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EU officials said the aim was to have the new program operational on the ground "within weeks rather than months".
It will become a permanent feature of the EU budget and is intended for use by any EU state that is "overwhelmed" and cannot cope with a wide range of emergencies, including accidents, militant attacks and epidemics. It will need approval by the European Parliament and member states.
Greece, the migrants' main gateway to Europe, would initially be the main beneficiary of the emergency scheme for "tackling wide-ranging humanitarian crises within the EU".
The money would also be available to other EU countries along the Balkan migration route used by migrants. Macedonia and Serbia, which are on that route, are not in the EU.
Greece, its economy blighted by the euro zone debt crisis, has asked for 480 million euros to help it cope with some 100,000 migrants. EU officials said on Wednesday they were still looking at that request.
More than a million people reached Europe last year and some 133,000 arrived on the continent so far in 2016 in what has grown to be a major crisis for the bloc, that now also risks turning into a humanitarian disaster.
www.reuters.com
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The Soldiers of Odin, self-proclaimed patriots who have patrolled the streets of some cities in Finland saying they want to protect locals from immigrants, have begun appearing in other Nordic and Baltic countries, worrying authorities.
Named after the king of the gods in Norse mythology, the group's members say they want to be the eyes and ears for the police who they say are struggling to fulfill their duties.
With some 250,000 asylum seekers moving into the region as a whole over the last year, the group has triggered fears of a rise in vigilantism.
The Soldiers are now expanding outside Finland, wearing similar black jackets adorned on the back with a Viking, his mouth covered with the relevant country's national flag, and the name of the group written in English.
In Estonia, the group held their first meeting in mid-February, with local media reporting that 60 people attended.
"We don't want refugees to come here," Indrek Olm, who said he was one of the leaders of the group in Estonia, told Reuters later in the month. "We will start going on patrol to make sure they don't do something illegal."
The Baltic country of 1.3 million has almost no asylum seekers or refugees. But the authorities nonetheless do not like the Soldiers of Odin.
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On March 03 2016 01:43 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 22:11 xM(Z wrote:that's a useless statement made from a position of power; like who's going to threaten France and/or take away its freedoms... also, some from EU threaten others from EU while all belonging to the same EU ... i don't even; talk countries, show if, when and why they share <xyz> common values and so on. the thing is when you talk realities, there is no EU(especially on this refugee crisis): Denmark is putting refugees in camps pushing for repatriation not integration and then robs them(not necessarily in that order), France is burning their camps, Austria plans to deport 50.000 refugees offering 500E to those who leave by themselves, Sweden plans to expel 80.000 refugees, Germany is crying inside while making drastic social welfare cuts and drafting new asylum laws but sure, shit on the easterners because why the fuck not?; there be the savages, the uneducated, the racist, the xenophobes, woman haters, gay haters + Show Spoiler + etcetcetcetc. Denmark ask the refugees to pay for themselves if they have the ability to do so. The same law Denmark just put in place has existed for years in Switzerland (or was it Austria?) and the Netherlands. They are put in tent camps largely because our centers are filled. If you want to complain about others "shitting" on you, at least get your own facts right.
it's in that link, under Denmark: The government proposed moving refugees from urban housing to campsoutside cities, an initiative that would "shift the focus of government immigration policy to repatriation rather than integration," according to Reuters. Danish lawmakers recently voted in favour of controversial legislation empowering authorities to seize cash and valuables from asylum seekers to pay for their upkeep. The passing of the "jewellery bill" allows the seizure of valuables worth more than 10,000 Danish kroner (about $1,453). so you get your news outlets to get their shit right.
The Soldiers of Odin, self-proclaimed patriots who have patrolled the streets of some cities in Finland saying they want to protect locals from immigrants, have begun appearing in other Nordic and Baltic countries, worrying authorities. that will totally happen here if there will be a need for it. there's no way people will sit and stare how them women/girls will get assaulted hoping for police to come; torches and pitchforks men.
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whatever religion this xmz guy is under, pretty sure that is a serious threat to europe too
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yes, all hail xM(Z for being teh guru of The Soldiers of Odin ...
you hardly ever make sense, guy.
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Sigh we went over this Denmark cash thing ages ago when it was introduced.
The same rules apply to Danes on welfare. Nothing wrong with it.
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justify it however you want, like this guy: In defence of these new regulations, the Danish Immigration Minister, Inger Stojberg, has claimed that it is “only fair” for refugees to give up their valuable assets in order to contribute financially to the support that they will receive. Comparisons have been drawn with the kontanthjælp system, through which Danish citizens can only claim the highest level of financial support if they own no more than 10,000 kroner’s worth of valuable assets. but never believe it's not fucked up.
they're not danish citizens and you're stealing from them.
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On March 03 2016 05:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +The Soldiers of Odin, self-proclaimed patriots who have patrolled the streets of some cities in Finland saying they want to protect locals from immigrants, have begun appearing in other Nordic and Baltic countries, worrying authorities.
Named after the king of the gods in Norse mythology, the group's members say they want to be the eyes and ears for the police who they say are struggling to fulfill their duties.
With some 250,000 asylum seekers moving into the region as a whole over the last year, the group has triggered fears of a rise in vigilantism.
The Soldiers are now expanding outside Finland, wearing similar black jackets adorned on the back with a Viking, his mouth covered with the relevant country's national flag, and the name of the group written in English.
In Estonia, the group held their first meeting in mid-February, with local media reporting that 60 people attended.
"We don't want refugees to come here," Indrek Olm, who said he was one of the leaders of the group in Estonia, told Reuters later in the month. "We will start going on patrol to make sure they don't do something illegal."
The Baltic country of 1.3 million has almost no asylum seekers or refugees. But the authorities nonetheless do not like the Soldiers of Odin. Source
Quite ironic to take a name from Norse mythology and then fight against people who allegedly come to foreign countries to rape and pillage 
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On March 03 2016 06:45 xM(Z wrote:justify it however you want, like this guy: Show nested quote +In defence of these new regulations, the Danish Immigration Minister, Inger Stojberg, has claimed that it is “only fair” for refugees to give up their valuable assets in order to contribute financially to the support that they will receive. Comparisons have been drawn with the kontanthjælp system, through which Danish citizens can only claim the highest level of financial support if they own no more than 10,000 kroner’s worth of valuable assets. but never believe it's not fucked up. they're not danish citizens and you're stealing from them.
How would you justify it as stealing? What would you call it if no such law existed to extend their laws to refugees? By that logic as the refugees are not Danish citizens, the refugees would otherwise be stealing from the Danes.
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On March 03 2016 06:45 xM(Z wrote:justify it however you want, like this guy: Show nested quote +In defence of these new regulations, the Danish Immigration Minister, Inger Stojberg, has claimed that it is “only fair” for refugees to give up their valuable assets in order to contribute financially to the support that they will receive. Comparisons have been drawn with the kontanthjælp system, through which Danish citizens can only claim the highest level of financial support if they own no more than 10,000 kroner’s worth of valuable assets. but never believe it's not fucked up. they're not danish citizens and you're stealing from them.
Their not Danish citizens and they are feeding, housing and paying them.
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On March 03 2016 07:01 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 06:45 xM(Z wrote:justify it however you want, like this guy: In defence of these new regulations, the Danish Immigration Minister, Inger Stojberg, has claimed that it is “only fair” for refugees to give up their valuable assets in order to contribute financially to the support that they will receive. Comparisons have been drawn with the kontanthjælp system, through which Danish citizens can only claim the highest level of financial support if they own no more than 10,000 kroner’s worth of valuable assets. but never believe it's not fucked up. they're not danish citizens and you're stealing from them. Their not Danish citizens and they are feeding, housing and paying them. but see, you're supposed to do that out of the goodness of your heart ...
@Dangermousecatdog - that argument will go bad really fast but to generalize - "the refugees would not otherwise be stealing from the Danes", they would be given things for free because <see above>.
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So...when I extend your line of reasoning, it's an argument that will go bad really fast. Glad you admit that your own line of reasoning is bad.
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On March 03 2016 06:45 xM(Z wrote:justify it however you want, like this guy: Show nested quote +In defence of these new regulations, the Danish Immigration Minister, Inger Stojberg, has claimed that it is “only fair” for refugees to give up their valuable assets in order to contribute financially to the support that they will receive. Comparisons have been drawn with the kontanthjælp system, through which Danish citizens can only claim the highest level of financial support if they own no more than 10,000 kroner’s worth of valuable assets. but never believe it's not fucked up. they're not danish citizens and you're stealing from them.
Isn't it called "taxes"?
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Just for clarification: Inger Støjberg is a woman... Again, if you are so poorly informed, perhaps refrain from throwing rocks.
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On March 03 2016 07:49 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
So...when I extend your line of reasoning, it's an argument that will go bad really fast. Glad you admit that your own line of reasoning is bad.
that line of reasoning was bad for that current conversation because it would've gone way off from the danish issue.
the argument would've ended up to the beginnings, to the root of the refugee issue and you'd have to answer to questions like why there are refugees and why there are refugees in EU.
i don't do solidarity until i assign blame. the accused then admits he fucked up and after, we talk common solutions.
@cLutZ - does US "taxes" syrian citizens?. does any other country "taxes" refugees?.
- why did Turkey get 3Bill E if they could get "taxes" from the refugees in their camps?.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-moe-fejerskov/foreign-aid-europe-refugee-crisis_b_8869794.html Such practice is not just shady accounting from a few peripheral European governments that are otherwise skeptics of aid. Traditional frontrunners are leading this questionable movement: Denmark will cut more than $600 million from its ODA to make room for domestic refugee expenses in 2016, and these expenses may comprise a third of its development aid budget; Sweden is looking into cutting its development aid budget by 60 percent to do the same; and so is Norway, as it looks to cut some $500 million. And the picture is the same across other countries such as the Netherlands. Adding insult to injury, the same countries that now over-report refugee costs at home are part of an underfinancing of U.N.-managed refugee camps in the regions -- despite many of them publicly acknowledging regional accommodation as the better solution to the refugee crisis. but sure, you can "tax" them too; take their gold fillings while you're at it.
Edit: @Ghostcom - are you sexist bro?, are you sexist?.
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I think you have had you page of trolling now...
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that only makes Denmark look worse for setting the precedent. 
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And again, you lack knowledge on the subject. 
Germany has been doing it for years as well (different amounts in each state).
And by the way the 'precedent' are local unemployed people, they have to use up all their wealth (and sometimes move out of their too big flats) before getting support, just like asylum seekers.
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